Manual film cameras are the way to go for paranormal/alien-related footage.

[Olumin]

Just watched a video related to that and read a few comments that reminded me: USE *MANUAL FILM CAMERAS (with a wide-aperture lens) FOR PARANORMAL/UFO RELATED SITUATIONS.


B&W film for low light conditions or if you want to archive higher contrast (for example a grey/silver UFO against the light-Blue or grey sky).

Colour negative for good light conditions and when capturing the colours is important.

I recommend B&W for 80% of the time, there are not many situations where colour is important, its more distracting then anything else, and doesn't matter when the UFO is grey or silver anyway.
Black and white is also usually cheaper then Colour negative.

I recommend ISO 400 for a universal film (60% of the time), go higher when you know it will be dark, and lower when taking pictures in good light conditions (ISO 200). That one is just common sense.

35mm range or viewfinder cameras (with good lens about equivalent to 20 to 30 MP) are compact, light and more convenient/quicker to use, however medium format will give you higher resolution (about 80 to 100 MP).

With medium format I only recommend Black and white. I don't recommend medium format for this type of photography, its big, heavy and slow compared to 35mm.

Most compact 35mm film cameras will have a fixed lens with usally about 40 to 50mm focal length, that is more then sufficing for most situations, however take into consideration that with most manual, compact film cameras there is no zoom. For a zoom-lens go for a manual SLR setup, but this is more heavy and significantly less convenient and fast then a compact range finder with fixed lens, and since taking that picture fast is what it comes down to, I don't recommend this. When choosing a cameras look for one with aperture less then f2.6. About 1.4 to 1.8 is ideal.

*With manual I mean either fully-mechanical cameras (cameras that work without a battery), or cameras with manual override. 


Now to make that clear (since I don't want to read comments like "UFO's don't exist lol!1"), if you believe in these kinds of things is irrelevant, I am only giving you my opinion on how they would be captured best. Perhaps that is interesting to read for a couple of you.


Thanks for taking approximately 2 minutes of your life.
And don't forget, you heard it here first guyz.

[demik]

we already have one tp.

and mini tp (trenza)

we dont need another.

[Olumin]

we already one tp.

and mini tp (trenza)

we dont need another.

*whispers; its too late now.
 

[tp4tissue]

we already one tp.

and mini tp (trenza)

we dont need another.

*whispers; its too late now.
 

Look to your left, look to your right, both of them haz been infected by Tp4..

[xtrafrood]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

 

[Olumin]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

An expensive DSLR with a variety of lenses is nice and good, but its useless when its laying somewhere in the trunk of your car and you need to take that picture quickly, a compact range finder is much more convenient and quicker.

Don't worry about my budget, I am collecting manual typewriters and calculators since about 3 to 4 years, manual camera gear is basically only a expansion of that hobby, I think I'll be fine. So far I am loving it.

[xtrafrood]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

[Olumin]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

[xtrafrood]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

[Olumin]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

It wouldn't be the men in black if he didn't.

[xtrafrood]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

It wouldn't be the men in black if he didn't.

[Olumin]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

It wouldn't be the men in black if he didn't.

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A bit out of context, but you said in the beginning: "I don't believe in this stuff ", and I think at this point in time, where we have nearly immediate access to all this information, especially related to UFO's, aliens and conspiracy's connected to that, its more about simply what you know or want to know, rather then what you believe in. Just wanted to put this out there, I don't want to start a discussion, since in the end, its still up to the individual to decide what is true or not for him or her, in that regard, truth is very much subjective, or should I say relative.

[xtrafrood]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

It wouldn't be the men in black if he didn't.

Show Image

A bit out of context, but you said in the beginning: "I don't believe in this stuff ", and I think at this point in time, where we have nearly immediate access to all this information, especially related to UFO's, aliens and conspiracy's connected to that, its more about simply what you know or want to know, rather then what you believe in. Just wanted to put this out there, I don't want to start a discussion, since in the end, its still up to the individual to decide what is true or not for him or her, in that regard, truth is very much subjective, or should I say relative.

I'll listen to people that want to tell me of the many races of aliens that they believe exist. Mostly out of pure morbid curiosity. I'm not the kind of guy to say this stuff doesn't exist. I won't say that you'll waste both your time, and money as you stare up at the sky. There are just a few details missing from all the stories and hearsay. Like, if we had a UFO there would have been great technological gains during a short period of time. It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic, so I seriously doubt any of it is real especially when I consider that the 'Roswell UFO' rumor was the first of many stories. Sure, sure, they moved it to Hangar 18 right? I think that was the rumor anyway, it's been so long since I read up on all of this.

