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Offline MidnightXZ

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Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 01:54:03 »
So I'm thinking about getting a cable or two from Mimic Cables, and I want a detachable cable for my Filco, and I'm wondering whether or not to make the detachable end using a female Mini USB port or a female Micro USB port. I know how Mini USB is rated for 5,000 insertions while Micro USB is rated for 10,000 insertions (considering one reason for why MicroUSB was developed in the first place was the supposed reliability issue with Mini USB), which should I use on the end of my cable for a detachable cable mid for my Filco, Micro or Mini USB? Does anyone have first hand experience on reliability for both?

Other things to note is that, although Mini USB is what you usually see on keyboards, Micro USB is more ubiquitous nowadays with smartphones and other things everywhere using them. I dunno. I can't decide whether to go with Micro or Mini USB. Halp. :)
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 07:04:02 »
If you get another board later, most of them use mini.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 07:07:52 »
Irrelevant...

How many times do you ACTUALLY detach the cable..

How many times are you going to bring a keyboard back and forth out of novelty, until you realize this is extra hassle you don't need..


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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 07:54:30 »
I keep my cables plugged into the keyboards most of the time. I have a docking station at work and at home already plugged with keyboards and displays, I only plug and unplug the computer. At work, the computer plugs with a special docking station connector -its and old thinkpad base-, and at home I use one
of its USB ports with a general type usb docking unit.


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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 11:46:05 »


Irrelevant...

How many times do you ACTUALLY detach the cable..

How many times are you going to bring a keyboard back and forth out of novelty, until you realize this is extra hassle you don't need..


Some easy multiplication will enlighten you to the fact that even 1000 rating may be more than enough for a lifetime..

Somewhat often as I'm a bit of a clean freak and will unplug it to shake out dust and bits of skin from the keyboard along with a good blowing with a datavac.

I keep my cables plugged into the keyboards most of the time. I have a docking station at work and at home already plugged with keyboards and displays, I only plug and unplug the computer. At work, the computer plugs with a special docking station connector -its and old thinkpad base-, and at home I use one
of its USB ports with a general type usb docking unit.

I have a similar setup with my keyboard and other junk plugged into a usb hub, but still, refer to my cleaning above lol.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 12:38:28 »
Use Micro connectors. From here:

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The Micro-USB connector was announced by the USB-IF on 4 January 2007. The Mini-A connector and the Mini-AB receptacle connector were deprecated on 23 May 2007. [..] The Micro plug design is rated for at least 10,000 connect-disconnect cycles, which is more than the Mini plug design [5,000]. It is also designed to reduce the mechanical wear on the device; instead the easier-to-replace cable is designed to bear the mechanical wear of connection and disconnection.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 12:41:57 »


Irrelevant...

How many times do you ACTUALLY detach the cable..

How many times are you going to bring a keyboard back and forth out of novelty, until you realize this is extra hassle you don't need..


Some easy multiplication will enlighten you to the fact that even 1000 rating may be more than enough for a lifetime..

Somewhat often as I'm a bit of a clean freak and will unplug it to shake out dust and bits of skin from the keyboard along with a good blowing with a datavac.

I keep my cables plugged into the keyboards most of the time. I have a docking station at work and at home already plugged with keyboards and displays, I only plug and unplug the computer. At work, the computer plugs with a special docking station connector -its and old thinkpad base-, and at home I use one
of its USB ports with a general type usb docking unit.

I have a similar setup with my keyboard and other junk plugged into a usb hub, but still, refer to my cleaning above lol.

so you clean ur keyboard lets say 2x a month... 500x is good for... 20 years... yea ?

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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 12:57:13 »


Irrelevant...

How many times do you ACTUALLY detach the cable..

How many times are you going to bring a keyboard back and forth out of novelty, until you realize this is extra hassle you don't need..


Some easy multiplication will enlighten you to the fact that even 1000 rating may be more than enough for a lifetime..

Somewhat often as I'm a bit of a clean freak and will unplug it to shake out dust and bits of skin from the keyboard along with a good blowing with a datavac.

I keep my cables plugged into the keyboards most of the time. I have a docking station at work and at home already plugged with keyboards and displays, I only plug and unplug the computer. At work, the computer plugs with a special docking station connector -its and old thinkpad base-, and at home I use one
of its USB ports with a general type usb docking unit.

