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Torrenting basics and help
« on: Thu, 12 June 2014, 23:09:17 »
While I could probably google my answer, I don't really know enough vocabulary about torrenting to search this quickly.

Basically, I opened a torrent file and only got part of it, and now I am trying to get the rest of the torrent. However, after opening the torrent file and clicking "OK" on destination file location, nothing shows new shows up in my client, and the old file, which I was seeding, does not change at all.

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 12 June 2014, 23:13:17 »
Maybe the .torrent file is only for part of the download? I don't know.

I just open the torrent in Transmission (on Linux) and wait for the progress bar to hit 100%. Then I leave it open to it seed a little bit and be nice. Then close it and navigate to the download folder and use your new content. Pretty simple. Not sure what's wrong for you...

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 12 June 2014, 23:15:42 »
Maybe the .torrent file is only for part of the download? I don't know.

I just open the torrent in Transmission (on Linux) and wait for the progress bar to hit 100%. Then I leave it open to it seed a little bit and be nice. Then close it and navigate to the download folder and use your new content. Pretty simple. Not sure what's wrong for you...

Ah, no, the torrent file was for all of them. Before okaying the download, I am given the option of just downloading some of the files (the torrent was for 25 episodes of a tv show), and I just chose to download the first episode so I could watch that quickly and then download the rest later. The issue occurred when I tried to download the other 24 episodes. :(

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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 12 June 2014, 23:18:35 »
Ahh I am not a heavy torrenter. Most files I get are just one file or a single zip. Not sure how clients handle multiple files. Sorry.

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 12 June 2014, 23:22:42 »
While I could probably google my answer, I don't really know enough vocabulary about torrenting to search this quickly.

Basically, I opened a torrent file and only got part of it, and now I am trying to get the rest of the torrent. However, after opening the torrent file and clicking "OK" on destination file location, nothing shows new shows up in my client, and the old file, which I was seeding, does not change at all.

I use qbit 3.0.9


I use utorrent (or at least used to), and i think the problem is you're not letting the file(s) load before pressing ok.


You have to see the files show up on the display to the right and make sure they're checked off, before you press ok to download.
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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 13 June 2014, 05:59:36 »
Not sure how it's handled in your client...
But in μTorrent you go to the finished downloads section,
Click the torrent -> In the info tab all parts/files of the torrent are displayed,
You select the not downloaded ones and set them from "skip" -> "normal" (right click -> priority).

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 13 June 2014, 09:07:29 »
While I could probably google my answer, I don't really know enough vocabulary about torrenting to search this quickly.

Basically, I opened a torrent file and only got part of it, and now I am trying to get the rest of the torrent. However, after opening the torrent file and clicking "OK" on destination file location, nothing shows new shows up in my client, and the old file, which I was seeding, does not change at all.

I use qbit 3.0.9

Typically, I'm not familiar with qbit, when you add a torrent that is already loaded in your client nothing really happens.  The client knows that it is already loaded, and in the case of utorrent for example, the only thing it will ask you is if you would like to add the trackers from the new torrent to the existing one.

Couple things you can do.  Go to the loaded torrent in your client, and look at the files list.  Like already mentioned in utorrent for example there are priority options for individual files.  The other thing you can do is remove the existing torrent, keeping the data, then reload the torrent.

Stay off public trackers....fyi.

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 13 June 2014, 14:05:03 »
Does the torrent still show in the client? If so, just need to select that line then on the bottom panel choose files, find episode 2 and set it to priority normal and it should start that episode downloading. Once finished repeat for the next episodes.

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 13 June 2014, 19:06:36 »
Does the torrent still show in the client? If so, just need to select that line then on the bottom panel choose files, find episode 2 and set it to priority normal and it should start that episode downloading. Once finished repeat for the next episodes.
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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 13 June 2014, 19:27:54 »
Does the torrent still show in the client? If so, just need to select that line then on the bottom panel choose files, find episode 2 and set it to priority normal and it should start that episode downloading. Once finished repeat for the next episodes.
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This did it, thanks man!

Stay off public trackers....fyi.

Is it that risky? I use TPB occasionally, and recently started using BakaBT for anime (that's what this torrent was referring to actually, started Sword Art Online yesterday!)

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 13 June 2014, 20:06:51 »
From what I have heard public trackers are fine just less preferable. Private ones are often faster, have more seeders, and have harder to find files.

