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Offline Djirk

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Red VS Brown compared to Black.
« on: Thu, 30 May 2013, 05:36:58 »
Really, really simple question, going to order a Noppoo choc mini tomorrow, still deciding between red and brown.

Currently I have a Steelseries 6GV2 with Black switches, no issues with it, quite a good keyboard actually.

My issue is with the black switches, I've found that they just take too much to press, so here's my question:

I just want less of a resistance in each key press, which switch should I go for, red or brown?

I'm mainly typing and playing mmo's so I don't need fast tapping, I write kind of lightly, that's all.
When I type too quickly I miss a lot double letters because my second press is too light / fast also I do not bottom out on this too much.

Offline Dgsbllx

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Re: Red VS Brown compared to Black.
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 30 May 2013, 05:39:05 »
Red feel the lightest to me, even though brown/red have the same weight spring. Red are linear and brown are tactile however, so if you like the feel of registering a key press then you need to go tactile

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Re: Red VS Brown compared to Black.
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 30 May 2013, 05:39:59 »
Really, really simple question, going to order a Noppoo choc mini tomorrow, still deciding between red and brown.

Currently I have a Steelseries 6GV2 with Black switches, no issues with it, quite a good keyboard actually.

My issue is with the black switches, I've found that they just take too much to press, so here's my question:

I just want less of a resistance in each key press, which switch should I go for, red or brown?

I'm mainly typing and playing mmo's so I don't need fast tapping, I write kind of lightly, that's all.
When I type too quickly I miss a lot double letters because my second press is too light / fast also I do not bottom out on this too much.

haha.. sounds like you need ergo-red switches..  they have 45g springs now.. put that in a red, it'll be around 15-25g around the actuation point, vs 45g on standard 60g springs in the red.

Offline Djirk

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Re: Red VS Brown compared to Black.
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 30 May 2013, 05:44:46 »
Really, really simple question, going to order a Noppoo choc mini tomorrow, still deciding between red and brown.

Currently I have a Steelseries 6GV2 with Black switches, no issues with it, quite a good keyboard actually.

My issue is with the black switches, I've found that they just take too much to press, so here's my question:

I just want less of a resistance in each key press, which switch should I go for, red or brown?

I'm mainly typing and playing mmo's so I don't need fast tapping, I write kind of lightly, that's all.
When I type too quickly I miss a lot double letters because my second press is too light / fast also I do not bottom out on this too much.

haha.. sounds like you need ergo-red switches..  they have 45g springs now.. put that in a red, it'll be around 15-25g around the actuation point, vs 45g on standard 60g springs in the red.
Ugh I know! Reds sound ideal for me if they weren't SO light.
But I think this just confirms I should go for browns since it has that tactile feed that I do like from my black switches right? Just wished it didn't fight my fingers away so much.

Thanks for the feedback so far, I really appreciate help in making my silly choice.

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Re: Red VS Brown compared to Black.
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 30 May 2013, 05:55:43 »
Um blacks don't give tactile feedback.  Red and blacks are the same with different springs.

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Re: Red VS Brown compared to Black.
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 30 May 2013, 06:15:41 »
Really, really simple question, going to order a Noppoo choc mini tomorrow, still deciding between red and brown.

Currently I have a Steelseries 6GV2 with Black switches, no issues with it, quite a good keyboard actually.

My issue is with the black switches, I've found that they just take too much to press, so here's my question:

I just want less of a resistance in each key press, which switch should I go for, red or brown?

I'm mainly typing and playing mmo's so I don't need fast tapping, I write kind of lightly, that's all.
When I type too quickly I miss a lot double letters because my second press is too light / fast also I do not bottom out on this too much.

haha.. sounds like you need ergo-red switches..  they have 45g springs now.. put that in a red, it'll be around 15-25g around the actuation point, vs 45g on standard 60g springs in the red.
Ugh I know! Reds sound ideal for me if they weren't SO light.
But I think this just confirms I should go for browns since it has that tactile feed that I do like from my black switches right? Just wished it didn't fight my fingers away so much.

Thanks for the feedback so far, I really appreciate help in making my silly choice.

browns have a very subtle bump on the stem that if you slowly press down, you'll feel.  Once i get going typing thought i cant really feel it.  Browns feel slightly heavier than reds due to this.



you could go with a 65g or 62g spring in a red to give it that extra push if you feel that they are too light.
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Offline Surnia

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Re: Red VS Brown compared to Black.
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 30 May 2013, 10:27:18 »
Black switches are linear... Granted if you want to be really picky you could say there's a small change in actuation force when the key activates...

Anyway, do realize that reds would be the next step down in force, but they're a lot lighter, and the inherent effect of a weaker spring is that they return slower (they don't feel nearly as snappy when you release). It more sounds like you want a spring swap to something in between reds and blacks.

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Re: Red VS Brown compared to Black.
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 30 May 2013, 11:18:21 »
Reds will be like Blacks, but with less resistance.  You will most likely be bottoming out a lot.  Coming from Browns, I thought I'd like Red, but it was just too light and mushy.  Browns feel more satisfying, and the bump is quite light.  Personal preference, but I like both Black and Brown more than Red. 
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