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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 08:27:34 »
No one could ever answer the following to my satisfaction:

If you are fat, and I mean - someone who has over 50lbs to lose: if you cover all your minimum vitamin/mineral/fat/carb/fiber/protein requirements - why do calories matter?  Sure you may need 500-750 cals a day for immediate energy, but you have all this FAT! :)  In that scenario your body should be coaxed into using it.  That's the whole point of fat in the first place.

But I agree no sympathy - and definitely jacked up insurance rates + higher food taxes for those who don't want to change and become a burden on society.
Well, here's a real life testimonial. 5 months ago I changed the way I eat completely and I log everything into myfitnesspal. I was fat. Still am. But I'm down 70 pounds so far.
You asked why calories matter if you hit your nutritional needs like carbs/fat/protein. Well, those three categories are the most important and they work based on percentages for each meal. For me it's 50% carbs, 30% fat and 20% protein. This is what having a "balanced diet" is. You can eat all day every day and consume massive amounts of calories and still hit the proper percentages for a "balanced diet". But you'll gain a ton of weight if you do that.
So you still need to know how many calories your body will burn at rest. This is called the basal metabolic rate. Any calories burned from cardio or other exercise need to be added to this BMR number and then you have to eat less than that to lose weight. But not too much less or your body kind of panics thinking its starving and begins to store fat it thinks it needs and eats away your muscle. It's your bodies way of prioritizing I guess. So even tho there is a bunch of stored energy as fat, the body looks at that as kind of a supplementary source rather than a primary source for those days where you don't eat quite enough.
My suggested calorie consumption before any exercise is 1700 a day to maintain a 2 pound per week weight loss. That 1700 will get lower and lower as I get lighter (I started at something like 2500 calories a day). On the flip side, if I don't eat more than 1200 a day, I get a warning that my body might shift into the dreaded "starvation mode".

Hopefully this answers your question.

Also if anyone is interested in knowing what foods I cut out, here it is. Cutting all this stuff out is not necessary in most cases but I do it anyway. It's very hard and it works very well (for me).

-No dairy
-No bread, pasta, or grains
-No caffeine
-No added salt
-No processed foods of any kind
-No sugar that isn't natural in fruits etc. So no junk food, period.
-And only eat red meat on occasion.

I get my calcium and other vitamins in other ways.

Can you give some ideas of what specifically you eat during the day and how much?

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 08:30:53 »
I am fat because I cannot afford healthier food. If you need an explanation for this reasoning, you have obviously never lived at or below the poverty line and are talking out of your ass.

Anyone who hasn't lived off of $1< meals on a daily basis for months/years at a time has no stake in this conversation because they don't a lick about what they speak.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 08:41:02 »
No one could ever answer the following to my satisfaction:

If you are fat, and I mean - someone who has over 50lbs to lose: if you cover all your minimum vitamin/mineral/fat/carb/fiber/protein requirements - why do calories matter?  Sure you may need 500-750 cals a day for immediate energy, but you have all this FAT! :)  In that scenario your body should be coaxed into using it.  That's the whole point of fat in the first place.

But I agree no sympathy - and definitely jacked up insurance rates + higher food taxes for those who don't want to change and become a burden on society.
Well, here's a real life testimonial. 5 months ago I changed the way I eat completely and I log everything into myfitnesspal. I was fat. Still am. But I'm down 70 pounds so far.
You asked why calories matter if you hit your nutritional needs like carbs/fat/protein. Well, those three categories are the most important and they work based on percentages for each meal. For me it's 50% carbs, 30% fat and 20% protein. This is what having a "balanced diet" is. You can eat all day every day and consume massive amounts of calories and still hit the proper percentages for a "balanced diet". But you'll gain a ton of weight if you do that.
So you still need to know how many calories your body will burn at rest. This is called the basal metabolic rate. Any calories burned from cardio or other exercise need to be added to this BMR number and then you have to eat less than that to lose weight. But not too much less or your body kind of panics thinking its starving and begins to store fat it thinks it needs and eats away your muscle. It's your bodies way of prioritizing I guess. So even tho there is a bunch of stored energy as fat, the body looks at that as kind of a supplementary source rather than a primary source for those days where you don't eat quite enough.
My suggested calorie consumption before any exercise is 1700 a day to maintain a 2 pound per week weight loss. That 1700 will get lower and lower as I get lighter (I started at something like 2500 calories a day). On the flip side, if I don't eat more than 1200 a day, I get a warning that my body might shift into the dreaded "starvation mode".

Hopefully this answers your question.

Also if anyone is interested in knowing what foods I cut out, here it is. Cutting all this stuff out is not necessary in most cases but I do it anyway. It's very hard and it works very well (for me).

