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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 08:57:36 »
Teachers make nothing

I would say this depends on location.

AND your definition of nothing. What would you consider to be decent teacher pay?

to deal with animals that you emotionally abuse and scar you ?... 

More than they're getting now..

While I can agree you couldn't pay me enough to be a school teacher, looking at our local districts pay database from 2010 the average pay was ~$60K.

Perhaps I'm out of touch but would most people not consider $60K/yr decent pay?? Especially for a job where you get 3 months off in the summer time?

depends where you live
60k in NYC is prob considered avg middle class, but by no means "comfortable"
60k in like Montana is prob upper middle class.

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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #101 on: Tue, 28 October 2014, 09:29:21 »
if all kids were winners we wouldnt have a keyboard forum
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Re: What is wrong witth this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 02:17:00 »
Up through elementary ages, having no score keeping is fine. It's about an activity, learning how things work, it's rules, socialization and so on. I don't agree with the all are same/equal there though as it only breeds bad ideas and sense of entitlement at a young age. But it needs to shift over to competitive basis eventually once a certain age is reached. Then it's time to learn life isn't fair, that you have to actually work at something to improve skills, learn from failure and more.
As far as the US education system, it's been declining by design. It's all about controlling the population. If people get too intelligent it becomes a huge problem for those in power. They also want to keep that massive disparity in the income divide going.

The biggest problem with education in my view is the idea of grade levels. It's why I hated traditional school so much. If it wasn't for alternative school where I was able to complete courses on my own very quick pace I wouldn't have even graduated.
People learn things in different ways, at different paces. It would be much better to have classes based on aptitude than age group... at least for those of us that would operate better that way.

I like the US educational system a lot for that very reason... in more ways than one.

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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 05:39:28 »
if all kids were winners we wouldnt have a keyboard forum

wow.. way to self-depreciate.  hahahaha

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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #104 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 05:42:35 »
While I can agree you couldn't pay me enough to be a school teacher, looking at our local districts pay database from 2010 the average pay was ~$60K.
Perhaps I'm out of touch but would most people not consider $60K/yr decent pay?? Especially for a job where you get 3 months off in the summer time?

Factor in almost perfect job security, health benefits, and a pension Ray. Then how does it seem? Oh, and they can take summers off, or work, their choice. I have no problem with teacher's being well paid -- the work they do is crucial -- but the unions insist on zero accountability, and no other option to solve problems aside from more teachers and more money.

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But the first step is getting rid of the teacher's unions, unfortunately.

And that's your real motive.  Not better education for children, just union-bashing like you've done in so many other threads here.

Yes, my real motive is to annihilate teacher's unions (not teachers, just the unions) because they're hurting children. They don't give a damn about children or their education, only power. Americans must break the teacher's unions monopolistic stranglehold on education. A case in point -- Harlem Success Academy Charter Schools. Run by a woman named Eva Moskowitz, these schools have improved the educations of the most at-risk children in NYC. Their success rates with children are nearly inverse to the success rate for public schools. And naturally, the UFT (United Federation of Teachers) hound them at every turn.

Why? Because mediocrity is the natural enemy of success. If people see great alternatives to public schools, that chips away at the unions' power, and they can't have that. So they're doing everything in their power to stop the success.


You make it seem like the average american can afford to pay for this stuff.. LOLOL

The teachers union is there to create teachers AT ALL..  it's NOT a good job..  typically only the lowest line of graduates enter k-12 teaching..

I'm not saying it's not important, that's just the nature of field.

being a teacher is like being a parent.  Parenting is statistically among people's LEAST favorite things to do..   

You always hear moms and dads tell you about how their kids make them happy.. hahaha.. they're lying through their teeth to cover up their misery..


A teacher is like parents ++... by far one of the worst jobs.. because you work with the ****tiest people... KIDS...   

Is it possible to make it better, sure, is it possible to be motivated, sure,  but that takes fortitude that is highly paid for ELSEWHERE..

and so who's left to babysit..   hahaha we already know this.




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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #105 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 05:59:01 »
And there is no more dodge ball.

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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #106 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 06:11:32 »
And there is no more dodge ball.

they stopped letting us play that at my school

we had kick ball though, but obviously that's not the same.

