The problem with Eating healthy..

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

meat and potatoes are good...

but i also like brussels sprouts... good flavor for a vegetable

Needs a bit of care cooking though, overcooked tastes a lot worse than most overcooked veggies imo. But also I think it's a bit more expensive. I find broccoli/cauliflower/carrots to be the best balance in volume/density and price when trying to eat healthy for cheaper.

yeah, the mixed veggies are usually what i end up with... brussels sprouts are only on special occasions...

[SpAmRaY]

I will eat green beans, if they are cooked with onions and bacon. My wife protests, saying that adding bacon defeats the purpose of eating the green beans. I disagree, saying that it's better to eat green beans with bacon, than not to eat the green beans at all.

I don't eat the strips of bacon once cooked, it just adds flavor to the green beans.

bacon makes so many things taste better

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I will eat green beans, if they are cooked with onions and bacon. My wife protests, saying that adding bacon defeats the purpose of eating the green beans. I disagree, saying that it's better to eat green beans with bacon, than not to eat the green beans at all.

I don't eat the strips of bacon once cooked, it just adds flavor to the green beans.

bacon makes so many things taste better

bacon = wonderfood

[jacobolus]

tp4: Your pure ramen diet is a bad idea. You’d do a lot better on this stuff: http://www.soylent.me

jd: Your wife is being silly. Pork fat is not only delicious, it’s also a great way to fill yourself up. Green beans and onions cooked with a slice of bacon (and go ahead and eat the bacon with it) is better for you than a slice of bread or a bowl of rice or cereal.

People need a certain amount of carbohydrate, but it’s easy to get enough carbohydrate from a banana, a carrot, or some spinach. Starchy foods like bread, pasta, porridge, mashed potatoes, cassava, taro, rice, etc. are fine in moderation, but they’re much worse, nutritionally, than getting the same amount of carbohydrate from veggies (and let’s not even talk about cake, pie, cookies, chips, soda, candy, sorbet, ...). Eating a bowl of oatmeal or ramen, or a plate of fried rice or spaghetti for every meal is a bad idea.

Starches are basically peasant food: they’re what people in agricultural societies eat because it’s the cheapest or often the only food available. Our society is now rich enough for most people to afford getting their calories from much healthier sources like tomatoes and green beans and avocados and cheese and bacon and chicken skin, instead of bagels.

[jdcarpe]

But Soylent Green is people! It's people!

[smknjoe]

tp4: Your pure ramen diet is a bad idea. You�d do a lot better on this stuff: http://www.soylent.me

jd: Your wife is being silly. Pork fat is not only delicious, it�s also a great way to fill yourself up. Green beans and onions cooked with a slice of bacon (and go ahead and eat the bacon with it) is better for you than a slice of bread or a bowl of rice or cereal.

People need a certain amount of carbohydrate, but it�s easy to get enough carbohydrate from a banana, a carrot, or some spinach. Starchy foods like bread, pasta, porridge, mashed potatoes, cassava, taro, rice, etc. are fine in moderation, but they�re much worse, nutritionally, than getting the same amount of carbohydrate from veggies (and let�s not even talk about cake, pie, cookies, chips, soda, candy, sorbet, ...). Eating a bowl of oatmeal or ramen, or a plate of fried rice or spaghetti for every meal is a bad idea.

Starches are basically peasant food: they�re what people in agricultural societies eat because it�s the cheapest or often the only food available. Our society is now rich enough for most people to afford getting their calories from much healthier sources like tomatoes and green beans and avocados and cheese and bacon and chicken skin, instead of bagels.

This guy has his facts straight. Unfortunately, it's hard to get people to accept or even consider views that are not "main stream" even though more and more data continues to support such views.

[Melvang]

tp4: Your pure ramen diet is a bad idea. You�d do a lot better on this stuff: http://www.soylent.me

jd: Your wife is being silly. Pork fat is not only delicious, it�s also a great way to fill yourself up. Green beans and onions cooked with a slice of bacon (and go ahead and eat the bacon with it) is better for you than a slice of bread or a bowl of rice or cereal.

