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Offline WayneTeK

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Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:04:09 »

I'm going to purchase a Macbook Pro Retina 13" soon and from my reading and understanding, PC files won't communicate properly with Apple because NTFS (PC) is a MSFT product. 

I have been a PC users all my life and currently, I'm starting to get more invested into video editing and all my content and files are on my external 4tb drive that is NTFS formatted. 

From reading some of the articles online, if my files were FAT32 on my External Hard Drive (4tb), it would be able to communicate between both Mac and PC? 

Is this the only way to do it?  Can i convert my hard drive to Fat32 without having to reformat it?  I just don't want to deal with the hassel.  All i know is, I need to buy a Macbook soon since my computer just isn't cutting it. 

Any advice is appreciated.   :thumb:

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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:13:13 »
A quick Google search turned this up:

http://www.cnet.com/news/how-to-manually-enable-ntfs-read-and-write-in-os-x/

Much appreciated but the article says:

Keep in mind that the writing ability of Apple's NTFS driver has not been thoroughly tested,

With that being said, since I"m in the business of editing videos for clients, I can't afford of a failed write error..  Has anybody had the same experience with this or is it easier to just bite my tongue and just convert everything to FAT 32?

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:14:26 »
Personally I would avoid using NTFS directly in that way.  It is a proprietary Microsoft format, and who knows whether Apple received all the information from Microsoft when they implemented their drivers.  One little corruption could see you lose all your valuable files.

If you can afford a new Macbook, buying a new 4TB external drive and formatting it Mac native would add very little to the overall bill.  And give you native Apple format external drive.  And keep the old drive as a backup.  Plus, you could mirror to the other drive every now and again (manually) as you collect more valuable files.
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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:18:07 »
Well, if you want to have that sense of security, copy the external drive over to another drive (a couple of cheap 2TB drives should do the trick), format the 4TB into a FAT32, and copy it all back.

Since your livelihood depends on your data, it's best to make that the priority. Don't search for quick solutions. Choose the right one.
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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:20:24 »
Personally I would avoid using NTFS directly in that way.  It is a proprietary Microsoft format, and who knows whether Apple received all the information from Microsoft when they implemented their drivers.  One little corruption could see you lose all your valuable files.

If you can afford a new Macbook, buying a new 4TB external drive and formatting it Mac native would add very little to the overall bill.  And give you native Apple format external drive.  And keep the old drive as a backup.  Plus, you could mirror to the other drive every now and again (manually) as you collect more valuable files.

Thanks for the input. 

Ok, so buying a new drive isn't a problem but my question is...  let's say i buy a new external drive and connect it to the Macbook.  How do i transfer my data from my current 4TB Hitachi drive to the new 4TB Mac Compatible External Drive? 

I'm trying to wrap my head around this - a simple drag and drop?

Thanks

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:20:57 »
If you're going all Mac, using a Mac native format would be best!
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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:21:19 »
Well, if you want to have that sense of security, copy the external drive over to another drive (a couple of cheap 2TB drives should do the trick), format the 4TB into a FAT32, and copy it all back.

Since your livelihood depends on your data, it's best to make that the priority. Don't search for quick solutions. Choose the right one.

Sage advice. 

Thank you sir

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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:28:14 »
As long as the new drive is able to be used in both Mac and PC, then a drag and drop would work best. What you DON'T want to do is clone the drive, as it will either ask you to reformat the destination drive into NTFS (defeating the entire purpose) or it will simply not work.

There are some limitations that FAT32 has that NTFS doesn't, as FAT32 is older than NTFS (1977 vs 1993).

FAT32 file size support tops out at 4GB and volume size tops out at 2TB. This means that you're limited to 2TB FAT32 partitions if you want to use a 4TB drive. It also means that you are limited to 4GB files. This is a concern with uncompressed high-definition movie files, where 30GB files are not unheard of. Theoretically, NTFS is limited by design to 16EB (Exabytes). One Exabyte is the equivalent of one billion Gigabytes, so we're quite a ways away from maxing out NTFS. In practice, 2 to 4TB volumes are the limit at this time. Larger volumes will require a 64-bit OS and compatible hardware.

Also, you want to decrypt any encrypted files ahead of time.
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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:31:48 »
Well, if you want to have that sense of security, copy the external drive over to another drive (a couple of cheap 2TB drives should do the trick), format the 4TB into a FAT32, and copy it all back.

Since your livelihood depends on your data, it's best to make that the priority. Don't search for quick solutions. Choose the right one.

Sage advice. 

Thank you sir


I understand all too well, as I am someone whose livlihood depends on data security and accessibility. I work as an electrical designer, and a loss of files can mean the loss of millions of dollars in contracts. No pressure.
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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:32:12 »
My head is spinning. 

So much advice and it's difficult to act upon it.  I'm the type that researches and analyzes too much. 

