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Offline openkeydesign

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[IC] EPBT Less But Better [UPDATED DEC.3]
« on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:42:38 »
Less But Better
A cherry profile dyesub keycap set

Hi, this is Killer from OpenkeyDesign. And we are a group of keyboard enthusiasts. We got a lot of inspirations from Dieter Rams' design so we decide to design our first keycap set as a tribute.
Here are the kits
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We are still working on the renderings with keyboards, so please give us some more time. And we may not have time to reply you all, but your comments and suggestions will make this keycap set better. Thank you very much!

Renderings
Please be noticed that these renderings are just for illustration purposes only. We will put more work on details with EPBT next.


Thanks to Hineybush, we use most of mx keycap 3D models made by him.

Manufacturer: EPBT
Vendor: kbdfans
GB Date: TBD

History Log:
[2020/11/22]Initial IC was submitted .
[2020/11/29]Manufacturer and Vendor were confirmed.
[2020/12/2]Update renderings.
« Last Edit: Wed, 02 December 2020, 22:49:43 by openkeydesign »
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Offline hali

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:45:01 »
loving how clean and unique this feels already
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Offline yoot

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:49:17 »
This looks pretty good. Any info on manufacturer?
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Offline cijanzen

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:50:01 »
I see the inspiration clearly and I appreciate the use of those iconic calculator colours but I’d be concerned that you’ll have a difficult time with such a thin font weight. Perhaps dye-sub has gotten better but I can’t imagine they’ll be able to achieve such consistent strokes very easily.
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Offline Janoma

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:52:10 »
Extra B please

Looks nice, not really digging the novelties.
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Offline hayt

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:09:50 »
Pretty cool
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Offline nico.psd

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:10:56 »
I like the number of possible novelties that could make this board feel unique while carrying the minimalism aesthetic. Really interesting set, will be watching! Would also be nice to own a Cherry profile set.
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Offline gnho

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:27:53 »
Can the mods have either icon or text since simplicity is the goal?
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Offline mengsicheng

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:36:33 »
Really impressive design!  I also need an extra B for my ergo. Anyway, do you consider a plan to design mats for this theme?
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Offline Fearian

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:52:15 »
Really nice design. I do dig the novelties, but I think you will have to show them in situ to sell people on it.

One problem for me: The R2 Pg Up key for 65 & 75% boards is missing it's corresponding R3 Pg Down! I would like to see a 75% compatible "Home, PgUp, PgDown, End" stack in the extras. Having 3 novelty sets but not supporting 65% feels like this is more concept than function.
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Offline ggggggg

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:52:42 »
I'd like icon only mods personally, but text only would be cool as well. On that note, the shift symbol looks like a control symbol to me. Love the b&w novelties.
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Offline lush_bunny

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:55:09 »
yo this looks cleeean. But with lines that thin, wouldn't dyesub sort of... bleed out?
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Offline Jefff

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:56:35 »
Very interesting! I'm not a huge fan of the font, but the theme and execution is amazing!
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Offline packman86

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 11:03:42 »
Very intriguing! Looking forward to seeing updates to this.

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Offline Macmutant

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 11:51:18 »
I love the clean aesthetic. Looking forward to seeing how the design develops.
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Offline wolverine92

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 12:11:05 »
Are you considering an ortho set as well?

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Offline Disintro

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 12:17:35 »
Quite a good minimalistic set. I quite like the lower case legends. Good job!
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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 12:44:46 »
Really like this idea... definitely keeping an eye on it 👍
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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 13:36:16 »
Good luck
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Offline Lenux

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 13:45:58 »
Really fine looking keyset ! Glwic !!!

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 18:27:18 »
Bravo. I will purchase this if it goes to GB. GL
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Offline iindigo

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 19:53:58 »
Nice, very clean, and it's always refreshing to see sets that use non-standard icons + typeface.
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Offline samanth

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 20:03:36 »
Extra B for Alice / em7 like layouts pls.

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Offline santela

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 20:45:58 »
Very clean and minimalistic, I'm digging it.
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Offline MIGHTY CHICKEN

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 21:03:13 »
Chicken enjoy, buck buck
seems like a lot though shrugs
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Offline Dafraz117

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 22:01:42 »
First off big fan of Dieter Rams and love to see a set designed around him.

Id love to see the brown and/or green accents replaced with red or cream or light grey as they are colors he used quite often in his designs. I can only think of the calculator keys being the one time he used brown and a forest green (not a bright green). Red is also quite prominent in his own home office which you can see on YouTube:
Maybe I’m wrong though.

One way could be to add mods kit with red or orange legends and a light grey background as light grey is often used in his designs. Not sure if that would look weird or not.

Would love to hear what color the keycaps would be as I think getting the right color would be important for this set. The color chosen reminds me of his 606 universal shelving system which is a nice choice.

Love everything else about the kits great work. I’ll be in for all kits no matter what you decide.


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Offline Dafraz117

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 22:04:17 »
Oh yea and also +1 for extra b!


