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The Jerky Thread
« on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 08:57:54 »
I know its been mentioned in a few different places so I thought maybe it could use a home.

This thread is for jerky, the kind you eat  ;D

What is your favorite?

Do you make your own?

Can you recommend some good jerky to try?


My newest 'new' jerky I have decided to try is Biltong, I got a sample from here

http://biltongsuperstore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=76

I'm definitely going to order some more, I like it!

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Re: The Jerky Thread
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 09:25:46 »
My son is on a restricted diet and 365 brand Original Turkey Jerky is his favorite.

A little bland for me, the teriyaki flavors are better, but very simple and wholesome.
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Re: The Jerky Thread
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 09:37:07 »
I've never purchased Jerky before - so what would be considered a good price for grass fed Jerky?

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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 09:38:59 »
I've never purchased Jerky before - so what would be considered a good price for grass fed Jerky?

It seems to add maybe a 10-20% premium over regular jerky.

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 10:10:03 »
If you eat this on a daily basis... the food dehydrator + meat slicer will be exponentially cheaper.

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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 10:16:14 »
If you eat this on a daily basis... the food dehydrator + meat slicer will be exponentially cheaper.

You are probably right.  I also want to learn how to make Pemmican.

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 10:17:22 »
If you eat this on a daily basis... the food dehydrator + meat slicer will be exponentially cheaper.

we already have the cows....


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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 10:26:02 »
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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 10:26:23 »
Bakkwa Chinese style jerky, try it its amazing. I'm actually making a large batch right now and all you need is an oven (Conversely because this style of jerky isn't dried as much, it doesn't last as long).
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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 10:36:19 »
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Re: The Jerky Thread
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 10:36:41 »
Bakkwa Chinese style jerky, try it its amazing. I'm actually making a large batch right now and all you need is an oven (Conversely because this style of jerky isn't dried as much, it doesn't last as long).

Great idea... hmmmm.... now I need to find cow...

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Re: The Jerky Thread
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 10:57:52 »
i've done a bit of jerky, my wife and i are "healthy" half of the year, you know when you can stand to be? heh, anyway for food dehydrators you need to circulate the air really well. Some cheaper machines only try to circulate it through the "middle" hole. these are the ones where the fan is either top or bottom mounted, a good one (i have the really old model) is
nesco food dehydrator

they circulate air through the inner walls as well so you get total coverage, when i made jerky i never noticed "dryer" spots, it was even throughout. you'd want a dehydrator that has fan on top imo, this is for easy clean up. the cheaper models have fan on the bottom, and what happens when you have to take apart the dehydrator (which is EVERYTIME you dehydrate) you have get bits and pieces of meat out of fan blades.

a model with a top fan you just take it off and clean the trays instead.

the good thing about these "cake type" food dehydrators is that you can keep on expanding... you find 2 tons of meat? just buy more trays and add on to you're food dehydrator.

this is vs. the "square" types

box dehydrator

they are about 4x more expensive but, they have a side fan, so it is a more even flow of air, and these models you can just slide out a tray easily, much like a drawer system. however they aren't expandable, since you're locked in to a box shape.

food dehydration isn't really about "heating" up the food, rather you're just trying to provide enough circulating "dry" air to get rid of all the water molecules in you're meat... because that's how meat goes bad/rancid, water + fat = spoilage, so if you get rid of the water, the fat cannot react with anything, and that's really how jerky is.

dry vs. wet.

i never really cared in the dry vs. wet jerky, i just use all sorts of spices, heck i don't even measure anymore, i just throw **** in, ha.

usually it's
soy sauce
vinegar
salt
peper
cumin(for the heat)
texas pete (flavored heat)

i do use a vacuum sealer
food saver vacuum sealer

to marinate my meat + sauce for half a day, don't use the bags, just use the containers and clean up is like easy, i find vacuum marination really get's the flavors in there, and the vacuum sealers now are pretty cheap.

