Sigh... Worst Nightmare.

[tp4tissue]

https://allthingsnuclear.org/elyman/nuclear-power-safety-and-the-covid-19-pandemic

Nooq p0wr plants short staffed due to Covid.

Anthony Fauci is predicting 100,000 Dead from Covid alone. 

If in an even worse turn of events, we lose just 1 nooq-plant in meltdown, it's going to be approximately 1 million to 2 million new cancers (over the course of 10-50yrs).

We really need to turn these damn things off already, they're neither economical nor clean.

Plutonium has a NEGATIVE value on the market, you have to PAY people to take it.

This is the primary reason why France the poster child of Atmc Energy's, whose Energy company is wholly bankrupt over it. 

The same is the case with American Nooq companies GE and Westinghouse, both went bankrupt,  now owned by Japanese Toshiba and Hitachi.

[Coreda]

I thought you were on the nuclear bandwagon a few years ago, or was that someone else?

[tp4tissue]

I thought you were on the nuclear bandwagon a few years ago, or was that someone else?

Dat were someone else.

[jseyfert3]

We really need to turn these damn things off already, they're neither economical nor clean.

They produce 8% of the US total energy usage and 20% of our electricity production. You can't just snap your fingers and turn them off.

Would replacing them with coal and natural gas plants be clean? Because that's the alternative at the moment.

[tp4tissue]

Would replacing them with coal and natural gas plants be clean? Because that's the alternative at the moment.

Unfortunately that's not true.

Renewables,  Wind and Solar are significantly cheaper, and do not carry the RISK. Coal is not cleaner, but natural gas actually is. Nooqlar is only Deceptively clean in the operations stage, taking account for MINING and fuel production, each reactor is only an offset of global emmisions by ~ 0.007%,  we need 30-80% reduction in CO2 emmissions. Even with 1000 new reactors, we'd only get ~7% reduction.Nooq is not the answer.  And the safety history is horrendous, every 10 years one goes boom.

Renewables has already been well tested, for example Germany, they turned off all their reactors, and put in renewables, their power is now SO CHEAP, they're exporting power TO FRANCE, a mostly nuclear country with at one point 70-80% power from nooq. France where the nooq industry is bankrupt. America where the nooq industry is bankrupt sold to the Japanese,  Jpn where the nooq industry is NEAR bankruptcy.

ANY busted reactor costs ~$600 Billion to $1 Trillion to clean up.  That is what Jpn is currently looking at.

That liability is paid entirely by tax payers, because no insurance is willing to underwrite.

You have to understand, The industry is already busted. No new plants will ever be built in the USA, and ALL existing plants are dangerously close and operating past their designed life-span.

In terms of COST,  all waste has to be watched ACTIVELY for at least 10,000 years, Stored for 3 to 10 million years. 

The task negates ANY benefit/ power generation it has ever produced.

Think about it this way, If you buy a tractor, and you farm for 10 years, you have a net income.  NOW, this tractor is nuclear, and you have a spent fuel that needs to be Guarded by a SINGLE armed guard for 10,000 years.  How much does it cost to hire a single armed guard for 10,000 years,  and did you make enough money with that tractor to cover that cost. No, it's impossible.

Now multiply that by MILLIONS of POUNDS of high-lvl waste.   You have no idea of the Giant hole we're in due to the nooq-industry.




Remember primordial Earth was highly radioactive, and It took earth and nature 100s of millions of years to Bury that damn radioactivity and come up with WE, complex life. In pursuing large scale nooq power, we've undone a very important safety precaution.

[jseyfert3]

Hmm. Not exactly true. In the US we probably could replace nuclear power with renewable. That would take time of course. As I said, you can't just snap your fingers and shut off all the nuclear plants. Not without major rolling blackouts throughout the US.

Renewables are not significantly cheaper. In fact, they aren't cheaper, they are more expensive. The only reason the US has what commercial solar and wind is due pure and simple to subsidies from the US government to make it competitive with the free market. It's getting close to the free market being cheaper....just not quite there yet. Another decade or so probably. Germany uses subsidies for their renewable energy too btw.

A quick search shows that Germany has been a net power exporter for two decades, their large surge in renewable is not why they are exporting power. Sure, France might be importing power. They are a large portion nuclear, but that hasn't been growing, while power consumption certainly has (since power consumption per capita keeps growing around the world).

Last I knew GE wasn't bankrupt, and it wasn't owned by the Japanese either. Still located and headquartered in the US. Markopolos put out that report that seemed pretty damning but it's yet to be proven true so far as I've heard, which starts to indicated it might not be true.

Westinghouse Electric, which produces nuclear fuel and makes reactors, wasn't sold to Japan because it went bankrupt. It was sold to Toshiba (Japan) in 2006, having been previously owned by a British company. It went bankrupt under Toshiba's control in 2017 and was sold to an investment company headquartered in Canada in 2018.

Germany hasn't turned off all their reactors yet, they announced a plan and have shut down many but some are still operating (planned to be shut down).

Two new reactors in the US are still under active construction and nearing completion with a timeline to turn on in 2021-22 (Vogtle Electric Generating Plant).

Waste doesn't have to be actively watched if stored properly, but the "not in my backyard" has indefinitely postponed the waste storage site built in Nevada, an ideal location for waste storage (which is why it was built there to begin with).

Sorry, normally I split quote when responding like this and also throw in references to back up my claims, but I'm "on lunch" and need to get back to "work" shortly.

