Your thoughts on Guy-Liner

[tp4tissue]

I've seen it on tv... well it's tv, guess that's ok..

But then I saw it AFK..   and it's just really weird... 

as if the message was, "a girl trapped in a guy's body"...


It's not that the guy looked ugly..  the connotation is just really off.. And you can't even take the dude seriously..


Never have I ever wanted to smack someone across the face HARD, and say Man Up..



I'm not saying guy-liner is un-manly..  but when you see it Live,  it's jarring to say the least..

[Oobly]

Worked for Peter Furler of the Newsboys, but that's a stage persona thing. IRL, on the streets, in public, etc it just looks... wrong. Fully agree with you there.

[The Mad Professor]

Makeup in general is okay for men who are on TV often. However, if you're not on camera, take that **** off.

[StylinGreymon]

People should wear less makeup in general.

I don't get how we got to the point where people have to wear makeup in order to feel good about themselves, or to be considered a person that takes care of themselves.

It's ridiculous.

[tp4tissue]

People should wear less makeup in general.

I don't get how we got to the point where people have to wear makeup in order to feel good about themselves, or to be considered a person that takes care of themselves.

It's ridiculous.

NONONO..  they FEEEL awful about themselves....  BEFORE and AFTER they put on the makeup..


That's an unspoken thing among modern women..


The lie they often tell... when you ask..  why you wear all that **** on your face.. (of course not in that wording.)

-- It highlights my features

-- It makes me feel more confident



Those may have been the INTENTION...  but that is NOT what makeup does..

Functionally, makeup reproportions the relative visual centers of mass on one's face through contrast adjustment..

But the only thing that actually comes out of this is to provide a slight veil over the MASSIVE insecurity that pervade the modern female psyche..


and you know what... it does not work 99% of the time..

Because most generally, if you are OFF from the hollywood figure it's due to SHAPE..  so the perceived change in contrast is useless when there is bright lighting..

If you've ever seen a woman avoid bright lights.. yea.. she's afraid that it'd alter the contrast tones she's using on her face..

Bright lights, will cause natural contrast, when this clashes with makeup, it destroys the illusions..  There is also NO WAY you can apply makeup for ALL lighting situations..


if you've ever seen a woman turn in a certain direction abruptly for no apparent reason, or choose where to sit at a table that is in conflict with closest distance..  YOU got a really insecure female.

[Novus]

Guys that wear guy-liner are abominations that should go die and burn.
Whatever, it's not like keyboard dwellers leave their basements anyways.

[Hellcatz]

Hitler^^^^?

Back on topic, I guess its all right if its in Korea and Japan where it was first started. Gotta be better then cross dressing like they do in Japanese rock... but the Japanese do a lot of weird **** anyway so its balances out?

[tp4tissue]

Hitler^^^^?

Back on topic, I guess its all right if its in Korea and Japan where it was first started. Gotta be better then cross dressing like they do in Japanese rock... but the Japanese do a lot of weird **** anyway so its balances out?

Yes, hitler did have the opinion, makeup is for ****s.. 

That's a bit extreme.... I think his point was more that ****s use makeup for a specific purpose.. while a strong woman should instead seek to do more with her life...

IDK.. not the xpert on that madman , I never got around to reading up on Hitler-himself, I was focused on european economics during skool..



I'm not against makeup.. but the great result of hollywood culture has turned female kind from potential lionesses into  rabbits..

-- that is the part I'm not down with..

[jacobolus]

No one should feel pressured to wear makeup, but I hate to break it to you TP: women actually get treated substantially differently when they wear different amounts of makeup. Sure, there’s some extent to which the entire makeup industry is a marketing driven scam designed to bilk people out of their cash. But there’s also tremendous social pressure to conform by wearing makeup, heels, certain styles of clothes, have hair styled in particular ways, etc. In some careers and in some contexts it’s a huge faux pas to not match the current fashion.

It’s not just women that are hugely insecure... pretty much everyone is socially insecure. Men do just as much stupid **** as women do for the sake of conforming to social expectations. Not to mention men also tend to conform to the fashionable style of clothing/hair/grooming/etc. in their subculture or occupation. For instance, many men spend absurd amounts of money and effort on hair growth products or hair transplants, because they’re afraid that a bald head, or even just a receding hairline, will be socially harmful. Both men and women often dye their hair to keep looking younger.

Personally, I find makeup almost always looks gross, on men or women, even when it’s just a little bit “tastefully” applied, and I think people getting plastic surgery or hair transplants, dying hair to avoid looking gray, taking steroids or working out an unreasonable amount just to look buff, etc. are silly wastes of money and effort and typically a sign of vanity.

But I try not to judge people who are basing their decisions on different criteria than my personal preferences.

Guys that wear guy-liner are abominations that should go die and burn.

WTF? Why in the world do you care if someone wants to coat their face in goop? It’s not like it does you any harm. People need to stop being judgmental ****s.

If someone wants to have a mullet or a mohawk, or wear a kilt, or put tattoos all over their face, or paint their arms with green and orange stripes, or wear makeup, sure they end up looking silly, but why is it anyone else’s business.

[tbc]

makeup on tv to counteract the effect of harsh lighting is completely acceptable (aka normalizing your appearance).  makeup to change your appearance (outside of a performance) is ridiculous.  for the record, i will say face painting for a sports game is a type of performance.


makeup means not real.  i try to treat people as real people; i can't understand why they don't treat themselves as real people*.

*i'm talking philosophically here, i completely understand how judgemental people are in society.

[IvanIvanovich]

Yeh I know right... that **** is like sooooooooooooooooo 18th century!