People need a certain amount of carbohydrate, but it�s easy to get enough carbohydrate from a banana, a carrot, or some spinach. Starchy foods like bread, pasta, porridge, mashed potatoes, cassava, taro, rice, etc. are fine in moderation, but they�re much worse, nutritionally, than getting the same amount of carbohydrate from veggies (and let�s not even talk about cake, pie, cookies, chips, soda, candy, sorbet, ...). Eating a bowl of oatmeal or ramen, or a plate of fried rice or spaghetti for every meal is a bad idea.

Starches are basically peasant food: they�re what people in agricultural societies eat because it�s the cheapest or often the only food available. Our society is now rich enough for most people to afford getting their calories from much healthier sources like tomatoes and green beans and avocados and cheese and bacon and chicken skin, instead of bagels.

This guy has his facts straight. Unfortunately, it's hard to get people to accept or even consider views that are not "main stream" even though more and more data continues to support such views.

Pretty much, just look at the anti-vaxxer crowd.

[smknjoe]

Aren't anti-vaxers in the minority? I don't keep track since I don't have any small kids.

[noisyturtle]

Yes, eating nothing but Top Ramen for a long time will actually make you feel physically ill. You need to take a daily multivitamin double dose if you're going to do that.

[SpAmRaY]

tp4: Your pure ramen diet is a bad idea. You�d do a lot better on this stuff: http://www.soylent.me

jd: Your wife is being silly. Pork fat is not only delicious, it�s also a great way to fill yourself up. Green beans and onions cooked with a slice of bacon (and go ahead and eat the bacon with it) is better for you than a slice of bread or a bowl of rice or cereal.

People need a certain amount of carbohydrate, but it�s easy to get enough carbohydrate from a banana, a carrot, or some spinach. Starchy foods like bread, pasta, porridge, mashed potatoes, cassava, taro, rice, etc. are fine in moderation, but they�re much worse, nutritionally, than getting the same amount of carbohydrate from veggies (and let�s not even talk about cake, pie, cookies, chips, soda, candy, sorbet, ...). Eating a bowl of oatmeal or ramen, or a plate of fried rice or spaghetti for every meal is a bad idea.

Starches are basically peasant food: they�re what people in agricultural societies eat because it�s the cheapest or often the only food available. Our society is now rich enough for most people to afford getting their calories from much healthier sources like tomatoes and green beans and avocados and cheese and bacon and chicken skin, instead of bagels.

This guy has his facts straight. Unfortunately, it's hard to get people to accept or even consider views that are not "main stream" even though more and more data continues to support such views.

Pretty much, just look at the anti-vaxxer crowd.

I have one of those in the family.....she also only uses 'essential oils' instead of antibiotics....she's always talking about having natural this and natural that.....

[Melvang]

Aren't anti-vaxers in the minority? I don't keep track since I don't have any small kids.

They are but the main stream science behind the stupidity of 99% of their reasons will not get through their head.

Yes, eating nothing but Top Ramen for a long time will actually make you feel physically ill. You need to take a daily multivitamin double dose if you're going to do that.

Still not good for you with that many carbs in your diet and that much salt.

[CPTBadAss]

On the topic of eating healthy on a budget. The last time this came up, I brought this up and I'll do it again. Look up the SNAP or Food Stamp Challenge. Another good read is is this article where the mother spends $125/week to feed a family of four.

[Bromono]

"If there is a will; there is a way."
"You are what you eat"

It's about mindset.

Diets are temporary and typically don't work. It is a life style.

Watched a seminar on TED talk by Tim Ferris. Changed my life forever. Bought all his books and have not looked back since.   

I was hovering close to 200 pounds. I am now sitting happy at a lean 160.

I cheat on saturdays. Eat whatever I want, and lots of it. I eat so much that I don't want to touch it for another week.

I also have mandatory PT 3 times a week and work out on my own twice a week. so that helps to.

[drewba]

On the topic of eating healthy on a budget. The last time this came up, I brought this up and I'll do it again. Look up the SNAP or Food Stamp Challenge. Another good read is is this article where the mother spends $125/week to feed a family of four.

Thanks for the link, it's really well done. I like that it's written in blog form so she's sharing her ups & downs and real life observations. Bookmarking to finish later.

