Engrish grammerz is lost?

[paicrai]

nice try

[mreverything]

This book is relevant, and good:

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/39269658

[tp4tissue]

So who among GHers speaks the best 'Murica..

That is the most important question..

[chrisq]

Am I the only one who think that German is a really cool and nice sounding language?  You know, when it's not just a bunch of people yelling like in the war movies.

Actually, yelling in war movies is the only place i think german is appropriate.

[tp4tissue]

Am I the only one who think that German is a really cool and nice sounding language?  You know, when it's not just a bunch of people yelling like in the war movies.

Actually, yelling in war movies is the only place i think german is appropriate.

It only sounds gritty and abrasive because you don't know what they're saying..

If you had say an Eskimo listen to war-yelling in English... that'd sound just as gritty..

[chrisq]

Am I the only one who think that German is a really cool and nice sounding language?  You know, when it's not just a bunch of people yelling like in the war movies.

Actually, yelling in war movies is the only place i think german is appropriate.

It only sounds gritty and abrasive because you don't know what they're saying..

If you had say an Eskimo listen to war-yelling in English... that'd sound just as gritty..

Oh I understand it quite well. German is just the natural war language here in europe after their exploits in the last 100 years.

It might change to russian if Putler keeps it up though.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

TL;DR this thread... but my opinion on this:

I blame the complete lack of Darwinism in humanity, and particularly in America.

Idiots breeding with other idiots that, in any other species, would have died for their stupidity.

Not to mention that the average American isn't intelligent enough to embrace their own beliefs, so they conform to everyone else's. And these days, since a majority of people lack decent language skills, it's become a part of the culture.

This is the danger of conformity...

[tp4tissue]

TL;DR this thread... but my opinion on this:

I blame the complete lack of Darwinism in humanity, and particularly in America.

Idiots breeding with other idiots that, in any other species, would have died for their stupidity.

Not to mention that the average American isn't intelligent enough to embrace their own beliefs, so they conform to everyone else's. And these days, since a majority of people lack decent language skills, it's become a part of the culture.

This is the danger of conformity...

I think your perspective is the same as Every Older person looking at Younger People..


If you look across your age group.. probably most people measure up closely..

But if you look at young people 10yrs your junior, , they're going to lack the life experience and the Few extra text-books you've read..

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I think your perspective is the same as Every Older person looking at Younger People..


If you look across your age group.. probably most people measure up closely..

But if you look at young people 10yrs your junior, , they're going to lack the life experience and the Few extra text-books you've read..

Here's the thing: 10 years my junior is looking at 10 year olds...

I was referring to people in my own generation when I said "the average American isn't intelligent enough to embrace their own beliefs".

[mreverything]

Here's the thing: 10 years my junior is looking at 10 year olds...

Computer-Lab's an old soul.

[goflo]

Oh I understand it quite well. German is just the natural war language here in europe after their exploits in the last 100 years.

It might change to russian if Putler keeps it up though.

I donīt quite understand why everyone says that the german language sounds like "war language".
I think most of them only know the "well known movies/tv parts" of 70 years ago.

But the OPs mentioned problem isnīt an english/american problem only
It happens here in germany in quite the same way.

[tp4tissue]

I think your perspective is the same as Every Older person looking at Younger People..


If you look across your age group.. probably most people measure up closely..

But if you look at young people 10yrs your junior, , they're going to lack the life experience and the Few extra text-books you've read..

Here's the thing: 10 years my junior is looking at 10 year olds...

I was referring to people in my own generation when I said "the average American isn't intelligent enough to embrace their own beliefs".

I don't want to get into a semantics argument..

But that makes no sense...  You can only believe, What you believe... the only belief you can embrace is your own belief..


Now,  if you're specifying the ORIGIN of any such belief..  that's somewhat frivolous as well, because there is no such thing as Original Belief..

Every construct is unique given complete description.. if all is original, then nothing is original.


Everything you could possibly believe is then a derivative of something that came before.


So...  it's not possible to draw a line somewhere, and say this is to be embraced, this is yours, this is original...   doing so would be equally arbitrary to directly choosing the "alleged" group think.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I used the term "beliefs" a bit too broadly it seems...

I was referring more to free thinking. The ability to take in outside information, process it, and make your own opinion based on it. Something many Americans lack. They believe what their told rather than coming up with their own conclusions.

[Melvang]

I still feel the worst butchering of engrish is when someone wants to "axe you a quesin".  No you can't "axe" me anything.

And that's what grinds my gears.

I know I don't have the best English grammar or spelling skills (thank god for spell check), but I don't try and perpetuate it.  I don't even use "text talk" when I text. 

[chrisq]

I used the term "beliefs" a bit too broadly it seems...