[Olumin]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

It wouldn't be the men in black if he didn't.

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A bit out of context, but you said in the beginning: "I don't believe in this stuff ", and I think at this point in time, where we have nearly immediate access to all this information, especially related to UFO's, aliens and conspiracy's connected to that, its more about simply what you know or want to know, rather then what you believe in. Just wanted to put this out there, I don't want to start a discussion, since in the end, its still up to the individual to decide what is true or not for him or her, in that regard, truth is very much subjective, or should I say relative.

I'll listen to people that want to tell me of the many races of aliens that they believe exist. Mostly out of pure morbid curiosity. I'm not the kind of guy to say this stuff doesn't exist. I won't say that you'll waste both your time, and money as you stare up at the sky. There are just a few details missing from all the stories and hearsay. Like, if we had a UFO there would have been great technological gains during a short period of time. It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic, so I seriously doubt any of it is real especially when I consider that the 'Roswell UFO' rumor was the first of many stories. Sure, sure, they moved it to Hangar 18 right? I think that was the rumor anyway, it's been so long since I read up on all of this.

OH, I think you got the wrong idea, this stuff is not actually my "hobby", its just something I'm interested in, I am not actually spending money and time on this. I'm not doing professional research or anything, Its just something I brought up.

Besides that, there where and still are HUGE "great technological gains during a short period of time"! First of all, not every reverse engineered technology and not all the information is made public, that's for sure, but even considering that, the late 19th century and throughout the entire 20th century we made technological process that under "normal" conditions would have took thousands, or at least hundreds of years. That's not how a society or evolution normally behaves, we had "help". That's is the reason why we have this mess with all the different generations and all this cluster-**** in society and the world in general at the moment, just look at all the events and wars that where happening during that time frame, and compare that to the rest of our history. Its not natural, its all happing too fast for society to catch up. If it would be natural we wouldn't have these problems, it would be much more "smooth". Also, of cause not every field of technology is affected by that, because you mentioned "It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic", whish I know was just a ironic statement. It took us ONLY 100 years to get from a typewriter to a I phone with multi 3D touch screen and wireless data transfer, giving us the opportunity to talk with everybody on earth in a second or have immediate access to all the information in the world, and all that at the palm of our hands. Just think about that for a moment.

It is not the first time we came that far, there where many of these points in human history, times where we were even further ahead than at the moment, Atlantis in only the most popular example. Atlantis was not a temple-City, it was a technologically as well as socially highly evolved global civilization, very much comparable to our own at the moment. Atlantis didn't last, we destroyed our self. At the moment we are, once again at a point where we are very close to Atlantis, we once again are given the opportunity to rise, and not fall again. We are very much at a point to go to the next level of society, and life in general, a step we could not make all those times before. All of these self-destruct scenarios are caused by inner imbalance, in the case of Atlantis it was imbalance between sociality and technology, very much like we have at the moment.

[xtrafrood]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

It wouldn't be the men in black if he didn't.

Show Image

A bit out of context, but you said in the beginning: "I don't believe in this stuff ", and I think at this point in time, where we have nearly immediate access to all this information, especially related to UFO's, aliens and conspiracy's connected to that, its more about simply what you know or want to know, rather then what you believe in. Just wanted to put this out there, I don't want to start a discussion, since in the end, its still up to the individual to decide what is true or not for him or her, in that regard, truth is very much subjective, or should I say relative.

I'll listen to people that want to tell me of the many races of aliens that they believe exist. Mostly out of pure morbid curiosity. I'm not the kind of guy to say this stuff doesn't exist. I won't say that you'll waste both your time, and money as you stare up at the sky. There are just a few details missing from all the stories and hearsay. Like, if we had a UFO there would have been great technological gains during a short period of time. It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic, so I seriously doubt any of it is real especially when I consider that the 'Roswell UFO' rumor was the first of many stories. Sure, sure, they moved it to Hangar 18 right? I think that was the rumor anyway, it's been so long since I read up on all of this.

OH, I think you got the wrong idea, this stuff is not actually my "hobby", its just something I'm interested in, I am not actually spending money and time on this. I'm not doing professional research or anything, Its just something I brought up.