-No dairy
-No bread, pasta, or grains
-No caffeine
-No added salt
-No processed foods of any kind
-No sugar that isn't natural in fruits etc. So no junk food, period.
-And only eat red meat on occasion.

I get my calcium and other vitamins in other ways.

Congrats on you success with getting ahead of it.  If it works for you and you are able to maintain the diet I applaud you.  I personally couldn't cut the dairy (my house goes through almost a gallon of milk a day and a 2 pound block of cheddar, real not the processed fake crap a week), bread, pasta, grains, or cut myself back that much on red meat.  I grew up eating grilled hamburgers, steaks, and a lot a hamburger helper.  The hamburger helper is pretty cheap cheaper yet when you can buy half a cow at a shot and essentially get bulk pricing.

I do try and stay away from the processed crap as much as possible and the only junk food I really eat on a regular basis is Mountain dew.  I drink the regular stuff and not the diet.  I can taste a massive difference with the artificial super sweeteners and I can't stand it.

I have not personally ever had a weight problem but I can imagine that for the willpower involved it ranks up there with quitting smoking.  That was a very long and hard trail to follow until I got on the e-cigg.  I started with one on a Friday and was done with cigarettes by Monday.  It still wasn't easy but I had finally found a tool that worked for me.  I have since dropped the nicotine level in the juice from 1.8% when I started and my next juice purchase I will be going down to 0.3%, and I have only been on it for 3 months or so.

I am fat because I cannot afford healthier food. If you need an explanation for this reasoning, you have obviously never lived at or below the poverty line and are talking out of your ass.

Anyone who hasn't lived off of $1< meals on a daily basis for months/years at a time has no stake in this conversation because they don't a lick about what they speak.

I beg to differ with you here noisyturtle.  It does take much more effort but it can actually be cheaper to eat healthy than not.  It might not taste as good but it can be done.  I personally grew up below the poverty line due to my mom working as a custodian and my dad not working for about 6 or 7 years due to a broken neck (same break as Christopher Reeves).  It did involve eating a lot of wild game such as deer, fish, ducks, and that sort.  But we always had food on the table and was a fairly balanced diet.  May not have always been the best tasting my I am still very proud of my parents for being able to keep the lights on and food on our table during that time.

There was times where we did eat roadkill.  That is totally free meat.  The couple times we did my dad watched the deer get hit so he just pulled off the road and cleaned it where it lay, and salvaged what meat was still good.  All tasted the same on the table as well.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 08:50:24 »

I beg to differ with you here noisyturtle.  It does take much more effort but it can actually be cheaper to eat healthy than not.  It might not taste as good but it can be done.  I personally grew up below the poverty line due to my mom working as a custodian and my dad not working for about 6 or 7 years due to a broken neck (same break as Christopher Reeves).  It did involve eating a lot of wild game such as deer, fish, ducks, and that sort.  But we always had food on the table and was a fairly balanced diet.  May not have always been the best tasting my I am still very proud of my parents for being able to keep the lights on and food on our table during that time.

There was times where we did eat roadkill.  That is totally free meat.  The couple times we did my dad watched the deer get hit so he just pulled off the road and cleaned it where it lay, and salvaged what meat was still good.  All tasted the same on the table as well.

I can buy 30 meals for $30 from my grocer's frozen food section. You tell me a way to prepare 30 meals for $30 from scratch that doesn't involve a frozen TV dinner or 75% rice and I'll suck your sister's clit... or whatever the equivalent of that is.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 09:03:00 »
I am fat because I cannot afford healthier food. If you need an explanation for this reasoning, you have obviously never lived at or below the poverty line and are talking out of your ass.

Anyone who hasn't lived off of $1< meals on a daily basis for months/years at a time has no stake in this conversation because they don't a lick about what they speak.
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When I was in the US, my food budget was $100-150 a month (including the weekly meal outside) and I ate quite well in the urban US for several years. I treated friends and guests too on that very modest budget.

I don't think you actually know what you are talking about noisyturtle. I am quite aware of how much raw food materials cost in the urban US in the late 1990s. The mandatory carbos are/ were actually very cheap, if you chose ordinary rice in sacks (not instant-heat boxes like how white people like their rice) and Mexican/ South American beans in the bags rather than Green Giant's canned garbanzos. Chinese noodles (the dried kind) were also quite cheap; under $2 you could get enough for six or eight meals. Seaweed, also ultra cheap. I loved seaweed.

The vegetables were even cheaper.  Since most Americans don't eat fresh veggies without spending extra money on fatty mayo, I won't go into this further. There is a big cognition gap - more than one American has shouted/ exclaimed at me for eating veggies without some garnish.

The spices I bought from the Indian grocer lasted a long time. The dhal - I could never finish it. $2.50 for 5 lbs lasts you over a year.