When I need anime I just use nyaa.se because it was the first one to show up with google :P

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 13 June 2014, 20:16:15 »
I think public ones might be ones that companies tend to check more to get people for copyright infringement and related crimes...? Figured the probability of me being chosen was relatively low with a large public tracker though.

When I need anime I just use nyaa.se because it was the first one to show up with google :P

How is it? I just chose BakaBT because it was the first one that showed up when I searched also :p

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 01:35:05 »
I think public ones might be ones that companies tend to check more to get people for copyright infringement and related crimes...? Figured the probability of me being chosen was relatively low with a large public tracker though.

When I need anime I just use nyaa.se because it was the first one to show up with google :P

How is it? I just chose BakaBT because it was the first one that showed up when I searched also :p

the probability is ZERO..   

the business model has to change..

ultimately communication companies will back the cost of nearly all media production..

You can't beat the hackers as far as pirating information..  but... hackers still operate on your infrastructure...  and for that , they'll have to pay $50 a month like everyone else.


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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 05:07:58 »
Private ones are often faster, have more seeders, and have harder to find files.

Plus no chance of ever getting caught by the pigs  :thumb: .  Also get a reliable VPN address that helps cover you from the most diligent pig studios, situated around the world.

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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 10:04:04 »
Private ones are often faster, have more seeders, and have harder to find files.

Plus no chance of ever getting caught by the pigs  :thumb: .  Also get a reliable VPN address that helps cover you from the most diligent pig studios, situated around the world.

Do you know how VPN's are considered by most universities? Or torrenting in general for that matter...

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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 10:10:27 »
Private ones are often faster, have more seeders, and have harder to find files.

Plus no chance of ever getting caught by the pigs  :thumb: .  Also get a reliable VPN address that helps cover you from the most diligent pig studios, situated around the world.

Do you know how VPN's are considered by most universities? Or torrenting in general for that matter...

universities are often LESS forgiving because the admins are just the campus geeks,  and their main job is to not invite trouble..   and you're not exactly paying the monthly... so they would NEVER stick up for you in the event that they can prove YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG..


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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 11:49:08 »
Don't torrent, use sites likes wbb and pay for an account on ul.to or rg.to and you will be happier than anyone who torrents.

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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 11:54:33 »
Don't torrent, use sites likes wbb and pay for an account on ul.to or rg.to and you will be happier than anyone who torrents.

Why is that?
Also, what is wbb? I googled it and nothing seemingly related to downloading files or torrenting or anything came up.

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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 12:11:49 »
Don't torrent, use sites likes wbb and pay for an account on ul.to or rg.to and you will be happier than anyone who torrents.

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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 12:38:00 »
There are still some copyright troll places that join swarms then log all the IP connected in the swarm. It dosen't matter what trackers or none that you may be using. If you join the swarm they can still get you through dht/pex. Even still it depends mostly on your ISP if they give a **** about it more than forwarding you the complaint notice. Using a VPN does protect you from those jerks since they can't get your real IP. As far as in the US at least it seems like more and more judges are throwing out those requests to get user info based on IP for copyright related lawsuits which is good. The best one was recently where it was determined by the court the copyright troll was actually creating torrents and seeding the content they were lodging copyright violation complaints against! Hopefully they will just give up those tactics all together if it is made clear the courts aren't going along with that crap anymore.

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« Reply #20 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 13:16:15 »
Private ones are often faster, have more seeders, and have harder to find files.

Plus no chance of ever getting caught by the pigs  :thumb: .  Also get a reliable VPN address that helps cover you from the most diligent pig studios, situated around the world.
Thats not true, plenty of people get infringement letters on private trackers as well. There was a big thread on torrent leech with people posting them for example. If you can get into them then so can anyone else that wants to.

There are still some copyright troll places that join swarms then log all the IP connected in the swarm. It dosen't matter what trackers or none that you may be using. If you join the swarm they can still get you through dht/pex. Even still it depends mostly on your ISP if they give a **** about it more than forwarding you the complaint notice. Using a VPN does protect you from those jerks since they can't get your real IP. As far as in the US at least it seems like more and more judges are throwing out those requests to get user info based on IP for copyright related lawsuits which is good. The best one was recently where it was determined by the court the copyright troll was actually creating torrents and seeding the content they were lodging copyright violation complaints against! Hopefully they will just give up those tactics all together if it is made clear the courts aren't going along with that crap anymore.