Besides that, there where and still are HUGE "great technological gains during a short period of time"! First of all, not every reverse engineered technology and not all the information is made public, that's for sure, but even considering that, the late 19th century and throughout the entire 20th century we made technological process that under "normal" conditions would take thousands, or at least hundreds of years. That's not how a society or evolution normally behaves, we had "help". That's is the reason why we have this mess with all the different generations and all this cluster-**** in society and the world in general at the moment, just look at all the events and wars that where happening during that time frame, and compare that to the rest of our history. Its not natural, its all happing too fast for society to catch up. If it would be natural we wouldn't have these problems, it would be much more "smooth". Also, of cause not every field of technology is affected by that, because you mentioned "It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic", whish I know was just a ironic statement.

Nope, I didn't mean for that sentence to sound ironic. Just meant for that sentence to sound silly. All the technological leaps and bounds were thanks to modern communications and transporation. It's just that simple.

[Olumin]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

It wouldn't be the men in black if he didn't.

Show Image

A bit out of context, but you said in the beginning: "I don't believe in this stuff ", and I think at this point in time, where we have nearly immediate access to all this information, especially related to UFO's, aliens and conspiracy's connected to that, its more about simply what you know or want to know, rather then what you believe in. Just wanted to put this out there, I don't want to start a discussion, since in the end, its still up to the individual to decide what is true or not for him or her, in that regard, truth is very much subjective, or should I say relative.

I'll listen to people that want to tell me of the many races of aliens that they believe exist. Mostly out of pure morbid curiosity. I'm not the kind of guy to say this stuff doesn't exist. I won't say that you'll waste both your time, and money as you stare up at the sky. There are just a few details missing from all the stories and hearsay. Like, if we had a UFO there would have been great technological gains during a short period of time. It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic, so I seriously doubt any of it is real especially when I consider that the 'Roswell UFO' rumor was the first of many stories. Sure, sure, they moved it to Hangar 18 right? I think that was the rumor anyway, it's been so long since I read up on all of this.

OH, I think you got the wrong idea, this stuff is not actually my "hobby", its just something I'm interested in, I am not actually spending money and time on this. I'm not doing professional research or anything, Its just something I brought up.

Besides that, there where and still are HUGE "great technological gains during a short period of time"! First of all, not every reverse engineered technology and not all the information is made public, that's for sure, but even considering that, the late 19th century and throughout the entire 20th century we made technological process that under "normal" conditions would take thousands, or at least hundreds of years. That's not how a society or evolution normally behaves, we had "help". That's is the reason why we have this mess with all the different generations and all this cluster-**** in society and the world in general at the moment, just look at all the events and wars that where happening during that time frame, and compare that to the rest of our history. Its not natural, its all happing too fast for society to catch up. If it would be natural we wouldn't have these problems, it would be much more "smooth". Also, of cause not every field of technology is affected by that, because you mentioned "It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic", whish I know was just a ironic statement.

Nope, I didn't mean for that sentence to sound ironic. Just meant for that sentence to sound silly. All the technological leaps and bounds were thanks to modern communications and transporation. It's just that simple.

I have edited a lot in my post. It would be great if "It's just that simple.", but sadly, once you start to get a deeper understanding of the bigger picture, its a bit more complex then that.

[xtrafrood]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

It wouldn't be the men in black if he didn't.

Show Image

A bit out of context, but you said in the beginning: "I don't believe in this stuff ", and I think at this point in time, where we have nearly immediate access to all this information, especially related to UFO's, aliens and conspiracy's connected to that, its more about simply what you know or want to know, rather then what you believe in. Just wanted to put this out there, I don't want to start a discussion, since in the end, its still up to the individual to decide what is true or not for him or her, in that regard, truth is very much subjective, or should I say relative.

I'll listen to people that want to tell me of the many races of aliens that they believe exist. Mostly out of pure morbid curiosity. I'm not the kind of guy to say this stuff doesn't exist. I won't say that you'll waste both your time, and money as you stare up at the sky. There are just a few details missing from all the stories and hearsay. Like, if we had a UFO there would have been great technological gains during a short period of time. It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic, so I seriously doubt any of it is real especially when I consider that the 'Roswell UFO' rumor was the first of many stories. Sure, sure, they moved it to Hangar 18 right? I think that was the rumor anyway, it's been so long since I read up on all of this.

OH, I think you got the wrong idea, this stuff is not actually my "hobby", its just something I'm interested in, I am not actually spending money and time on this. I'm not doing professional research or anything, Its just something I brought up.