[tbc]

I will eat green beans, if they are cooked with onions and bacon. My wife protests, saying that adding bacon defeats the purpose of eating the green beans.

that mindset really annoys me.  she's [sorta] right if she were talking about weightloss, but in terms of nutrient uptake, not at all.

[drewba]

I will eat green beans, if they are cooked with onions and bacon. My wife protests, saying that adding bacon defeats the purpose of eating the green beans.

that mindset really annoys me.  she's [sorta] right if she were talking about weightloss, but in terms of nutrient uptake, not at all.

Yep! And even if she is talking about weight loss, as long as bacon falls within your allotted calories/macros, you're fine.

[munch]

in Sweden where I am from, it is more than 2x as cheap to buy and prep food at home than eating unhealthy prepared pre-made foods.
and it is also that in Canada, food there is pretty cheap compared to Sweden though. especially if you shop the ethnic stores, I got some crazy deals. probably under 50 a week for food total and I love to eat good food, so it wasn't just cheaping out as much as possible, but actually eating well and healthy.

[Lain1911]

I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry. You can still eat pork, steak, fish etc. Just don't be a glutton and figure out what makes you gain weight more than other foods.

[tbc]

I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry

[tp4tissue]

I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry

whawt?..

I don't pee every 2 hours..  maybe 3-5 hours...

Are you sure about this..

[tbc]

I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry

whawt?..

I don't pee every 2 hours..  maybe 3-5 hours...

Are you sure about this..

VERY many people are dehydrated.

the better test is if your pee is yellow then you're dehydrated.  mostly clear with slight yellow tinging is good, totally clear is probably bad if it goes on for too many days(not entirely sure)

[tp4tissue]

"If there is a will; there is a way."
"You are what you eat"

It's about mindset.

Diets are temporary and typically don't work. It is a life style.

Watched a seminar on TED talk by Tim Ferris. Changed my life forever. Bought all his books and have not looked back since.   

I was hovering close to 200 pounds. I am now sitting happy at a lean 160.

I cheat on saturdays. Eat whatever I want, and lots of it. I eat so much that I don't want to touch it for another week.

I also have mandatory PT 3 times a week and work out on my own twice a week. so that helps to.

which ted talk..

[tbc]

yellow pee talk

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dehydration/basics/symptoms/con-20030056

[jacobolus]

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry  [...] VERY many people are dehydrated.

Like most things, humans can cope with a pretty wide range of water input. If your urine is very dark and you have a dry mouth, dry skin, and constant headaches, and you feel very thirsty, then sure, you’re probably dehydrated, and there’s nothing wrong with drinking a bunch more water, but it is absolutely not necessary to always have totally clear urine or be peeing every 2 hours.

Indeed, even if you’re getting more than enough water, peeing every 2 hours is behavioral conditioning, rather than an urgent need. People start to feel like they should pee when their bladder is nowhere close to full. Even if you think you need to pee every 2 hours, you could probably learn wait 6 or 8 hours to pee, and be just fine.

Of course, there’s very little harm in drinking 3x more water than you need and peeing constantly, if that’s what you’re into. Knock yourself out.

[Melvang]

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry  [...] VERY many people are dehydrated.

Like most things, humans can cope with a pretty wide range of water input. If your urine is very dark and you have a dry mouth, dry skin, and constant headaches, and you feel very thirsty, then sure, you’re probably dehydrated, and there’s nothing wrong with drinking a bunch more water, but it is absolutely not necessary to always have totally clear urine or be peeing every 2 hours.

Indeed, even if you’re getting more than enough water, peeing every 2 hours is behavioral conditioning, rather than an urgent need. People start to feel like they should pee when their bladder is nowhere close to full. Even if you think you pee every 2 hours, you could probably learn wait 6 or 8 hours to pee, and be just fine.

Pretty much this.  When I was working on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, it was the hottest working enviroment I have ever been in.  Worse than doing industrial construction in a foundry.  I would drink 6 liters of water in a 12 hour shift and only pee at lunch and when I got off.  Both times only a slight tint of yellow.  Not dehydrated.

[Lain1911]

I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry

whawt?..

I don't pee every 2 hours..  maybe 3-5 hours...

Are you sure about this..