I have a similar setup with my keyboard and other junk plugged into a usb hub, but still, refer to my cleaning above lol.

so you clean ur keyboard lets say 2x a month... 500x is good for... 20 years... yea ?
More like once every 3 days or so.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 13:02:42 »


Use Micro connectors. From here:

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The Micro-USB connector was announced by the USB-IF on 4 January 2007. The Mini-A connector and the Mini-AB receptacle connector were deprecated on 23 May 2007. [..] The Micro plug design is rated for at least 10,000 connect-disconnect cycles, which is more than the Mini plug design [5,000]. It is also designed to reduce the mechanical wear on the device; instead the easier-to-replace cable is designed to bear the mechanical wear of connection and disconnection.

Yeah, I know about how much they're designed to last, I'm wondering how accurate that is in real life usage though. Although it's probably better that the cable takes on the stress than the port, so I guess I'll go with micro, thanks!
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 13:13:41 »
Naturally, as with many things, people vary according to how often they disconnect/reconnect keyboards and whether they do this at the keyboard, at a hub, or at the computer.

In my case, I frequently change keyboards, and I prefer disconnecting them at the keyboard and putting the switched-out keyboard back into its box for temporary storage.

Most of my keyboards that have detachable cables use a mini-USB, but I have two keyboards with micro-USB, one with USB-B, and some vintage IBM boards with SDL connectors.

I am in the process of refurbishing some IBM Model F keyboards and converting them to USB. If the new USB-C connector with C2 rotational symmetry were already widely available, I would use it. However, for now, I would favor using micro-USB. This is because mini-USB has been deprecated and micro-USB is rated higher for the number of connects/disconnects before failure.

In addition to choosing a type of connector, I would strongly urge incorporating a strain-relief short cable into the case so that the stress of connecting/disconnecting or movements of the external cable/connector are not transmitted directly to the PCB.


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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 17:04:48 »
One thing that sucks is that there are no through-hole soldered Micro-USB sockets... They depend only on the soldering and the PCB to hold them. This means that if you wiggle a micro USB connection too much then the copper lines on the PCB will tear off... and the device is f****d.

While Mini-USB sockets do exist in SMT-only variants, the most common variants are through-hole so they do get extra support from the PCB subtrate.
Type C sockets are supposed to be SMT, but with extra support through holes.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 17:28:04 »
One thing that sucks is that there are no through-hole soldered Micro-USB sockets... They depend only on the soldering and the PCB to hold them. This means that if you wiggle a micro USB connection too much then the copper lines on the PCB will tear off... and the device is f****d.

While Mini-USB sockets do exist in SMT-only variants, the most common variants are through-hole so they do get extra support from the PCB subtrate.
Type C sockets are supposed to be SMT, but with extra support through holes.

Actually, most smd mount sockets will have at least 2, if not 4, non-electrically needed metal pads and feet that are soldered for stress/strain relief as shown in the following picture -




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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 21:10:58 »
the sockets actually tend to break internally. micro usb is so small that the contact fingers of the female end just don't have the longevity that the larger connector standards do. honestly, if you're not space constrained (and keyboards are NOT space constrained for the most part :\) then the standard USB A socket is just the best choice bar none.

the existence of mini and micro USB 2.0 jacks is entirely due to device makers wanting increasingly thinner profiles, and not for any reason that one might consider to be mechanically sound. the mini USB 3 jack helps quite a bit by making the connector significantly wider and giving it a reinforcing pinch seam, but the connectors and cables are more expensive, and the connector takes up about 3x as much board space.

which bring us to micro lightningbolt. it's actually quite a nice mechanical design. the male end doesn't rely on any outer chassis; it's just a two sided conductor carrier. the female end can then exert a much larger amount of pressure with longer, mechanically stronger mating fingers. the connectors are going to be SMT, frankly, as we're getting closer and closer to just using flexible circuit substrates, and those won't offer enough structural integrity to be worth thru-holing. so, the best thing you can do is provide as much give _within_ the female jack as possible. this minimizes the pressure that the jack exerts against the circuit substrate, which is the next point of possible failure.

anyway, the bottom line unfortunately is that things are going to get worse on the connector front before they get better. device manufacturers are pushing for really really thin connector standards, basically to the point of absurdity, and the connector manufacturers are just kind of shrugging and doing the best they can within target pricepoint.

