Drug Use

[tp4tissue]

There is nothing inherently offensive or criminal about it.


The issue comes down to a major productivity loss on part of the user.


Therefore the central government Must ordain such acts to be illegal, otherwise, it risks an epidemic loss of low-cost labor.




I really wish people would understand this rather than the drivel Drug=Bad campaign which doesn't tell you anything about the reality of WHY drug=bad...

[paicrai]

idc mang just give me 420 pounds of weed

[Lurch]

apathy; the real killer

[inanis]

There is nothing inherently offensive or criminal about it.


The issue comes down to a major productivity loss on part of the user.


Therefore the central government Must ordain such acts to be illegal, otherwise, it risks an epidemic loss of low-cost labor.

I think that is extraordinarily overly simplified, and border line completely untrue.

[Hundrakia]

One could argue from the pedestal of altruism that it wracks the body, ending life needlessly early, whilst contributing nothing to a life well spent. But altruism isn't really a thing.

[tp4tissue]

you may ask..   Hey Tp4, do you do drugs,  why do you care..

First, TP4= Does NOT do drugs..


Second, I care because of the haughty dismissive attitude perpetuated by people who don't god-damn read


There are people out there, who thinks they're better than a drug-user without thought..

No...

Drug users, are the same people who chose a different mode of escapist activity.. That is all...

They are fundamentally no different than someone who chooses instead to ride fast vehicles, or skydive, or eat lots of cake.

[tp4tissue]

There is nothing inherently offensive or criminal about it.


The issue comes down to a major productivity loss on part of the user.


Therefore the central government Must ordain such acts to be illegal, otherwise, it risks an epidemic loss of low-cost labor.

I think that is extraordinarily overly simplified, and border line completely untrue.

It is completely true..   no one person decided it so simply,  but it can be viewed in 3rd person, that - THAT is exactly  WHY  drugs are illegal.


If there was a chemical, that made you exceedingly happy, AND you still went to work at the same productivity level,  You can BET such drug is NOT illegal..

OH WAIT...  Anti-depressants...     What are antidepressants?   Freaking Amphet-salts,  gee what's up with that

[inanis]

The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.

The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose.  It isn't about being better or worse.

[tp4tissue]

To Clarify..

Tp4  highly recommends everyone NOT to take illicit drugs..


But..   

Tp4 also recommends people think and understand why society struck such an accord rather than dismiss drug-users as outright bad people.

 They are NOT bad people..



No, I am not defending drug users, I don't even know any AFK..   

[tp4tissue]

The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.

The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose.  It isn't about being better or worse.

My perspective on drugs does NOT conflict with what you wrote here.. 

[demik]

There is nothing inherently offensive or criminal about it.


The issue comes down to a major productivity loss on part of the user.


Therefore the central government Must ordain such acts to be illegal, otherwise, it risks an epidemic loss of low-cost labor.

I think that is extraordinarily overly simplified, and border line completely untrue.

On par with everything that comes out of tp.

[Smasher816]

The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.

The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose.  It isn't about being better or worse.

My Tp4's perspective on drugs does NOT conflict with what you wrote here..

FTFY

[tp4tissue]

There is nothing inherently offensive or criminal about it.


The issue comes down to a major productivity loss on part of the user.


Therefore the central government Must ordain such acts to be illegal, otherwise, it risks an epidemic loss of low-cost labor.

I think that is extraordinarily overly simplified, and border line completely untrue.

On par with everything that comes out of tp.

Does it really matter,  if say, robert downey jr himself does drugs,  NO...  he's one guy who can afford to have a drug habit..

But What if 10000 kids who saw his movies did drugs...

the bottom 15% of those kids need to be in the military to ensure oil supply from the middle east,  only 1 might become super rich to support a drug habit..

The REST of those kids will have to go to work, and eat and have more kids and pay taxes to fix roads and national infrastructure..


THERE's the damn problem...      Drugs hurt the bottom end...   that's really it..

[pr0ximity]

Drug users, are the same people who chose a different mode of escapist activity.. That is all...

They are fundamentally no different than someone who chooses instead to ride fast vehicles, or skydive, or eat lots of cake.

One could argue that none of those activities are a terribly good idea. There are escapist activities that don't require a high risk of bodily harm, or excess in anything (caloric, monetary, or otherwise), are there not?

[tp4tissue]

Drug users, are the same people who chose a different mode of escapist activity.. That is all...

They are fundamentally no different than someone who chooses instead to ride fast vehicles, or skydive, or eat lots of cake.