I was referring more to free thinking. The ability to take in outside information, process it, and make your own opinion based on it. Something many Americans lack. They believe what their told rather than coming up with their own conclusions.

I would say that the americans are better than average when it comes to this, it's a part of their culture.

[tp4tissue]

I used the term "beliefs" a bit too broadly it seems...

I was referring more to free thinking. The ability to take in outside information, process it, and make your own opinion based on it. Something many Americans lack. They believe what their told rather than coming up with their own conclusions.

Free thinking...

hmm.....  I believe -Free Thinking- to be an extreme luxury because it is something that requires a very relaxed lifestyle with enormous amounts of free time.

If we look at the hierarchy of needs..  things on the bottom rung typically -needs- to be filled before a person "freely" pursues mental, intellectual fulfillment and self awareness..


So.. let's look at the typical age 20..  in the average family, this person would probably have to work a bit to buy the things he wants...  if he's not very good looking, he needs to work even more to buy gifts or similarly use time to acquire conversational charm to sex-up-the-females.

How much TIME does the average ^^^^ this person have  for   "free thinking"...



10 years later, he's got a job, he's sexed up all the females,  Now he's on the Job trying to get more money, to pay for the children all the sexing produced...   

How much time does ^^^^ this Guy have for "Free Thinking"..



Now.. lets look at some kid, parents household income 400,000...  Never has to work.. only child..  IMMENSE free time to do whatever..    assuming this kid also has some luck with the females, (time saving luck),   

^^^  What percentage of America fits this profile..   to produce 20 year olds that seeks intellectual fulfillment..



So.. to consolidate,  it is not that the average American is stupid or mindless,  it comes down to where any such American falls on Income distribution..

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I used the term "beliefs" a bit too broadly it seems...

I was referring more to free thinking. The ability to take in outside information, process it, and make your own opinion based on it. Something many Americans lack. They believe what their told rather than coming up with their own conclusions.

I would say that the americans are better than average when it comes to this, it's a part of their culture.

I might be SLIGHTLY exaggerating in my portrayal of the "average" American.

Maybe I'm biased due to the fact that I'm only a few years out of high school and my class was, and I quote, "the worst class to go through this school in 50 years".

It also doesn't help that I live in a fairly remote part of my state, where there seems to be an abundance of idiot rednecks.

[baldgye]

I used the term "beliefs" a bit too broadly it seems...

I was referring more to free thinking. The ability to take in outside information, process it, and make your own opinion based on it. Something many Americans lack. They believe what their told rather than coming up with their own conclusions.

I would say that the americans are better than average when it comes to this, it's a part of their culture.

Isn't Anerican culture set up to be the exact opposite of that?

With a horribly unfair two party system America uses, and the fact that there is unlimited spending allowed for parties means only the richest may apply and get anywhere really... Yet everywhere the chimes of 'worlds greatest democracy' is chanted out which all the other brainwashed patriotism...



Though I think it's unfair to be so harsh on Americans in this regard as I'm pretty certain that it applies to all humans, regardless of nationality, race or age.

[tp4tissue]

I used the term "beliefs" a bit too broadly it seems...

I was referring more to free thinking. The ability to take in outside information, process it, and make your own opinion based on it. Something many Americans lack. They believe what their told rather than coming up with their own conclusions.

I would say that the americans are better than average when it comes to this, it's a part of their culture.

I might be SLIGHTLY exaggerating in my portrayal of the "average" American.

Maybe I'm biased due to the fact that I'm only a few years out of high school and my class was, and I quote, "the worst class to go through this school in 50 years".

It also doesn't help that I live in a fairly remote part of my state, where there seems to be an abundance of idiot rednecks.

don't know if you got through my previous post yet,  but your experience would fit quite well,  how rich are those average rednecks in a remote end of the state.

[tp4tissue]

I used the term "beliefs" a bit too broadly it seems...

I was referring more to free thinking. The ability to take in outside information, process it, and make your own opinion based on it. Something many Americans lack. They believe what their told rather than coming up with their own conclusions.

I would say that the americans are better than average when it comes to this, it's a part of their culture.

Isn't Anerican culture set up to be the exact opposite of that?

With a horribly unfair two party system America uses, and the fact that there is unlimited spending allowed for parties means only the richest may apply and get anywhere really... Yet everywhere the chimes of 'worlds greatest democracy' is chanted out which all the other brainwashed patriotism...

American Culture   as is ...   is designed to keep the average educational level LOW.. to produce   SOLDIERs...

Without soldiers,  America, even with advance weapons technology will not be able to fight China..   Because while Battles can be Won with Missiles,  WARS are won with occupational forces..

Books are Cheap..  Teachers are Cheap..  why does America have such poor education... it doesn't add up...


This is a bit conspiracy-ish  I agree,   but there are great many historical analysts in the system these days,   and I think they're doing a great job..


