Intel is pulling out of the motherboard business

[TheProfosist]

Oh no my favorite motherboard brand is pulling out, what to do what to do.

 http://m.tomshardware.com/news/intel-ceases-motherboard-production-haswell,20631.html

Also after haswell no LGA... I wonder what that means?

[WhiteFireDragon]

Why do you prefer intel mobo? They lack in the enthusiast mobo department, but they have good reliability and is the king of efficiency for low powered rigs.

I'll speculate that if the CPU is directly soldered onto the mobo, it's the beginning of the end for overclocking.

[TheProfosist]

Why do you prefer intel mobo? They lack in the enthusiast mobo department, but they have good reliability and is the king of efficiency for low powered rigs.

I'll speculate that if the CPU is directly soldered onto the mobo, it's the beginning of the end for overclocking.

they do have an enthusiast mobo department my oldest board one is 775 era. They offer a high quality board with no frills or BS I dont need and are rock solid.

they already announced they were doing that just not when, now we know when. But they also announced they would still ave socket based chips my guess is that Sandy-E and Ivy-EP's successors are the only that will still have a socket in the consumer realm.

[tp4tissue]

Why do you prefer intel mobo? They lack in the enthusiast mobo department, but they have good reliability and is the king of efficiency for low powered rigs.

I'll speculate that if the CPU is directly soldered onto the mobo, it's the beginning of the end for overclocking.

they do have an enthusiast mobo department my oldest board one is 775 era. They offer a high quality board with no frills or BS I dont need and are rock solid.

they already announced they were doing that just not when, now we know when. But they also announced they would still ave socket based chips my guess is that Sandy-E and Ivy-EP's successors are the only that will still have a socket in the consumer realm.

well, without overclocking, only the boards <$30 were at all terrible... everything above that price worked solid for at least a few years, ASSUMING it wasn't part of the taiwanese Capacitor Scandal..

Where taiwanese producers stole the secret formula from nichicon "incompletely" with the exception of a stabilizing agent....

[TheProfosist]

Why do you prefer intel mobo? They lack in the enthusiast mobo department, but they have good reliability and is the king of efficiency for low powered rigs.

I'll speculate that if the CPU is directly soldered onto the mobo, it's the beginning of the end for overclocking.

they do have an enthusiast mobo department my oldest board one is 775 era. They offer a high quality board with no frills or BS I dont need and are rock solid.

they already announced they were doing that just not when, now we know when. But they also announced they would still ave socket based chips my guess is that Sandy-E and Ivy-EP's successors are the only that will still have a socket in the consumer realm.

well, without overclocking, only the boards <$30 were at all terrible... everything above that price worked solid for at least a few years, ASSUMING it wasn't part of the taiwanese Capacitor Scandal..

Where taiwanese producers stole the secret formula from nichicon "incompletely" with the exception of a stabilizing agent....

i can overclock on all my extreme series intel boards...

[dohboi]

I don't think they would narrow it down to you the enthusiast line up for chips right? There are far too many people who are in between when it comes to processing power needs. Gamers are the biggest market (imo) in the "DIY/enthusiasts" market, and they surely don't need 600-1000 dollar processors to play their games.

Its sad to see that they're doing away with the boards. That's just a sign of the beginning of the end for a lot of the flexibility we're used to. Let's hope we don't see the end of sockets for a very very long time. I don't want to buy a board and be forced to have it because I want the processor that goes with it.

[MattBuzzy]

I love my Intel motherboard, a dx79to, but with all the USB problems I have had with it either way I am done with intel motherboards and going back to ASUS or Gigabyte.

A side note I have been able to get a decent overclock with it using my 3820 but only if I don't overclock my ram as well, if I do it won't boot at all despite this ram being able to run at 2133 I can only run it at 1600 with a 4.2 clock and 1333 with a 4.4 clock. Never had this problem with my previous ASUS board.

Edit: My USB 3.0 problem may be windows 8 though but it is due to Intel not producing their own drivers and using 3rd party ones...

[TheProfosist]

I don't think they would narrow it down to you the enthusiast line up for chips right? There are far too many people who are in between when it comes to processing power needs. Gamers are the biggest market (imo) in the "DIY/enthusiasts" market, and they surely don't need 600-1000 dollar processors to play their games.