i do see a couple of really good trends that will hopefully end this garbage. the first is that short-range 2.4ghz bluetooth transceivers and txrx stacks are getting extremely reliable, and BT 4.0 is finally becoming flexible enough to be useful. once wireless datacom is sufficient, the only wires you need are for power. this suddenly makes the problem much easier. 5vdc @ 500ma is the defacto power supply standard, and this is weeny enough that you could put it on a 4th conductor on a TRRRS headphone jack, or take the existing micro usb standard and make the current tiny complex conductor block a single +v and the entire metal chassis a gnd that is potted down to a huge single ground pad on the substrate.

ps, wireless power would be more realistic and much more fun if it were transferred with tiny centrifuges that spun your device until a small onboard MEMs transducer produced enough electrical charge for the battery. as a plus, you could flash the screen at the spin rate to display pictures of cats. seems like a win win win to me.

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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 11 December 2014, 22:52:03 »
I would have to agree with Mkawa on this one.  It seems to me that the smaller the ports and plugs get, the more dead cables I seem to get.  With micro USB being the biggest culprit.  Is it sits in my house right now I have 2 cables out of 6 in my house that will sit in my phone secure enough to actually charge it.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 07:17:23 »
In my experience, standard A is best with Micro USB second best. Standard A type USB and MiniUSB are quite wobbly compared the more secure connection of a MicroUSB. It's rated to more insert / disconnects than Mini and has a more solid tactile feedback when inserting and removing (the two little catches pop into grooves to hold it in place do a better job than the single tab thingy of Mini). These are some of the reasons Nokia switched to Micro very fast while Sony and others were still using Mini, not because of thinness, but rather longevity and durability.

So, if you will insert / remove the plug a lot and don't mind some instability, standard A is best (like the CMStorm XT). If you want something a little more solidly connected that doesn't have much play between the cable and device, MicroUSB is the one to pick. Mini is really a compromise and simply the worst of the bunch.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 07:30:12 »
the sockets actually tend to break internally. micro usb is so small that the contact fingers of the female end just don't have the longevity that the larger connector standards do. honestly, if you're not space constrained (and keyboards are NOT space constrained for the most part :\) then the standard USB A socket is just the best choice bar none.

the existence of mini and micro USB 2.0 jacks is entirely due to device makers wanting increasingly thinner profiles, and not for any reason that one might consider to be mechanically sound. the mini USB 3 jack helps quite a bit by making the connector significantly wider and giving it a reinforcing pinch seam, but the connectors and cables are more expensive, and the connector takes up about 3x as much board space.

which bring us to micro lightningbolt. it's actually quite a nice mechanical design. the male end doesn't rely on any outer chassis; it's just a two sided conductor carrier. the female end can then exert a much larger amount of pressure with longer, mechanically stronger mating fingers. the connectors are going to be SMT, frankly, as we're getting closer and closer to just using flexible circuit substrates, and those won't offer enough structural integrity to be worth thru-holing. so, the best thing you can do is provide as much give _within_ the female jack as possible. this minimizes the pressure that the jack exerts against the circuit substrate, which is the next point of possible failure.

anyway, the bottom line unfortunately is that things are going to get worse on the connector front before they get better. device manufacturers are pushing for really really thin connector standards, basically to the point of absurdity, and the connector manufacturers are just kind of shrugging and doing the best they can within target pricepoint.

i do see a couple of really good trends that will hopefully end this garbage. the first is that short-range 2.4ghz bluetooth transceivers and txrx stacks are getting extremely reliable, and BT 4.0 is finally becoming flexible enough to be useful. once wireless datacom is sufficient, the only wires you need are for power. this suddenly makes the problem much easier. 5vdc @ 500ma is the defacto power supply standard, and this is weeny enough that you could put it on a 4th conductor on a TRRRS headphone jack, or take the existing micro usb standard and make the current tiny complex conductor block a single +v and the entire metal chassis a gnd that is potted down to a huge single ground pad on the substrate.

ps, wireless power would be more realistic and much more fun if it were transferred with tiny centrifuges that spun your device until a small onboard MEMs transducer produced enough electrical charge for the battery. as a plus, you could flash the screen at the spin rate to display pictures of cats. seems like a win win win to me.

Thank you very much for this nice and detailed explanation of current alternatives on serial bus connectors.

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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 07:34:40 »

the sockets actually tend to break internally.

micro usb is so small that the contact fingers of the female end just don't have the longevity that the larger connector standards do.

the standard USB A socket is just the best choice bar none.

the existence of mini and micro USB 2.0 jacks is entirely due to device makers wanting increasingly thinner profiles, and not for any reason that one might consider to be mechanically sound.