But pretty much all private trackers do not allow DHT. You should only be able to get on a torrent from a private tracker if you are a member said tracker. But like stated above its not all that hard.
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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 13:58:12 »
True enough, if they are trying to keep the torrent exclusive to them it is often disabled dht/pex. But, a lot of stuff is posted on both private and public where it is not. I was also more using it as an example, as in you start the torrent then delete ALL the trackers which is basically what dht/pex is good for and what it was intended to do. It doesn't even matter as they are making IP logs off their own torrent client more often than bothering trying to get stuff from tracker stats.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 14:01:11 »
True enough, if they are trying to keep the torrent exclusive to them it is often disabled dht/pex. But, a lot of stuff is posted on both private and public where it is not. I was also more using it as an example, as in you start the torrent then delete ALL the trackers which is basically what dht/pex is good for and what it was intended to do. It doesn't even matter as they are making IP logs off their own torrent client more often than bothering trying to get stuff from tracker stats.
I haven't used public trackers in years, forgot how they have 5-10 trackers listed in their torrents. Any decent site doesn't allow that. Either way its still a false sense of security. Your IP is always out there using torrents. I prefer Usenet whenever possible.


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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #23 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 14:23:10 »
True enough, if they are trying to keep the torrent exclusive to them it is often disabled dht/pex. But, a lot of stuff is posted on both private and public where it is not. I was also more using it as an example, as in you start the torrent then delete ALL the trackers which is basically what dht/pex is good for and what it was intended to do. It doesn't even matter as they are making IP logs off their own torrent client more often than bothering trying to get stuff from tracker stats.
I haven't used public trackers in years, forgot how they have 5-10 trackers listed in their torrents. Any decent site doesn't allow that. Either way its still a false sense of security. Your IP is always out there using torrents. I prefer Usenet whenever possible.



usenet isn't any less infiltrated..

darknet is the only thing that is at all anon...

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 14:27:03 »
True enough, if they are trying to keep the torrent exclusive to them it is often disabled dht/pex. But, a lot of stuff is posted on both private and public where it is not. I was also more using it as an example, as in you start the torrent then delete ALL the trackers which is basically what dht/pex is good for and what it was intended to do. It doesn't even matter as they are making IP logs off their own torrent client more often than bothering trying to get stuff from tracker stats.
I haven't used public trackers in years, forgot how they have 5-10 trackers listed in their torrents. Any decent site doesn't allow that. Either way its still a false sense of security. Your IP is always out there using torrents. I prefer Usenet whenever possible.



usenet isn't any less infiltrated..

darknet is the only thing that is at all anon...

But with Usenet the big concern is DMCA takedowns. Its not like some MPAA person can log your IP when you leech something. Sure there is always concern about ISP etc. But you are much more exposed with torrents.

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 20:37:08 »
But pretty much all private trackers do not allow DHT. You should only be able to get on a torrent from a private tracker if you are a member said tracker. But like stated above its not all that hard.

The first thing about using any Utorrent App (still use that little piece of brilliance since version 1.6.1) is too always de-select DHT everywhere within Utorrent.  Also de-selecting UPnP and NAT port mapping as well.

BUT first always have a registered VPN address account because they are not forced to keep any records of your activities whatsoever hence it's worth paying per year for one.  I have been on one account for more than 7 years now, never received or been threatened by any legal scum or law enforcement agencies (PIG firms).

I have always used torrent apps over the years but Utorrent is still my favourite due to excellent file handling characteristics, especially once you've configured it.  All in all I've been using torrents since 2001  :thumb: .

Before that I had used Hotline on my old Macs since 1997, which got me into using these type of apps even during the dial-up modem phase of my life here in the 3rd World.
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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 20:46:14 »
DHT is actually a good feature as it allows you to find additional seeds and peers that are not in the trackers you have on the torrent. Occasionally it can be vital to ever finishing a file if it is not something popular.

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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 20:59:02 »
DHT is actually a good feature as it allows you to find additional seeds and peers that are not in the trackers you have on the torrent. Occasionally it can be vital to ever finishing a file if it is not something popular.

I know if you have to get the file(s) off a Public Tracker which I never use now due to all the extra scrutiny from the 'pigs' everywhere on this planet.  I've been on only 3 private trackers now (very difficult to get into but I persisted and finally won) for the past 6 years and it's been great, no slow downs in downloading/uploading and you can find everything that was ever made, designed and published in the world.

