Standing Desks.. Trial 3..

[tp4tissue]

The first 2 times.. I tried Standing desks..  each for about 3 weeks..  I didn't like it.. and didn't feel any benefits..

But.. this 3rd time..   I've noticed something that I was unaware of before..


Each day.. I go the the bathroom for #2 , exactly 1 more time than I would have, if I had sat all day.


Not sure if this is a benefit actually,  but it's quite significant considering that's a 100% increase.

[Psybin]

Stand all day or sit/stand?

[tp4tissue]

all day..

[Psybin]

Whew all day is rough, I do 2/3 of the day at best.

[tp4tissue]

Whew all day is rough, I do 2/3 of the day at best.

I haven't tried  the combo..

My guess is , gravity is making this #2 happen.. LOL

So, assuming there is "food" that's going in, as long as you're standing for the duration after large intakes of food, 

You shouldn't need to stand ALL day for it to work..


ASSUMING you need this extra #2...

[paicrai]

standing for short amounts of time is mildly beneficial if you're the size of a blimp
if youre gonna use it for longer, standing still for long amounts of time is not good for anyone and sitting is the better option

[tbc]

the whole point of the standing desk is that you actually move.

this means both 'twitching' aka rocking your weight between your feet and actually getting away from your desk.

why can't you do this when you're sitting?  for one. the chair supports your weight, so you have no weight to shift; two, it takes more effort to get up from your chair and to get comfy after you come back, less mental effort means you're more likely to do the correct thing.

[kurplop]

Sitting is generally preferred over standing when doing #2.

[rm-rf]

do you use a sitting or standing restroom?

[tp4tissue]

do you use a sitting or standing restroom?

[tp4tissue]

the whole point of the standing desk is that you actually move.

this means both 'twitching' aka rocking your weight between your feet and actually getting away from your desk.

why can't you do this when you're sitting?  for one. the chair supports your weight, so you have no weight to shift; two, it takes more effort to get up from your chair and to get comfy after you come back, less mental effort means you're more likely to do the correct thing.

Could you explain this part a bit more ? 

[Axollott]

I have been using a standing only desk for some months now, and I really stand all day, I only seat at night for some mins. I love it, it's not tiring, my back never hurts, might be placebo but I even feel my mind more engaged.

[tbc]

I have been using a standing only desk for some months now, and I really stand all day, I only seat at night for some mins. I love it, it's not tiring, my back never hurts, might be placebo but I even feel my mind more engaged.

for one, your bloodflow is improved.

your legs don't pump blood as well when sitting vs standing.

ib4 someone tells me leg muscles aren't involved in your circulatory system lol

[tp4tissue]

I have been using a standing only desk for some months now, and I really stand all day, I only seat at night for some mins. I love it, it's not tiring, my back never hurts, might be placebo but I even feel my mind more engaged.

for one, your bloodflow is improved.

your legs don't pump blood as well when sitting vs standing.

ib4 someone tells me leg muscles aren't involved in your circulatory system lol

Legs are bad for your circulatory system..  they're dead weight..  I'd take them off if the world was made completely wheelchair accessible.

[davkol]

Sitting is generally preferred over standing when doing #2.

Not really. Sitting is known to make hemorrhoids much worse, and it may affect colonic diverticulosis, appendicitis and colon cancer to certain extent, among other issues. It isn't nearly as efficient as squatting either.

[katushkin]

Sitting multiplies the strain on your lower back by four over lying down.

The best desk to have would be one where you are lying down and staring straight up at your monitors...

However, if I got a standing desk, I would have to put a treadmill under it. There is no way I could stand all day.

[davkol]

The best desk to have would be one where you are lying down and staring straight up at your monitors...

So you'd be getting pressure ulcers instead. Meh.

[azhdar]

How would you position the keyboard on a lying station? on your lap?

[tp4tissue]

How would you position the keyboard on a lying station? on your lap?

I tried the lying station for a while..

It's not ideal..

The reason is,  in the lying position, the cranial pressure is significantly greater.

This is Ok when you're sleeping because your blood pressure is low...  but during waking hours, and hard-contemplation, the pressure inside your head and neck is very noticeable

[azhdar]

Maybe lying on an inclined surface.
50/50 between standing and sitting.

This might actually be great.

[tp4tissue]

Maybe lying on an inclined surface.
50/50 between standing and sitting.

