Do we send Men to Mars at all ?

[tp4tissue]

If one thinks about it..

Men on earth are not significantly stronger than women..   

___ Certainly not 2.63x stronger.. given Mars only has 38% the gravity of Earth


So, Women on mars would be FAR MORE than adequate for lifting heavy objects.. Especially since all equipment types and variants sent TO MARS, would be weight-reduced by design.


Given equivalent intellect, and now reduced physical load bearing requirement.. 

Wouldn't it make sense to start Mars colonies with an all-female cast, because increased production of native born martians would be far more efficient than Ferrying more humans there from Earth ..

The schedule would also only be dispensing females for several generations, before males become necessary, Possibly even a (Novelty)..



Every piece of equipment sent via rocket is Extraordinarily transport expensive, 

-----  Much like a Nuclear breeder reactors,  Women complete w/ repro-chamber is the best specced system for Colonization starters.

This is certainly the legitimate sci-fi basis for all female planets, exo-societies..

Thoughts ?

[TalkingTree]

Women on mars would be FAR MORE than adequate for lifting heavy objects..

True but only in the beginning. The human body has the peculiarity to adapt to the environment. Clearly adaptation to martian gravity doesn't take a day but perhaps several generations. Yet, at one point, there would be no tangible benefit of being a martian rather than a earthling (strictly mass and weight wise) because bones would become thinner and Mars-born humans would likely have a significant minor amount of muscles.

[p_blaze]

If one thinks about it..

Men on earth are not significantly stronger than women..   

___ Certainly not 2.63x stronger.. given Mars only has 38% the gravity of Earth


So, Women on mars would be FAR MORE than adequate for lifting heavy objects.. Especially since all equipment types and variant sent TO MARS, would be weight-reduced by design.


Given equivalent intellect, and now reduced physical load bearing requirement.. 

Wouldn't it make sense to start Mars colonies with an all-female cast, because increased production of native born martians would be far more efficient than Ferrying more humans there from Earth ..

The schedule would also only be dispensing females for several generations, before males become necessary, Possibly even a (Novelty)..



Since every piece of equipment sent via rocket is Extraordinarily transport expensive, 

-----  Much like a Nuclear breeder reactors,  Women complete w/ repro-chamber is the best specced system for Colonization starters.

This is certainly the legitimate sci-fi basis for all female planets, exo-societies..

Thoughts ?


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muscle atrophy
nice try tho

[tp4tissue]

Women on mars would be FAR MORE than adequate for lifting heavy objects..

True but only in the beginning. The human body has the peculiarity to adapt to the environment. Clearly adaptation to martian gravity doesn't take a day but perhaps several generations. Yet, at one point, there would be no tangible benefit of being a martian rather than a earthling (strictly mass and weight wise) because bones would become thinner and Mars-born humans would likely have a significant minor amount of muscles.

muscle atrophy
nice try tho

Well the reduction of muscle tone due to environment is certainly an issue,  but given the circumstances, we've got hormone therapy, and exercise has proven to work well even in 0-g space station, w/ up to 90% retainment.

So with only a slight bump in hormones , surely that 10% could be teased out..

Then ON MARS, everyone would be VERY physical all the time just walkin about and managing the colony systems, and mars DOES still have 38% gravity.

Everyone will get much more exercise than on the space-station.

[TalkingTree]

So with only a slight bump in hormones , surely that 10% could be teased out..

I made no calculations but I doubt it would be only 10% with almost a third of the earth's gravity.
Hormones assumption won't suffice alone, you truly need genetic engineering for the goals you're considering.
The only plausible body modification that we can expect, is a significant height increase.

[tp4tissue]

So with only a slight bump in hormones , surely that 10% could be teased out..

I made no calculations but I doubt it would be only 10% with almost a third of the earth's gravity.
Hormones assumption won't suffice alone, you truly need genetic engineering for the goals you're considering.
The only plausible body modification that we can expect, is a significant height increase.

Well, if we look at the result of hormone use On Earth,  it's likely we can get the 10+% ..

But we'll also have the 38% mars gravity in general,


So, the current ZERO-G exercise routine works anywhere between 70-90% retainment

+ Mars Gravity

+ Hormones


This seems likely to work.

And Even if we assume Men are stronger and remain slightly stronger on Mars,  they're not Stronger by THAT much to make the trade subtraction of 1x Repro-chamber on the female camp.

Given the low survivability of Colonization in general, physical strength is certainly not the most high priority

[TalkingTree]

If you look at the result of hormone therapy on Earth you would surely notice the large amount of side effects. Imagine how many more and more severe you would get with a more extended and intensive assumption.

[tp4tissue]

If you look at the result of hormone therapy on Earth you would surely notice the large amount of side effects. Imagine how many more and more severe you would get with a more extended and intensive assumption.

We're not going to know everything up front.

But my point is, hormone therapy will likely be a very small part of the necessary intervention in terms of strength preservation.


Because we DO have the 38% gravity, AND persistent exercise from the day to day.   Those two aspects alone may be enough.

[TalkingTree]

You're an optimist, I give you that but, as you stated, we're not going to know everything up front. There are too many variables to consider.
I love the topic though.

[tp4tissue]

You're an optimist, I give you that but, as you stated, we're not going to know everything up front. There are too many variables to consider.
I love the topic though.

