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Offline Amp

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« Reply #500 on: Tue, 05 October 2010, 21:43:23 »
Ripster's not obsessed at all.

No sir.
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Offline Lanx

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« Reply #501 on: Tue, 05 October 2010, 23:46:28 »
Quote from: ripster;230058
A few minutes ago we exceeded 30,000 views for this thread (30,105).

OCN's Razer Thread is at 27,191 despite a MUCH larger membership.



wouldn't it just be cuz OCN is an overclocking site and if ppl wanted more in depth info on mech keyboards to head on over to geekhack? thats what happened to me (and i'm sure many others) longtime member of [H], saw the mech keyboard thread and it said for more info head over to geekhack.
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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #502 on: Tue, 05 October 2010, 23:48:28 »
Quote from: washuai;229950
@MrBlond If the Deck & Razer have too much bezel for you and you have to have backlit, etc., why not look into getting an xarmor u9bl?  That wrist rest detaches.  Their board was out before razers and hopefully they'll be out before razer with their brown variant.  All though, they aren't as easy to obtain, unfortunately.  Still, way easier than some of the asian keyboards.

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Not easy to obtain? You can buy right from their store.
http://www.xarmor-usa.com/xarmor-u9bl-led-backlit-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html


It costs about the same as the BW Ultimate and is essentially the same keyboard, only it has NKRO, a wrist rest, orange WASD keys, a keycap puller, and they don't spew bull**** like the Hudson river like Razer does. And I think they're still bundling gaming mice with it. It's better value and won't stain your soul quite as much.
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Offline Boozebeard

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« Reply #503 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 06:05:24 »
I think I might just get a Filco with browns.

Although that xarmor could be a contender if they get a brown variant out soon.
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Offline zefrer

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« Reply #504 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 09:50:42 »
Quote from: Lanx;230296
wouldn't it just be cuz OCN is an overclocking site and if ppl wanted more in depth info on mech keyboards to head on over to geekhack? thats what happened to me (and i'm sure many others) longtime member of [H], saw the mech keyboard thread and it said for more info head over to geekhack.


Same here, read same post :)
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Offline mrblond

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« Reply #505 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 16:46:18 »
I had looked at the Xarmor boards also but i had noticed that they have that rubberized coating on the keys. I have heard from a lot of folks that had a lycosa and had it come off so I have steered away from that one. I am thinking of just pre ordering the BW and if i don't like it, ship it back and get a Filco.
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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #506 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 17:01:10 »
The BW Ultimate has the same key style, I believe.
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Offline mrblond

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« Reply #507 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 17:05:35 »
Razer doesn't mention rubberization for the BW on their site. I'm going to guess that crap counts as " bling " and that's something Razer likes to make sure you know about.
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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #508 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 17:42:29 »
Quote from: ripster;230590
Probably not rubberized though.  The $80 Black Widow looked pretty standard texture to me.

iOne either does the rubberized cell phone style or regular lasered. The dye-sub base layer is just there for general darkening around the letter, it looks crap on its own without rubber over it, and the Razer's keys don't look like crap (disregarding the font).



I think Razer has gotten enough complaints about Lycosa rubber peeling not to list rubberized coating as a major feature anymore.
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #509 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 17:53:43 »
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Offline mrblond

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« Reply #510 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 02:37:42 »
Well, it seems the BW ultimate has been knocked back to Nov 28 now. time to cross that off my list.
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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #511 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 11:23:31 »
The LED version has been pushed back to 11/28.




Looks like there are two vaporware boards coming out (maybe), the TrulyErgonomic and the BlackWidow.
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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #512 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 11:28:55 »
Whups, was reading page 43.
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Offline ~Blood~

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« Reply #513 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 09:30:57 »
gold is used in analog cables not for conductivity but because they erase er... hard to say in english, interfering in the currents?
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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #514 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 10:06:36 »
Reduces electromagnetic interference, you mean. Yeah, it's used in the shielding.
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Offline Fwiffo

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« Reply #515 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 15:58:12 »
There was a discussion about the alleged flat layout on the teamliquid thread, and everyone decided it was just a lazy artist.

