PC Gaming is NOT Dead - the new Xbox is just a crappy PC on the inside.

[Tym]

costs you the risk of skin cancer

No??

Yes.

[eisenhower]

I PC game but whenever a new console is released, I buy all the good games on the previous console. I bought maybe 20 fantastic ps3 games at $10 a pop. Totally worth it for someone who doesn't buy them new. Red Dead Redemption was like 6 bucks.

[ynrozturk]

And that's such a fantastic game.

[eisenhower]

The new Xbox 1 turns out to be a crappy PC under the hood.

Wow, the xbox 1 is a computer? What a shocking revelation....

[eisenhower]

PC gaming will never die.. simply because Piracy...

You can't compete with free...

So you go more/less f2p.. and then leverage the game as an advertising platform..

Some might argue piracy is killing PC gaming actually. Developers would rather their games not be pirated, and hence more and more games are console exclusive.

[ynrozturk]

The new Xbox 1 turns out to be a crappy PC under the hood.

Wow, the xbox 1 is a computer? What a shocking revelation....

 )

[demik]

I PC game but whenever a new console is released, I buy all the good games on the previous console. I bought maybe 20 fantastic ps3 games at $10 a pop. Totally worth it for someone who doesn't buy them new. Red Dead Redemption was like 6 bucks.

RDR was the game to bring me back to consoles. Nothing like hunting bobcats with friends.

and when i say bring me back, i mean that's the only game i own. and gta V.

[tp4tissue]

PC gaming will never die.. simply because Piracy...

You can't compete with free...

So you go more/less f2p.. and then leverage the game as an advertising platform..

Some might argue piracy is killing PC gaming actually. Developers would rather their games not be pirated, and hence more and more games are console exclusive.

piracy is the death to the original business model.. not gaming on the PC.

[Linkbane]

A keyboard isn't a device optimized for gaming. It's silly to think that a keyboard is superior to a joystick.
Then again, if I had the equipment I'd just plug in a controller to a PC.

[Tym]

A keyboard isn't a device optimized for gaming. It's silly to think that a keyboard is superior to a joystick.
Then again, if I had the equipment I'd just plug in a controller to a PC.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Official-Microsoft-Xbox-360-PC-Black-Glossy-Wired-Controller-UD-S9F-00001-/131044761044?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item1e82e05dd4

[Candyflip]

A keyboard isn't a device optimized for gaming. It's silly to think that a keyboard is superior to a joystick.
Then again, if I had the equipment I'd just plug in a controller to a PC.

I never actually got used to any controllers and believe me I tried a lot of them, any fps game I played is simply better to play with mouse and keyboard same goes for  any rts/moba game I played. On the other side there are many rpgs that are better played on joystick, it depends on the type of the game rather than the peripheral imo.

[yasuo]

yeah,it depends, i think to play FPS should use keyboard
 i usually always play with keyboard

[Linkbane]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

[Tym]

Plug it into the USB port, go to xbox.com and download The drivers.  Or Google 360 controller drivers.

Has to be a wired controller not a wireless with a play and charge kit.

[ynrozturk]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.

[Candyflip]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.

you might want to check this out: http://www.gamesradar.com/pc-gamers-destroyed-console-gamers-in-tests-says-voodoo-pc-founder/

[tp4tissue]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

Linkb.. u trollin' us?

Pc gamrz have been dominating the FPS arena for years...

Since you do not know this.. I imagine you must be a good student and have a great relationship with your parents.. in place of playing tons of video games to escape...

Kudos..

[ynrozturk]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.

you might want to check this out: http://www.gamesradar.com/pc-gamers-destroyed-console-gamers-in-tests-says-voodoo-pc-founder/

I know the article. The average PC player will absolutely humiliate the average console player. That's not up for debate. I was talking about comfort. That said, there are some really fantastic console gamers out there with deadly accuracy and skill.

[Candyflip]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.

you might want to check this out: http://www.gamesradar.com/pc-gamers-destroyed-console-gamers-in-tests-says-voodoo-pc-founder/

I know the article. The average PC player will absolutely humiliate the average console player. That's not up for debate. I was talking about comfort. That said, there are some really fantastic console gamers out there with deadly accuracy and skill.

I agree with you 100% and I believe it is a personal preference of what are you using, even both.
Also have to add that I pretty much enjoy more console games when with friends while playing some Sport (fifa/nba) games rather than grinding the campaign of a single player game alone.

