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[IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
« on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:08:43 »
Introducing the Cajal.  [kaˈhal]

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The Cajal is a 45% hotswap keyboard with a detached arrow cluster, a prominent volume knob, and an RGB underglow ring. It also weighs in at around 2 kg, making it one of the heaviest boards for its size. This keyboard is a culmination of all the features that were requested from the Neuron GB, along with some new design features that haven't yet been implemented in this layout. I have added indicator lights and a new (to my knowledge) gasket mount using stoppers to adjust the compression on nitrile tabs attached to the plate. PVD-coated brass and sandblasted polycarbonate plates will be available, as will hard and soft durometers of gasket material. With only four plate attachment points, the Cajal was designed to flex and give a cushioned bottom out. By changing plate material, gasket hardness, and gasket compression tightness, users will be able to tailor their experience to their preferences. Thank you for reading, and please let me know what features you would like to see in the final release when the Group-Buy comes. Nothing will start before the Neuron GB ships in early 2020, so prepare your wallets for a Spring 2020 release.



About the Name
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The Cajal is named after Santiago Ramón y Cajal (1852-1934), the father of modern neuroscience. His studies of the brain were crucial to the discovery that the nervous system consists mainly of individual cells, a theory called neuron doctrine. For this discovery, he was honored with the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1906. His contributions to neuroanatomy and detailed drawings of neural structures are still relevant to our understanding of the nervous system more than a hundred years later. In addition to his scientific discoveries, Cajal was a writer of science fiction short stories under the name “Dr. Bacteria”, a bodybuilder in his younger years, a talented painter and artist, a doctor in the Spanish Army, and as a child, was briefly imprisoned in a local church for blowing a hole in his neighbor’s front door with a homemade cannon. This keyboard is a minor tribute to his brilliance.


Features:
  • 4.4lb (2kg) case with a 5 degree typing angle.
  • QMK-compatible fixed layout white hotswap PCB with RGB underglow and daughter board to isolate PCB/plate from cable. Designed by Worldspawn.
  • KLE Layout Here.
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  • Gasket mount plate with individual compression control and 40A or 70A durometer nitrile rubber gaskets above and below plate tabs.
  • PVD-coated brass or sandblasted polycarbonate plate.
  • Frosted acrylic diffuser layer for RGB underglow.
  • Three SMD LED indicators.
  • One included EC11 rotary encoder.
  • One big-ass knob, available in gold or black PVD brass, or silver or black anodized aluminum.
  • One big-ass sandblasted brass weight, engraved with Cajal and microscope based on Cajal’s favorite Zeiss microscope later in life.
  • Approximate price range $300-400.

If interested, please fill out this IC form. https://forms.gle/n4ayjAnfeBfFrukN7

Thanks for your time,
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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:11:51 »
huge fan of big ass knobs
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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:15:22 »
lookin slick

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:17:27 »
dat glow

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:18:45 »
gonna do my best to get in on this! it's absolutely gorgeous

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:20:05 »
This board is beautiful. Happy to see this come to fruition!

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:24:10 »
In like Flynn!  This thing is gorgeous!
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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:30:52 »
I'm ready yall...

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:49:24 »
Aww only if it included full alpha set... ;(

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 15:12:13 »
Will you bring the LEMO in the render as extra? BT support would be proper too. QMK/VIA?

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 15:26:19 »
Gru meme time
1. Board named after one of the most famous pathologists of all time
2. A literal microscope on the weight
3. Board is the size of my hand
4. <look at big hands used to TKLs>

It’s beautiful. A year from now I’m gonna be brigading ICs for this layout, aren’t I.

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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 16:22:12 »
I like it a lot. Is the right shift a 1.25u? My only complaint would be if that was something other than a 1u there (my preference is a 1u ?/). Other renders make it look like a 1u slot, so I can’t tell.
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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 16:23:14 »
This looks really nice! Has a lot of features that I wish neuron had so I'll def be keeping an eye on this project.
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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 18:34:45 »
Will you bring the LEMO in the render as extra? BT support would be proper too. QMK/VIA?

haha no, you're on your own for cables. no way i can get a BT signal out of this dense lad, but yes the PCB is QMK-compatible. worldspawn will write the firmware once we get the proto PCBs.

one of the most famous pathologists of all time

hey, let's not pigeonhole the man.

Is the right shift a 1.25u?

yes, and i'll throw a KLE in the post when i get home.


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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 19:21:09 »
Will you bring the LEMO in the render as extra? BT support would be proper too. QMK/VIA?

haha no, you're on your own for cables. no way i can get a BT signal out of this dense lad, but yes the PCB is QMK-compatible. worldspawn will write the firmware once we get the proto PCBs.


Don't even bother to answer my questions and make your best effort to make this to GB ASAP. Already picking up switches and caps for this board.

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 06:21:55 »
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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 08:48:00 »
I'm definitely keeping my eye on this keyboard!