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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #107 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 12:59:02 »
when i was in elementary school we used to have "field day".
The school was split up into 3 different teams based on the school colors (red/black/white) from Kindergarten to 5th grade.

There'd be tug of war, relay races, tire jumping, monkey bar race, etc.  Winners would earn points for the team, the winning team would get a ribbon or whatever.

My brother entered the same elementary school 7 years later and they took out the point system and it was just a sports event day.

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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #108 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 13:21:23 »

when i was in elementary school we used to have "field day".
The school was split up into 3 different teams based on the school colors (red/black/white) from Kindergarten to 5th grade.

There'd be tug of war, relay races, tire jumping, monkey bar race, etc.  Winners would earn points for the team, the winning team would get a ribbon or whatever.

My brother entered the same elementary school 7 years later and they took out the point system and it was just a sports event day.

Yeah! Same thing at my school. In first grade we had competitions and it was awesome. By fifth grade, we got participation ribbons and they took out all the cool stuff like the egg toss.  :(

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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #109 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 13:29:50 »

when i was in elementary school we used to have "field day".
The school was split up into 3 different teams based on the school colors (red/black/white) from Kindergarten to 5th grade.

There'd be tug of war, relay races, tire jumping, monkey bar race, etc.  Winners would earn points for the team, the winning team would get a ribbon or whatever.

My brother entered the same elementary school 7 years later and they took out the point system and it was just a sports event day.

Yeah! Same thing at my school. In first grade we had competitions and it was awesome. By fifth grade, we got participation ribbons and they took out all the cool stuff like the egg toss.  :(

Man when I was in fifth grade they still paddled kids and at our field day  we threw raw eggs, dug through a mountain of flower looking for pennies and shot bows and arrows.

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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #110 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 14:09:50 »

when i was in elementary school we used to have "field day".
The school was split up into 3 different teams based on the school colors (red/black/white) from Kindergarten to 5th grade.

There'd be tug of war, relay races, tire jumping, monkey bar race, etc.  Winners would earn points for the team, the winning team would get a ribbon or whatever.

My brother entered the same elementary school 7 years later and they took out the point system and it was just a sports event day.

Yeah! Same thing at my school. In first grade we had competitions and it was awesome. By fifth grade, we got participation ribbons and they took out all the cool stuff like the egg toss.  :(

Man when I was in fifth grade they still paddled kids and at our field day  we threw raw eggs, dug through a mountain of flower looking for pennies and shot bows and arrows.


when i was in elementary school we used to have "field day".
The school was split up into 3 different teams based on the school colors (red/black/white) from Kindergarten to 5th grade.

There'd be tug of war, relay races, tire jumping, monkey bar race, etc.  Winners would earn points for the team, the winning team would get a ribbon or whatever.

My brother entered the same elementary school 7 years later and they took out the point system and it was just a sports event day.

Yeah! Same thing at my school. In first grade we had competitions and it was awesome. By fifth grade, we got participation ribbons and they took out all the cool stuff like the egg toss.  :(

And neither of you is a sociopath? Amazing! When I was in the Boy Scouts we'd have a thing called 'The Klondike Derby' -- we'd build dogsleds out of wood, and each local troop would have to pull the sled around to different activity areas of a snowy college campus. There'd be orienteering, fire-building, etc. -- all contests of skill. We'd put the smallest kid in the troop in the sled, do some of the activities, and then it would devolve into ramming the sleds into one another (terrified that poor kid on the inside) for kicks.

It took Progressives to turn childhood (especially for boys) into one big non-competitive flower-arranging contest.
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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 14:18:51 »
i dodged bullets in elementary. bunch of pussies playing with dirt and flowers
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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #112 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 14:19:49 »
i dodged bullets in elementary. bunch of pussies playing with dirt and lowers

So you're saying you were the winner against bullets? See, all kids are winners.

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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #113 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 14:23:01 »
i dodged bullets in elementary. bunch of pussies playing with dirt and lowers

So you're saying you were the winner against bullets? See, all kids are winners.

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Re: What is wrong with this world? (Should ALL the kids be WINNERS?)
« Reply #114 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 15:43:40 »
Our school's field day with just a carnival coming and setting up in the kickball field