Besides that, there where and still are HUGE "great technological gains during a short period of time"! First of all, not every reverse engineered technology and not all the information is made public, that's for sure, but even considering that, the late 19th century and throughout the entire 20th century we made technological process that under "normal" conditions would take thousands, or at least hundreds of years. That's not how a society or evolution normally behaves, we had "help". That's is the reason why we have this mess with all the different generations and all this cluster-**** in society and the world in general at the moment, just look at all the events and wars that where happening during that time frame, and compare that to the rest of our history. Its not natural, its all happing too fast for society to catch up. If it would be natural we wouldn't have these problems, it would be much more "smooth". Also, of cause not every field of technology is affected by that, because you mentioned "It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic", whish I know was just a ironic statement.

Nope, I didn't mean for that sentence to sound ironic. Just meant for that sentence to sound silly. All the technological leaps and bounds were thanks to modern communications and transporation. It's just that simple.

I have edited a lot in my post. It would be great if "It's just that simple.", but sadly, once you start to get a deeper understanding of the bigger picture, its a bit more complex then that.

Seriously? Is this that hard to understand? You keep quoting me, what is that about?

[Olumin]

I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

It wouldn't be the men in black if he didn't.

Show Image

A bit out of context, but you said in the beginning: "I don't believe in this stuff ", and I think at this point in time, where we have nearly immediate access to all this information, especially related to UFO's, aliens and conspiracy's connected to that, its more about simply what you know or want to know, rather then what you believe in. Just wanted to put this out there, I don't want to start a discussion, since in the end, its still up to the individual to decide what is true or not for him or her, in that regard, truth is very much subjective, or should I say relative.

I'll listen to people that want to tell me of the many races of aliens that they believe exist. Mostly out of pure morbid curiosity. I'm not the kind of guy to say this stuff doesn't exist. I won't say that you'll waste both your time, and money as you stare up at the sky. There are just a few details missing from all the stories and hearsay. Like, if we had a UFO there would have been great technological gains during a short period of time. It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic, so I seriously doubt any of it is real especially when I consider that the 'Roswell UFO' rumor was the first of many stories. Sure, sure, they moved it to Hangar 18 right? I think that was the rumor anyway, it's been so long since I read up on all of this.

OH, I think you got the wrong idea, this stuff is not actually my "hobby", its just something I'm interested in, I am not actually spending money and time on this. I'm not doing professional research or anything, Its just something I brought up.

Besides that, there where and still are HUGE "great technological gains during a short period of time"! First of all, not every reverse engineered technology and not all the information is made public, that's for sure, but even considering that, the late 19th century and throughout the entire 20th century we made technological process that under "normal" conditions would take thousands, or at least hundreds of years. That's not how a society or evolution normally behaves, we had "help". That's is the reason why we have this mess with all the different generations and all this cluster-**** in society and the world in general at the moment, just look at all the events and wars that where happening during that time frame, and compare that to the rest of our history. Its not natural, its all happing too fast for society to catch up. If it would be natural we wouldn't have these problems, it would be much more "smooth". Also, of cause not every field of technology is affected by that, because you mentioned "It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic", whish I know was just a ironic statement.

Nope, I didn't mean for that sentence to sound ironic. Just meant for that sentence to sound silly. All the technological leaps and bounds were thanks to modern communications and transporation. It's just that simple.

I have edited a lot in my post. It would be great if "It's just that simple.", but sadly, once you start to get a deeper understanding of the bigger picture, its a bit more complex then that.

Seriously? Is this that hard to understand? You keep quoting me, what is that about?

Because I'm lazy and copy and pasting is quicker and required less work then writing is myself. I also don't see how this is related to anything we've talked about."Seriously? Is this that hard to understand?" All I'm going to say to that is that the deeper you'r understanding of something is, the more questions will open up. Just like the quote goes, "the more you find out, the less you will know". Besides that what you said there doesn't even make any sense, since this already explained itself in the last sentence I've written in the previous comment. "Seriously? Is this that hard to understand?"

[xtrafrood]

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I don't believe in this stuff but in theory, your best chance of 'ghost hunting' is with a thermal imaging camera. I'm just going off lore, since nothing has been proven by science, who can really say that temperature is a deciding factor? Digital is fine, it was only a problem when the resolution caused constant artifacts. Years ago I was interested and liked to debunk pictures I found on the internet. Read your camera manual, clean your lens or send it in for maintenance, and you're golden. I've read that infrared film works really well. That stuff is a beast to load and have developed though.

For UFOs Maybe a digital telescope that can take a memory card of some kind? Or how about A 360° camera system with telephoto lenses and high aperture settings?