For fruits, I liked to buy from the Mexican or Asian grocers. They tend to have connections with other Mexicans and Asian farmers and are cheap and fresh. I avoided the expensive fruits like avocados and bought grapes only when in season, because grape prices vary a lot.

Tomatoes could be uber expensive or uber cheap depending on whether you chose to do to Harris Teeter or buy from Jose. You can get one big bag from Jose, a few somewhat bruised, for the price of ONE tomato from Harris Teeter. I'm sure most white liberals buy from HT or Whole Foods and imagine that the prices reflect reality.

Meat, buy minced meats rather than top class steak and choice cuts. In my time in the USA I don't remember eating any steak apart from salisbury steak, and even then I bought only when on discount (there are always discounts). I did not eat meat everyday. Fish, maybe twice a week depending on what was on discount.

Pizza, ice cream, and other processed foods? Didn't eat them much. Too expensive and too unhealthy. I bought tofu whenever possible, and one tray could last me three days. And no pop/ soda. Don't even mention alcoholic substances. I never purchased any.

Most of the human race lives off $1 meals. I live now in an island of prosperity surrounded by an archipelago of poverty - and nearly everyone is skinny in Indonesia/ Philippines. Most people would prefer to eat more meat - but as things are now, they are not exactly suffering hunger pangs at night or some major forms of malnutrition. Billions of people do fine on $1 meals.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 09:08:06 »
I am fat because I cannot afford healthier food. If you need an explanation for this reasoning, you have obviously never lived at or below the poverty line and are talking out of your ass.

Anyone who hasn't lived off of $1< meals on a daily basis for months/years at a time has no stake in this conversation because they don't a lick about what they speak.
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When I was in the US, my food budget was $100-150 a month (including the weekly meal outside) and I ate quite well in the urban US for several years. I treated friends and guests too on that very modest budget.

I don't think you actually know what you are talking about noisyturtle. I am quite aware of how much raw food materials cost in the urban US in the late 1990s. The mandatory carbos are/ were actually very cheap, if you chose ordinary rice in sacks (not instant-heat boxes like how white people like their rice) and Mexican/ South American beans in the bags rather than Green Giant's canned garbanzos. Chinese noodles (the dried kind) were also quite cheap; under $2 you could get enough for six or eight meals. Seaweed, also ultra cheap. I loved seaweed.

The vegetables were even cheaper.  Since most Americans don't eat fresh veggies without spending extra money on fatty mayo, I won't go into this further. There is a big cognition gap - more than one American has shouted/ exclaimed at me for eating veggies without some garnish.

The spices I bought from the Indian grocer lasted a long time. The dhal - I could never finish it. $2.50 for 5 lbs lasts you over a year.

For fruits, I liked to buy from the Mexican or Asian grocers. They tend to have connections with other Mexicans and Asian farmers and are cheap and fresh. I avoided the expensive fruits like avocados and bought grapes only when in season, because grape prices vary a lot.

Tomatoes could be uber expensive or uber cheap depending on whether you chose to do to Harris Teeter or buy from Jose. You can get one big bag from Jose, a few somewhat bruised, for the price of ONE tomato from Harris Teeter. I'm sure most white liberals buy from HT or Whole Foods and imagine that the prices reflect reality.

Meat, buy minced meats rather than top class steak and choice cuts. In my time in the USA I don't remember eating any steak apart from salisbury steak, and even then I bought only when on discount (there are always discounts). I did not eat meat everyday. Fish, maybe twice a week depending on what was on discount.

Pizza, ice cream, and other processed foods? Didn't eat them much. Too expensive and too unhealthy. I bought tofu whenever possible, and one tray could last me three days. And no pop/ soda. Don't even mention alcoholic substances. I never purchased any.

Most of the human race lives off $1 meals. I live now in an island of prosperity surrounded by an archipelago of poverty - and nearly everyone is skinny in Indonesia/ Philippines. Most people would prefer to eat more meat - but as things are now, they are not exactly suffering hunger pangs at night or some major forms of malnutrition. Billions of people do fine on $1 meals.

Most of the human race talks out of their asses except you, it seems.

The difference between $100 and $150 is HUGE! Even the difference between something like a $60 and $80 budget can make all the difference in your quality of life. The amount of better quality food only $20 a week can make to someone on a wire-thin budget would astound you. It's the difference between straight carb staple foods, and something with substance.

Live on $40 a week for a few months(or years)and get back to me about a boot strap food budget.

This is the kind of stuff that really makes me mad when people do not comprehend the drastic difference only $10-20 extra a week can make to someone who is living paycheck to payheck and can barely put food on the table while keeping a roof over their head. They talk like they know how to shop smart or parse food out for a week, but they have no clue until they are actually at that bottom.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 09:08:35 »
If you are physically not capable of doing the tasks to which you are assigned, then it makes sense that your employer is not interested in keeping you around. I do not think you can fault them for that.