Eventually HFS (Mac native file system) is nice but getting to that position seems like work. 

http://www.cnet.com/how-to/the-best-ways-to-format-an-external-drive-for-windows-and-mac/

But after hearing your advice guys, I appreciate it.  It definitely points me in the right direction.


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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:33:52 »
Well, if you want to have that sense of security, copy the external drive over to another drive (a couple of cheap 2TB drives should do the trick), format the 4TB into a FAT32, and copy it all back.

Since your livelihood depends on your data, it's best to make that the priority. Don't search for quick solutions. Choose the right one.

Sage advice. 

Thank you sir


I understand all too well, as I am someone whose livlihood depends on data security and accessibility. I work as an electrical designer, and a loss of files can mean the loss of millions of dollars in contracts. No pressure.

Yikes...  Do you have an external NAS (Synology 2 bay) where you have a copy of it?   I think the cost of loss of data for you outweighs mine ( i dont' have any million dollar contracts yet..) 

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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:38:16 »
Well, if you want to have that sense of security, copy the external drive over to another drive (a couple of cheap 2TB drives should do the trick), format the 4TB into a FAT32, and copy it all back.

Since your livelihood depends on your data, it's best to make that the priority. Don't search for quick solutions. Choose the right one.

Sage advice. 

Thank you sir


I understand all too well, as I am someone whose livlihood depends on data security and accessibility. I work as an electrical designer, and a loss of files can mean the loss of millions of dollars in contracts. No pressure.

Yikes...  Do you have an external NAS (Synology 2 bay) where you have a copy of it?   I think the cost of loss of data for you outweighs mine ( i dont' have any million dollar contracts yet..) 

Whoa... not me personally. Hell, I WISH I had million-dollar contracts!

I was referring to the engineering company I work for.

And we have servers, offsite backups, and tape drives. Everything gets backed up nightly. I personally still don't think it's enough backup, though.
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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:45:44 »
Well, if you want to have that sense of security, copy the external drive over to another drive (a couple of cheap 2TB drives should do the trick), format the 4TB into a FAT32, and copy it all back.

Since your livelihood depends on your data, it's best to make that the priority. Don't search for quick solutions. Choose the right one.

Sage advice. 

Thank you sir


I understand all too well, as I am someone whose livlihood depends on data security and accessibility. I work as an electrical designer, and a loss of files can mean the loss of millions of dollars in contracts. No pressure.

Yikes...  Do you have an external NAS (Synology 2 bay) where you have a copy of it?   I think the cost of loss of data for you outweighs mine ( i dont' have any million dollar contracts yet..) 

Whoa... not me personally. Hell, I WISH I had million-dollar contracts!

I was referring to the engineering company I work for.

And we have servers, offsite backups, and tape drives. Everything gets backed up nightly. I personally still don't think it's enough backup, though.

Haha.  In the day of age of backups and cloud backups being hacked, seems like you can't trust anybody but yourself.  Did you hear about Jennifer Lawrence and the celebs, having their iCLOUD backup hacked? Some unmentionable photos came out of it..

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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 05:59:15 »
Yeah, I heard about that... and people wonder why I don't put a damned thing on the cloud.
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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 07:23:44 »


Well, if you want to have that sense of security, copy the external drive over to another drive (a couple of cheap 2TB drives should do the trick), format the 4TB into a FAT32, and copy it all back.

Since your livelihood depends on your data, it's best to make that the priority. Don't search for quick solutions. Choose the right one.

Sage advice. 

Thank you sir


I understand all too well, as I am someone whose livlihood depends on data security and accessibility. I work as an electrical designer, and a loss of files can mean the loss of millions of dollars in contracts. No pressure.

Yikes...  Do you have an external NAS (Synology 2 bay) where you have a copy of it?   I think the cost of loss of data for you outweighs mine ( i dont' have any million dollar contracts yet..) 

Whoa... not me personally. Hell, I WISH I had million-dollar contracts!

I was referring to the engineering company I work for.

And we have servers, offsite backups, and tape drives. Everything gets backed up nightly. I personally still don't think it's enough backup, though.

Haha.  In the day of age of backups and cloud backups being hacked, seems like you can't trust anybody but yourself.  Did you hear about Jennifer Lawrence and the celebs, having their iCLOUD backup hacked? Some unmentionable photos came out of it..

Jennifer Lawrence is Ugly..  THere.. I said it.. everyone was thinking it... but they were too afraid of the Neo feminist nazis...

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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 07:31:15 »
Haha.  In the day of age of backups and cloud backups being hacked, seems like you can't trust anybody but yourself.  Did you hear about Jennifer Lawrence and the celebs, having their iCLOUD backup hacked? Some unmentionable photos came out of it..
Jennifer Lawrence is Ugly..  THere.. I said it.. everyone was thinking it... but they were too afraid of the Neo feminist nazis...