[jseyfert3]

Don't forget that fracking for natural gas counters some of the clean burning nature of it.

Don't get me wrong. I am a fan of renewable energy. I'm rooting for it. But I'm also an engineer. Physics wise, renewable energy cannot completely take over until storage costs are drastically reduced, and hopefully with less environmental impact than the current mining used to make batteries.

In the interim, nuclear seems to me like a good idea to reduce coal and natural gas power plants, with a long term plan for phaseout when renewable energy can actually step up to the plate and cover all our energy usage.

[tp4tissue]

Snip.

You're out of date jsey,  Nearly the entirety of your post is incorrect.

We absolutely CAN snap our fingers and turn off all the nooqs.  This is precisely what Japan did,  and they ran for YEARS without all their nooqs which were turned off overnight. We have what's known as a distributed Grid.   NOT only will there be 0x downtime, we'll be significantly safer the moment it happens.

Renewables ARE significantly cheaper, That is why their subsidies were canceled and slashed.

In fact in every case, Nuclear increases the power bill in all the states that have them.  Nooq has NEVER EVER been profitable, this is why all power stations are losing money and are persistently bailed out by the public. Everything about nuclear is subsidized because they've never made a profit.

France is a large portion nuclear, and that's why they're bankrupt. Nuke produces very expensive power, ontop of a waste product with a negative net value.

BOTH westinghouse and Hitachi were bankrupt, that's why they were sold, THEN they went bankrupt again, queue a second round of funding.

Germany is able to export power BECAUSE of the renewables and natural gas they put in. That's why their rates are so low and so competitive.

There are NO reactors being built in the United States, all production is actually done IN CHINA, and shipped over lego style.  DESPITE this,  both are cost over run by DOUBLE, and the projects HAVE BEEN ABANDONED, they will never come online.

Waste has to be watched, because their containment always fail.  We currently have millions of tons in unguarded storage pools,  which will eventually be transfered to dry casks,  HOWEVER, they will have to be watched indefinitely because they are a major terrorist threat. These casks will also have to be continuously changed out over time because the steel fails. NOTHING is perfect, and the RISK is simply too high.  Ontop of the fact that it takes FOREVER to plan, approve, test, build nuke plants.  It's been proven over and over that the technology is NOT safe. It's a giant pressure cooker. That's all it is.   

All machines fail, when a windmill goes down or a coal plant blows, no big deal, when a single nooq fail, 1 million people die an early death.

Then finally we can't build nuke plants IN TIME,  we're out of time on the 2 Degrees climate target.

[tp4tissue]

And further on the topic of storage,   You can say stored properly for 10 years, 20 years, sure.

But NOT indefinitely, that's the problem, you have to store nooq waste indefinitely. We simply do not have this technology.

In the conception of nuke power and weapons,  Storage wasn't even a consideration. They thought absolutely nothing of it, and assumed it would be invented. Well it hasn't and the biggest brains on the planet conquer that it can't be done.

Let's say you bury it.  human structures don't last 10,000 years, and you can't predict geological stability on that time scale.  What if you need to go digging for it, now it's leaked and it's underground, Good luck, have fun.

[jseyfert3]

I looked it up. Turns out in 2019 France exported way more electricity than Germany did. Most of Germany's power went to Poland, not France.

I'm willing to debate and learn, but unfortunately it looks like you are not willing to do the same. So I will bow out now before this turns into a mess. 

[tp4tissue]

I looked it up. Turns out in 2019 France exported way more electricity than Germany did. Most of Germany's power went to Poland, not France.

I'm willing to debate and learn, but unfortunately it looks like you are not willing to do the same. So I will bow out now before this turns into a mess. 

You're misdirecting the discussion. I said Germany exports power, including to France.

The topic of how much does not negate the fact that French electric is bankrupt or the fact that France produces more power than it needs, yet their corporations don't want to pay their own rates hence import.. .

[Coreda]

There are NO reactors being built in the United States, all production is actually done IN CHINA, and shipped over lego style.  DESPITE this,  both are cost over run by DOUBLE, and the projects HAVE BEEN ABANDONED, they will never come online.

SAD!

couldn't resist

[tp4tissue]

There are NO reactors being built in the United States, all production is actually done IN CHINA, and shipped over lego style.  DESPITE this,  both are cost over run by DOUBLE, and the projects HAVE BEEN ABANDONED, they will never come online.

SAD!

couldn't resist

We dodged a bullet.  It's a waste of 20-30 Billion dollars, buhhh... weigh that against the LIABILITY of $600 Billion to $1 Trillion meltdown cost, 1 million new cancers, this is lucky.

[Sintpinty]

https://allthingsnuclear.org/elyman/nuclear-power-safety-and-the-covid-19-pandemic

Nooq p0wr plants short staffed due to Covid.

Anthony Fauci is predicting 100,000 Dead from Covid alone. 

If in an even worse turn of events, we lose just 1 nooq-plant in meltdown, it's going to be approximately 1 million to 2 million new cancers (over the course of 10-50yrs).

We really need to turn these damn things off already, they're neither economical nor clean.

Plutonium has a NEGATIVE value on the market, you have to PAY people to take it.

This is the primary reason why France the poster child of Atmc Energy's, whose Energy company is wholly bankrupt over it. 

The same is the case with American Nooq companies GE and Westinghouse, both went bankrupt,  now owned by Japanese Toshiba and Hitachi.

oh no