i don't know if you should "buy" any dry rubs... usually in my experience most rubs are just 80% salt anyway, so i'd suggest just experimenting with flavors you like.

other than that, remember to trim as much fat as possible off the meat (fat=bad and rancid) and always cut against the grain, this way you'll prevent "stringy" jerky as much as possible.
also don't forget the "freezing" trick, put your meats in the freezer for... maybe 1 hour before you cut them to make them solid and very easy to cut into strips, they don't have to be super thin, 1/4 inch is good

oh and be prepared for the smell... in a good way, when i made jerky, my dog would go crazy for a whole day.

in terms of cost? i think it's actually about the same with store bought vs. you're meats. (especially when you factor in time/materials...)

here let me explain

the good cuts of beef to use for jerky are

flank
top round
rump

basically the really lean meats, which usually are some of the cheapest... because remember fat=rancid, so you want lean beef.

i would say (since i've moved to jersey i get lots more options now) flank steak or rump would be 8bucks a lb? (maybe more like 6 to 7)

you loose at least half of you're meat to water (sometimes more) so you're ratio is really
2 to 1 or even 3 to 1
2:1 or 3:1

somewhere in between, so that makes it really... 16bucks for a 1lb of beef jerky or 1ounce a pound

most good packaged/bought jerky is probably going to cost from 1 to 2 bucks an ounce.

again don't forget to factor in the time you spend prepping and the startup costs, the dehydrator and such. but then of course... you're basically making your own super natural, no preservative beef jerky.

clean up is a PITA, you have to clean in between all the little holes in the screens... ugh...

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Re: The Jerky Thread
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 10:58:27 »
If you have access to your own cows, why would you waste the meat on jerky?  I would rather cook up a few steaks.  Or at least the filet mignon.



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Re: The Jerky Thread
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 18:16:04 »
i've done a bit of jerky, my wife and i are "healthy" half of the year, you know when you can stand to be? heh, anyway for food dehydrators you need to circulate the air really well. Some cheaper machines only try to circulate it through the "middle" hole. these are the ones where the fan is either top or bottom mounted, a good one (i have the really old model) is
nesco food dehydrator

they circulate air through the inner walls as well so you get total coverage, when i made jerky i never noticed "dryer" spots, it was even throughout. you'd want a dehydrator that has fan on top imo, this is for easy clean up. the cheaper models have fan on the bottom, and what happens when you have to take apart the dehydrator (which is EVERYTIME you dehydrate) you have get bits and pieces of meat out of fan blades.

a model with a top fan you just take it off and clean the trays instead.

the good thing about these "cake type" food dehydrators is that you can keep on expanding... you find 2 tons of meat? just buy more trays and add on to you're food dehydrator.

this is vs. the "square" types

box dehydrator

they are about 4x more expensive but, they have a side fan, so it is a more even flow of air, and these models you can just slide out a tray easily, much like a drawer system. however they aren't expandable, since you're locked in to a box shape.

food dehydration isn't really about "heating" up the food, rather you're just trying to provide enough circulating "dry" air to get rid of all the water molecules in you're meat... because that's how meat goes bad/rancid, water + fat = spoilage, so if you get rid of the water, the fat cannot react with anything, and that's really how jerky is.

dry vs. wet.

i never really cared in the dry vs. wet jerky, i just use all sorts of spices, heck i don't even measure anymore, i just throw **** in, ha.

usually it's
soy sauce
vinegar
salt
peper
cumin(for the heat)
texas pete (flavored heat)

i do use a vacuum sealer
food saver vacuum sealer

to marinate my meat + sauce for half a day, don't use the bags, just use the containers and clean up is like easy, i find vacuum marination really get's the flavors in there, and the vacuum sealers now are pretty cheap.

i don't know if you should "buy" any dry rubs... usually in my experience most rubs are just 80% salt anyway, so i'd suggest just experimenting with flavors you like.