Its sad to see that they're doing away with the boards. That's just a sign of the beginning of the end for a lot of the flexibility we're used to. Let's hope we don't see the end of sockets for a very very long time. I don't want to buy a board and be forced to have it because I want the processor that goes with it.

no thats actually what it sounds like their going to do because it will lower costs for manufacturers amoung other benefits. Ill have to find the toms article but everything minus the high end enthusist and server chips will be going to BGA most likely this kinda just gives you an idea of when

My 2011 chip 3820 was only $200~ from microcenter though not overclockable itll take a stok 2600 any day.

Sockets arnt going to die their just not going to be mainsteam asd the mainstream is headed away from pc and they never really upgraded their pc in the first place.

[TheProfosist]

I love my Intel motherboard, a dx79to, but with all the USB problems I have had with it either way I am done with intel motherboards and going back to ASUS or Gigabyte.

A side note I have been able to get a decent overclock with it but only if I don't overclock my ram as well, if I do it won't boot at all despite this ram being able to run at 2133 I can only run it at 1600 with a 4.2 clock and 1333 with a 4.4 clock. Never had this problem with my previous ASUS board.

what usb problem do you have i had one on my DX79SI until the latest bios update

Thats due to how newer memory controllers work the only recent chipset you can over clock decently on is ivy bridge Z series. But this is all right as your still restricted to the memory controllers speed which for sandy-e and ivy is 1600 this is my amd was flaunting its 1866 with its AM3 and F1 setups.

[datamonger128]

Maybe it will finally cost a little less to build an Intel-based system now.

[MattBuzzy]

I love my Intel motherboard, a dx79to, but with all the USB problems I have had with it either way I am done with intel motherboards and going back to ASUS or Gigabyte.

A side note I have been able to get a decent overclock with it but only if I don't overclock my ram as well, if I do it won't boot at all despite this ram being able to run at 2133 I can only run it at 1600 with a 4.2 clock and 1333 with a 4.4 clock. Never had this problem with my previous ASUS board.

what usb problem do you have i had one on my DX79SI until the latest bios update

Thats due to how newer memory controllers work the only recent chipset you can over clock decently on is ivy bridge Z series. But this is all right as your still restricted to the memory controllers speed which for sandy-e and ivy is 1600 this is my amd was flaunting its 1866 with its AM3 and F1 setups.

The problem I have is USB 3.0 ports work intermittently and even when they do they run at USB 2 speeds.

[TheProfosist]

I love my Intel motherboard, a dx79to, but with all the USB problems I have had with it either way I am done with intel motherboards and going back to ASUS or Gigabyte.

A side note I have been able to get a decent overclock with it but only if I don't overclock my ram as well, if I do it won't boot at all despite this ram being able to run at 2133 I can only run it at 1600 with a 4.2 clock and 1333 with a 4.4 clock. Never had this problem with my previous ASUS board.

what usb problem do you have i had one on my DX79SI until the latest bios update

Thats due to how newer memory controllers work the only recent chipset you can over clock decently on is ivy bridge Z series. But this is all right as your still restricted to the memory controllers speed which for sandy-e and ivy is 1600 this is my amd was flaunting its 1866 with its AM3 and F1 setups.

The problem I have is USB 3.0 ports work intermittently and even when they do they run at USB 2 speeds.

hmm did you think about RMAing it? Also try updating the BIOS fixed mine and yours is a close brother to mine.

my issue was where the PC wouldnt boot with anything plugged into the USB 3.0 ports on startup

[TheProfosist]

Maybe it will finally cost a little less to build an Intel-based system now.

...why would it cost less?

[MattBuzzy]

I love my Intel motherboard, a dx79to, but with all the USB problems I have had with it either way I am done with intel motherboards and going back to ASUS or Gigabyte.

A side note I have been able to get a decent overclock with it but only if I don't overclock my ram as well, if I do it won't boot at all despite this ram being able to run at 2133 I can only run it at 1600 with a 4.2 clock and 1333 with a 4.4 clock. Never had this problem with my previous ASUS board.

what usb problem do you have i had one on my DX79SI until the latest bios update

Thats due to how newer memory controllers work the only recent chipset you can over clock decently on is ivy bridge Z series. But this is all right as your still restricted to the memory controllers speed which for sandy-e and ivy is 1600 this is my amd was flaunting its 1866 with its AM3 and F1 setups.