But should fat people need disability protection? Intuitively I would say it is a person's own responsibility to keep their body in a state that they can do their work. Excluded should be all cases where the person in question can not do anything about his or her disability. This is not about whether or not it is their own fault, it is about whether during a person's employment, they do what is necessary to enable them to do their job. If someone does not manage to do that, I think you should be able to fire him or her.

In my case for example, I am expected to be both presentable and informed. Should I fail to do either of those things, then I am guaranteed to lose my job. Do I think that is fair? Yes, I do.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 09:10:42 »

The nutrition world is sending out all sorts of mixed signals:

Is it any surprise people screw up their bodies/metabolisms by every camp having a bunch of 'experts' who have science to back it up?


Much of what all the experts say is true.

But it is not "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"

The whole truth is that every body and every metabolism is different.

Perhaps the most important example is a documented fact that about 15% of the population does not metabolize refined carbohydrates in a "normal" and healthy way, and for those people, refined carbohydrates could be considered as the equivalent of an addictive drug.

For the rest of us, refined carbohydrates are simply a cheap and low-grade, nutrition-empty energy source.

The most important factor in health is meaningful exercise, and after that, cut out the refined junk.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 09:20:15 »
In the beginning of 2010 my food budget was $0.30 a day. Russian cost of living FTW!
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:18:23 »
i feel anyone crying poverty on GH to the point of unable to pay for food needs a reality check.
And $40.00 a week if you're buying fresh food isn't that hard.
I dunno where you go to shop, but buy vegetables that are under $2.00/lb.  Get a bag of rice.  Get some Chicken Breast or ground beef or something.
There's no reason the budget won't accept this
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 12:36:14 »

No one could ever answer the following to my satisfaction:

If you are fat, and I mean - someone who has over 50lbs to lose: if you cover all your minimum vitamin/mineral/fat/carb/fiber/protein requirements - why do calories matter?  Sure you may need 500-750 cals a day for immediate energy, but you have all this FAT! :)  In that scenario your body should be coaxed into using it.  That's the whole point of fat in the first place.

But I agree no sympathy - and definitely jacked up insurance rates + higher food taxes for those who don't want to change and become a burden on society.
Well, here's a real life testimonial. 5 months ago I changed the way I eat completely and I log everything into myfitnesspal. I was fat. Still am. But I'm down 70 pounds so far.
You asked why calories matter if you hit your nutritional needs like carbs/fat/protein. Well, those three categories are the most important and they work based on percentages for each meal. For me it's 50% carbs, 30% fat and 20% protein. This is what having a "balanced diet" is. You can eat all day every day and consume massive amounts of calories and still hit the proper percentages for a "balanced diet". But you'll gain a ton of weight if you do that.
So you still need to know how many calories your body will burn at rest. This is called the basal metabolic rate. Any calories burned from cardio or other exercise need to be added to this BMR number and then you have to eat less than that to lose weight. But not too much less or your body kind of panics thinking its starving and begins to store fat it thinks it needs and eats away your muscle. It's your bodies way of prioritizing I guess. So even tho there is a bunch of stored energy as fat, the body looks at that as kind of a supplementary source rather than a primary source for those days where you don't eat quite enough.
My suggested calorie consumption before any exercise is 1700 a day to maintain a 2 pound per week weight loss. That 1700 will get lower and lower as I get lighter (I started at something like 2500 calories a day). On the flip side, if I don't eat more than 1200 a day, I get a warning that my body might shift into the dreaded "starvation mode".

Hopefully this answers your question.

Also if anyone is interested in knowing what foods I cut out, here it is. Cutting all this stuff out is not necessary in most cases but I do it anyway. It's very hard and it works very well (for me).

-No dairy
-No bread, pasta, or grains
-No caffeine
-No added salt
-No processed foods of any kind
-No sugar that isn't natural in fruits etc. So no junk food, period.
-And only eat red meat on occasion.

I get my calcium and other vitamins in other ways.

Can you give some ideas of what specifically you eat during the day and how much?
Heres a typical day for me.