other than that, remember to trim as much fat as possible off the meat (fat=bad and rancid) and always cut against the grain, this way you'll prevent "stringy" jerky as much as possible.
also don't forget the "freezing" trick, put your meats in the freezer for... maybe 1 hour before you cut them to make them solid and very easy to cut into strips, they don't have to be super thin, 1/4 inch is good

oh and be prepared for the smell... in a good way, when i made jerky, my dog would go crazy for a whole day.

in terms of cost? i think it's actually about the same with store bought vs. you're meats. (especially when you factor in time/materials...)

here let me explain

the good cuts of beef to use for jerky are

flank
top round
rump

basically the really lean meats, which usually are some of the cheapest... because remember fat=rancid, so you want lean beef.

i would say (since i've moved to jersey i get lots more options now) flank steak or rump would be 8bucks a lb? (maybe more like 6 to 7)

you loose at least half of you're meat to water (sometimes more) so you're ratio is really
2 to 1 or even 3 to 1
2:1 or 3:1

somewhere in between, so that makes it really... 16bucks for a 1lb of beef jerky or 1ounce a pound

most good packaged/bought jerky is probably going to cost from 1 to 2 bucks an ounce.

again don't forget to factor in the time you spend prepping and the startup costs, the dehydrator and such. but then of course... you're basically making your own super natural, no preservative beef jerky.

clean up is a PITA, you have to clean in between all the little holes in the screens... ugh...

you've succeeded in convincing me not to make my own beef jerky...


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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 01 February 2014, 05:42:23 »
I make my own.  The first experience was after watching Alton Brown on Food Network almost a decade ago, but I used habanero, soy sauce, and various spices for the marinade instead of his recipe.  One time I made a lot of jerky, and had the munchies.  I must have eaten about 2lbs of dried jerky.  Needless to say I got thirsty and drank a bunch of water, and it all expanded in my stomach, giving the worst bowel movement of my life.  Like Lanx said, use fresh, lean beef, and you'll be golden.  London Broil is also a great cut of meat to use.  Once I tried using a beef cut with a lot of fat in it, and you can visually see the difference as it starts to dry out.  You can see the fat if you look closely.  I remember putting that batch in the fridge after, just in case.

FYI - here is the link to Alton Brown's recipe and super cheap DIY dehydrator with video.
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/beef-jerky-recipe.html

I've actually made jerky just using an industrial fan, and some meat hanging off of skewers instead of filters.  You don't need anything fancy.  I've made a TON of jerky using just a fan and have never gotten sick from it.  The salt and the low fat content will keep you from getting sick, because it will preserve the meat long enough until the moisture is taken out of it.  No moisture plus high salt makes it difficult for bacteria to thrive.  Nobody had dehydrators hundreds of years ago, and they made jerky all the time without getting sick.  Obviously a dehydrator is safer, I'm just giving a worse case scenario and stating that you should still be fine.  Also if you just use a fan, cleanup is easy.  I actually have a dehydrator that I hardly use, because clean up is a PITA.
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Re: The Jerky Thread
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 01 February 2014, 05:49:23 »
http://www.heidijosjerky.com/

I like their teriyaki beef jerky the best.  It's a lot sweeter and less dry than other jerkys.

Best of all, it's completely natural and has no nitrates, MSG, etc.

A pound of it lasts me about a day..  :rolleyes:

My favorite store-bought jerkys are Pemmican Teriyaki Beef Jerky and Oberto BBQ Pork Jerky.
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Re: The Jerky Thread
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 01 February 2014, 15:47:49 »
If you have access to your own cows, why would you waste the meat on jerky?  I would rather cook up a few steaks.  Or at least the filet mignon.

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I had a friend in university whose family would go to a butcher and basically buy an entire cow. They'd cut pretty much every steak and beef product imaginable from it including jerky (They had like 3 separate freezers in their place).
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