[paicrai]

A keyboard isn't a device optimized for gaming. It's silly to think that a keyboard is superior to a joystick.
Then again, if I had the equipment I'd just plug in a controller to a PC.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Official-Microsoft-Xbox-360-PC-Black-Glossy-Wired-Controller-UD-S9F-00001-/131044761044?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item1e82e05dd4

"EXTRA 5% OFF WHEN YOU SPEND $100 OR MORE"

I pooped myself when I saw that.

[eisenhower]

PC gaming will never die.. simply because Piracy...

You can't compete with free...

So you go more/less f2p.. and then leverage the game as an advertising platform..

Some might argue piracy is killing PC gaming actually. Developers would rather their games not be pirated, and hence more and more games are console exclusive.

piracy is the death to the original business model.. not gaming on the PC.

The original business model is fundamental - developing a game and then selling it for money. This is like everything else (bread, automobiles, televisions, the hardware itself). This produces an ideal product. Now companies are forced to implement always-online DRM or have in-game advertisements. Do you enjoy these things? I do not.

[eisenhower]

I don't understand why console games can't use a mouse and keyboard. I mean, sure it would give an unfair advantage, but isn't that an indication of the superiority of that controller setup?

I basically avoid FPS's on the console like the plague (unless they are console exclusive) for this reason. It really sucks, since consoles have the distinct advantage of having the games being optimized for the hardware, and not vice versa.

[demik]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.

So remap your keys?

[eisenhower]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.

So remap your keys?

Or buy one of those gaming mice with a dozen buttons on it.

[Candyflip]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.

So remap your keys?

Or buy one of those gaming mice with a dozen buttons on it.

In my experience every single one of those sucked.

[demik]

I can't find my way around a controller for FPS. I could never get the right sensitivity and the lack of remapping(well compared to pc) sucks. I also found it more tiresome having my hands so close together.

[ynrozturk]

I can't find my way around a controller for FPS. I could never get the right sensitivity and the lack of remapping(well compared to pc) sucks. I also found it more tiresome having my hands so close together.

I was like that way at first. What I did was start with a slower paced game. In my case, it was Killzone 2. I set mine to about 20% sensitivity, then finished the game that way. Mind you, it was easier said than done. I couldn't aim if my life depended on it. Yet slowly over time, it got better, and I kept increasing the sensitivity until it got to around 30%. Now, I could go higher, but there's just no need, especially if you're playing as a sniper or something, the scope sway will be impossible to control if you have it set at like 50%. Around 25% is the sweet spot.

Took me about a month to get used to it in total, and now it just feels very comfortable.

[Linkbane]

I can't find my way around a controller for FPS. I could never get the right sensitivity and the lack of remapping(well compared to pc) sucks. I also found it more tiresome having my hands so close together.

I was like that way at first. What I did was start with a slower paced game. In my case, it was Killzone 2. I set mine to about 20% sensitivity, then finished the game that way. Mind you, it was easier said than done. I couldn't aim if my life depended on it. Yet slowly over time, it got better, and I kept increasing the sensitivity until it got to around 30%. Now, I could go higher, but there's just no need, especially if you're playing as a sniper or something, the scope sway will be impossible to control if you have it set at like 50%. Around 25% is the sweet spot.

Took me about a month to get used to it in total, and now it just feels very comfortable.

Sensitivity is so finnicky with people. I know people who play at 20/30% sensitivity, while after playing SWAT in Halo extensively, I've found myself most comfortable with 80%. I'm not too accurate with high DPS mice, though.

[ynrozturk]

Well, it kind of changes depending on the game. For a slower FPS like Killzone, I'll have it set to around 30-35%. For something faster, like Battlefield, I'll have it set to 25%, so I'm not completely thrown off when I pick up a sniper rifle.

On PC, my DPI is set to 4000, which I bump down to around 2000 if I'm sniping. That's why I love the RAT 7 so much, the "aim" button is placed perfectly, so I had that set to 800 DPI when I was in my scope. Let go and I was back at 4000 DPI.

It's just a matter of experimenting with whatever works best for you, as everyone is different. But as with everything, it's always good to start slow and gradually increase speed. I know guys who play Battlefield with 100% sensitivity on the Dualshock 3, and it's absolutely crazy. I tried it once and couldn't do anything.