For example...  the fall of British power was directly due to the collapse of their birthrate when their standards of living and educational average continued to grow..


Educated people have less children...   until the country no longer produces enough soldiers to fight a war..


at that point, they rely on sale of technology and financial services..

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

don't know if you got through my previous post yet,  but your experience would fit quite well,  how rich are those average rednecks in a remote end of the state.

I can see that yes, in certain situations, your scenario fits quite well with the types of folk I grew up around. There was about equal parts pretentious *******s who had everything handed to them and well-rounded individuals who had to work for what they had and had better character for it.

What I don't quite understand is your perception of time as it pertains to the ability of a free thinker.

You're implying that someone brought up in a wealthy family environment who had everything handed to them is a person who is more likely to be a free thinker simply because they have more free time?

To be perfectly honest, I think the fact that your basing someones intelligence or their ability to think freely on their socio-economic status is blatantly wrong.

It all boils down to who you are as a person, and that boils down to three basic categories:

    - parenting (how you were raised)
    - social pressures (being pressured to conform)
    - genetics (science)

[tp4tissue]

don't know if you got through my previous post yet,  but your experience would fit quite well,  how rich are those average rednecks in a remote end of the state.

I can see that yes, in certain situations, your scenario fits quite well with the types of folk I grew up around. There was about equal parts pretentious *******s who had everything handed to them and well-rounded individuals who had to work for what they had and had better character for it.

What I don't quite understand is your perception of time as it pertains to the ability of a free thinker.

You're implying that someone brought up in a wealthy family environment who had everything handed to them is a person who is more likely to be a free thinker simply because they have more free time?

To be perfectly honest, I think the fact that your basing someones intelligence or their ability to think freely on their socio-economic status is blatantly wrong.

Socio Economic status does not GIVE them the ability to free think..

But it can be a predictor of how LIKELY  that person is to Become ONE..

Because my premise is that  MONEY = Leisure Time..   


and Leisure Time, whether it is used to think or not,   IF IN ABundance will more likely  produce your-free-thinkers.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

-snip-

Read my above edit.

[baldgye]

    - genetics (science)

Genetics helps make you more or less open minded? links??

[tp4tissue]

-snip-

Read my above edit.

It all boils down to who you are as a person, and that boils down to three basic categories:

    - parenting (how you were raised)
    - social pressures (being pressured to conform)
    - genetics (science)


Parenting..   

rich vs poor parents..

Why is one parent rich..   (his parents were likely rich, and on and on)  (this is likelihood not absolute)

Why is one parent poor.. (his parents were poor)



Social pressure..

Rich parents,  You have all the same gear the cool kids have, (what social pressure)

Poor parents, You stand out, because your parents couldn't afford pokemon cards..


Genetics..  given how wildly humans breed with one another, it's unlikely that genetics have as much to do with Free thinking as does socio-economics.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

    - genetics (science)

Genetics helps make you more or less open minded? links??

I believe I stated that " who you are as a person" boils down to those three things. Did not mean to imply that genetics affects
your ability to be open-minded (which is obviously based on the first two).
   

[baldgye]

    - genetics (science)

Genetics helps make you more or less open minded? links??

I believe I stated that " who you are as a person" boils down to those three things. Did not mean to imply that genetics affects
your ability to be open-minded (which is obviously based on the first two).
   

ahh ok fair enough... I thought I had just missed out on something lol

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

    - genetics (science)

Genetics helps make you more or less open minded? links??

I believe I stated that " who you are as a person" boils down to those three things. Did not mean to imply that genetics affects
your ability to be open-minded (which is obviously based on the first two).
   

ahh ok fair enough... I thought I had just missed out on something lol

Nope, I probably could have better worded that post... oh well.

I'm tired of arguing with tp, I'm going back to work now...

(I rather enjoyed that debate though).

[tp4tissue]

    - genetics (science)

Genetics helps make you more or less open minded? links??

I believe I stated that " who you are as a person" boils down to those three things. Did not mean to imply that genetics affects
your ability to be open-minded (which is obviously based on the first two).
   

ahh ok fair enough... I thought I had just missed out on something lol

Nope, I probably could have better worded that post... oh well.

I'm tired of arguing with tp, I'm going back to work now...

(I rather enjoyed that debate though).

/Tp4  Claims VICTORY..

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

/Tp4  Claims VICTORY..

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aaand THAT speaks to your character more than the entire debate did...

[tp4tissue]

/Tp4  Claims VICTORY..

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aaand THAT speaks to your character more than the entire debate did...

Does it ?   or did you fundamentally misunderstand my sarcasm because you were agitated by the fact that someone else has a different opinion.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

/Tp4  Claims VICTORY..

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aaand THAT speaks to your character more than the entire debate did...

