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Offline HotRoderX

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should group buys be more limited?
« on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 13:16:05 »
A post on Reddit has/had me thinking. Perhaps group buy runners need to be held more accountable. Also perhaps group buys need to become more limited. I am not saying limited in the since of the number of people but people who run them.

I have noticed a disturbing trend over the past year/year in a half in the community, that trend is that group buy runners typically have something or everything go wrong. I won't name names or anything like that. I am sure we can all think up a few group buys that went south or didn't meet expectations. Which is to be expected but at the same time is it ok?

Then the other day on Reddit someone was talking about wanting to run a group buy. Sadly it was overly obvious this person had no clue what there doing. They contacted Ducky not duck but Ducky to see about having a limited number of board's manufactured. They then went on to ask if we knew any place etc etc. I wonder if the vast majority of group buy runners really understand the full scope of what there doing.

The same can be said for the consumer, do we understand what we are getting into. How many people really understand there is a chance that things can go south and we will be with out a product or a unusable product. When it boils down to it we have no protection outside of paypals buyer protection if we are lucky.

I wonder how many times "sick" excuses is used for not delivery a product and in reality. The sickness is just simply stress overwhelming the person. I would assume that managing 10's of thousands of dollars, manufacturing, plus quality control. Could make a lot of people feel stressed.

That's my question should group buy's become more limited and should there be a standard in the community? Perhaps there needs to be a crack down by buyers. I mean not trying to stifle creativity. I just think if someone is serious and they really feel there buy is worth it. They should put the extra effort in to learn the system and if needed get some backers. I am sure there are tons of people that think they can design a GMK keyset but how many make it past the render stage.

There are a few people in the community that have had buys go south that have really stepped up to the plate. They done everything with in reason to make things right. There the type of people I want to see running a group buy. I wonder if they were prepared for what they ended up having to do.

Offline ddot

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Re: should group buys be more limited?
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 13:29:54 »
Similar to what was being discussed a couple years ago

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80867

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Re: should group buys be more limited?
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 13:48:58 »
Group buy runner should be interviewed and screened for some basic qualifications..



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Re: should group buys be more limited?
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 14:31:09 »
So this is massdrops long game with buying the forum, nix community buys, no more competition, interesting.

How much did they pay you to post this OP??

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P.S. I can't even remember the last group buy I was in, I gave them up long ago.

P.S.S. I don't buy from massdrop either.

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Re: should group buys be more limited?
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 14:56:29 »
So this is massdrops long game with buying the forum, nix community buys, no more competition, interesting.

How much did they pay you to post this OP??

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P.S. I can't even remember the last group buy I was in, I gave them up long ago.

P.S.S. I don't buy from massdrop either.

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Offline derznation

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Re: should group buys be more limited?
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 15:32:33 »
What's the solution for new people who want to enter the GB scene but don't have history? A few interview style questions about their dedication probably won't convince a lot of people.

Maybe some of the more experienced and trusted GB runners would feel comfortable taking people under their wing and showing them all the dirty, unspoken things that go into a GB in a more controlled environment? 

Offline HotRoderX

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Re: should group buys be more limited?
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 16:15:33 »
Yea, like the idea of questions or perhaps just showing they have financial means to back things up. Maybe show they have insurance if that is even possible. I see so many group buys run by people with no clue of what could happen. Just a basic knowledge of manufacturing and production should be required. Perhaps have some of the bigger runners form a company? That can then take in others idea's check them for visibility and have them produced? Kinda a massdrop with out the massdrop. That way they limit buyers risk while also offering people the creative outlet they desire.

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Re: should group buys be more limited?
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 16:39:51 »
I understand why you would think something should be done to prevent issues and to make GBs safer to join(in terms of a guarantee you will get the product), but you run into issues with gatekeeping people who have great ideas, and the ability to run them because of a questionnaire or the like, not being "up to snuff" for those who see it. Also the issue of forcing lesser known people to run through the more known runners doesn't guarantee any higher chance of success(look at the alps switch GB ran by novelkeys that failed because the guy never even bought the boards to get the switches). Then you run into the issue that not everyone who is well known can be trusted 100%(Ivan anyone?), and that can destroy a buy that would have been successful had the new runner not been forced to work through a previously considered trustworthy person.

Only thing that will come from limiting is a downturn in the market for customs and keyboard products made by forum members, it will only shift to established, well known stores and that isn't how a niche, hobbyist community should be. Maybe having a set of known GB runners be interviewed by the mods/admins and being put into a group that can support and help newer runners to mitigate the risks? They would have some type on badge on the site and have to do the work either for free or a very, very small fee to prevent greed or a pay-to-play atmosphere to selling a product you came up with. But even then it may still fail, but that is the risk of selling/buying via a forum and there is no such thing as a guarantee when joining a GB, as **** can happen that was out of the control of the GB runner or even the "team" of "pros".

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Re: should group buys be more limited?
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 16:49:56 »
At the end of the day if a GB isnt being run through a company such as massdrop there is always going to be risk that you wont get your stuff or it wont be the quality you had hoped. There is really nothing that can be done about that. Ivan was very much a trustworthy person for quite some time until he ran off. Imsto was as well, whether you want to blame Ivan for causing Imsto to be unable to fulfill his GB is up to you.

The thing that bothers me is when people complain about things like a "massdrop tax" on items. All it takes is a single GB to go south and no amount of savings you have had from past GB's being P2P will offset that.