[Linkbane]

Well, it kind of changes depending on the game. For a slower FPS like Killzone, I'll have it set to around 30-35%. For something faster, like Battlefield, I'll have it set to 25%, so I'm not completely thrown off when I pick up a sniper rifle.

On PC, my DPI is set to 4000, which I bump down to around 2000 if I'm sniping. That's why I love the RAT 7 so much, the "aim" button is placed perfectly, so I had that set to 800 DPI when I was in my scope. Let go and I was back at 4000 DPI.

It's just a matter of experimenting with whatever works best for you, as everyone is different. But as with everything, it's always good to start slow and gradually increase speed. I know guys who play Battlefield with 100% sensitivity on the Dualshock 3, and it's absolutely crazy. I tried it once and couldn't do anything.

Really now? Unlike console when you can flick very quickly at low dps, on console a lower sensitivity is unable to be as fast, which loses kills. AFAIK most pro players play at 4-5, with very few lower and a few higher. On SWAT, though, the extra speed really helps because you need to flick to very small areas very quickly. Good players, even like me, can headshot with the first or occasionally the second shot on-sight, and the higher sensitivity helps.

I guess my sensitivity is unusually high, but I haven't had issues controlling it. On console, though, a 3200 dps works pretty well for me, and I switch to something like a 400 dps when sniping (M95 has a nice button for it).

[Linkbane]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

Linkb.. u trollin' us?

Pc gamrz have been dominating the FPS arena for years...

Since you do not know this.. I imagine you must be a good student and have a great relationship with your parents.. in place of playing tons of video games to escape...

Kudos..

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Hah, I'm neither of those things.
Of course PC gamers have been dominating, you can do things with a mouse that are impossible on a joystick. Joysticks are limited by their maximum angulation, whereas mice can be flicked around like whatever. Personally, though, I feel much more engaged crouching, aiming, and shooting on a controller that has some simulation (and also force feedback, which we don't talk about much) of using a weapon. Pulling a trigger on a controller just seems more fun than clicking, if you can get where I'm going.

[IvanIvanovich]

You could always get one of those mice )


I've always hated gamepad controller ever since NES days. I even use keyboard mouse on racing games now since mechanical keyboard. I find keyboard and mouse steering much more precise than game pads and have been able to do turns much easier without downshift/brake (drift) so much. The only game genre where I don't favor keyboard is with fighting games like Mortal Kombat where I would rather use arcade but I seldom play those much anymore, and some platformer type

[alosec]

People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PC

People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS

it's that simple.

[Linkbane]

People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PC

People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS

it's that simple.

No, it really isn't. Could we at least attempt for this to not become another circlejerk PC master race thread?

[ynrozturk]

Yeah. I mean I take my gaming seriously, no matter the platform. I'm on PC and PS3. And I take my God of War very seriously, thank you very much.

[eth0s]

People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PC

People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS

it's that simple.

No, it really isn't. Could we at least attempt for this to not become another circlejerk PC master race thread?

I think alosec is saying that the best gamers gravitate to PC games, while people who are not as good gravitate more toward consoles.  That is my experience as well.  Lag, server glitches, bad players (make that horribad players), and annoying little kids under 12, are much more frequently encountered with console gaming than PC gaming.  Another thing, have you ever been to an Xbox lan-party? They're not fun.  Unfun, if that is a word.

[Linkbane]

People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PC

People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS

it's that simple.

No, it really isn't. Could we at least attempt for this to not become another circlejerk PC master race thread?

I think alosec is saying that the best gamers gravitate to PC games, while people who are not as good gravitate more toward consoles.  That is my experience as well.  Lag, server glitches, bad players (make that horribad players), and annoying little kids under 12, are much more frequently encountered with console gaming than PC gaming.  Another thing, have you ever been to an Xbox lan-party? They're not fun.  Unfun, if that is a word.

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Psh, I play Super Smash Bros. Melee fests weekly. Console LAN parties aren't that fun because someone's getting killed, but honestly PC gaming seems a lot more toxic than XBL, at least. You might have whiny kids, but at least you don't have HoN-level people trying to make your life hell if you're starting a game.

[Malphas]

People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PC

People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS

it's that simple.

Except it's not and it's actually much more complex than that.

[tp4tissue]

People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PC

People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS

it's that simple.

No, it really isn't. Could we at least attempt for this to not become another circlejerk PC master race thread?