The problem I have is USB 3.0 ports work intermittently and even when they do they run at USB 2 speeds.

hmm did you think about RMAing it? Also try updating the BIOS fixed mine and yours is a close brother to mine.

my issue was where the PC wouldnt boot with anything plugged into the USB 3.0 ports on startup

Nah had it for far to long to RMA it now, the thing is the ports worked fine on windows 7, but had a genuine intel driver. There is still no genuine Intel driver for windows 8 and Intel have handed it off to a 3rd party company, who made a driver, but it only runs at USB 2 speeds.

[TheProfosist]

I love my Intel motherboard, a dx79to, but with all the USB problems I have had with it either way I am done with intel motherboards and going back to ASUS or Gigabyte.

A side note I have been able to get a decent overclock with it but only if I don't overclock my ram as well, if I do it won't boot at all despite this ram being able to run at 2133 I can only run it at 1600 with a 4.2 clock and 1333 with a 4.4 clock. Never had this problem with my previous ASUS board.

what usb problem do you have i had one on my DX79SI until the latest bios update

Thats due to how newer memory controllers work the only recent chipset you can over clock decently on is ivy bridge Z series. But this is all right as your still restricted to the memory controllers speed which for sandy-e and ivy is 1600 this is my amd was flaunting its 1866 with its AM3 and F1 setups.

The problem I have is USB 3.0 ports work intermittently and even when they do they run at USB 2 speeds.

hmm did you think about RMAing it? Also try updating the BIOS fixed mine and yours is a close brother to mine.

my issue was where the PC wouldnt boot with anything plugged into the USB 3.0 ports on startup

Nah had it for far to long to RMA it now, the thing is the ports worked fine on windows 7, but had a genuine intel driver. There is still no genuine Intel driver for windows 8 and Intel have handed it off to a 3rd party company, who made a driver, but it only runs at USB 2 speeds.

just use the built in windows 8 one works fine for me

[Hak Foo]

They're really convinced the PC as we know it is dying.

What will fail to kill it is a failure to commodotize.

Something like a C64 or a Raspberry Pi could be sold as a commodity-- sealed case, no servicable parts, all soldered to the board surface-mount.  But when you've got grandma spending $249 for the entire PC, and gamers spending twice that on one video card, the market is still far from ready for that.

The "thin clients for everyone" vision some people love just shifts the problem-- instead of large, complex boxes, you have heavy-capacity networking and big servers, along with many failure points.

[MattBuzzy]

I love my Intel motherboard, a dx79to, but with all the USB problems I have had with it either way I am done with intel motherboards and going back to ASUS or Gigabyte.

A side note I have been able to get a decent overclock with it but only if I don't overclock my ram as well, if I do it won't boot at all despite this ram being able to run at 2133 I can only run it at 1600 with a 4.2 clock and 1333 with a 4.4 clock. Never had this problem with my previous ASUS board.

what usb problem do you have i had one on my DX79SI until the latest bios update

Thats due to how newer memory controllers work the only recent chipset you can over clock decently on is ivy bridge Z series. But this is all right as your still restricted to the memory controllers speed which for sandy-e and ivy is 1600 this is my amd was flaunting its 1866 with its AM3 and F1 setups.

The problem I have is USB 3.0 ports work intermittently and even when they do they run at USB 2 speeds.

hmm did you think about RMAing it? Also try updating the BIOS fixed mine and yours is a close brother to mine.

my issue was where the PC wouldnt boot with anything plugged into the USB 3.0 ports on startup

Nah had it for far to long to RMA it now, the thing is the ports worked fine on windows 7, but had a genuine intel driver. There is still no genuine Intel driver for windows 8 and Intel have handed it off to a 3rd party company, who made a driver, but it only runs at USB 2 speeds.

just use the built in windows 8 one works fine for me

Hmm maybe i should look for an updated bios, currently using the standard windows 8 one and it is borked. Of course it could be my board itself but then I am just SOL lol

[TheProfosist]

They're really convinced the PC as we know it is dying.

What will fail to kill it is a failure to commodotize.

Something like a C64 or a Raspberry Pi could be sold as a commodity-- sealed case, no servicable parts, all soldered to the board surface-mount.  But when you've got grandma spending $249 for the entire PC, and gamers spending twice that on one video card, the market is still far from ready for that.