Alternatively, might I suggest you invest as little money as possible into this new hobby you may or may not be interested in? I've wasted a few rolls of film when I tried to see what the fuss was about. That was too much money imho

Well, I was mainly referring to phenomenons visible to the human eye (like a UFO), but you are probably right about the infrared-ghost thing, but that's not the kind of thing I was thinking about. The reason I think film is better then a digital camera is because electronics are very sensitive and can very easily be manipulated and distorted, that cannot happen with a fully mechanical camera. Also, Film is (pretty much) fake proof. I have often heard story's of Phones being deactivated or digital files being deleted from the phone, or being heavily distorted and unusable. When it comes to reliability, a manual film camera will serve you the best, what's captured is captured, its a physical thing, it cannot be simply deleted. There is no alien or UFO that can simply deactivate your manual camera. its also more safe in regard to privacy, a government cannot simply access that picture, since its laying in some drawer in not on your hard drive.

Ohhh, so if the creature could tap into the frequency of your devices you would technically still be able to snap a shot of it with a manual camera. I just finished a film that featured an alien from Venus (totally possible btw). The damn thing could disable mechanical things like firearms. Hopefully, that will never happen because that film was awful.

AFAIK the US loves when people spend money. If you're not breaking the law they don't seem to care. If you're doing awesome things they might offer you a job I've read that Germany is similar in some ways but not so much in other ways. If I was to walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos, the Department Of Defense would probably just say that I'm really good at faking photos, and leave it at that. That would be enough negative exposure to limit the number of professionals who would be willing to authenticate the photos in question.

I think if would "walk into a UFO and take several hundred photos" and made them public, you would have other things to worry about then a cheap comment from the Department Of Defence,  things like... a couple of friendly men in black suits knocking on your door.

For real? Men In Black? Would Will Smith sing Miami during any of this?

It wouldn't be the men in black if he didn't.

Show Image

A bit out of context, but you said in the beginning: "I don't believe in this stuff ", and I think at this point in time, where we have nearly immediate access to all this information, especially related to UFO's, aliens and conspiracy's connected to that, its more about simply what you know or want to know, rather then what you believe in. Just wanted to put this out there, I don't want to start a discussion, since in the end, its still up to the individual to decide what is true or not for him or her, in that regard, truth is very much subjective, or should I say relative.

I'll listen to people that want to tell me of the many races of aliens that they believe exist. Mostly out of pure morbid curiosity. I'm not the kind of guy to say this stuff doesn't exist. I won't say that you'll waste both your time, and money as you stare up at the sky. There are just a few details missing from all the stories and hearsay. Like, if we had a UFO there would have been great technological gains during a short period of time. It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic, so I seriously doubt any of it is real especially when I consider that the 'Roswell UFO' rumor was the first of many stories. Sure, sure, they moved it to Hangar 18 right? I think that was the rumor anyway, it's been so long since I read up on all of this.

OH, I think you got the wrong idea, this stuff is not actually my "hobby", its just something I'm interested in, I am not actually spending money and time on this. I'm not doing professional research or anything, Its just something I brought up.

Besides that, there where and still are HUGE "great technological gains during a short period of time"! First of all, not every reverse engineered technology and not all the information is made public, that's for sure, but even considering that, the late 19th century and throughout the entire 20th century we made technological process that under "normal" conditions would take thousands, or at least hundreds of years. That's not how a society or evolution normally behaves, we had "help". That's is the reason why we have this mess with all the different generations and all this cluster-**** in society and the world in general at the moment, just look at all the events and wars that where happening during that time frame, and compare that to the rest of our history. Its not natural, its all happing too fast for society to catch up. If it would be natural we wouldn't have these problems, it would be much more "smooth". Also, of cause not every field of technology is affected by that, because you mentioned "It took the world nearly a century to perfect the art of plastic", whish I know was just a ironic statement.

Nope, I didn't mean for that sentence to sound ironic. Just meant for that sentence to sound silly. All the technological leaps and bounds were thanks to modern communications and transporation. It's just that simple.

I have edited a lot in my post. It would be great if "It's just that simple.", but sadly, once you start to get a deeper understanding of the bigger picture, its a bit more complex then that.

Seriously? Is this that hard to understand? You keep quoting me, what is that about?

Because I'm lazy and copy and pasting is quicker and required less work then writing is myself. I also don't see how this is related to anything we've talked about."Seriously? Is this that hard to understand?" All I'm going to say to that is that the deeper you'r understanding of something is, the more questions will open up. Just like the quote goes, "the more you find out, the less you will know".