Generally, using macro keys is banned at tournaments, so I don't think competitive level gamers are likely to use those features.
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Offline dennis40

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« Reply #516 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 18:01:01 »
According to my friend , BlackWidows non-ultimate are all over Singapore now .
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Offline Arc'xer

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« Reply #517 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 19:12:28 »
Quote from: Fwiffo;232214
There was a discussion about the alleged flat layout on the teamliquid thread, and everyone decided it was just a lazy artist.

Generally, using macro keys is banned at tournaments, so I don't think competitive level gamers are likely to use those features.


The flat layout is more to reduce the cost, if not that keyboard would probably cost 50-60 dollars more minimum. It's cheaper to build the layout out of the key caps i.e. mold them in degrees or at least mold the keyboard in a single direction(flat with legs or at an angle with triangular mold acting as legs) and then the key caps rather than have the entire keyboard physically molded to the degrees desired for key caps, as in say the model M which has a cylindrical shape to it.
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Offline Kzhan00b

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« Reply #518 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 19:24:07 »
Quote from: dennis40;232234
According to my friend , BlackWidows non-ultimate are all over Singapore now .


Not really all over singapore, just available for purchase at specific places actually...

Apparently those who pre-ordered the ultimate edition ones will get their's in the next week or so...
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Offline Arc'xer

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« Reply #519 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 19:53:53 »
Not sure guess I must have misread those last few comments.
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Offline Arc'xer

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« Reply #520 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 20:02:59 »
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #521 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 20:10:08 »
TG3 has been using these Keycaps from Signature Plastics on a lot of products. I don't think it's a way to cut cost. TG3 is American and willing to spend the money manufacturing a quality product. if you asked a Costar engineer how to improve the CST-104/105 model I am sure he would give you suggestions before rubbing his fingers together.

the Deck Legend is a mechanical keyboard marketed towards gamers not typist so Deck can get away with it. I do have a theory. I think having a non-sculpted profile allows your fingers not to climb and drop constantly.
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #522 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 20:24:51 »
lol

the Lavender W, S, A, D are wider, broader and I think they have the same height.

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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #523 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 20:53:04 »
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Offline elservo

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« Reply #524 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 21:13:26 »
I was told there were cookies in here?
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #525 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 21:16:07 »
Quote from: ripster;232299
You really should stop hanging around OCN and those Asian blogs.  Full of misinformation.
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Filco D key on top of Lavendar Filco D key.  They are identical in every way (except the coating).
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Come to the Dark Side.  We Have Cookies!

no wonder. the picture I posted was the steelseries 7G with Lavender W, S, A, D.
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #526 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 21:23:08 »
yeah but the Lavender W, S, A, D were on the steelseries 7G I should of picked up on that.



even at this angle you can see the media icons.



the Lavender Keys are the same height but broader and wider. look at the top picture.

let me know when the Blackwidow has Cherry MX Brown or Black. lol
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Offline Kairxa

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« Reply #527 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 21:47:39 »
Quote from: ripster;232327
And everyone complains about Filcos getting shiney.  Look at that SteelSeries F key!


Looks like it's been polished with oil. Lol!
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Offline elservo

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« Reply #528 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 21:48:52 »
Quote from: ripster;232313
Only for females.  Candy if you are of a certain age.


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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #529 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 21:56:20 »
Quote from: Kairxa;232328
Looks like it's been polished with oil. Lol!

I polish your moms firms with oil
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #530 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 22:05:54 »
there must be an anti-slip material out there that doesn't peel like rubber.
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #531 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 22:12:08 »
Logitech G9 and G9x rubber coating also peels.

maybe you should go out and buy various anti-slip materials or chemicals. experiment with keycaps.
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Offline elservo

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« Reply #532 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 22:13:10 »
I just scratch off the rubber coating on all my Logitech mice.  I can't help myself.
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #533 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 22:15:13 »
Quote from: ripster;232346
We've already had people here plasti-dip their keys.  Actually I thought that was kinda kinky.


I think plasti-dip will eventually peel. rubber also attracts dust from the electrical build up.
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #534 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 22:27:06 »
what about anti-slip treatments?

http://www.noskidding.ca/ns_110.htm
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Offline Paddywagon

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« Reply #535 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 22:43:04 »
I don't know that Mr. Clickclack's rubberized keys would peel. I think they were solid rubber or doubleshot?? Or am I delusional? Or is he delusional?
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Offline squarebox

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« Reply #536 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 23:22:01 »
Razer Blackwidow are on the shelves of retail stores in Singapore. Been out for a week or so already...