You have to find a private tracker if you want to continue using your bittorrent app and value your own personal freedom which I know has diminished everywhere especially in the US and in my 3rd world nation. 

I grew up with more freedoms than any of you have now, so I knew what it was like before the scummy Governments decided to spy on everyone and threaten anyone who decides to go it alone.  You're either with them and become another bunch of sheep to be herded into their safe zones or your targeted for extra scrutiny.  Now I know why there are lots of splinter groups setting up their own camps in mountains in the US aspiring to defend themselves against what's coming, maybe they're the smart ones.
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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #28 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 21:14:47 »
DHT is actually a good feature as it allows you to find additional seeds and peers that are not in the trackers you have on the torrent. Occasionally it can be vital to ever finishing a file if it is not something popular.

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« Reply #29 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 21:37:44 »
DHT is actually a good feature as it allows you to find additional seeds and peers that are not in the trackers you have on the torrent. Occasionally it can be vital to ever finishing a file if it is not something popular.

I know if you have to get the file(s) off a Public Tracker which I never use now due to all the extra scrutiny from the 'pigs' everywhere on this planet.  I've been on only 3 private trackers now (very difficult to get into but I persisted and finally won) for the past 6 years and it's been great, no slow downs in downloading/uploading and you can find everything that was ever made, designed and published in the world.

You have to find a private tracker if you want to continue using your bittorrent app and value your own personal freedom which I know has diminished everywhere especially in the US and in my 3rd world nation. 

I grew up with more freedoms than any of you have now, so I knew what it was like before the scummy Governments decided to spy on everyone and threaten anyone who decides to go it alone.  You're either with them and become another bunch of sheep to be herded into their safe zones or your targeted for extra scrutiny.  Now I know why there are lots of splinter groups setting up their own camps in mountains in the US aspiring to defend themselves against what's coming, maybe they're the smart ones.

Sounds like we should have an invite thread.

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« Reply #30 on: Sat, 14 June 2014, 23:08:58 »
DHT is actually a good feature as it allows you to find additional seeds and peers that are not in the trackers you have on the torrent. Occasionally it can be vital to ever finishing a file if it is not something popular.

I know if you have to get the file(s) off a Public Tracker which I never use now due to all the extra scrutiny from the 'pigs' everywhere on this planet.  I've been on only 3 private trackers now (very difficult to get into but I persisted and finally won) for the past 6 years and it's been great, no slow downs in downloading/uploading and you can find everything that was ever made, designed and published in the world.

You have to find a private tracker if you want to continue using your bittorrent app and value your own personal freedom which I know has diminished everywhere especially in the US and in my 3rd world nation. 

I grew up with more freedoms than any of you have now, so I knew what it was like before the scummy Governments decided to spy on everyone and threaten anyone who decides to go it alone.  You're either with them and become another bunch of sheep to be herded into their safe zones or your targeted for extra scrutiny.  Now I know why there are lots of splinter groups setting up their own camps in mountains in the US aspiring to defend themselves against what's coming, maybe they're the smart ones.

Sounds like we should have an invite thread.

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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 18 June 2014, 03:46:33 »
Quick question: does torrenting mess with ssd caching?

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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 18 June 2014, 09:00:29 »
It's likely that the active torrent would get put in the ssd cache since it would have high access as that's how ssd cache smart algorithm is supposed to work. Depending on how much ram you have, and how large of files you download you could increase the RAM disk cache in the client set to write only complete blocks if that option is available to help reduce thrashing on the ssd.
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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 18 June 2014, 12:00:32 »
it's a bit more complicated than that. there are two types of ssd caching algorithms.

the first one is the "OS level" kind that intel RST uses, which has visibility of "file" information. however, a file is just a bunch of blocks of data typically called inodes that are linked to each other via little pointers. ideally, these inodes are consecutive on disk, and the OS level ssd caching algorithms attempt to put all the blocks of data of a file in consecutive order. this is easy when the file is written to the storage hierarchy in consecutive order, but a bit harder when the file is written out in interleaved or out of order chunks. at the OS level though, you can see what chunks constitute a single file and reorder them accordingly.