[jacobolus]

makeup to change your appearance (outside of a performance) is ridiculous. makeup means not real.  i try to treat people as real people; i can't understand why they don't treat themselves as real people*.

*i'm talking philosophically here, i completely understand how judgemental people are in society.

Okay, but the same goes for many things people do. For instance, doing schoolwork for the grade instead of for the sake of the work itself (or doing bull**** schoolwork at all), taking a job purely for the money when you’re smart and well connected enough to do something interesting and valuable (e.g. working as an investment banker, business consultant, or venture capitalist), driving around a fancy car or an SUV instead of a simple gets-the-job-done car (or a bike), marrying someone who is rich/attractive while overlooking their awful sense of humor and ****ty personality, paying large amounts of money to throw a lavish wedding party, going on cruises, taking vacations to fake places (e.g. Cancún, Las Vegas), spending massive amounts of time reading facebook and posting inane stuff there, writing garbage academic papers just to earn points in the publish-or-perish system instead of doing useful science, &c. &c. &c.

The fact is, an awful lot of what people do is complete bull**** whose only real purpose is gaining social status or scoring meaningless points in some game or another. Money and social status are useful for some things,  but most people in the world treat them as ends in themselves. For a child it’s an interesting intellectual puzzle to figure out how social games work and how to earn some points, and some adults are able to leverage their imaginary points to do good work or help other people, but ultimately the points are hollow and meaningless and effort spent on them that could have been spent elsewhere is IMO wasting life.

The only reasonable reaction in my opinion is to try to understand why people’s priorities are so messed up, and to be generous about giving them the benefit of the doubt. It’s usually not entirely their own fault that they’re shallow, insecure, and overly worried about shiny things. That’s how we’ve (as a society) raised them to be.

Anyway, compared to all the other bull**** in the world, putting on makeup is pretty minor.

[tbc]

oh, i completely agree with those other things being bull**** too.  for the sake being on topic, i didn't bother mentioning them.

nowhere did i say the worst thing to do was put on makeup or that you're a bad person for using it.

EDIT:


...i even said i ubderstood why you would...

[jacobolus]

nowhere did i say the worst thing to do was put on makeup or that you're a bad person for using it.

Yeah. You said it’s not treating yourself as a real person. I’m just pointing out that much of what people do is similar, and makeup is relatively trivial compared to e.g. spending $50k+ on a wedding, buying a giant 5-bedroom house for a family of 3, or spending a whole career working on Wall Street.

Anyway, I think we’re on the same page.

[Novus]

No one should feel pressured to wear makeup, but I hate to break it to you TP: women actually get treated substantially differently when they wear different amounts of makeup. Sure, there’s some extent to which the entire makeup industry is a marketing driven scam designed to bilk people out of their cash. But there’s also tremendous social pressure to conform by wearing makeup, heels, certain styles of clothes, have hair styled in particular ways, etc. In some careers and in some contexts it’s a huge faux pas to not match the current fashion.

It’s not just women that are hugely insecure... pretty much everyone is socially insecure. Men do just as much stupid **** as women do for the sake of conforming to social expectations. Not to mention men also tend to conform to the fashionable style of clothing/hair/grooming/etc. in their subculture or occupation. For instance, many men spend absurd amounts of money and effort on hair growth products or hair transplants, because they’re afraid that a bald head, or even just a receding hairline, will be socially harmful. Both men and women often dye their hair to keep looking younger.

Personally, I find makeup almost always looks gross, on men or women, even when it’s just a little bit “tastefully” applied, and I think people getting plastic surgery or hair transplants, dying hair to avoid looking gray, taking steroids or working out an unreasonable amount just to look buff, etc. are silly wastes of money and effort and typically a sign of vanity.

But I try not to judge people who are basing their decisions on different criteria than my personal preferences.

Guys that wear guy-liner are abominations that should go die and burn.

WTF? Why in the world do you care if someone wants to coat their face in goop? It’s not like it does you any harm. People need to stop being judgmental ****s.

If someone wants to have a mullet or a mohawk, or wear a kilt, or put tattoos all over their face, or paint their arms with green and orange stripes, or wear makeup, sure they end up looking silly, but why is it anyone else’s business.

Christ you're a bit a dunce aren't you.

The bottom line is I don't care how people dress. What you've said is pretty much the rhetorical context of what I wrote.

The issue is that you're an over-reacter that loves to argue  and don't realize when people are actually agreeing and making the same point as you.

[noisyturtle]

Just looked it up.

That's some gay-ass ****. If you wear guy-lined I will assume you just love smoking cock.

Was actually expecting something that contains swamp crotch and keeps your underwear dry or something.

[jacobolus]

Guys that wear guy-liner are abominations that should go die and burn.

WTF? Why in the world do you care if someone wants to coat their face in goop? It’s not like it does you any harm. People need to stop being judgmental ****s.

Christ you're a bit a dunce aren't you. The issue is that you're an over-reacter that loves to argue  and don't realize when people are actually agreeing and making the same point as you.

You got me! HAHAHA. Those people should go die and burn. HAHAHA. What a funny joke.

[Novus]

You're forgetting the basement part which adds the rhetorical context that they're not bothering you.
Oh god, typical SF mentality. Nit picky and has to be butthurt over everything.

[jacobolus]

Oh god, typical SF mentality. Nit picky and has to be butthurt over everything.

Troll harder next time buddy. Butts are just fine over here and no one wants to go anywhere near your nits.

[paicrai]

all about that guy-liner

[R1N3]

Shoutouts to ur boi AKA Guyliner Official

[PunksDead]

hate it,

my favorite band did this when myspace was huge, i like to think they could have been bigger if they avoided the guyliner...

[osi]

Each morning after putting on my panties, guy-liner is the next thing that I take care of

[Lurch]