Total calories from food: 1827
Subtract 138 calories from 25 mins of cardio from walking at a leisurely pace. (Not nearly enough exercise)
Total: 1689 calories

Breakfast: (518 calories)
-2 eggs (with yolk)
-About 1/2" slice of Ham
-Fried onions, mushrooms, bell peppers (in maybe a teaspoon of extra Virginia coconut oil)
-1 cup Silk coconut milk
-Vitamins
-1Tbsp Metamucil (add to the fried onions and mushrooms while cooking)

Lunch: (238 calories)
- 4oz Salmon fillet
- Steamed broccoli
- Cherry Tomatoes
- Raw bell pepper pieces

Snack #1: Smoothie (364 calories)
- kiwi
- banana
- coconut milk
- mixed berries

Dinner: (265 calories)
- boneless skinless chicken breast (baked various ways)
- Spaghetti Squash w/ fried mushroom and peppers (coconut oil)
- portobello with marinara sauce (no sugar kind)

Snack #2: (455 calories)
- 1/2 cup Harvest Trail Mix
- Banana

Exercise: (burn ~138 calories)
- 25 mins of walking at a leisurely pace

Nutritional breakdown for this day: 51% carbs, 24% fat, 25%carbs (this is close enough to my target. Extra protein is better than extra carbs or fat)


NOTE: I eat all of these things A LOT!! It can get very boring unless you get creative with how you prepare all these meals. Also, I will switch up the vegetables and type of fish as often as I can and prepare the chicken in different ways.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 12:43:48 »
I need to make more smoothies.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 15:20:16 »
I don’t understand why Americans take the skin off chicken (and likewise avoid eating cartilage, tendons, fat, organ meat, bone marrow, etc.); the non-muscle parts of animals have all kinds of stuff in them that the human body will put to good use, which it’s hard to make up from just vegetable sources. Most places in the world people eat tripe, pigs feet, fish heads, cow brain, blood sausage, etc. etc., but many Americans won’t eat anything but boneless skinless chicken breasts and steaks with the fat cut out. (Or they eat all the other animal parts, but only when they’ve been turned into hot dogs.)

Anyhow, chicken skin is delicious and perfectly healthy to eat: much better than filling up on bread, noodles, rice, mashed potatoes, &c. or (the more common alternative) cookies, chips, and sugarwater.

I’d recommend everyone (especially if cooking for 2+ people) learn to process a whole plucked chicken. It’s pretty easy, there are all kinds of tasty bits on there, and whole chickens sell for much cheaper than the ones that have already been broken down into parts.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 15:39:33 »
I don�t understand why Americans take the skin off chicken (and likewise avoid eating cartilage, tendons, fat, organ meat, bone marrow, etc.); the non-muscle parts of animals have all kinds of stuff in them that the human body will put to good use, which it�s hard to make up from just vegetable sources. Most places in the world people eat tripe, pigs feet, fish heads, cow brain, blood sausage, etc. etc., but many Americans won�t eat anything but boneless skinless chicken breasts and steaks with the fat cut out. (Or they eat all the other animal parts, but only when they�ve been turned into hot dogs.)

Anyhow, chicken skin is delicious and perfectly healthy to eat: much better than filling up on bread, noodles, rice, mashed potatoes, &c. or (the more common alternative) cookies, chips, and sugarwater.

I�d recommend everyone (especially if cooking for 2+ people) learn to process a whole plucked chicken. It�s pretty easy, there are all kinds of tasty bits on there, and whole chickens sell for much cheaper than the ones that have already been broken down into parts.

this is very true
and if you really don't wanna deal with the whole chicken plucking and what not, you can even "shortcut it" by just buying a rottissere chicken from your supermarket
shave off the meat, package it up and 1 chicken should be all the meat you need for a week.  Take the bones and throw it into a pot and throw some veggies in.  You got chicken soup.  add some rice or noodles if you choose.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 15:59:10 »


But it's the same reason why commercial quality pork is so lean, dry and gross.  The populace has been sold on animal fats and non-premium meat cuts being bad for you.

Though, I can't handle the stink of organ meat/offal, so that's most of why I avoid it. 

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 16:01:43 »
Well, here's a real life testimonial. 5 months ago I changed the way I eat completely and I log everything into myfitnesspal. I was fat. Still am. But I'm down 70 pounds so far.

Hey man, huge congrats on losing 70! Feel free to add me on MFP if you're looking for friends. Username = drewba13

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 16:07:15 »
I’m not a huge fan of some organs, and tend to let someone who prefers them have them. But it seems crazy that people (for instance) refuse to even try the tripe/tendons/etc. in Vietnamese phở, or are horrified to eat chicken or pig feet. Few of my American friends will even take a bite of a brain taco (by the way, a couple brain tacos are delicious, but I recommend against getting a whole brain burrito, it’s just too rich), and you can forget about getting people to try fried insects (though headless shrimp and lobsters are just fine apparently; by the way, throw those shrimp heads in a stir fry or soup; even if you don’t want to eat the shrimp heads, they add great flavor to whatever they’re cooked with).
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 16:15:12 »
I’m not a huge fan of some organs, and tend to let someone who prefers them have them. But it seems crazy that people (for instance) refuse to even try the tripe/tendons/etc. in Vietnamese phở, or are horrified to eat chicken or pig feet. Few of my American friends will even take a bite of a brain taco (by the way, a couple brain tacos are delicious, but I recommend against getting a whole brain burrito, it’s just too rich), and you can forget about getting people to try fried insects (but shrimp and lobsters are just fine apparently).