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 10:12:23 »
What is this?! A tiny Satisfaction 75?  :-*
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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 10:43:51 »
What is this?! A tiny Satisfaction 75?  :-*

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 10:48:05 »
What is this?! A tiny Satisfaction 75?  :-*
Satisfaction75-unnecessary switches+extra space+portability = my expectation

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 10:53:25 »
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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 17:22:13 »
Any chance for a red polycarbonate version

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 18:04:21 »
Any chance for a red polycarbonate version

this run is likely to be aluminum only to limit cost and maximize MOQs, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. have another render.
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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:28:50 »
Just renamed my savings account from 45-ATS to Cajal.

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:32:30 »
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?
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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:33:51 »
Damn, you got me. Sign me up

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:35:40 »
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?

You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:48:35 »
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?

You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row

Oh yeah makes sense. A man can dream  :(
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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:57:39 »
woah that knob  :p
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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 20:54:39 »
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?

You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row

actually....
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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 05 December 2019, 21:23:22 »
Ortho? Oh hell yes!
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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 06 December 2019, 06:38:44 »
big yes for ortho

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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 06 December 2019, 13:13:08 »
Did someone say ortho?!  :eek:

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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 06 December 2019, 19:45:36 »
Not really into 45% keyboards, but please consider selling the knobs? I would buy 2.

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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 07 December 2019, 09:24:39 »
Not really into 45% keyboards, but please consider selling the knobs? I would buy 2.

Gladly! the more we sell the cheaper I can price it for GB participants. I have to warn you though; they're 25mm, so they're too big to be used in regular switch spacing and probably most other boards.

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« Reply #35 on: Sat, 07 December 2019, 10:47:04 »
I honestly want an ortho version of this so bad! I would actually love to see your take on a split ergo in the future too :D

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« Reply #36 on: Sat, 07 December 2019, 10:54:48 »
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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 00:48:25 »
Will you be selling extra knobs too? :D

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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 08 December 2019, 13:41:57 »
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?

You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row

actually....
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ne interest avail?

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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 04:54:10 »
Im in TAKE ALL MY MONEY!!!

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« Reply #40 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 09:13:11 »

Make it wider and give us

------->       [ " ' ] [Enter]
------->    [ ? / ] [shift]

Other than that I think it is beautiful

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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 09:40:48 »

Make it wider and give us

------->       [ " ' ] [Enter]
------->    [ ? / ] [shift]

Other than that I think it is beautiful
Yeah, same.
You already broke the golden rule of 40% by keeping the arrow cluster. Might as well keep the quote key. Too useful for the English language.

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« Reply #42 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 10:05:49 »

Make it wider and give us

------->       [ " ' ] [Enter]
------->    [ ? / ] [shift]

Other than that I think it is beautiful
Yeah, same.
You already broke the golden rule of 40% by keeping the arrow cluster. Might as well keep the quote key. Too useful for the English language.

Full alphas is where it's at.  :p
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« Reply #43 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 12:29:54 »
Instabuy for me if full alphas.

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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 12:36:33 »

Make it wider and give us

------->       [ " ' ] [Enter]
------->    [ ? / ] [shift]

Other than that I think it is beautiful
Yeah, same.
You already broke the golden rule of 40% by keeping the arrow cluster. Might as well keep the quote key. Too useful for the English language.

Imma be honest, this is why ortho appeals to me: room for all the keys (and of course, it's not staggered).

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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 15:03:27 »
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.

have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
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« Reply #46 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 15:19:57 »
45 percent-- best layout! This looks chonky and great.
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« Reply #47 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 15:28:21 »
45 percent-- best layout! This looks chonky and great.

hey thanks! and glws on the 45-ATS!

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« Reply #48 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 16:52:27 »
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.

have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
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First thank you for listening carefully to what folks say.
I believe 45% size is more concentrated on pure typing experience and I believe full alpha will serve the purpose even better.
I didn't show the interest explicitly assuming dimension involved changing at this stage is hard and I think there could be many people who thought like me.
But if you are OK with the change if there is enough interest, I'm in for full alpha.
I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.
I guess asking for 60, 65% is more like asking blue out of red while 45% full alpha is orange.
I would wait for your next project for larger size keyboard.

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« Reply #49 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 23:46:23 »
first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy.

Just sayin', but using responses to a completely open-ended question to gauge relative interest in unspecified features is going to potentially give you staggeringly inaccurate results. If you actually care about doing it "democratically" (which tbh it's fine if you don't), you should be polling on specific layouts. Otherwise you might end up with a scenario where, say, a majority would prefer Layout A but assumed it wouldn't be on the table so there was no point in asking, while fans of Layout B, while fewer in number, were more bold about requesting it.

It could be that your initial assumptions are right; but there are just too many factors in play to be at all certain about the relevance of responses to an open-end that open-ended.