So it goes. You wanted to catfish and I dressed up in a catfish costume to oblige because I'm a sport.

[fohat.digs]

I was going to avoid this wall of text but I guess I was a bit bored and curious this morning.

Personally, I have no doubt that there is intelligent life in the universe besides what is on this planet. In fact, I would find it far harder to believe that it did not exist than that it did. But I am of the "If they really did come here then why are rumors of anal probings in the desert at midnight and huge glyphs carved into the soil back in the Bronze Age all there is to show for it?" school of thought.

Since I am of a relatively primitive mindset, I cannot accept that FTL is possible, and therefore the distances involved in travel are simply prohibitive. And that deal about gigantic "generational" spaceships taking millennia to get to another habitable planet - what happens when you run into a rock the size of a football at 0.98c? Or a grain of sand? There is absolutely no way you could go all that way without hitting something!

The one theoretical piece of it that does intrigue me is the appearance and spike of UFO sightings in the decade after WW2 when the human race started detonating nukes in earnest. If that really was like a beacon (eg Battlestar Galactica) then perhaps it did draw somebody's attention?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lquok4Pdk

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The one theoretical piece of it that does intrigue me is the appearance and spike of UFO sightings in the decade after WW2 when the human race started detonating nukes in earnest. If that really was like a beacon (eg Battlestar Galactica) then perhaps it did draw somebody's attention?

Also the decade where we started to develop high speed aircraft, missiles, rockets, satellites etc. in earnest. Not really a coincidence, methinks.

[Olumin]

I was going to avoid this wall of text but I guess I was a bit bored and curious this morning.

Personally, I have no doubt that there is intelligent life in the universe besides what is on this planet. In fact, I would find it far harder to believe that it did not exist than that it did. But I am of the "If they really did come here then why are rumors of anal probings in the desert at midnight and huge glyphs carved into the soil back in the Bronze Age all there is to show for it?" school of thought.

Since I am of a relatively primitive mindset, I cannot accept that FTL is possible, and therefore the distances involved in travel are simply prohibitive. And that deal about gigantic "generational" spaceships taking millennia to get to another habitable planet - what happens when you run into a rock the size of a football at 0.98c? Or a grain of sand? There is absolutely no way you could go all that way without hitting something!

The one theoretical piece of it that does intrigue me is the appearance and spike of UFO sightings in the decade after WW2 when the human race started detonating nukes in earnest. If that really was like a beacon (eg Battlestar Galactica) then perhaps it did draw somebody's attention?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lquok4Pdk

That's actually a "argument" I never logically understood, how can somebody think that? I mean its the same like people in the middle ages saying: "We cannot go around the world, people would die before they would get there, the risks are too high.", and today that's something totally normal. Of cause it may not be possible or even imaginable with our current very limited technology and understanding of these things, but these civilisations are millions, if not billions of years ahead of us, you don't know to what kind of technology they have access to, you are basically saying that we figured it all out and no other race, regardless of if they are millions of years older then us, can do any better. Just like people believed that building a flying machine is not possible, we today know that it very well is. Saying that FTL is not possible is just as ignorant as saying that we are alone in the entire universe.

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Since I am of a relatively primitive mindset, I cannot accept that FTL is possible, and therefore the distances involved in travel are simply prohibitive.

Saying that FTL is not possible is just as ignorant as saying that we are alone in the entire universe.

Frankly, as an old man, I more and more perceive my physical body as a significant limitation.

From where I sit, I would imagine that evolving out of a physical existence would be easier and more desirable than moving tons of metal through near-unimaginable distances - for what purpose?

[Olumin]

Since I am of a relatively primitive mindset, I cannot accept that FTL is possible, and therefore the distances involved in travel are simply prohibitive.

Saying that FTL is not possible is just as ignorant as saying that we are alone in the entire universe.

Frankly, as an old man, I more and more perceive my physical body as a significant limitation.

From where I sit, I would imagine that evolving out of a physical existence would be easier and more desirable than moving tons of metal through near-unimaginable distances - for what purpose?

I think, once a civilisation gets to the point of its evolution where it gets a very clear and deep understanding of these processes in our universe, its no as hard as you might think, I also think they use portals or wormholes, they do not actually travel these distances. However what I do know, is that most of these races still have physical, biological body's. However they don't get ill and they don't age like we do. Many of them look very similar to to us, I don't think there is much biological difference (wish is because our DNA actually consists of many of these races). We just haven't figured our yet what our physical body is capable of.