I love this thread but it is deeply disheartening to me. The deprecation of mini-USB had slipped by me altogether.

I have always hated detachable connections and believe that strong cables with effective strain relief is the best way to go.

Connections are the Achilles heel of so many electronic devices - my teenage kids cannot be bothered to be protective of their power cords and sockets, and most failures are due to the internal sockets breaking off from careless handling. And with phones costing hundreds of dollars, that is a major problem!

Old-school USB-B will usually just pull out before anything gets hurt, and that is the 2nd best scenario.

I hate Apple and consider them to be a truly "evil" company, but they have a product that I consider one of the most elegant, beautiful, and ingenious devices marketed in recent years - the magnetic power cable connection for the MacBook. Every time I see that, all I can think is "why aren't they all done that way?"
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 07:41:24 »
i like micro not easily separated :D
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 07:56:18 »
Do the exact opposite of whatever tp4 tells you and you should be golden  :thumb:

Seriously though, I got a detachable cable with mini-usb connectors made by Pexon for my Phantom and it has been plugged and unplugged an ungodly amount and still works just fine. One of the bigger reasons I went with mini instead of micro is because I think mini is a little easier, visually, to orient and connect. I know it doesnt apply in your situation since you'll be using a Filco, but for me I like the fact that both the sections of cable I got could be plugged into the Teensy since they are both mini.

Regarding the 5k vs 10k argument, that is in the context of a connector soldered to a PCB, right? Since this is going to be a connector at the end of a cable I wonder if those numbers would look any different. Probably worse for both connectors I would think.

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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 10:59:31 »
The first 2 devices I bought that had a Micro-USB connector had connection problems within a few months. One was a 500gb WD MyPassport dive, which started getting loose and disconnecting, and the other was a Motorola RAZR2 phone, and the connection actually broke off inside the phone.

Now that was 6 or 7 years ago, but still it has put me off Micro USB ever since.
I much prefer Mini USB, I have not had a problem with one of those yet.



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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 11:30:13 »
the sockets actually tend to break internally. micro usb is so small that the contact fingers of the female end just don't have the longevity that the larger connector standards do. honestly, if you're not space constrained (and keyboards are NOT space constrained for the most part :\) then the standard USB A socket is just the best choice bar none.

the existence of mini and micro USB 2.0 jacks is entirely due to device makers wanting increasingly thinner profiles, and not for any reason that one might consider to be mechanically sound. the mini USB 3 jack helps quite a bit by making the connector significantly wider and giving it a reinforcing pinch seam, but the connectors and cables are more expensive, and the connector takes up about 3x as much board space.

which bring us to micro lightningbolt. it's actually quite a nice mechanical design. the male end doesn't rely on any outer chassis; it's just a two sided conductor carrier. the female end can then exert a much larger amount of pressure with longer, mechanically stronger mating fingers. the connectors are going to be SMT, frankly, as we're getting closer and closer to just using flexible circuit substrates, and those won't offer enough structural integrity to be worth thru-holing. so, the best thing you can do is provide as much give _within_ the female jack as possible. this minimizes the pressure that the jack exerts against the circuit substrate, which is the next point of possible failure.

anyway, the bottom line unfortunately is that things are going to get worse on the connector front before they get better. device manufacturers are pushing for really really thin connector standards, basically to the point of absurdity, and the connector manufacturers are just kind of shrugging and doing the best they can within target pricepoint.

i do see a couple of really good trends that will hopefully end this garbage. the first is that short-range 2.4ghz bluetooth transceivers and txrx stacks are getting extremely reliable, and BT 4.0 is finally becoming flexible enough to be useful. once wireless datacom is sufficient, the only wires you need are for power. this suddenly makes the problem much easier. 5vdc @ 500ma is the defacto power supply standard, and this is weeny enough that you could put it on a 4th conductor on a TRRRS headphone jack, or take the existing micro usb standard and make the current tiny complex conductor block a single +v and the entire metal chassis a gnd that is potted down to a huge single ground pad on the substrate.

ps, wireless power would be more realistic and much more fun if it were transferred with tiny centrifuges that spun your device until a small onboard MEMs transducer produced enough electrical charge for the battery. as a plus, you could flash the screen at the spin rate to display pictures of cats. seems like a win win win to me.