The "thin clients for everyone" vision some people love just shifts the problem-- instead of large, complex boxes, you have heavy-capacity networking and big servers, along with many failure points.

yea their not saying enthusiasts are going away their saying everyone else is

[TheProfosist]

I love my Intel motherboard, a dx79to, but with all the USB problems I have had with it either way I am done with intel motherboards and going back to ASUS or Gigabyte.

A side note I have been able to get a decent overclock with it but only if I don't overclock my ram as well, if I do it won't boot at all despite this ram being able to run at 2133 I can only run it at 1600 with a 4.2 clock and 1333 with a 4.4 clock. Never had this problem with my previous ASUS board.

what usb problem do you have i had one on my DX79SI until the latest bios update

Thats due to how newer memory controllers work the only recent chipset you can over clock decently on is ivy bridge Z series. But this is all right as your still restricted to the memory controllers speed which for sandy-e and ivy is 1600 this is my amd was flaunting its 1866 with its AM3 and F1 setups.

The problem I have is USB 3.0 ports work intermittently and even when they do they run at USB 2 speeds.

hmm did you think about RMAing it? Also try updating the BIOS fixed mine and yours is a close brother to mine.

my issue was where the PC wouldnt boot with anything plugged into the USB 3.0 ports on startup

Nah had it for far to long to RMA it now, the thing is the ports worked fine on windows 7, but had a genuine intel driver. There is still no genuine Intel driver for windows 8 and Intel have handed it off to a 3rd party company, who made a driver, but it only runs at USB 2 speeds.

just use the built in windows 8 one works fine for me

Hmm maybe i should look for an updated bios, currently using the standard windows 8 one and it is borked. Of course it could be my board itself but then I am just SOL lol

try updating your BIOS otherwise RMA there no way you could be out of warrenty.... MB Page http://tinyurl.com/bmuzlaw

[MattBuzzy]

Oh nice didn't even realise I had a 3 year warranty on it. i might do that then if i cant get it working. Thanks.

[reaper]

Too bad they're getting out of business.  I've had around 6 - 7 mobos from Intel over the years and they've all been solid.   Great for small OC, very stable (plus I got them cheap lol).  Oh well, Haswell here I come! 

[IvanIvanovich]

I can't remember the last time I bought intel motherboard... slot1 era maybe. I came very close to buying a BOXDH77DF for my server, but went for Zotac instead as it had more sata ports and was cheaper. It's not that they made poor quality, but the board layouts were often quite heinous. Outside specialist stuff like NUC, I really don't see much reason for them to carry on in motherboards. Just as long as they keep making good cpu, chipsets and nic, all is well.

[TheProfosist]

Too bad they're getting out of business.  I've had around 6 - 7 mobos from Intel over the years and they've all been solid.   Great for small OC, very stable (plus I got them cheap lol).  Oh well, Haswell here I come! 

I hope they make a board for Ivy-EP since thats launching with a chipset based off haswell and should be out Q3 (probably late Q3)

[alaricljs]

I was looking at buying my first Intel board ever.... but it's lacking in important features.  Probably be a SuperMicro unless someone else comes out with better/cheaper.

[TheProfosist]

I was looking at buying my first Intel board ever.... but it's lacking in important features.  Probably be a SuperMicro unless someone else comes out with better/cheaper.

supermicro? looking at a server board i presume?

[Hak Foo]

The problem is that it's not just enthusiasts who appreciate changeable parts.

If nothing else, consider inventory risk and product lifecycle.

A large OEM might want to order a standard mainboard en masse, and offer it for months or years.  If they can socket in the CPUs when the machines are actually built, they're in a much better position to respond to the market.

[TheProfosist]

a bit off topic but ive been noticing that HGST desktop consumer grade drives are almost non existent on newegg anymore. I wonder if WD is having the focus on enterprise?

[alaricljs]

Micro server, MiniITX atom board with the new S1200 series.  The downside of the SM version is it's PCI slot is pointless.  On the other hand I don't need the slot at all, so not a painful loss.

edit:  To be honest tho, the Intel I was looking at is last rev, they haven't said anything about their own new stuff.

[TheProfosist]

The problem is that it's not just enthusiasts who appreciate changeable parts.

If nothing else, consider inventory risk and product lifecycle.

A large OEM might want to order a standard mainboard en masse, and offer it for months or years.  If they can socket in the CPUs when the machines are actually built, they're in a much better position to respond to the market.

with how quick cpus and chipsets have been coming out and the mostly incompatibility with each other i dont think any but enthusiast (possibly) or enterprise grade stuff is going to want to be offered for years....