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« Reply #50 on: Fri, 13 December 2019, 00:22:25 »
+1 for full alpha

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« Reply #51 on: Fri, 13 December 2019, 01:56:13 »
Wow, very unique board. Full alphas would be interesting, but I understand if it would be too much of a design change to implement here. In any case I'll be waiting warmly for your future designs.

Out of curiosity, would it be possible to assemble this board without the diffuser? Any ortho renders inc?

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« Reply #52 on: Fri, 13 December 2019, 10:37:58 »
I understand if it would be too much of a design change to implement here

unfortunately i think it is, and since we are at 759 responses to the IC form as of this moment, i am not eager to alter a design that has received such an overwhelmingly warm response. like i said in an earlier response, if you're someone with whom full alphas are a dealbreaker, the 50% i will release after this should fit your preferences better. the goal of the Cajal project was to produce a premium 45%, and i feel i have achieved that goal.

Out of curiosity, would it be possible to assemble this board without the diffuser? Any ortho renders inc?

because the diffuser is part of the usb-c hole, it might compress the connector if you omit it, but i can check this when the prototypes arrive and perhaps alter the design slightly to accommodate it. no ortho renders at the moment, but i should complete the ortho plate design this weekend, submit for prototypes early next week, and get some renders ready in a week or two :)

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« Reply #53 on: Fri, 13 December 2019, 17:55:50 »
I understand if it would be too much of a design change to implement here

unfortunately i think it is, and since we are at 759 responses to the IC form as of this moment, i am not eager to alter a design that has received such an overwhelmingly warm response. like i said in an earlier response, if you're someone with whom full alphas are a dealbreaker, the 50% i will release after this should fit your preferences better. the goal of the Cajal project was to produce a premium 45%, and i feel i have achieved that goal.

Out of curiosity, would it be possible to assemble this board without the diffuser? Any ortho renders inc?

because the diffuser is part of the usb-c hole, it might compress the connector if you omit it, but i can check this when the prototypes arrive and perhaps alter the design slightly to accommodate it. no ortho renders at the moment, but i should complete the ortho plate design this weekend, submit for prototypes early next week, and get some renders ready in a week or two :)

+1 buy for ortho layout
heck, will also get if full alpha in the next round


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« Reply #54 on: Fri, 13 December 2019, 19:59:43 »
Only one person, I filled out the IC, but knowing that there will be a full alpha version, I think that’s what I am gonna go for. The wait will be painful.

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« Reply #55 on: Fri, 13 December 2019, 22:00:15 »
unfortunately i think it is, and since we are at 759 responses to the IC form as of this moment, i am not eager to alter a design that has received such an overwhelmingly warm response. like i said in an earlier response, if you're someone with whom full alphas are a dealbreaker, the 50% i will release after this should fit your preferences better. the goal of the Cajal project was to produce a premium 45%, and i feel i have achieved that goal.

@walletburner Do you have Discord or mailing list?

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« Reply #56 on: Sat, 14 December 2019, 11:49:22 »
@walletburner Do you have Discord or mailing list?

not at the moment, but i might send a reminder email to those who have filled out the IC when the full GB opens. i am also building a website to facilitate sales of the Neuron GB extras and coordinate the Cajal GB, as well as put up other resources such as QMK libraries, layouts and general info. so with that might come a discord, we will see.

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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 17 December 2019, 19:22:03 »
Color me interested. A few questions:

  • From a guy who has only known 100% and 65% keyboards, how hard is it to adjust to a 45%?
  • Are you considering other colors for this? Purple would be amaaaazing
  • For a new keeb enthusiast, can you list the unorthodox keycap sizes and row placements in the KLE layout? e.g. that R2 1.75u(?) Enter

Thanks! I will be watching this GB.

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« Reply #58 on: Sat, 28 December 2019, 20:21:28 »
Omg love the design soo much. Just wondering would you be able to do a rose gold version?

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« Reply #59 on: Sat, 28 December 2019, 23:14:27 »
I can say from experience that a 45% is a good transition from a full size or 60% to a small form factor, probably my favorite layout for straight typing actually.

It uses the typical 40s caps, 1.25 R3 tab, 1.75 R3 enter, 1u R2 esc, 1.75 and 1.25 R4 shifts, 2.25 and 2.75 split space bars, other keys are normal.
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« Reply #60 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 01:18:08 »
100% in on this

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« Reply #61 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 03:14:41 »
I did't think I would be interested in a 45% but this got me thinking

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« Reply #62 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 06:17:31 »
i'm a knob guy.So, l'm in!!!

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« Reply #63 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 10:57:03 »
Very nice! Only Hotswap PCB available? I want a soldered PCB.

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« Reply #64 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 11:00:24 »
That baby**** green colorway is an instant cop
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« Reply #65 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 11:44:00 »
E white or Rose gold and I’m in. Better yet, E-white and PVD rose gold on a brass knob. I would buy like 5.


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« Reply #66 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 14:02:46 »
Very nice! Only Hotswap PCB available? I want a soldered PCB.