I would love to go standard A but the problem is the rarity of the cables. A to A cables aren't exactly common, and when you can actually find one, they don't come out to be very cheap. Thank you for the tidbit of information though, that was a good read.

Do the exact opposite of whatever tp4 tells you and you should be golden  :thumb:

Seriously though, I got a detachable cable with mini-usb connectors made by Pexon for my Phantom and it has been plugged and unplugged an ungodly amount and still works just fine. One of the bigger reasons I went with mini instead of micro is because I think mini is a little easier, visually, to orient and connect. I know it doesnt apply in your situation since you'll be using a Filco, but for me I like the fact that both the sections of cable I got could be plugged into the Teensy since they are both mini.

Regarding the 5k vs 10k argument, that is in the context of a connector soldered to a PCB, right? Since this is going to be a connector at the end of a cable I wonder if those numbers would look any different. Probably worse for both connectors I would think.

I dunno, I imagine since the connectors are molded into place, they would possibly be more reliable since they wouldn't be able to get damaged as easily? That's what it looks like to me.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 13:16:48 »
I would love to go standard A but the problem is the rarity of the cables. A to A cables aren't exactly common, and when you can actually find one, they don't come out to be very cheap.

Yea, I would advise against using an A connector on a device -- they are specified for the host side only, the std connector for devices is B. AA cables are explicitly prohibited by the USB spec (chap. 6.4.4) and thus very hard to find (curse CM for using an A connector on the QFXT ;) ) If you want big connectors and have the space, use a standard B connector on the device.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 13:29:46 »


I would love to go standard A but the problem is the rarity of the cables. A to A cables aren't exactly common, and when you can actually find one, they don't come out to be very cheap.

Yea, I would advise against using an A connector on a device -- they are specified for the host side only, the std connector for devices is B. AA cables are explicitly prohibited by the USB spec (chap. 6.4.4) and thus very hard to find (curse CM for using an A connector on the QFXT ;) ) If you want big connectors and have the space, use a standard B connector on the device.

Wow that's something I haven't heard before, putting a standard B connector on a keyboard, lol. The A connector on the XT kinda annoyed me too, since my cable was somewhat derpy.

Hmm...What to do.. to go standard or mini B, I might just end up going with mini B, since their supposed reliability don't seem like that much of a problem and I'd be able to use mini B cables on other keyboards I have like my QFR and my Poker II to be.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 15 December 2014, 13:37:56 »
the sockets actually tend to break internally. micro usb is so small that the contact fingers of the female end just don't have the longevity that the larger connector standards do. honestly, if you're not space constrained (and keyboards are NOT space constrained for the most part :\) then the standard USB A socket is just the best choice bar none.



 5vdc @ 500ma is the defacto power supply standard, and this is weeny enough that you could put it on a 4th conductor on a TRRRS headphone jack

USB B is much better than USB A for a device. It's sturdy, common, cheap, etc. I want to see more keyboards use it.

Also, I have my doubts with putting power on a TRS or TRRS connector. There are plenty of other connectors that don't require you to drag power or ground across all the other contacts while you're plugging it in.

If you put GND on the sleeve connector, you drag power past the other connectors every time you plug it in or unplug it. This is bad. I have known some TRRS jacks that don't disconnect evenly where this could be an issue. If you put power on the sleeve you have issues with having a live metal shell you're touching to plug it in (as well as lose all your shielding from no longer having a grounded metal cable sheath).

Not to mention that TRS and TRRS jacks and cables have serious reliability issues. My favorite mode of failure is when the plug gets broken off in the jack and you're completely screwed.

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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 15 December 2014, 15:20:36 »
@dorkvader, I concur with your comment about USB-B connectors on keyboards, as long as space allows. I installed a panel-mount USB-B connector in my IBM XT keyboard. The scale of the USB-B agrees with the scale of the IBM XT keyboard.

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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 15 December 2014, 18:25:55 »
@dorkvader, I concur with your comment about USB-B connectors on keyboards, as long as space allows. I installed a panel-mount USB-B connector in my IBM XT keyboard. The scale of the USB-B agrees with the scale of the IBM XT keyboard.

I double concur.
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 15 December 2014, 18:38:47 »
I have unplugged and replugged the Micro USB port on my WASD about 150 times over the last year as I use it for work and take it home every day.

It's been OK so far, but I really don't want it o break :(
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Re: Mini USB Port vs Micro USB Port Reliability?
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 04:16:15 »
USB B like in printer its better than mini b
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