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Offline keebieweeb

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 23:14:56 »
This is really nice - like a breath of fresh air


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Offline EURA

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 23 November 2020, 00:52:25 »
Absolutely in love with this and the novelty designs! I'd like to point out that you're missing the extra "b" in the base kit, and in the caps alphas kits, the non-barred "G" should be "J" instead. I'd also like ask if it was an intentional decision to have the extra "B," in the Caps Alphas kit, be a blank instead of the actual "B?" Also, in the renders, none of the novelties are centered, but I'm not sure if that's part of the design or not?
« Last Edit: Mon, 23 November 2020, 00:55:39 by EURA »
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Offline santela

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 23 November 2020, 02:42:12 »
Btw the kitting right now has a lot of problems, but I understand this is early stage. In terms of the design I think you'll have no problem getting a lot of interest, but you might want to think about the manufacturing process. Double shot abs is probably impossible, but dye-sub pbt may also suffer from bleeding if you are gonna have thin lines like that. In the end you might have to make some compromises.
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Offline i luv chuletas

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 23 November 2020, 02:44:42 »
Love the theme and the direction behind it, but I think the icon+text mods are way too busy for the "clean" aesthetic. They detract from the overall crispiness of the theme.

Would love to see a kit for icon mods or text mods at least, otherwise beautiful work on the set man.
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Offline directheatedtriode

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 23 November 2020, 06:00:44 »
I love the set as well but am also concerned about dye sub getting razor sharp lines on the alphas/text mods. I'd think new mold GMK would be the way to go given the popularity?
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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 23 November 2020, 06:45:18 »
Sexy stuff gentlemen, and ladies if girls contributed
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Offline Dafraz117

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 23 November 2020, 07:07:24 »
I had some other thoughts last night. Very excited with the idea and a lot of good stuff here. But a few more ideas...Dieter rams was very against using anything that was not needed aka less is more. One of his ten design principles is that it uses as little design as possible. I understand the novelties and less kits are inspired by his other designs but are they betraying his design ethos? For example I don’t think putting a speaker design on a key would be something he would do because it does not involve the function. I also think it would be very unlikely that he would put a quote like “less is more on keys”. I think the idea of novelties in general to dieter would be frowned upon. So I think the less and novelties kits are not in line with his design philosophies if that is your aim. But I see what you were doing by taking his design ideas for things like speakers and putting them on keys. So it depends on what direction you want to go. Finally if you get rid of the novelties(less/novelties) then I think with the other kits capital alphas would seem quite strange as the mods are lower case and I love the the lower case look very cool. Just some more ideas... really excited for this.


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Offline UberPlatypus

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 23 November 2020, 07:33:07 »
Really love the novelties. Such thing font is awesome however this seems difficult to achieve with a high success rate.

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Offline Vhawk

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 23 November 2020, 10:33:01 »
This as a CRP set would be WILD
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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 03:08:31 »
I want.
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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 05:08:19 »
Interesting.  You should crop your images tighter to allow the detail to be seen better.
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Offline kohalified

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 20:27:14 »
Looks solid. Like the inspo.
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Offline CrlaoSvloadr

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 21:22:09 »

Wonderful looking set, getting all the things the others didn't- and for that I am absolutely looking forward to this set!
Great job and hope to hear more from this thread!
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Offline juice_pouch

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 23:22:41 »
Agreed on the cropping, the images are 1/3 your design elements, 1/3 keys, and 1/3 emptiness. Can barely see the details without opening the images standalone in a new tab
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Offline konstantin

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 25 November 2020, 04:48:16 »
Not a fan of the typographic solution you opted for here. Doesn't work well on a keycap set, imo. Some of the legends also look off-centered/misaligned.
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Offline openkeydesign

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 29 November 2020, 09:09:08 »
Quote from: yoot on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:49:17
This looks pretty good. Any info on manufacturer?

Thank you. We just confirmed the manufacturer.
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Offline openkeydesign

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 29 November 2020, 09:13:43 »
Quote from: Fearian on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:52:15
Really nice design. I do dig the novelties, but I think you will have to show them in situ to sell people on it.

One problem for me: The R2 Pg Up key for 65 & 75% boards is missing it's corresponding R3 Pg Down! I would like to see a 75% compatible "Home, PgUp, PgDown, End" stack in the extras. Having 3 novelty sets but not supporting 65% feels like this is more concept than function.

We will try to improve that next. Thank you for your suggestion.
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Offline openkeydesign

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Re: [IC] Less But Better
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 07:34:43 »
Quote from: samanth on Sun, 22 November 2020, 20:03:36
Extra B for Alice / em7 like layouts pls.

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Extra B will be added.
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Offline mengsicheng

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Re: [IC] EPBT Less But Better [UPDATED Nov.29]
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 08:02:17 »
Great！So the next thing that I eager for is the renders.  Keep my eyes on this page and hope to see more new interesting stuff.
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Offline LeoZ

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Re: [IC] EPBT Less But Better [UPDATED Nov.29]
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 10:04:44 »
lowercase best case, count me in :)
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Offline openkeydesign

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Re: [IC] EPBT Less But Better [UPDATED DEC.2]
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 02 December 2020, 01:52:34 »
Will continue to update renderings
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Re: [IC] EPBT Less But Better [UPDATED DEC.2]
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 02 December 2020, 02:08:15 »
No EU vendors? :(
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Re: [IC] EPBT Less But Better [UPDATED DEC.2]
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 02 December 2020, 02:34:38 »


Personally not the biggest fan of grey on white, but I get the look. I'd go for a different typeface and pick either all symbols or all text for mods.
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