+1 to soldered pcb

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« Reply #67 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 18:50:27 »
rose gold version?

E white or Rose gold and I’m in. Better yet, E-white and PVD rose gold on a brass knob.
hmm not bad ideas :D ill see what i can do

Very nice! Only Hotswap PCB available? I want a soldered PCB.

+1 to soldered pcb

i can look into this as well. i want to prioritize offering a hotswap PCB in the GB so it is accessible to new people in the hobby, but a solderable PCB is definitely a possibility.






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« Reply #68 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 21:48:34 »
rose gold version?

E white or Rose gold and I’m in. Better yet, E-white and PVD rose gold on a brass knob.
hmm not bad ideas :D ill see what i can do
Omg thank you :D Can't wait to get my hands on it!

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« Reply #69 on: Mon, 30 December 2019, 02:04:47 »
Not sure how different sandblasted brass and champagne gold are, but a champagne gold would be a nice color. For either the knob or case. I'm pretty set on the blue, but a champagne gold would make me reconsider.

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« Reply #70 on: Tue, 21 January 2020, 22:06:33 »
i forgot to ask for it in the IC i filled out but can we get an all 1u ortho layout or can it only support a 2u spacebar?

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« Reply #71 on: Wed, 22 January 2020, 18:19:51 »
How does the gasket + stoppers system work?

4.4 lbs though

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« Reply #72 on: Wed, 22 January 2020, 21:53:43 »
i forgot to ask for it in the IC i filled out but can we get an all 1u ortho layout or can it only support a 2u spacebar?

It can do full grid, 2u bar, and 7u bar according to the KLE he posted earlier in the thread.

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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 22 January 2020, 22:12:12 »
Per the usual i cannot read. I looked right at that photo and didn’t see the full grid support. Thanks for the reply

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« Reply #74 on: Wed, 22 January 2020, 22:26:16 »
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.

have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
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First thank you for listening carefully to what folks say.
I believe 45% size is more concentrated on pure typing experience and I believe full alpha will serve the purpose even better.
I didn't show the interest explicitly assuming dimension involved changing at this stage is hard and I think there could be many people who thought like me.
But if you are OK with the change if there is enough interest, I'm in for full alpha.
I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.
I guess asking for 60, 65% is more like asking blue out of red while 45% full alpha is orange.
I would wait for your next project for larger size keyboard.


What is the point of having a board the size of a sixty but less functional, just for the sake of how it looks. One more time, to each its own.



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« Reply #75 on: Wed, 22 January 2020, 22:52:26 »
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.

have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
(Attachment Link)

First thank you for listening carefully to what folks say.
I believe 45% size is more concentrated on pure typing experience and I believe full alpha will serve the purpose even better.
I didn't show the interest explicitly assuming dimension involved changing at this stage is hard and I think there could be many people who thought like me.
But if you are OK with the change if there is enough interest, I'm in for full alpha.
I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.
I guess asking for 60, 65% is more like asking blue out of red while 45% full alpha is orange.
I would wait for your next project for larger size keyboard.


What is the point of having a board the size of a sixty but less functional, just for the sake of how it looks. One more time, to each its own.

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Not sure if adding one extra key for each row here makes the size of 60. Should be the width of 65 minus 1 row just like 65 is the with of 75 minus 1 row.
If you consider losing number row from 65 is losing function, I don't agree because we will not lose any function just like we don't lose any function from 75 when down-sizing to 65.
I didn't know existence of 50% concept so technically asked him to change 45% to 50 or 55% and then realized there will another 50ish project from walletburner then stopped asking waiting for the project.
I wish his next version has 65% minus # row, all the features that Kajal has + BT and HotSwap PCB.
I'm definitely in for that project.

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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 23 January 2020, 10:16:49 »
Not sure how different sandblasted brass and champagne gold are, but a champagne gold would be a nice color. For either the knob or case. I'm pretty set on the blue, but a champagne gold would make me reconsider.

when i think "champagne gold", i think of basically the color that sandblasted brass is. i would probably only do one or the other, leaning towards brass because it might feel better because of its mass.

How does the gasket + stoppers system work?

4.4 lbs though

basically the plate is sandwiched between adhesive-backed nitrile strips, then attached to the case via a screw that goes through a hole in the trapezoidal stoppers through a slit in the plate to attach it to the case. it isn't a design style that has been tried yet (to my knowledge), but i think it will allow people to adjust their gasket tension to their preferences. i will take pictures when the prototypes arrive :)


I wish his next version has 65% minus # row, all the features that Cajal has + BT and HotSwap PCB.
I'm definitely in for that project.


it's a pretty long ways out. i am about to ship Neuron, then i will focus on Cajal, then ??. but i have some preliminary designs for a 50% that i will share here on GH when the timing is right..

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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 23 January 2020, 10:45:15 »
Not sure how different sandblasted brass and champagne gold are, but a champagne gold would be a nice color. For either the knob or case. I'm pretty set on the blue, but a champagne gold would make me reconsider.

when i think "champagne gold", i think of basically the color that sandblasted brass is. i would probably only do one or the other, leaning towards brass because it might feel better because of its mass.