One could argue that none of those activities are a terribly good idea. There are escapist activities that don't require a high risk of bodily harm, or excess in anything (caloric, monetary, or otherwise), are there not?

My point is that motivations are the same for EVERYONE..

From the Personal perspective, it comes down to how much resources one can devote to their escape..

[tp4tissue]

The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.

The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose.  It isn't about being better or worse.

My Tp4's perspective on drugs does NOT conflict with what you wrote here..

FTFY

txxxxx

[inanis]

The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.

The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose.  It isn't about being better or worse.

My perspective on drugs does NOT conflict with what you wrote here.. 

If we are talking about prescription drugs, prescribed by a doctor that is monitoring care, then yes, those can be quite helpful and certainly should be considered. If we are talking about someone self-medicating to conceal a real issue that is another story entirely. The trouble is that it can be difficult to distinguish between the two for a external observer. "Oh, he just likes to smoke some weed to relax" might appear that way at first, or even for a long while. You don't really know until it becomes a problem. Stating that drug use comes down to "A major productivity loss on part of the user" and calling that the main problem is very, very misleading.

This is an issue I am very familiar with. There is nothing wrong admitting to and then seeking help for a mental illness - there should be no stigma associated with that. That may be with prescribed drugs, or it may be with some kind of therapy. The stigma often associated to reaching out for help only makes the problem worse. And people who think that using drugs, particularly stronger substances, is just a form of escapism are not helping that cause. Sometimes people need real help, and there is nothing wrong with that. Self medicating is almost never the answer.

For the record, I'm not a fan of the government telling me I can't grow a freaking plant because they say  it is bad. That is stupid. I also don't have a problem with the people who can casually and responsibly handle their recreational drug use. What I do have an issue with is the self-medicating users. The two groups are distinct.

[osi]

What if my genetic makeup gives me a -50 to motivation.

Would it be wrong to use an amphetasalt to balance me out?

[tp4tissue]

The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.

The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose.  It isn't about being better or worse.

My perspective on drugs does NOT conflict with what you wrote here.. 

If we are talking about prescription drugs, prescribed by a doctor that is monitoring care, then yes, those can be quite helpful and certainly should be considered. If we are talking about someone self-medicating to conceal a real issue that is another story entirely. The trouble is that it can be difficult to distinguish between the two for a external observer. "Oh, he just likes to smoke some weed to relax" might appear that way at first, or even for a long while. You don't really know until it becomes a problem. Stating that drug use comes down to "A major productivity loss on part of the user" and calling that the main problem is very, very misleading.

This is an issue I am very familiar with. There is nothing wrong admitting to and then seeking help for a mental illness - there should be no stigma associated with that. That may be with prescribed drugs, or it may be with some kind of therapy. The stigma often associated to reaching out for help only makes the problem worse. And people who think that using drugs, particularly stronger substances, is just a form of escapism are not helping that cause. Sometimes people need real help, and there is nothing wrong with that. Self medicating is almost never the answer.

For the record, I'm not a fan of the government telling me I can't grow a freaking plant because they say  it is bad. That is stupid. I also don't have a problem with the people who can casually and responsibly handle their recreational drug use. What I do have an issue with is the self-medicating users. The two groups are distinct.

The government does not care how people feel... as long as whatever they're feeling leads them to increased GDP..

That is the true fundamental..


You're describing a set of mentally ill people who coincidentally may become dependent on drugs.. yea, these people exist..

but EVERYONE is at potential for drug abuse..

The human body is in actuality a persistent Imbalance, which requires constant maintenance..

[tp4tissue]

What if my genetic makeup gives me a -50 to motivation.

Would it be wrong to use an amphetasalt to balance me out?

low motivation,  is the same as  ease of satiation..


The trouble is, while amphet salts might make you FEEL balanced,    it probably won't make you pay more taxes..

So...  the government probably wouldn't let you take it for "THAT"



However,   if you have a ADHD,  then yes, amphet salts WOULD make you pay more taxes.. so, then you could take it.

[osi]

What if my genetic makeup gives me a -50 to motivation.

Would it be wrong to use an amphetasalt to balance me out?

low motivation,  is the same as  ease of satiation..


The trouble is, while amphet salts might make you FEEL balanced,    it probably won't make you pay more taxes..

So...  the government probably wouldn't let you take it for "THAT"



However,   if you have a ADHD,  then yes, amphet salts WOULD make you pay more taxes.. so, then you could take it.