[TheProfosist]

here is my current desktop for reference http://tinyurl.com/awmpm5n

[TheProfosist]

Something like a C64 or a Raspberry Pi could be sold as a commodity-- sealed case, no servicable parts, all soldered to the board surface-mount.  But when you've got grandma spending $249 for the entire PC, and gamers spending twice that on one video card, the market is still far from ready for that.

As someone shopping around for a PC, the graphic card market is out of control.  Maybe they are making money hand over fist but as a consumer I find the choices bewildering - so much so that I am paralyzed to make a purchase at all.

I wish they would just do it console style and make the best damn graphics card they can [taking into account power consumption, reliability] and mass produce to get the cost down - and stick with that spec for another 4-5 years so people won't say "well, that's a LITTLE better."

Sure there will be others who want the latest and greatest but most of us don't give a **** about running a game at 100+ fps.

Some say it will limit developers but I don't think so.  Instead of programmers spending time trying to get their game as best as it can in multiple situations - they can stick to what they know and refine it.

they dont due what you want because even though a chip may be designed for a 680 it end up not being good enough it some way to it because a 670 or 660 Ti the same thing happens with all things that share the same core design.

[Hak Foo]

with how quick cpus and chipsets have been coming out and the mostly incompatibility with each other i dont think any but enthusiast (possibly) or enterprise grade stuff is going to want to be offered for years....
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I don't buy that... even in the narrowest niches, there's usually a couple different CPUs offered on a given platform.  There's plenty of risk for picking the wrong one to stock if you have to buy them pre-soldered.

[tp4tissue]

with how quick cpus and chipsets have been coming out and the mostly incompatibility with each other i dont think any but enthusiast (possibly) or enterprise grade stuff is going to want to be offered for years....

I don't buy that... even in the narrowest niches, there's usually a couple different CPUs offered on a given platform.  There's plenty of risk for picking the wrong one to stock if you have to buy them pre-soldered.
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enthusiast market is very small, every one else is happy with whatever...

enterprise market is tailored from start to finish, so they won't make any such mistakes...

the only people that has ever bought a "wrong" processor are the kids who follow the "upgrade-fashion"

[TheGreatAmphibianPling]

They're really convinced the PC as we know it is dying.

What will fail to kill it is a failure to commodotize.

I don't think that last sentence actually has a useful meaning. Maybe what you meant is that the failure of attempts to commodotize will keep the PC alive?

Something like a C64 or a Raspberry Pi could be sold as a commodity-- sealed case, no servicable parts, all soldered to the board surface-mount.  But when you've got grandma spending $249 for the entire PC, and gamers spending twice that on one video card, the market is still far from ready for that.

One problem for your theory is a new invention called "the video game console." Another is that a market has to have a certain critical size to survive - that some people are willing to spend $500 on a video card isn't enough to call them into existence; you have to have a pretty good number. 

One problem with predicting the future for PC gaming hw is that figures show PC gaming growing dramatically.. but a lot of this is social gaming, played via flash on Facebook. Otoh is that figures for total games sold by digital distribution are basically made up - and a very large part of the total.

The "thin clients for everyone" vision some people love just shifts the problem-- instead of large, complex boxes, you have heavy-capacity networking and big servers, along with many failure points.

Ok: this is just wrong. Networks and servers are redundant - if a physical server you are relying on goes down, another one steps in. The network is a net, not a chain, so there are many paths, not one.

Also: net bandwidth is rising, and I know that VCs and game companies have been looking at game servers that do all the rendering for a client and send it over the net. Servers are local-ish, so latency is supposed to be acceptable. Obviously this does away with any possibility for piracy - customers never own games, they just buy playing time.

Bottom line: at the moment, the future of gaming is anybody's guess.

[bear95]

They're really convinced the PC as we know it is dying.

They specifically said they weren't. The move away from motherboard was because all the other manufacturers could handle it themselves and were doing well. Soldering the cpu is a reaction to the mobile market and is "experimental." Whether they will continue doing this is not fully known.

Even if all the cpus were soldered to motherboards, I don't think it would affect enthusiasts much. Yes. People would hate it but most people buy motherboard and cpu at same time and replace them together. So it would mean little to them.