How does the gasket + stoppers system work?

4.4 lbs though

basically the plate is sandwiched between adhesive-backed nitrile strips, then attached to the case via a screw that goes through a hole in the trapezoidal stoppers through a slit in the plate to attach it to the case. it isn't a design style that has been tried yet (to my knowledge), but i think it will allow people to adjust their gasket tension to their preferences. i will take pictures when the prototypes arrive :)


I wish his next version has 65% minus # row, all the features that Cajal has + BT and HotSwap PCB.
I'm definitely in for that project.


it's a pretty long ways out. i am about to ship Neuron, then i will focus on Cajal, then ??. but i have some preliminary designs for a 50% that i will share here on GH when the timing is right..


I fully understand the nature of GB. Good luck with the GB and keep us posted on your next projects. Kajal looks pretty stunning still. I will likely regret I miss this GB but can’t afford another board that is pretty but I rarely use, for now :)


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« Reply #78 on: Thu, 23 January 2020, 10:50:41 »
it's a pretty long ways out. i am about to ship Neuron, then i will focus on Cajal, then ??. but i have some preliminary designs for a 50% that i will share here on GH when the timing is right..

Waiting for that 50%!  :thumb:

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« Reply #79 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 09:41:01 »
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb? It was the first thing I put into the IC, to later realize that you had put a layout on the actual thread for Ortho haha.

If it is possible, I'd ignore another GB I was setting my wallet up for in order to go for this instead.  :cool: :))

Viva la Ortho-resistance

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« Reply #80 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 10:21:07 »
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?

Absolutely.

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Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.

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« Reply #81 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 10:54:46 »
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?

Absolutely.

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Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.

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« Reply #82 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 10:56:50 »
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?

Absolutely.

(Attachment Link)

Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)

definitely not; i really hate swiss cheese PCBs and it's also impossible with the staggered hotswap sockets.

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« Reply #83 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 13:50:58 »
@ideus

It is my understanding based on the other boards this creator has done and uses that this is NOT a 65% that has had functionality removed to be replaced by "art". I guess that is what you meant by the screenshot of the Venus de Milo. I believe this board is a 40% that has been expanded to include a little more functionality than a typical 40 would have, including some "art". Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your argument is based on a perspective that a line should be drawn for keyboards based on the physical size as much as the number of keys in an attempt to conserve precious space. Something we all value in MK, I think. But I believe this board is an attempt to be a larger 40% (45%) rather than smaller 60/65% board, to strike a balance between form and function that is unique.

I think I understand your perspective and I don't disagree with it. If I were interested in this board but really wanted it to be 60/65% I would feel just as you do. In fact I have felt that way before. However, as someone who has always looked at a 40% and felt there was always something missing from the layout, I look at this board as the perfect balance between design and use. I can get all the functionality I truly need and the design is pleasing as well. Thank you, ideus, for giving me something interesting to think about, happy to read your reply if you write.
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« Reply #84 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 14:34:31 »
@ideus

It is my understanding based on the other boards this creator has done and uses that this is NOT a 65% that has had functionality removed to be replaced by "art". I guess that is what you meant by the screenshot of the Venus de Milo. I believe this board is a 40% that has been expanded to include a little more functionality than a typical 40 would have, including some "art". Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your argument is based on a perspective that a line should be drawn for keyboards based on the physical size as much as the number of keys in an attempt to conserve precious space. Something we all value in MK, I think. But I believe this board is an attempt to be a larger 40% (45%) rather than smaller 60/65% board, to strike a balance between form and function that is unique.

I think I understand your perspective and I don't disagree with it. If I were interested in this board but really wanted it to be 60/65% I would feel just as you do. In fact I have felt that way before. However, as someone who has always looked at a 40% and felt there was always something missing from the layout, I look at this board as the perfect balance between design and use. I can get all the functionality I truly need and the design is pleasing as well. Thank you, ideus, for giving me something interesting to think about, happy to read your reply if you write.


I regret my post, so I apologize with the OP for tread-crapping his IC. The board is beautiful and for people that like the format is a great opportunity to get one of the best 40 designs available. I am typing this on a 50 percent board that I like; yet, I think that it is a bit frustrating at times, when a shifted function is needed frequently. Anyways, I hope this IC gets successful.

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« Reply #85 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 14:45:37 »
weird vibes in here. clearing it out with renders.
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« Reply #86 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 14:58:17 »
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.


The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs. Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.

I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.

This is said in jest by the way. Just pointing out what's been raised in other threads.
« Last Edit: Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:13:14 by psxndc »

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« Reply #87 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:04:19 »
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.


The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs.

Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.

I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.

Grabbing popcorn for this mild drama.

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« Reply #88 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:09:55 »
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.


The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs.

Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.

I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.


This is said in jest by the way. Just pointing out what's been raised in other threads.