I still wont buy unless it goes below USD$60. If not, i rather buy a TVS-Gold...
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Offline squarebox

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« Reply #537 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 23:39:43 »
Quote from: ripster;232373
What about the Ultimate on the shelves though?

I think that would be the big seller. Once it gets heavily discounted it should be a Deck and Xarmor killer.

I assume both on the shelves. I didnt went to see it up-close, but the shops here were stocking up on it...
In Singapore, nothing is ever heavily discounted.
The lowest prices goes are only as low as Amazon/Newegg normal prices...
We never have a thing called black-friday and anything close to it...

Prices here: (Based SGD $1.32 = USD $1)
Blackwidow = SGD$149 = USD$113 (nearest dollar)
Blackwidow Ultimate = SGD$199 = USD$151 (nearest dollar)

But RMA are at most an hour drive away(even if u live at the opposite end of Singapore)... no shipping are ever needed...
but they will take like 1-2hour to confirm it's faulty and hand u a new one... waiting time is a killer...
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Offline zefrer

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« Reply #538 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 07:58:38 »
Quote from: ripster;232267
Hey, nobody answered the trivia quiz about where's Waldo in this pic!
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It's the 9 key on the number row.  It's now F9.

Now THAT'S Razer QC.


Err, where's the number 1 key?
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« Reply #539 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 08:52:16 »
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Nice beagle.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #540 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 09:31:45 »
That Pho-king Phunny.  Pho sounds good right now.  My allergies are acting up, and I have a sore throat.  I am not on my "A-game" today.  I need to stop drinking caffeine.  It's not helping, and I'll probably end up feeling worse later.
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #541 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 11:54:30 »
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Offline zefrer

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« Reply #542 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 11:59:03 »
"Loved you on eggheads!"
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Offline lmnop

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« Reply #543 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 12:18:42 »
nobody has mentioned the wobbly Keycaps that can be seen clearly in the picture above.
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« Reply #544 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 12:59:39 »
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Nice beagle.

From Reader's Digest
When president Ronald Reagan and wife traveled to Ireland, they were constantly correcting the people who called them "Reegin" instead of "Raygan". It's said that one of their hosts or hostesses had a dog, of which Nancy asked the breed. The owner said it was a bagel.
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« Reply #545 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 13:07:15 »
Quote from: lmnop;232282
the Lavender W, S, A, D are wider, broader and I think they have the same height.

The Xarmor U9BL has colored key caps of different heights; 1 high, 3 low. They're clearly a match for WASD rather than the arrows:



The orange caps don't have the same feel as the black, not rubber coated.
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Offline AngryRedGold

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« Reply #546 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 14:02:15 »
Logitech macro software does not allow remapping of all keys. I "believe" Microsoft SW is similar. This is the main reason I'm considering this board.

On a similar note, does anyone know if the Razer SW allows mouse click mapping to keyboard keys?
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Offline arc2

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« Reply #547 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 14:25:57 »
Quote from: AngryRedGold;232977
Logitech macro software does not allow remapping of all keys. I "believe" Microsoft SW is similar. This is the main reason I'm considering this board.

On a similar note, does anyone know if the Razer SW allows mouse click mapping to keyboard keys?


Funny, that was the reason I purchased the Razer Lycosa, the ability to create macros for every key.

I also believe the Logitech and Microsoft key mapping software does not support this functionality.

Certainly the Lycosa software which looks similar but not identical does allow manual programming of mouse clicks, left mouse button, middle mouse button and right mouse button.

However I am returning the Lycosa as I overlooked it's roll over limitations which make it useless to me in terms of a gaming keyboard.

Maybe the Black Widow will perform better in that way as it is a different technology entirely but I would absolutely recommend ensuring your preferred key press configurations will
be recognised by the keyboard as a top priority.
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Offline skartt

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« Reply #548 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 21:41:26 »
Sorry, but the additional required CPU time is insignificant, even for gamers.
(TT esports also market 1000Hz polling for their Keyboards, besides ventilators :c))
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« Reply #549 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 23:43:24 »
when is this gonna be available?
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