I agree on most of your points. Brain is decent, but tongue is where it's at when it comes to tacos  :p

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 16:22:32 »
This guy wants you to eat 70%  fat ?

so.. yea..  I've tried eating a stick of butter.. Tp4 crazy  like that..  and it's good going down..

but... the 3rd bite.. is kinda hard.. and  if you eat 1.5-2 sticks.. it makes you dizzy. I felt like I was being poisoned. Which scientifically is my liver is going, Ffff you, what are you doing...

I watched a friend drink 2L of canola oil once, such lubricated projectile vomit. Twas ae beautiful sitee twu see.

moral of these stories.... don't use condiments/utility foods as meals on their own.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 17:18:42 »
I’m not a huge fan of some organs, and tend to let someone who prefers them have them. But it seems crazy that people (for instance) refuse to even try the tripe/tendons/etc. in Vietnamese phở, or are horrified to eat chicken or pig feet. Few of my American friends will even take a bite of a brain taco (by the way, a couple brain tacos are delicious, but I recommend against getting a whole brain burrito, it’s just too rich), and you can forget about getting people to try fried insects (though headless shrimp and lobsters are just fine apparently; by the way, throw those shrimp heads in a stir fry or soup; even if you don’t want to eat the shrimp heads, they add great flavor to whatever they’re cooked with).

I had a turkey gizzard for the first time a few weeks ago, and it tasted just like regular turkey.  We freak out about where the food comes from for some reason.  It's a bit silly to me, since I assume most of it tastes just fine.  But oh well.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 17:31:16 »

I’m not a huge fan of some organs, and tend to let someone who prefers them have them. But it seems crazy that people (for instance) refuse to even try the tripe/tendons/etc. in Vietnamese phở, or are horrified to eat chicken or pig feet. Few of my American friends will even take a bite of a brain taco (by the way, a couple brain tacos are delicious, but I recommend against getting a whole brain burrito, it’s just too rich), and you can forget about getting people to try fried insects (though headless shrimp and lobsters are just fine apparently; by the way, throw those shrimp heads in a stir fry or soup; even if you don’t want to eat the shrimp heads, they add great flavor to whatever they’re cooked with).

I had a turkey gizzard for the first time a few weeks ago, and it tasted just like regular turkey.  We freak out about where the food comes from for some reason.  It's a bit silly to me, since I assume most of it tastes just fine.  But oh well.
Our culture associates anything gross looking as being gross. And it's only "gross looking" because we were told that growing up and our parents also. I'm victim to it. It's too bad too cuz I'm sure most of it is delicious. I just can't stomach it because of these instilled believes. My mind is more powerful than my taste buds and stomach apparently. And I don't see that changing for me.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 17:37:41 »

I’m not a huge fan of some organs, and tend to let someone who prefers them have them. But it seems crazy that people (for instance) refuse to even try the tripe/tendons/etc. in Vietnamese phở, or are horrified to eat chicken or pig feet. Few of my American friends will even take a bite of a brain taco (by the way, a couple brain tacos are delicious, but I recommend against getting a whole brain burrito, it’s just too rich), and you can forget about getting people to try fried insects (though headless shrimp and lobsters are just fine apparently; by the way, throw those shrimp heads in a stir fry or soup; even if you don’t want to eat the shrimp heads, they add great flavor to whatever they’re cooked with).

I had a turkey gizzard for the first time a few weeks ago, and it tasted just like regular turkey.  We freak out about where the food comes from for some reason.  It's a bit silly to me, since I assume most of it tastes just fine.  But oh well.
Our culture associates anything gross looking as being gross. And it's only "gross looking" because we were told that growing up and our parents also. I'm victim to it. It's too bad too cuz I'm sure most of it is delicious. I just can't stomach it because of these instilled believes. My mind is more powerful than my taste buds and stomach apparently. And I don't see that changing for me.

Oh, I'm completely the same way, I didn't mean to come off as not suffering from that.  But after trying a few things recently that I didn't like *purely because of looks* (guacamole, for starters), I've realized that it's dumb and have taken a completely different approach.  Mind over matter, YM!