Let's simplify it. Make it -50 (normal trait)

Is it wrong to take +50 (normal trait)?

[Lanx]

in the 80's saturday morning cartoons were interrupted with

just say no was too powerful of an initiative launched in the 80's i remember going to special counselor slim downed classes of 5, just to make sure we all knew to just say no.


here's the updated version

[inanis]

The government does not care how people feel... as long as whatever they're feeling leads them to increased GDP..

That is the true fundamental..

So by your logic, the government says that drugs are illegal so that everyone will work harder and increase the GDP?  This makes very little sense to me. Hell, if they fully legalized pot, how much more money could they be collecting in taxes?

but EVERYONE is at potential for drug abuse..

I also disagree with this. I think anyone could have some life event that leads them down a path, sure. But I don't think all people, without some intervening force, innately have a potential for drug abuse.

The human body is fundamentally an Imbalance, which requires constant maintenance..

I do agree with this. One person might encounter some stress or hardship in their life and take care of it by listening to loud music while driving home, or maybe by taking off for a week to get some perspective. Another person might shoot some heroin. These should not be treated as equally good coping mechanisms. Now if someone is experiencing a life event and they require some extra help to overcome it and seek help for that, that should be encouraged, particularly over self medication.

[osi]

When I went to elemtary school, at the time we were privileged enough to have the D.A.R.E. program.

Never knew so many drugs existed at my young age. Thankfully the sheriff's department had a brief case fashioned to be see through and fitted with ~shot glass sized compartments. Each of the compartments containing various drugs. The local dept was even kind enough to clearly label everything--how thoughtful!!

I the preceeeded to carefully jot down the list...  <--- jk

[dorkvader]

The government does not care how people feel... as long as whatever they're feeling leads them to increased GDP..

That is the true fundamental..

So by your logic, the government says that drugs are illegal so that everyone will work harder and increase the GDP?  This makes very little sense to me. Hell, if they fully legalized pot, how much more money could they be collecting in taxes?

I see this as an extreme reductionist argument that's more in line with a general commentary of how the government operates than a specific claim about the superficial issue.

but EVERYONE is at potential for drug abuse..

I also disagree with this. I think anyone could have some life event that leads them down a path, sure. But I don't think all people, without some intervening force, innately have a potential for drug abuse.

I think TP4 is correct in this, but it really depends on what facet you are examining. Clearly everyone has the potential for drug abuse, but you can claim that everyone has a potential for something. Bringing out that potential, or having it affect your life is (perhaps) more dependent on the situation and history than any innate potential. I suppose that some people are more susceptible than others though.

For example: alcohol and caffeine seem to be two of society's drugs of choice. There are people that abuse either. While it can be said that less people abuse alcohol, caffeine is becoming quite ubiquitous at least here in the US and I would say that many people are abusing it (one or more coffee a day is the norm in many places, and I would characterize this as abuse). Fortunately, caffeine seems to have less side-effects than other drugs.

The human body is fundamentally an Imbalance, which requires constant maintenance..

I do agree with this. One person might encounter some stress or hardship in their life and take care of it by listening to loud music while driving home, or maybe by taking off for a week to get some perspective. Another person might shoot some heroin. These should not be treated as equally good coping mechanisms. Now if someone is experiencing a life event and they require some extra help to overcome it and seek help for that, that should be encouraged, particularly over self medication.

I agree. Regulation is very important and some people with difficulty doing that (bipolar spectrum seems to be a common example) often will self-regulate with the assistance of drugs or other escapist / targeted activities. I think that this is potentially very bad for the person in question, so I encourage everyone with difficulty regulating to seek assistance with that.

[noisyturtle]

I only smoke when I'm board. Right now I'm unemployed, so I am board a lot.

[paicrai]

I only smoke when I'm board. Right now I'm unemployed, so I am board a lot.

bored*

[noisyturtle]

I only smoke when I'm board. Right now I'm unemployed, so I am board a lot.

bored*

Don't correct me. I said I was board and I stand by it.

[paicrai]

I only smoke when I'm board. Right now I'm unemployed, so I am board a lot.

bored*

Don't correct me. I said I was board and I stand by it.
(Attachment Link)

dont smoke during board meetings

[inanis]

but EVERYONE is at potential for drug abuse..

I also disagree with this. I think anyone could have some life event that leads them down a path, sure. But I don't think all people, without some intervening force, innately have a potential for drug abuse.