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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 07:35:39 »
Haha.  In the day of age of backups and cloud backups being hacked, seems like you can't trust anybody but yourself.  Did you hear about Jennifer Lawrence and the celebs, having their iCLOUD backup hacked? Some unmentionable photos came out of it..
Jennifer Lawrence is Ugly..  THere.. I said it.. everyone was thinking it... but they were too afraid of the Neo feminist nazis...

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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 07:36:56 »
Haha.  In the day of age of backups and cloud backups being hacked, seems like you can't trust anybody but yourself.  Did you hear about Jennifer Lawrence and the celebs, having their iCLOUD backup hacked? Some unmentionable photos came out of it..
Jennifer Lawrence is Ugly..  THere.. I said it.. everyone was thinking it... but they were too afraid of the Neo feminist nazis...

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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 07:50:23 »
Haha.  In the day of age of backups and cloud backups being hacked, seems like you can't trust anybody but yourself.  Did you hear about Jennifer Lawrence and the celebs, having their iCLOUD backup hacked? Some unmentionable photos came out of it..
Jennifer Lawrence is Ugly..  THere.. I said it.. everyone was thinking it... but they were too afraid of the Neo feminist nazis...

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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 08:25:25 »
Haha.  In the day of age of backups and cloud backups being hacked, seems like you can't trust anybody but yourself.  Did you hear about Jennifer Lawrence and the celebs, having their iCLOUD backup hacked? Some unmentionable photos came out of it..
Jennifer Lawrence is Ugly..  THere.. I said it.. everyone was thinking it... but they were too afraid of the Neo feminist nazis...

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The truth Hurts

The truth that you have horrible taste? Absolutely.

The truth that you'd settle for the least common denominator ?

JL looks border line inbred...  Nothing against inbred people.. but, well there you go, that's what she looks like



As opposed to those ultra-skinny actresses that are two plastic surgeries away from looking like an extra on Night of the Living Dead?
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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 13:14:04 »
Personally I would avoid using NTFS directly in that way.  It is a proprietary Microsoft format, and who knows whether Apple received all the information from Microsoft when they implemented their drivers.  One little corruption could see you lose all your valuable files.

If you can afford a new Macbook, buying a new 4TB external drive and formatting it Mac native would add very little to the overall bill.  And give you native Apple format external drive.  And keep the old drive as a backup.  Plus, you could mirror to the other drive every now and again (manually) as you collect more valuable files.

Thanks for the input. 

Ok, so buying a new drive isn't a problem but my question is...  let's say i buy a new external drive and connect it to the Macbook.  How do i transfer my data from my current 4TB Hitachi drive to the new 4TB Mac Compatible External Drive? 

I'm trying to wrap my head around this - a simple drag and drop?

Thanks
If you're getting a new drive, you can set up a network SAN with a small linux board or commercial NAS solution (they are usually not *that* expensive). You can copy the files to multiple 2TB FAT32 partitions using a linux boot disk, then reformat the 4TB drive to HFS+ and then copy them back using OS X. At that point, I would set up the "spare" drive as a redundant backup or time-machine store. Both operations are simple drag&drop (the first in linux, the second in OS X)

As for long-term NTFS usage in OS X: it varies. My room-mate tried NTFS with his external for a while and had some issues copying to my NTFS external (only about half copied each time. OS X is such a great OS with respect to file copy, if it hits a single IO error, instead of trying to recover, or even fail gracefully, it throws up it's hands in frustration, stomps off into the corner and gives up completely at the first sign of trouble. How people can use it for a long period of time is completely beyond me) but was able to use it for his own files for a while without too much trouble. Up to you.

Another thing to try is to install windows to a flashdrive or something using refit, and using that to do the copy. Just quit using it before it yells at you to actually activate it (3 to 30 days, depending on version). This would be a bit more feature full (linux drivers for HFS plus are flaky, and hard to use) and significantly harder to set up, but partitioning and formatting would be familiar.

As far as actual filesystems, I prefer journalled ones like HFS+ or EXT3 to NTFS or FAT but haven't had any file loss or corruption from either (though my multiple redundant backups do help)
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Re: Converting to a Macbook but my HD is 4tb External (NTFS)
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 01 September 2014, 16:07:42 »
Haha.  In the day of age of backups and cloud backups being hacked, seems like you can't trust anybody but yourself.  Did you hear about Jennifer Lawrence and the celebs, having their iCLOUD backup hacked? Some unmentionable photos came out of it..
Jennifer Lawrence is Ugly..  THere.. I said it.. everyone was thinking it... but they were too afraid of the Neo feminist nazis...

Show Image

The truth Hurts

The truth that you have horrible taste? Absolutely.

The truth that you'd settle for the least common denominator ?

JL looks border line inbred...  Nothing against inbred people.. but, well there you go, that's what she looks like



As opposed to those ultra-skinny actresses that are two plastic surgeries away from looking like an extra on Night of the Living Dead?

I like JL's body just fine...TP4 wholly prefers The-Thickness,   but as to JL, it's her face...  what do they call it.. butter something