the second one is the "disk level" algorithm that hardware SSD caches use. these can't see file information, because the concept of a "file" only exists at the OS level. what these algorithms try to do instead is write all blocks out to the cache in a log-style (every write happens to the end of a log). this optimizes for SSD wear. Further, it's only a little slower than contiguous placement when reading from an SSD because SSD random access performance is very good. On a spinning disk, this would absolutely kill read performance. to reorder blocks, instead of trying to figure out which blocks belong to a file, the disk level algorithm just tries to reorder blocks on the SSD according to how many contiguous read accesses it sees after writing.

now, consider the pattern of writes generated by a torrent. bittorrent clients typically allocate enough space for the entire file via the OS, and then write blocks of the file in a completely random order. an OS level algorithm can see the file and knows that the blocks belong to the same file but are being written out of order, so it can just fill in the blocks of the file on the SSD as they are written and get contiguous block placement. a "disk level" algorithm has no idea that the torrent process is writing to a single file out of order and writes the blocks in a last-in-first-out order to the SSD. however, if you then read from the file over and over again in order, the disk level algorithm will eventually place everything in order on the ssd to maximize performance.

so in short, the answer is yes, it does screw up certain kinds of ssd caching, but eventually, all methods of ssd caching will converge on the same performance if the file is read in order many times.

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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 18 June 2014, 13:48:13 »
Quick question: does torrenting mess with ssd caching?

ssd caching isn't relevant unless you REALLY REALLY can't afford a 512GB SSD which are only ~$200 these days

Even 1TB, $400 is quite affordable  in you consider that it's highly reusable and durable.. it will likely Outlive your laptop

And you really don't have to worry about obsolescence at this point on SSD, because there are very few applications that you'd run on a laptop that's I/O bound with respect to the Storage.

that.. and the fact that SSDs don't get realistically faster year to year because software doesn't take advantage of high queues.. 

So even if the stats read higher.. it won't do crap for you because our software won't utilize it.



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« Reply #35 on: Wed, 18 June 2014, 14:03:49 »
That's true... I wouldn't bother with it either outside of using an ssd as write cache with either zfs raidz1 or parity storage spaces so you aren't suffering writes of 20MB/s. Otherwise just use the SSD for OS and applications and large HDD for static file storage for media and so on is generally a much better way to go for desktops.

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 18 June 2014, 14:19:40 »
in my experience, ssd caching actually works quite well, depending on the method. i've found the disk level algorithms to be the most effective. i have a hybrid toshiba (i think?) 8gb ssd + 1tb 4800rpm laptop drive that performs way above its weight on my small laptop workloads, and have previously had an LSI setup with 5 drive raid 6 with 512gb of ssd cache in front of it. that was easily the most insanely fast storage setup i've ever used. i've never used RST, but i've heard not so great things about it. caches only perform as well as their caching algorithms, so shrug. if it doesn't work well for you, change the topology. if it works well for you, go for it.

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 19 June 2014, 08:50:54 »
Yeah. Im only using a cache right now because thats what came with my laptop. I'm eventually gonna upgrade my hdd to a ssd. But I've found my current setup 12gb(20gb-8gb intel rapid start partition) cache + 500gbhdd to be surprisingly effective. Even with only 12gb there was noticeable boot time differences and game loading speeds when i turned expresscache on or off. Haven't used a pure ssd setup yet but can't wait till i do.

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 19 June 2014, 12:00:36 »
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I know if you have to get the file(s) off a Public Tracker which I never use now due to all the extra scrutiny from the 'pigs' everywhere on this planet.  I've been on only 3 private trackers now (very difficult to get into but I persisted and finally won) for the past 6 years and it's been great, no slow downs in downloading/uploading and you can find everything that was ever made, designed and published in the world.

You have to find a private tracker if you want to continue using your bittorrent app and value your own personal freedom which I know has diminished everywhere especially in the US and in my 3rd world nation. 

while discussion of the bittorrent protocol itself, and modern advances in content distribution networks are always welcome, insinuation or discussion of criminal activity, including but not limited to distribution of content which violates the DMCA circumvention clause is not allowed on this forum as per the TOS, and further discussion in this direction will be removed.

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Re: Torrenting basics and help
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 20 June 2014, 01:50:12 »
while discussion of the bittorrent protocol itself, and modern advances in content distribution networks are always welcome, insinuation or discussion of criminal activity, including but not limited to distribution of content which violates the DMCA circumvention clause is not allowed on this forum as per the TOS, and further discussion in this direction will be removed.

EXACTLY, as our illustrious leader has duly noted.  Utorrent will always be used for the greater good of the world, especially where I live  :thumb: .