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 18:10:55 »

I’m not a huge fan of some organs, and tend to let someone who prefers them have them. But it seems crazy that people (for instance) refuse to even try the tripe/tendons/etc. in Vietnamese phở, or are horrified to eat chicken or pig feet. Few of my American friends will even take a bite of a brain taco (by the way, a couple brain tacos are delicious, but I recommend against getting a whole brain burrito, it’s just too rich), and you can forget about getting people to try fried insects (though headless shrimp and lobsters are just fine apparently; by the way, throw those shrimp heads in a stir fry or soup; even if you don’t want to eat the shrimp heads, they add great flavor to whatever they’re cooked with).

I had a turkey gizzard for the first time a few weeks ago, and it tasted just like regular turkey.  We freak out about where the food comes from for some reason.  It's a bit silly to me, since I assume most of it tastes just fine.  But oh well.
Our culture associates anything gross looking as being gross. And it's only "gross looking" because we were told that growing up and our parents also. I'm victim to it. It's too bad too cuz I'm sure most of it is delicious. I just can't stomach it because of these instilled believes. My mind is more powerful than my taste buds and stomach apparently. And I don't see that changing for me.

Oh, I'm completely the same way, I didn't mean to come off as not suffering from that.  But after trying a few things recently that I didn't like *purely because of looks* (guacamole, for starters), I've realized that it's dumb and have taken a completely different approach.  Mind over matter, YM!

While I have tried my share of different meats such as beaver, duck, goose, deer, bison, racoon, moose, and pheasent along with others, most I just don't care for the taste of.  Now smoked turkey and chicken gizzards and hearts are amazing.  I really don't like liver though.  Just can't stand the taste along with the texture.  I have had foods where the taste was great but the texture almost made me puke.  I mean hit my gag reflex and ad to hold back dry heaves.  The worst one here was they type of sushi with raw fish/shrimp sitting on top a ball of sticky rice.  The flavor was amazing but the sticky rice almost make me puke.  Swordfish is awesome eating as well.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 18:16:02 »
I have had foods where the taste was great but the texture almost made me puke.  I mean hit my gag reflex and ad to hold back dry heaves.  The worst one here was they type of sushi with raw fish/shrimp sitting on top a ball of sticky rice.  The flavor was amazing but the sticky rice almost make me puke.  Swordfish is awesome eating as well.
That’s what “sushi” is: raw fish sitting on a blob of vinegar rice. The part you couldn’t handle was the rice part, or the fish? The rice in sushi doesn’t seem particularly unusual to me, so it’s kinda surprising that it would elicit a gag reflex. Perhaps you’d prefer sashimi, which is just the sliced raw fish by itself.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 18:18:16 »
testing my duck avatar don't mind me  :p

edit: he isn't transparent  :'(

edit2: now it worked sorry for invading thread
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #75 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 18:35:11 »
While I have tried my share of different meats such as beaver, duck, goose, deer, bison, racoon, moose, and pheasent along with others, most I just don't care for the taste of.  Now smoked turkey and chicken gizzards and hearts are amazing.  I really don't like liver though.  Just can't stand the taste along with the texture.  I have had foods where the taste was great but the texture almost made me puke.  I mean hit my gag reflex and ad to hold back dry heaves.  The worst one here was they type of sushi with raw fish/shrimp sitting on top a ball of sticky rice.  The flavor was amazing but the sticky rice almost make me puke.  Swordfish is awesome eating as well.

Texture and taste are still huge factors that we can't ignore.  I was referring to not liking something because it just sounds weird.  And echoing jacobolus' comment, it's odd that you had texture issues with the sushi rice.  It's always felt more or less very similar to regular rice to me.

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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #76 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 22:29:14 »
I am OK with a lot of the non-muscle meats, but tripe (aka chitterlings aka chit'lin's - I am from the South) has a texture that really does stimulate my gag reflex. And I don't get the kidneys thing either - they always taste of urine to me.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 22:30:34 »
I am OK with a lot of the non-muscle meats, but tripe (aka chitterlings aka chit'lin's - I am from the South) has a texture that really does stimulate my gag reflex. And I don't get the kidneys thing either - they always taste of urine to me.


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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #78 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 22:33:43 »
I am OK with a lot of the non-muscle meats, but tripe (aka chitterlings aka chit'lin's - I am from the South) has a texture that really does stimulate my gag reflex. And I don't get the kidneys thing either - they always taste of urine to me.


LOVE tripe - in tacos EXTRA crispy - tastes like bacon :)



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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #79 on: Fri, 19 December 2014, 22:43:54 »
I am OK with a lot of the non-muscle meats, but tripe (aka chitterlings aka chit'lin's - I am from the South) has a texture that really does stimulate my gag reflex.
I hear you. I can eat a medium sized bowl of menudo (beef tripe soup), no problem, but if I try to eat a large bowl of menudo, about 2/3 of the way through I’ve definitely had enough.