I think alosec is saying that the best gamers gravitate to PC games, while people who are not as good gravitate more toward consoles.  That is my experience as well.  Lag, server glitches, bad players (make that horribad players), and annoying little kids under 12, are much more frequently encountered with console gaming than PC gaming.  Another thing, have you ever been to an Xbox lan-party? They're not fun.  Unfun, if that is a word.

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Psh, I play Super Smash Bros. Melee fests weekly. Console LAN parties aren't that fun because someone's getting killed, but honestly PC gaming seems a lot more toxic than XBL, at least. You might have whiny kids, but at least you don't have HoN-level people trying to make your life hell if you're starting a game.

When I was in school. I stopped going to those parties when the smashbros crowd of people stopped showering in the middle of the school year for "some reason"..

They just stopped.... I don't know why... I ended up doing alot more drinking... In many ways I blame them for all the excessive drinking... because they took smashbros away from me.

[eisenhower]

Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.

I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.

So remap your keys?

Or buy one of those gaming mice with a dozen buttons on it.

In my experience every single one of those sucked.

If you're used to lush mechanical switches, I suppose you might think so. But they work fine.

[C5Allroad]

I am just looking forward to hopefully less lazy 'ports' to Windows since it's all x86-64 now.

I really do hope Microsoft will port Forza one day.... But since it's a xbox seller it won't ever be released to PC.... I can dream can't I?

[tp4tissue]

I am just looking forward to hopefully less lazy 'ports' to Windows since it's all x86-64 now.

I really do hope Microsoft will port Forza one day.... But since it's a xbox seller it won't ever be released to PC.... I can dream can't I?

The only advantage of porting Forza to PC would be better graphics.. but that is non-essential to the game.. because the main forte' of forza is the physics sim.. and that doesn't really benefit from a port to PC, a faster processor really won't help the simple calculations involved. (relative to modern processors)..

So yea.. I don't see why it needs to be ported. It plays fine on xbox..

[Melvang]

I am just looking forward to hopefully less lazy 'ports' to Windows since it's all x86-64 now.

I really do hope Microsoft will port Forza one day.... But since it's a xbox seller it won't ever be released to PC.... I can dream can't I?

The only advantage of porting Forza to PC would be better graphics.. but that is non-essential to the game.. because the main forte' of forza is the physics sim.. and that doesn't really benefit from a port to PC, a faster processor really won't help the simple calculations involved. (relative to modern processors)..

So yea.. I don't see why it needs to be ported. It plays fine on xbox..

While I would agree that physics calculations can be simple for simple operations but the calculations for a racing/physics sim are neither simple nor quick to calculate.

[tp4tissue]

I am just looking forward to hopefully less lazy 'ports' to Windows since it's all x86-64 now.

I really do hope Microsoft will port Forza one day.... But since it's a xbox seller it won't ever be released to PC.... I can dream can't I?

The only advantage of porting Forza to PC would be better graphics.. but that is non-essential to the game.. because the main forte' of forza is the physics sim.. and that doesn't really benefit from a port to PC, a faster processor really won't help the simple calculations involved. (relative to modern processors)..

So yea.. I don't see why it needs to be ported. It plays fine on xbox..

While I would agree that physics calculations can be simple for simple operations but the calculations for a racing/physics sim are neither simple nor quick to calculate.

well, I'm not downplaying the difficulty in creation or importance of the physic sim..

I'm just saying relative to modern processors.. the sim portion of the game wouldn't bottleneck most multi-cores.

[ferociousfingerings]

[EA_rant]

Give back my PC-Madden!!! (or at the very least, make an official facemask/gear/texture update patch for '08, and let us buy it for $10...)

It really, Really bothers me, that EA already has all these "next gen" assets developed and optimized for 360/one/ps3/ps4, but they keep acting like modern gaming PC's wouldn't be able to handle the engine... Meanwhile, BF4. BF4! Do i even need to say anything else? FFS that game... looks really nice, but even my 1090t@3.6 and gtx590 (both on custom loop w/ a phobya 1080 external radiator) can barely handle it. I find it very difficult to believe that Madden "25" (aka 13... or is it 14 now?) would be "too much" for a modern gaming rig. Surely with a relatively small environment and significantly fewer concurrent players, it would work just fine.

Then again, take a look at the new Sim City. Looks great, but even that hitches a bit on max settings. The Sims 3 is like that but even worse. I've seen countless posts of people rocking i7's and 690's still having issues w/ Sims 3.