This might actually be great.

Tried that too..

Same problem, anytime you're bent at an angle greater than 105 degrees, you need neck and head support.

The neck and head support increases cranial pressure.

[katushkin]

The best desk to have would be one where you are lying down and staring straight up at your monitors...

So you'd be getting pressure ulcers instead. Meh.

But you don't sit at your desk all day do you? You would get up and move around as much as you would anyway, but you would be almost forced to eat at somewhere which wasn't your desk, meaning you wouldn't get bed-sores.

How would you position the keyboard on a lying station? on your lap?

I would, for once, agree with tp on something, and say an ergodox with a long connector would be the best board. Your hands would be in a neutral position by the side of  you, and you would be using a trackball too.

Same problem, anytime you're bent at an angle greater than 105 degrees, you need neck and head support.

The neck and head support increases cranial pressure.

Not necessarily. Lying down in bed on a pillow doesn't increase cranial pressure. You would want a headrest that doesn't support the head, so much as the neck. One that goes under the base of the skull that supports the full weight of the neck and prevents the head  from tilting back.

We are talking a 100% ergonomic workstation here, so personal preferences aside, it's what is best for the body as a whole...

[katushkin]

Maybe lying on an inclined surface.
50/50 between standing and sitting.

This might actually be great.

Oh, yeah, this is what I'm talking about. Not actually using your bed as a workstation, but lying at like, 145-160 degrees

[tp4tissue]

The best desk to have would be one where you are lying down and staring straight up at your monitors...

So you'd be getting pressure ulcers instead. Meh.

But you don't sit at your desk all day do you? You would get up and move around as much as you would anyway, but you would be almost forced to eat at somewhere which wasn't your desk, meaning you wouldn't get bed-sores.

How would you position the keyboard on a lying station? on your lap?

I would, for once, agree with tp on something, and say an ergodox with a long connector would be the best board. Your hands would be in a neutral position by the side of  you, and you would be using a trackball too.

Same problem, anytime you're bent at an angle greater than 105 degrees, you need neck and head support.

The neck and head support increases cranial pressure.

Not necessarily. Lying down in bed on a pillow doesn't increase cranial pressure. You would want a headrest that doesn't support the head, so much as the neck. One that goes under the base of the skull that supports the full weight of the neck and prevents the head  from tilting back.

We are talking a 100% ergonomic workstation here, so personal preferences aside, it's what is best for the body as a whole...

Katushkin,  Have you TRIED laying in bed all day looking upwards....  you get a headache.. doesn't matter what pillow. what support

The neck support is a major problem because of the compression of your main arteries for your brain, leading to greater pressure.


I've at great expense, experimented with all seated and horizontal setups..      everything is great, back, legs torso,  EXCEPT the cranial pressure part, where you feel pressure in your head.

[davkol]

The best desk to have would be one where you are lying down and staring straight up at your monitors...

So you'd be getting pressure ulcers instead. Meh.

But you don't sit at your desk all day do you?

Let me quote your previous comment:

There is no way I could stand all day.

So yeah, a healthy individual already lies down about 8 hours a day on average. Which leads us to another issue…

You would get up and move around as much as you would anyway

No, not really. There's a much lower threshold with a standing desk.

[katushkin]

So yeah, a healthy individual already lies down about 8 hours a day on average. Which leads us to another issue…

You would get up and move around as much as you would anyway

No, not really. There's a much lower threshold with a standing desk.

A lower threshold of what? Moving around? Have you ever tried standing completely still for a prolonged period of time? I mean only shifting weight between two feet, with no shift in hips, arm movements, knee bending or head turning. You don't want to do it for more than a few hours. So why, if given the choice, would you stand at your desk for hours and hours and hours? It's the same as anything, you do it for a long time, you're going to want to do something else. Standing, sitting, lying, it's all the same.

Lying down in bed at 180 degrees is not the same as lying down at 145 degrees. When you sit on the sofa at home, when completely relaxed, do you think you sit at a 90 degree angle? You don't, you probably sit at anywhere between 100-145 degrees. People do regularly sit like that for hours on end.

[davkol]

Human body is built to walk around, stand, squat, lie down to rest/sleep. The thing about standing, even with support (e.g., a saddle stool) is that muscles necessary for changing the position are already in use to a certain extent.