VERY many people are dehydrated.

the better test is if your pee is yellow then you're dehydrated.  mostly clear with slight yellow tinging is good, totally clear is probably bad if it goes on for too many days(not entirely sure)

What I mean is some people snack because there is food on the counter, or near the chair, or just lying around and they are not really hungry, but it's there, might as well eat it...

[fohat.digs]

Chemically, there is not a whole lot of difference between sweat and urine, although urine is more complex.

They are really serving somewhat similar functions in hot environments. If you drink 3 liters and sweat 3 liters, what is left over?

[tbc]

I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry

whawt?..

I don't pee every 2 hours..  maybe 3-5 hours...

Are you sure about this..

VERY many people are dehydrated.

the better test is if your pee is yellow then you're dehydrated.  mostly clear with slight yellow tinging is good, totally clear is probably bad if it goes on for too many days(not entirely sure)

What I mean is some people snack because there is food on the counter, or near the chair, or just lying around and they are not really hungry, but it's there, might as well eat it...

honestly, i've never understood that....

i've been known to get a craving, buy 4-6 chocolate bars, and put them on the coffee table.  3 weeks later, i eat 1.

Chemically, there is not a whole lot of difference between sweat and urine, although urine is more complex.

They are really serving somewhat similar functions in hot environments. If you drink 3 liters and sweat 3 liters, what is left over?

i'm not sure what you mean at all by this post.

sweat and urine are very different chemically.  they might have similiar components, but the quantity differences are important.

as for their usage.  it's a common myth that sweat's primary purpose( or even secondary) is to release toxins; that's the job of the kidneys and bladder.  the purpose of sweat is to keep a stable body temperatures to prevent protein denaturing ( and for chemical reactions.  it is the job of the liver to convert dangerous substances into safer forms that can be stored in the body till it is peed out.

sweating 3 liters is....ALOT of sweat*.  if you're sweating that much, you SHOULD be intaking alot more.  are we talking about survivalist situations?  from what I saw, 4 litres is what a hockey player will sweat during a game.  I've never seen someone refuse water or carefully measure their intake in that situation before; usually it's as much as they can drink within their break period.  someone drinking in exactly what they're sweating would be quite rare at that quantities outside of a lab.

*alot of sweat meaning that you would get sweat marks by giving this person a hug

[fohat.digs]

sweating 3 liters is....ALOT of sweat

All of your picky technicalities are correct, but I stand by my concept.

When I started Tae Kwon Do, I was really struggling in the early months. I am a big guy, but not obese. Out of curiosity, I sometimes weighed myself immediately before and after a training session.

After an intense 2-hour workout, there were several times that I had lost 3-1/2 pounds.

[tp4tissue]

sweating 3 liters is....ALOT of sweat

When I started Tae Kwon Do, I was really struggling in the early months. I am a big guy, but not obese. Out of curiosity, I sometimes weighed myself immediately before and after a training session.

After an intense 2-hour workout, there were several times that I had lost 3-1/2 pounds.

that would only be 1.5 liters of water.

[Melvang]

I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry

whawt?..

I don't pee every 2 hours..  maybe 3-5 hours...

Are you sure about this..

VERY many people are dehydrated.

the better test is if your pee is yellow then you're dehydrated.  mostly clear with slight yellow tinging is good, totally clear is probably bad if it goes on for too many days(not entirely sure)

What I mean is some people snack because there is food on the counter, or near the chair, or just lying around and they are not really hungry, but it's there, might as well eat it...

honestly, i've never understood that....

i've been known to get a craving, buy 4-6 chocolate bars, and put them on the coffee table.  3 weeks later, i eat 1.

Chemically, there is not a whole lot of difference between sweat and urine, although urine is more complex.

They are really serving somewhat similar functions in hot environments. If you drink 3 liters and sweat 3 liters, what is left over?

i'm not sure what you mean at all by this post.

sweat and urine are very different chemically.  they might have similiar components, but the quantity differences are important.

as for their usage.  it's a common myth that sweat's primary purpose( or even secondary) is to release toxins; that's the job of the kidneys and bladder.  the purpose of sweat is to keep a stable body temperatures to prevent protein denaturing ( and for chemical reactions.  it is the job of the liver to convert dangerous substances into safer forms that can be stored in the body till it is peed out.

sweating 3 liters is....ALOT of sweat*.  if you're sweating that much, you SHOULD be intaking alot more.  are we talking about survivalist situations?  from what I saw, 4 litres is what a hockey player will sweat during a game.  I've never seen someone refuse water or carefully measure their intake in that situation before; usually it's as much as they can drink within their break period.  someone drinking in exactly what they're sweating would be quite rare at that quantities outside of a lab.

