30 Million peeps going hungry ?

[tp4tissue]

Stats by Census bureau, they have ~61% respondent rate, of 250 million responses, ~29-30 million replied they didn't have enough to eat up within Mid- July.

Ya'll think this is true ?


https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/demo/hhp/hhp12.html#tables


Tp4 feelz bad for spending all this money on oreos..

[noisyturtle]

Yes I believe it's true, I've been there a few times. No one should have to choose between having a home or having food. It really makes you feel worthless and unloved in the world. It's a terrible feeling.

and people who say "Just get gov aid/stamps/etc" are people who have never been in that situation and don't know how difficult it is getting that help with zero resources. No point of reference.

[Kavik]

My cynical question: how does one define "enough to eat" for fat people (~50% of the population)? They can survive for long periods of time without eating much; it's just uncomfortable. I presume these surveys are based on what people consider "enough to eat" which is probably like 3000 to 5000 kcal/day - too much unless the person is an athlete or has a seriously physically strenuous job.

My empathetic side says I should step back and realize there are segments of the population that are not as visible and may actually be suffering.

I'm not sure which side to go with in this instance.

[fohat.digs]

I'm not sure which side to go with in this instance.

That shouldn't be hard to figure out.


https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/05/06/the-covid-19-crisis-has-already-left-too-many-children-hungry-in-america/

[tp4tissue]

The only way to eat 3000-5000 calories per day is to be @ ~50-60% calories from fat.

Otherwise, the caloric density of any other food makes a figure like that very uncomfortable to put down.

I remember reading a study a while back, where it really IS THE CASE, that the Fluffiest-Americans are not eating a significantly larger volume of food, but they are downing way more FATS, which have the highest caloric density @ 9 calories per gram, and NO fiber..

Try eating more than 2000 calories of rice and cabbage, it's HARD-Mode.

Not proud of this, but RECENTLY due to the Costco Oreos sale, Tp4 has eaten over 2000 calories of oreos in 1 day, And was still hungry at the end of it.

[Kavik]

The only way to eat 3000-5000 calories per day is to be @ ~50-60% calories from fat.

Otherwise, the caloric density of any other food makes a figure like that very uncomfortable to put down.

I remember reading a study a while back, where it really IS THE CASE, that the Fluffiest-Americans are not eating a significantly larger volume of food, but they are downing way more FATS, which have the highest caloric density @ 9 calories per gram, and NO fiber..

Try eating more than 2000 calories of rice and cabbage, it's HARD-Mode.

Not proud of this, but RECENTLY due to the Costco Oreos sale, Tp4 has eaten over 2000 calories of oreos in 1 day, And was still hungry at the end of it.

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I know what you say to be accurate, but remember this is a census level measurement. Most people have poor diets and probably are eating a majority of their calories from fat. Anyone who eats at a restaurant (fast food or otherwise) generally gets ~1500 kcal from that one meal. Big mac + large fries + large coke (no refills) = 1330 kcal.

This is why I question "enough food" (see below).

I'm not sure which side to go with in this instance.

That shouldn't be hard to figure out.


https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/05/06/the-covid-19-crisis-has-already-left-too-many-children-hungry-in-america/

Probably better to err on the side of empathy, but that article still relies on survey responses to the question of "have enough food?". I suppose it is useful for analyzing trends over time assuming people generally answer the same over time and the questions are the same over time, but each person's definition of "enough food" is probably different (and probably changes over time). Does that mean someone can eat at any time throughout the day for any reason (hunger, boredom, stress)? Does it mean the person eats three meals per day, and does that consider the size of the meal (how is size measured? Calories? Subjective satiety? Are vitamins measured?)? Does it simply mean someone is not literally starving (organ damage, stunted growth)?

I guess the survey results are probably sufficient for policy making decisions (i.e. keeping people happy and productive and not revolting). It's not scientific research after all. Also it's not an average: lots of fat people don't preclude lots of malnourished people.

To be clear, I'm not really arguing for or against anything. I'm just thinking through it.

[jamster]

My cynical question: how does one define "enough to eat" for fat people (~50% of the population)? They can survive for long periods of time without eating much; it's just uncomfortable. I presume these surveys are based on what people consider "enough to eat" which is probably like 3000 to 5000 kcal/day - too much unless the person is an athlete or has a seriously physically strenuous job.

My empathetic side says I should step back and realize there are segments of the population that are not as visible and may actually be suffering.

I'm not sure which side to go with in this instance.

If 50% of the population is overweight, that doesn't automatically follow that there are not vast numbers of people who suffer from food insecurity.

[noisyturtle]

My cynical question: how does one define "enough to eat" for fat people (~50% of the population)? They can survive for long periods of time without eating much; it's just uncomfortable. I presume these surveys are based on what people consider "enough to eat" which is probably like 3000 to 5000 kcal/day - too much unless the person is an athlete or has a seriously physically strenuous job.

My empathetic side says I should step back and realize there are segments of the population that are not as visible and may actually be suffering.

I'm not sure which side to go with in this instance.

If 50% of the population is overweight, that doesn't automatically follow that there are not vast numbers of people who suffer from food insecurity.

Exactly. Fat people can be hungry too. In fact it's biased to lack empathy or find amusement in anyone's food situation regardless of weight.

reminds me of the sloth sin from the movie Se7en for some reason

[tp4tissue]

If 50% of the population is overweight, that doesn't automatically follow that there are not vast numbers of people who suffer from food insecurity.

We 'murica pride ourselves on 70% of the population being overweight, 40% obese.

[Kavik]

I guess the survey results are probably sufficient for policy making decisions (i.e. keeping people happy and productive and not revolting). It's not scientific research after all. Also it's not an average: lots of fat people don't preclude lots of malnourished people.

To be clear, I'm not really arguing for or against anything. I'm just thinking through it.

I guess no one read my second post.