However, there are many ways to prepare tripe, and in Vietnamese noodle soup, or in tacos, the texture is totally different. Or try deep frying tripe sometime.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 20 December 2014, 00:11:11 »
I have had foods where the taste was great but the texture almost made me puke.  I mean hit my gag reflex and ad to hold back dry heaves.  The worst one here was they type of sushi with raw fish/shrimp sitting on top a ball of sticky rice.  The flavor was amazing but the sticky rice almost make me puke.  Swordfish is awesome eating as well.
That’s what “sushi” is: raw fish sitting on a blob of vinegar rice. The part you couldn’t handle was the rice part, or the fish? The rice in sushi doesn’t seem particularly unusual to me, so it’s kinda surprising that it would elicit a gag reflex. Perhaps you’d prefer sashimi, which is just the sliced raw fish by itself.

Thank you for the clarification on the difference.  It was the rice that got me.  The stuff I had was extremely stickey.  It is hard to describe but it all stuck together and was very starchy.  The flavor of the fish was excellent though.
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« Reply #81 on: Sat, 20 December 2014, 00:57:59 »
I guess to be technical, there are a few types of sushi, including those little fried tofu pouches full of rice, and rice + fish wrapped in seaweed rolls, etc. But if you go to a good sushi restaurant and order a “sushi dinner” (or whatever similar thing), you’ll mostly be getting a bunch of blobs of rice with fish on top (“nigiri”), and possibly also a couple of rolls.

Sushi quality has a pretty enormous variance from one restaurant to another, more even than most foods, IMO. The most obvious difference between good and mediocre sushi is how good and how fresh the fish is. But there can also be a pretty big difference in the texture/flavor/temperature of the rice. I’ve never felt any kind of gag reflex from eating rice, but I’ve definitely had sushi before where the rice seemed badly prepared and wasn’t too appetizing. It is supposed to be sticky though, so it’s also possible it’s just not your thing.

I recommend at least once sometime, when you’re in a city near the ocean with a big Japanese population, going to a great sushi restaurant and trying it again. Sometimes the prices get pretty steep, but really good sushi is an amazing experience.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 20 December 2014, 01:53:18 »
I have had foods where the taste was great but the texture almost made me puke.  I mean hit my gag reflex and ad to hold back dry heaves.  The worst one here was they type of sushi with raw fish/shrimp sitting on top a ball of sticky rice.  The flavor was amazing but the sticky rice almost make me puke.  Swordfish is awesome eating as well.
That’s what “sushi” is: raw fish sitting on a blob of vinegar rice. The part you couldn’t handle was the rice part, or the fish? The rice in sushi doesn’t seem particularly unusual to me, so it’s kinda surprising that it would elicit a gag reflex. Perhaps you’d prefer sashimi, which is just the sliced raw fish by itself.

Thank you for the clarification on the difference.  It was the rice that got me.  The stuff I had was extremely stickey.  It is hard to describe but it all stuck together and was very starchy.  The flavor of the fish was excellent though.


jeebus.

you're ridiculously far inland to be eating sushi.  if you've never had sushi in a pacific coastal city with a large asian population, you've essentially been eating dogfood.  i am not surprised if you just had subpar rice.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 20 December 2014, 08:04:32 »
awww, shrimp brains are one of the tastiest things on the planet.
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Re: Yay for fatsos!
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 20 December 2014, 11:15:38 »
I never make the sushi..

I just buy a few packs of different sushi fish, tuna, salmon, eel..

Then I make the rice.. crush up some seaweed and salt and sugar and vinegar into it..

Then go to town..

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« Reply #85 on: Sat, 20 December 2014, 11:25:50 »
I have had foods where the taste was great but the texture almost made me puke.  I mean hit my gag reflex and ad to hold back dry heaves.  The worst one here was they type of sushi with raw fish/shrimp sitting on top a ball of sticky rice.  The flavor was amazing but the sticky rice almost make me puke.  Swordfish is awesome eating as well.
That’s what “sushi” is: raw fish sitting on a blob of vinegar rice. The part you couldn’t handle was the rice part, or the fish? The rice in sushi doesn’t seem particularly unusual to me, so it’s kinda surprising that it would elicit a gag reflex. Perhaps you’d prefer sashimi, which is just the sliced raw fish by itself.

Thank you for the clarification on the difference.  It was the rice that got me.  The stuff I had was extremely stickey.  It is hard to describe but it all stuck together and was very starchy.  The flavor of the fish was excellent though.


jeebus.

you're ridiculously far inland to be eating sushi.  if you've never had sushi in a pacific coastal city with a large asian population, you've essentially been eating dogfood.  i am not surprised if you just had subpar rice.

I had that when I was stationed in Jacksonville, FL.  Though we do have a sushi bar here in town that is supposedly pretty good, but the wife doesn't like it.  Just not a big fan of fish to begin with.
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