Does it ?   or did you fundamentally misunderstand my sarcasm because you were agitated by the fact that someone else has a different opinion.

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Oh I more than understood your sarcasm. Which was precisely my point...

[tp4tissue]

/Tp4  Claims VICTORY..

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aaand THAT speaks to your character more than the entire debate did...

Does it ?   or did you fundamentally misunderstand my sarcasm because you were agitated by the fact that someone else has a different opinion.

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Oh I more than understood your sarcasm. Which was precisely my point...

...

So you're claiming,, I misunderstood YOUR sarcasm, when you sarcastically misunderstood MY sarcasm

?

***** bring it !! 

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

/Tp4  Claims VICTORY..

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aaand THAT speaks to your character more than the entire debate did...

Does it ?   or did you fundamentally misunderstand my sarcasm because you were agitated by the fact that someone else has a different opinion.

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Oh I more than understood your sarcasm. Which was precisely my point...

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So you're claiming,, I misunderstood YOUR sarcasm, when you sarcastically misunderstood MY sarcasm

?

***** bring it !! 

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Actually, I lied about understanding your sarcasm. My intention was to make you THINK I understood it, so you would begin over-analyzing how my understanding of your sarcasm means you misunderstood MY sarcasm, proving that you have a tendency to over-analyze the most trivial things.

I rest my case.

[tp4tissue]

/Tp4  Claims VICTORY..

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aaand THAT speaks to your character more than the entire debate did...

Does it ?   or did you fundamentally misunderstand my sarcasm because you were agitated by the fact that someone else has a different opinion.

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Oh I more than understood your sarcasm. Which was precisely my point...

...

So you're claiming,, I misunderstood YOUR sarcasm, when you sarcastically misunderstood MY sarcasm

?

***** bring it !! 

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Actually, I lied about understanding your sarcasm. My intention was to make you THINK I understood it, so you would begin over-analyzing how my understanding of your sarcasm means you misunderstood MY sarcasm, proving that you have a tendency to over-analyze the most trivial things.

I rest my case.

Nothing is trivial..

and I don't know why you're so proud of merely having 'Lied"   

That is not wit..

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

Nothing is trivial..

and I don't know why you're so proud of merely having 'Lied"   

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That is not wit..

You've obviously never seen House, M.D.

And EVERYTHING is trivial when you consider the vastness of our known universe, and when you consider how insignificant we all are in relation to it.

To put it into a different context, as quoted by the late Robin Williams, "We are food for worms, lads." (Dead Poets Society, 1989)

[mreverything]

I still feel the worst butchering of engrish is when someone wants to "axe you a quesin".  No you can't "axe" me anything.

And that's what grinds my gears.

I know I don't have the best English grammar or spelling skills (thank god for spell check), but I don't try and perpetuate it.  I don't even use "text talk" when I text.

I understand the grindiness of your gears, though this is a rather common misconception. Ax is a correct pronunciation, descriptively and historically. From the Oxford English Dictionary:

"Acsian, axian [Old English forms], survived in ax, down to nearly 1600 the regular literary form, and still used everywhere in midl. and southern dialects, though supplanted in standard English by ask, originally the northern form."

Of course, in the above quote, "standard" English is not necessarily "correct" English. Standard English is just the dialect which, because of historical accident, has had the greatest political and economic influence.

[iri]

I used the term "beliefs" a bit too broadly it seems...

I was referring more to free thinking. The ability to take in outside information, process it, and make your own opinion based on it. Something many Americans lack. They believe what their told rather than coming up with their own conclusions.

I would say that the americans are better than average when it comes to this, it's a part of their culture.

i hope you are sarcastic.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I used the term "beliefs" a bit too broadly it seems...

I was referring more to free thinking. The ability to take in outside information, process it, and make your own opinion based on it. Something many Americans lack. They believe what their told rather than coming up with their own conclusions.

I would say that the americans are better than average when it comes to this, it's a part of their culture.

i hope you are sarcastic.

I didn't even question this, I just assumed it was a joke...

[tbc]

I used the term "beliefs" a bit too broadly it seems...

I was referring more to free thinking. The ability to take in outside information, process it, and make your own opinion based on it. Something many Americans lack. They believe what their told rather than coming up with their own conclusions.

I would say that the americans are better than average when it comes to this, it's a part of their culture.

i hope you are sarcastic.

I didn't even question this, I just assumed it was a joke...

i thought he was sayung that americans are better than average at being stupid lll.

[C5Allroad]

This thread is not so active I know... But this one really brothers me...
"Yeee I seen that movie"

[tp4tissue]

This thread is not so active I know... But this one really brothers me...
"Yeee I seen that movie"

The movie about a chinese guy whose name was "yeee", yes with 3 e-s,

and You've seen this movie.