@nguyenhimself

I definitely understand wanting non standard options on a board or a keyset. None of my desires for layouts are 100% compatible with anything I've seen so far so I have to use blanks and such. People always suggest to me that I should try to get my own IC started to create just the perfect board or keyset that I would want and see if everyone else is just as interested enough to make it a GB. I may do it one day. Sounds like work though, ROFL.

I totally get what @psxndc is saying too. MK is kinda already niche as it is right, so listening to what the majority of the community wants is vital to be successful.
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« Reply #89 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:14:47 »
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.


The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs.

Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.

I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.

Grabbing popcorn for this mild drama.



Ferrealz. I just thought it was a funny ask given "the mild drama." I edited my post to make it clearer I meant it in jest.

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« Reply #90 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:17:13 »
Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?

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« Reply #91 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:24:40 »
@ideus

It is my understanding based on the other boards this creator has done and uses that this is NOT a 65% that has had functionality removed to be replaced by "art". I guess that is what you meant by the screenshot of the Venus de Milo. I believe this board is a 40% that has been expanded to include a little more functionality than a typical 40 would have, including some "art". Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your argument is based on a perspective that a line should be drawn for keyboards based on the physical size as much as the number of keys in an attempt to conserve precious space. Something we all value in MK, I think. But I believe this board is an attempt to be a larger 40% (45%) rather than smaller 60/65% board, to strike a balance between form and function that is unique.

I think I understand your perspective and I don't disagree with it. If I were interested in this board but really wanted it to be 60/65% I would feel just as you do. In fact I have felt that way before. However, as someone who has always looked at a 40% and felt there was always something missing from the layout, I look at this board as the perfect balance between design and use. I can get all the functionality I truly need and the design is pleasing as well. Thank you, ideus, for giving me something interesting to think about, happy to read your reply if you write.


I regret my post, so I apologize with the OP for tread-crapping his IC. The board is beautiful and for people that like the format is a great opportunity to get one of the best 40 designs available. I am typing this on a 50 percent board that I like; yet, I think that it is a bit frustrating at times, when a shifted function is needed frequently. Anyways, I hope this IC gets successful.

Hey man I had no intention of making you regret anything. I totally feel that pain of seeing something I really like but not being able to get on board because of one design choice or another. We are all looking for that endgame right? :) You just got me thinking man, no hard feelings.

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« Reply #92 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:30:55 »
Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?

In another IC, Ngyuen and I had a contentious back and forth because I asked the runner to add a key for Minivan support (where minivan was one of the renders). Ngyuen said I was placing a burden on the community by forcing those without minivans to pay for my one minivan key. Then they asked OP here to support ortho alphas and normal mods on the PCB - literally changing the PCB design. I just thought it was a funny/surprising ask here given their stance on adding a single keycap in another IC, so I quoted their own post back to them as a joke.
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« Reply #93 on: Fri, 24 January 2020, 16:03:00 »
Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?

In another IC, Ngyuen and I had a contentious back and forth because I asked the runner to add a key for Minivan support (where minivan was one of the renders). Ngyuen said I was placing a burden on the community by forcing those without minivans to pay for my one minivan key. Then they asked OP here to support ortho alphas and normal mods on the PCB - literally changing the PCB design. I just thought it was a funny/surprising ask here given their stance on adding a single keycap in another IC, so I quoted their own post back to them as a joke.

Ah, I've waded into something I didn't intend lol. Yeah we all say things. He did say he regrets it. We all want that perfect board so it makes sense to at least ask the questions and sometimes it is easy to miss the forest for the trees.

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« Reply #94 on: Sat, 25 January 2020, 16:52:32 »
Here's another +1 for interest in full alphas. This board looks gorgeous, and I don't have anything with a bigass knob on it yet, but I find myself using the right-most alphas in my work too often to want to layer them on something so premium.
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« Reply #95 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 23:34:13 »
Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?

In another IC, Ngyuen and I had a contentious back and forth because I asked the runner to add a key for Minivan support (where minivan was one of the renders). Ngyuen said I was placing a burden on the community by forcing those without minivans to pay for my one minivan key. Then they asked OP here to support ortho alphas and normal mods on the PCB - literally changing the PCB design. I just thought it was a funny/surprising ask here given their stance on adding a single keycap in another IC, so I quoted their own post back to them as a joke.
Eh that was just a long shot.
No big deal.
Will def buy one for the ortho layout.
Let’s not give this IC a weird vibe.
It’s a great board.

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« Reply #96 on: Mon, 27 January 2020, 23:54:47 »
I was just joking. No weird vibes here.

Love the ortho Cajal.

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« Reply #97 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 06:23:58 »
Gotta say, once I heard this thing was coming in Ortho, my interest doubled. For some reason these smaller layouts just scream Ortho to me. I'm back on board!

Just as a random crazy aside, I wonder what it would look like with choc low profile keys...hmmm

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« Reply #98 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 07:28:40 »
Full alphas, even if it is ortho - joking aside - may give this IC a better outlook.