I think TP4 is correct in this, but it really depends on what facet you are examining. Clearly everyone has the potential for drug abuse, but you can claim that everyone has a potential for something. Bringing out that potential, or having it affect your life is (perhaps) more dependent on the situation and history than any innate potential. I suppose that some people are more susceptible than others though.

For example: alcohol and caffeine seem to be two of society's drugs of choice. There are people that abuse either. While it can be said that less people abuse alcohol, caffeine is becoming quite ubiquitous at least here in the US and I would say that many people are abusing it (one or more coffee a day is the norm in many places, and I would characterize this as abuse). Fortunately, caffeine seems to have less side-effects than other drugs.

I do agree with your point here. I was coming at it from to strict of an angle. You are absolutely correct that anyone - and in fact most people, will develop some level of addiction in their life. Admittedly, mine is coffee. I am weak for the caffeine, so weak.

[tp4tissue]

What if my genetic makeup gives me a -50 to motivation.

Would it be wrong to use an amphetasalt to balance me out?

low motivation,  is the same as  ease of satiation..


The trouble is, while amphet salts might make you FEEL balanced,    it probably won't make you pay more taxes..

So...  the government probably wouldn't let you take it for "THAT"



However,   if you have a ADHD,  then yes, amphet salts WOULD make you pay more taxes.. so, then you could take it.

Let's simplify it. Make it -50 (normal trait)

Is it wrong to take +50 (normal trait)?

Let's say you need 50 wood to build a house...

you have 100 stone..  so you trade 50 stone for 50 wood.. and your house gets built..

[noisyturtle]

Is it considered abuse if you have a legitimate medical need for it? And by need I mean it being a safer alternative to other treatments.

[Input Nirvana]

in the 80's saturday morning cartoons were interrupted with

just say no was too powerful of an initiative launched in the 80's i remember going to special counselor slim downed classes of 5, just to make sure we all knew to just say no.

Show Image

here's the updated version

I "just said no" to Nancy Reagan.

I've been happy and well adjusted ever since.

P.S. That girl in the bottom video is FREAKKI'N HOT!!!

[noisyturtle]

Confirmed Rachael Leigh Cook is hot as heck.

[Input Nirvana]

Confirmed Rachael Leigh Cook is hot as heck.

I love her.
For now.

[tp4tissue]

Confirmed Rachael Leigh Cook is hot as heck.

I love her.
For now.

I don't like her chin...  No go

[Input Nirvana]

Confirmed Rachael Leigh Cook is hot as heck.

I love her.
For now.

I don't like her chin...  No go

Who cares about her chin? Will be covered by your nut sack.

I'm partial to her outfit...the white string tshirt displaying her milk baggies and form fitting jeans...short, pert hair...reminds me of a girl I either tried with unsuccessfully or blew t with...either way I regret it now...

[cmadrid]

Then we have the 'War on Drug's to combat drug use.. akin to treating cancer patients with a flame thrower

[Input Nirvana]

Then we have the 'War on Drug's to combat drug use.. akin to treating cancer patients with a flame thrower

Now THAT I gotta SEE!

[Findecanor]

As if regular cancer treatment isn't painful enough...

[iri]

When I went to elemtary school, at the time we were privileged enough to have the D.A.R.E. program.

Never knew so many drugs existed at my young age. Thankfully the sheriff's department had a brief case fashioned to be see through and fitted with ~shot glass sized compartments. Each of the compartments containing various drugs. The local dept was even kind enough to clearly label everything--how thoughtful!!

I the preceeeded to carefully jot down the list...  <--- jk

<DaZE> at my school.. the cop from DARE passed around 3 joints to show everyone... and he said "if i dont get all three of these back this schools getting locked down and everyones getting searched till i find it.." and like 30 minutes later when everyone got to see 'em and they got passed back the cop had 4

[cmadrid]

LOL

[dorkvader]

When I went to elemtary school, at the time we were privileged enough to have the D.A.R.E. program.

Never knew so many drugs existed at my young age. Thankfully the sheriff's department had a brief case fashioned to be see through and fitted with ~shot glass sized compartments. Each of the compartments containing various drugs. The local dept was even kind enough to clearly label everything--how thoughtful!!

I the preceeeded to carefully jot down the list...  <--- jk

<DaZE> at my school.. the cop from DARE passed around 3 joints to show everyone... and he said "if i dont get all three of these back this schools getting locked down and everyones getting searched till i find it.." and like 30 minutes later when everyone got to see 'em and they got passed back the cop had 4

http://bash.org/?409

[osi]

Yous guys