*alot of sweat meaning that you would get sweat marks by giving this person a hug

The sweating 6 liters of water in a day was at work, not a survivalist situation.  The reason for the such measured intake of water was because I had a 3L capacity camel back, and I only had two opportunities to fill it, before work and at lunch.  This was on the flight deck of a US Navy air craft carrier where 120°F plus 95% humidity was not uncommon when off the coast of Kuwait.  On top of flight deck gear, and jet exhaust blowing on you, it gets damn hot.

[tp4tissue]

If chocolate bars come near me.. They will disappear in a few hours tops..

[dimmu]

the problem with eating healthy is i'm about to die of mercury poisoning in a few years due to exclusive eating of just canned tuna + oats.

[tp4tissue]

the problem with eating healthy is i'm about to die of mercury poisoning in a few years due to exclusive eating of just canned tuna + oats.

Hahahahahahahaha...  I guess, that shouldn't have been funny.. but for whatever reason.. It was..

Good post !!

[fohat.digs]

sweating 6 liters of water in a day

This makes me feel like a wimp in comparison.

[tp4tissue]

sweating 6 liters of water in a day

This makes me feel like a wimp in comparison.

I 'd believe maybe urinating 6 liters.. but I couldn't imagine sweating 6 liters.. that's insane..

[Elrick]

I 'd believe maybe urinating 6 liters.. but I couldn't imagine sweating 6 liters.. that's insane..

Try working in Pine Creek when it comes around February, up in the Northern Territory.   You literally sweat buckets and lose all body fat inside three months easily, it's a place where you either stay in air-conditioned offices or suffer the climate out side.

Mind you with all that water around you, mould and mildew is a pest.  I've lost numerous pairs of socks due to it growing and consuming the cotton weave fabric in my socks BUT I'm still required to wear them.  Sometimes I had to change 3 pairs of socks in one day so that my feet stay healthy and free of athletes foot.

[tp4tissue]

I 'd believe maybe urinating 6 liters.. but I couldn't imagine sweating 6 liters.. that's insane..

Try working in Pine Creek when it comes around February, up in the Northern Territory.   You literally sweat buckets and lose all body fat inside three months easily, it's a place where you either stay in air-conditioned offices or suffer the climate out side.

Mind you with all that water around you, mould and mildew is a pest.  I've lost numerous pairs of socks due to it growing and consuming the cotton weave fabric in my socks BUT I'm still required to wear them.  Sometimes I had to change 3 pairs of socks in one day so that my feet stay healthy and free of athletes foot.

Now I know why old people retire to sunny states, like florida..

 

[Melvang]

I 'd believe maybe urinating 6 liters.. but I couldn't imagine sweating 6 liters.. that's insane..

Try working in Pine Creek when it comes around February, up in the Northern Territory.   You literally sweat buckets and lose all body fat inside three months easily, it's a place where you either stay in air-conditioned offices or suffer the climate out side.

Mind you with all that water around you, mould and mildew is a pest.  I've lost numerous pairs of socks due to it growing and consuming the cotton weave fabric in my socks BUT I'm still required to wear them.  Sometimes I had to change 3 pairs of socks in one day so that my feet stay healthy and free of athletes foot.

I have always been told from high school on that peeing on your feet in the shower will keep athletes foot from taking hold.

[fohat.digs]

I love this thread.

[Elrick]

I have always been told from high school on that peeing on your feet in the shower will keep athletes foot from taking hold.

Don't worry, my Mrs does it when we're in the bathroom together.  Talk about really enjoying some Golden Showers here in Perth  .

[MythicalWagyu]

I just read through this whole thread and learned a lot.... wtf is happening, educational informative tp4tissue threads??


Great stuff everyone

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[jacobolus]

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry

http://www.irunfar.com/2012/07/waterlogged-a-dogma-shattering-book.html