Oh man.. could you imagine the Mars sitcoms coming out..

Hjahahahahhahahaa



867 women,  1 man, Named Chris..!!


hahahahahahaha 

[xtrafrood]

Possibly even a (Novelty)..

[clasicks]

Can we send tp4 with all the women?

[tp4tissue]

Can we send tp4 with all the women?

Sacrifice Tp4 for the Good of Humanity ??

day 47,  Tp4 wanted an extra Fig-Newton , but was out-voted by currently rising mars political party, council of moms ?

hahahaha

[clasicks]

you will start the new race of martians, maybe its a bad idea after all

[TalkingTree]

Can we send tp4 with all the women?

Sacrifice Tp4 for the Good of Humanity

day 47,  Tp4 wanted an extra Fig-Newton , but was out-voted by currently rising mars political party, council of moms ?

hahahaha ??

They're suggesting to send you all alone with 867 women and you call that a sacrifice?

[tp4tissue]

They're suggesting to send you all alone with 867 women and you call that a sacrifice?

It's a more dangerous mission than you think..  hahahahaha

[clasicks]

if said ladies were already carrying babies before leaving for mars, when they are born on mars are they earth children or martians?

[TalkingTree]

They're suggesting to send you all alone with 867 women and you call that a sacrifice?

It's a more dangerous mission than you think..  hahahahaha

Brave men know no danger and they seek glory.

[tp4tissue]

if said ladies were already carrying babies before leaving for mars, when they are born on mars are they earth children or martians?

Well, the notion of Nationalism has continuously been diluted,  so the concept as a whole may go out the window once we achieve multi-planetary.

We will still have the local designations,  but it will mean far less.  Much like, toyota vs honda,  It's a car,  now get to work,  Setup them thorium pods..

[chyros]

what is this I don't even

[p_blaze]

what is this I don't even

this isnt even one of the crazier ones mate
stop reading tp4's posts before it's too late

[Kavik]

One consideration: the Martian atmospheric pressure is less than 1% of Earth's, meaning people will have to wear pressure suits to avoid depressurization and radiation (also due to lack of magnetic field). This would increase the net weight and resistance of all movements when not in a base. Also, I've heard that bases might need to be underground to reduce radiation exposure. Closer to the center of the planet = stronger gravitational effect. I doubt either of these would make up for the huge difference in gravity, but they might have some effect.

Regarding populating Mars, the low gravity would probably have a weird effect on fetuses' development. I saw something once about how zero gravity would not allow a fetus to develop at all, so 1/3 G would probably at the least cause severe birth defects.

[tp4tissue]

One consideration: the Martian atmospheric pressure is less than 1% of Earth's, meaning people will have to wear pressure suits to avoid depressurization and radiation (also due to lack of magnetic field). This would increase the net weight and resistance of all movements when not in a base. Also, I've heard that bases might need to be underground to reduce radiation exposure. Closer to the center of the planet = stronger gravitational effect. I doubt either of these would make up for the huge difference in gravity, but they might have some effect.

Regarding populating Mars, the low gravity would probably have a weird effect on fetuses' development. I saw something once about how zero gravity would not allow a fetus to develop at all, so 1/3 G would probably at the least cause severe birth defects.

The CIA carried out and continues to carry out numerous --unethical-- medical experiments both on foreign soil and Domestic..

This is not conspiracy theory, the Declassified documents from the cold war clearly and uncontested-ly proves some native atrocities, and the Length to which large government agencies are psychopathic and thoroughly apathetic .

Overall, we're going to have to bite the bullet on some things..  it's inevitable..

[ygor]

men stink

pee yew

[KeLorean]

Are u proposing that men should knock up women and send them to Mars?
All kidding aside, I feel like this colonize Mars talk is ridiculous. We have an extraordinary planet that is lush with vegetation and teeming with wildlife that is good for food, clothing and shelter. Mars has none of this. Furthermore, we are destroy a prefrctly good planet so why would we be able to build a bad planet?

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[Coreda]

I hadn't noticed Mars' two gigantic nipples before

Real question is whether the face on the surface is male or female??

[tp4tissue]

I hadn't noticed Mars' two gigantic nipples before

Real question is whether the face on the surface is male or female??

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One can't say for sure, because even on earth, we have men that look like women, and women that looks like men..

That's why we have to GO TO MARS,  and get more soil samples.. !!

[Findecanor]

Mars needs women
Earth girls are easy

[clasicks]

I hadn't noticed Mars' two gigantic nipples before

Real question is whether the face on the surface is male or female??

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i am 99% sure that is kirkle

[Blaise170]

By the time we have colonies on Mars, we will probably also be far more cybernetic that we are now. I full expect space explorers to have mechanical implants which greatly assist us in day to day tasks.

[tp4tissue]

By the time we have colonies on Mars, we will probably also be far more cybernetic that we are now. I full expect space explorers to have mechanical implants which greatly assist us in day to day tasks.

we're gonna be on mars in 20 yrs according to Elon

[Blaise170]

By the time we have colonies on Mars, we will probably also be far more cybernetic that we are now. I full expect space explorers to have mechanical implants which greatly assist us in day to day tasks.

we're gonna be on mars in 20 yrs according to Elon

Look at how different our phones and computers are today compared to 1998.