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« Reply #99 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 09:25:25 »
Full alphas, even if it is ortho - joking aside - may give this IC a better outlook.

actually the board has received an extremely warm response, with >1200 IC form responses in under 2 months, and 3 prototypes are currently under production. the layout is not changing at this point. if you want a 50%, I guess you'll have to either buy a TMO50 or wait for my next project. i hope you find what you're looking for.

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« Reply #100 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 14:29:26 »
It's a vocal minority. For all we know making it full alpha could decrease its popularity.

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« Reply #101 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 14:51:18 »
It's a vocal minority. For all we know making it full alpha could decrease its popularity.

I don't disagree with the reasoning as far as popularity, but I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish when it's already been made repeatedly clear that the layout is no longer up for debate.

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« Reply #102 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 21:01:09 »
Full alphas, even if it is ortho - joking aside - may give this IC a better outlook.

actually the board has received an extremely warm response, with >1200 IC form responses in under 2 months, and 3 prototypes are currently under production. the layout is not changing at this point. if you want a 50%, I guess you'll have to either buy a TMO50 or wait for my next project. i hope you find what you're looking for.

Wow. If all those IC forms turn into orders your project might produce revenues in the hundred thousands range. Congratulations.

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« Reply #103 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 23:38:43 »
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?

Absolutely.

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Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.

Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

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« Reply #104 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 09:28:21 »
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya

because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case  :D

as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.

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« Reply #105 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 09:40:21 »
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya

because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case  :D

as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.
Awesome news. Haha. Was wondering if chocs were an option, but understand why it'd be hard with this case. Looking forward to seeing the PC option.

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« Reply #106 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 13:33:45 »
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya

because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case  :D

as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.

Awesome stuff. I'm genuinely excited man!
Last question I got for you, is the polycarb version finale? And will we have the option to choose color combos with the Knob, or would it come as a singular kit/option?

Thanks mate  :cool:

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« Reply #107 on: Fri, 31 January 2020, 06:38:45 »
I would definitely get this if it is a 60/65% board. Hope to see a 65% ver. of this board(or a whole new one) in the future! Nevertheless, love the design and the aesthetics of this board! Awesome work! GLW this project!

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« Reply #108 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 18:20:53 »
Can't wait to see that polycarb ortho!

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« Reply #109 on: Fri, 21 February 2020, 10:26:12 »
Can't wait to see that polycarb ortho!

same! still waiting for factory production to resume. i know everything has been machined, but i am waiting for anodizing and dyeing of the polycarbonate. soon(tm)!

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« Reply #110 on: Wed, 26 February 2020, 22:28:46 »
I am so hyped on these renders and that ortho layout! This board looks so good! I realize we’re still early days, but do we have any estimates for GB? Just trying to prepare my butt wallet.

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« Reply #111 on: Mon, 16 March 2020, 15:15:04 »
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

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« Reply #112 on: Mon, 16 March 2020, 15:37:45 »
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.

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« Reply #113 on: Mon, 16 March 2020, 15:52:23 »
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.

That would honestly be a HUGE plus for me man, it's how I like to use my orthos <3

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« Reply #114 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 17:37:51 »
Did i read that right... Hotswap is no more?


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« Reply #115 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 17:57:27 »
Did i read that right... Hotswap is no more?

Pretty sure that's only if you want an ortho layout. The hotswap board was always staggered.

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« Reply #116 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 21:22:53 »
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(

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« Reply #117 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 22:36:47 »
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(
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« Reply #118 on: Tue, 24 March 2020, 22:41:21 »
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(
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« Reply #119 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 11:45:39 »
hey yall! i'm happy to announce e-white will be offered as a color in this GB. prototypes in pink polycarbonate, Space Grey, and Bushido Red are almost complete, and i am hoping for a ship date to me sometime next week. there will be (hopefully) at least one month's notice given before the GB runs, which will run on Walletburner.co for simplicity. with coronavirus affecting not just manufacturing but also deeply affecting many customers' lives, i will be monitoring the situation globally and making a decision about when to launch accordingly after the kinks are worked out with the prototypes. stay safe!

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« Reply #120 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:04:28 »
Any plans of running this again in the far future, but with a 1u wider layout (to accommodate ]}, ;: and /?)? I guess that would make it a Cajal 50% :)

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« Reply #121 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:17:31 »
scroll up, because i think i have been abundantly clear about that topic.

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« Reply #122 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:29:02 »
Thanks, I must've missed that. In that case, I agree with the following sentiments:

first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy.

Just sayin', but using responses to a completely open-ended question to gauge relative interest in unspecified features is going to potentially give you staggeringly inaccurate results. If you actually care about doing it "democratically" (which tbh it's fine if you don't), you should be polling on specific layouts. Otherwise you might end up with a scenario where, say, a majority would prefer Layout A but assumed it wouldn't be on the table so there was no point in asking, while fans of Layout B, while fewer in number, were more bold about requesting it.