Clearly, EA doesn't mind putting out games that barely perform acceptably on modern gaming rigs. So why make the "performance" excuse for Madden?

EA blames "piracy" for refusing to release Madden on PC, but then, why are they still producing other games? Can they not figure out some kind of acceptable DRM scheme for madden? I find that difficult to believe, and i refuse to accept that answer as valid.

Performance excuses are BS. Piracy excuse is BS. Plenty of people would love to play (and more importantly: purchase) the newer madden on PC, so "low sales" is also BS. Plus! they're already making revenue from those very same assets on all the consoles! So whether or not PC "has low sales" should not even be an issue; profit is profit, and having customers that don't hate you, is something i would think every company wants... and the resources already exist. All they would have to do is use the same resources, but reconfigure those already-existing resources, to function on typical modern PC architecture. Surely that would not cost EA more than they would make by doing it. I would be willing to Wager that they would sell at least 1 million copies of a new Madden for PC. That's not much compared to the super-hyped shooters, but it's still a lot. It's still enough to justify doing it, even if "some people" end up pirating it.

And they wonder why they get voted "worst company in america."

It is quite clear to me that EA will do whatever it takes to maximize their profits, for every single other game they sell. Why not Madden for PC? They don't even have a good excuse.

[/EA_rant]

[tp4tissue]

[EA_rant]

Give back my PC-Madden!!! (or at the very least, make an official facemask/gear/texture update patch for '08, and let us buy it for $10...)

It really, Really bothers me, that EA already has all these "next gen" assets developed and optimized for 360/one/ps3/ps4, but they keep acting like modern gaming PC's wouldn't be able to handle the engine... Meanwhile, BF4. BF4! Do i even need to say anything else? FFS that game... looks really nice, but even my 1090t@3.6 and gtx590 (both on custom loop w/ a phobya 1080 external radiator) can barely handle it. I find it very difficult to believe that Madden "25" (aka 13... or is it 14 now?) would be "too much" for a modern gaming rig. Surely with a relatively small environment and significantly fewer concurrent players, it would work just fine.

Then again, take a look at the new Sim City. Looks great, but even that hitches a bit on max settings. The Sims 3 is like that but even worse. I've seen countless posts of people rocking i7's and 690's still having issues w/ Sims 3.

Clearly, EA doesn't mind putting out games that barely perform acceptably on modern gaming rigs. So why make the "performance" excuse for Madden?

EA blames "piracy" for refusing to release Madden on PC, but then, why are they still producing other games? Can they not figure out some kind of acceptable DRM scheme for madden? I find that difficult to believe, and i refuse to accept that answer as valid.

Performance excuses are BS. Piracy excuse is BS. Plenty of people would love to play (and more importantly: purchase) the newer madden on PC, so "low sales" is also BS. Plus! they're already making revenue from those very same assets on all the consoles! So whether or not PC "has low sales" should not even be an issue; profit is profit, and having customers that don't hate you, is something i would think every company wants... and the resources already exist. All they would have to do is use the same resources, but reconfigure those already-existing resources, to function on typical modern PC architecture. Surely that would not cost EA more than they would make by doing it. I would be willing to Wager that they would sell at least 1 million copies of a new Madden for PC. That's not much compared to the super-hyped shooters, but it's still a lot. It's still enough to justify doing it, even if "some people" end up pirating it.

And they wonder why they get voted "worst company in america."

It is quite clear to me that EA will do whatever it takes to maximize their profits, for every single other game they sell. Why not Madden for PC? They don't even have a good excuse.

[/EA_rant]

I maintain american football games suck...  it plays itself, you're not really even part of the game..

[ferociousfingerings]

I maintain american football games suck...  it plays itself, you're not really even part of the game..

Idk what game you're playing, but i distinctly remember being "in the game," as the most crucial part of the game, due to making countless decisions which significantly impacted the performance of my team. Sure, if you'd rather let the Madden AI call your plays for you, you can do that... but if you're into that, you might as well just use the "sim game" option, set the controller down and watch. And if you're gonna do that... you might as well just not buy it, not play it, and wait for sunday/monday/thursday, and watch real football.

I prefer playing the game and controlling the players. But i don't get to do that now, because EA is a bunch of censored expletives!

And if football ain't your thing, look what they've done to the Need For Speed series!

Football Sports, racing, shooters... Sims... they ruin everything! If PC gaming does end up dead, i'm going to blame EA more than anyone else.