It could be that your initial assumptions are right; but there are just too many factors in play to be at all certain about the relevance of responses to an open-end that open-ended.

I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.

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« Reply #123 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:32:07 »
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.

+1 for 2×2u ortho.

With ortho we can get those full alphas, and 2×2u makes it just a tad more usable.

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« Reply #125 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:46:55 »
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nice.
I'm still waiting for your 50% board after this one if I cannot get one of these.
Believe you said it would be small number raffle style GB, right?

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« Reply #126 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:48:14 »
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Right. That's not going to stop people from wanting to use a board whose design they like in a manner that's most convenient for them. :P

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« Reply #127 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:56:20 »
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Right. That's not going to stop people from wanting to use a board whose design they like in a manner that's most convenient for them. :P

But then why come into an IC and ask for a change that is completely different than what the designer is looking to do?  Adding another column or row or whatever COMPLETELY changes the design of nearly every aspect of the board including the case.  Asking for Ortho, while still annoying IMO, is a little less intrusive because the 1U setup fits almost everything anyway. 

It's one thing to come into an IC and say "This isn't for me, but it looks nice."  It's completely asinine and bonkers to come into an IC and ask for a completely different layout that will literally change dimensions on a board.
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« Reply #128 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 13:02:18 »
But then why come into an IC and ask for a change that is completely different than what the designer is looking to do?  Adding another column or row or whatever COMPLETELY changes the design of nearly every aspect of the board including the case.  Asking for Ortho, while still annoying IMO, is a little less intrusive because the 1U setup fits almost everything anyway. 

It's one thing to come into an IC and say "This isn't for me, but it looks nice."  It's completely asinine and bonkers to come into an IC and ask for a completely different layout that will literally change dimensions on a board.

Kindly read my post again. I did not ask for an extra column on this board, but on a potential future version/round of the design. The fact that I agree with some of the comments on how the IC form was conducted and interpreted also has nothing to do with asking for design changes to this board.

Since the designer has stated that they will be releasing a 50% board in the future, this discussion can be put to rest. For the time being, I care more about the possibility of having 2×2u ortho on this board, as that would make it more usable for me and thus turn it into a potential purchase.
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« Reply #129 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 13:03:52 »
Can we just enjoy the updates?

On a different note, glad to see e-white come through! Now i know what I'm going for. Any chance for renders of those any time soon?

Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!

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« Reply #130 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 13:22:08 »
Can we just enjoy the updates?

pls, this.

Any chance for renders of those any time soon?

sure, i dont see why not. i'll shoot for a new round of renders to coincide w GB launch but it's more likely you'll see pics of the protos before you see those renders.

Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!

i'll have to check again but my understanding is this will smash right into some of the existing stab cutouts. will send an update if it's doable.

let's all stay frosty out there. i am working on plenty of side-projects for after or during Cajal, and when those boards are IC'd, id be happy to discuss them. for now, let's keep this focused on this board as it is and what features you'd like added that don't require a complete redesign.

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« Reply #131 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:25:54 »
If the 2x2U is possible, would love to see it.  Definitely my favorite ortho layout. Not sure of the majority though so no need to force it.

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« Reply #132 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:36:11 »
Count me in!! loving this

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« Reply #133 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:39:42 »
Alps support would be nice


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« Reply #134 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:46:41 »
Alps support would be nice


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impossible on the staggered version due to the hotswap sockets, but definitely going in the ortho version. you'll need a 1.2mm plate made by laserboost. as with all my projects, plate files will be avail after the GB.

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« Reply #135 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:48:47 »
Fantastic!!


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« Reply #136 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 15:03:58 »
Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!

i'll have to check again but my understanding is this will smash right into some of the existing stab cutouts. will send an update if it's doable.

oi, if it's the stabs for the 1x2u layout I wouldn't mind forgoing it altogether haha, closer to your original staggered design anyhow  ;) :p

No but I do hope it works out somehow, this is legit as close as endgame could ever get for me in ortho layouts

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« Reply #137 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 15:06:45 »
Rotary encoders ftw

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« Reply #138 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 19:28:20 »
Damn. Def wanna do an Alps Ortho with that 7u space.

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« Reply #139 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 20:31:48 »
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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« Reply #140 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 20:51:04 »
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.

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« Reply #141 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 21:50:54 »
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.
Just ordered an Alps switch tester!

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Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
« Reply #142 on: Wed, 25 March 2020, 21:53:16 »
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.
Just ordered an Alps switch tester!
That's pretty tight. Yeah. Theyre just no longer produced. Harder to find. Expensive, depending on what your looking for. Honestly it's a cool experiment for someone whose never used them before, and a go-to for someone who has and really liked them. But MX switches are great too.

Offline Tobu

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Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
« Reply #143 on: Fri, 27 March 2020, 13:09:35 »
Missed your neuron boards. 100% in on this one.