Author Topic: Razer Mechanical? (Read 249987 times)

sixty · « **Reply #600 on:** Sat, 30 October 2010, 11:25:19 »

Quote from: ripster;240500

Why not post it here at Geekhack in the reviews section?

Will probably be there as well.

ZXZXZXZX, ZXC is already impossible. Two key rollover ahoy.

sixty · « **Reply #601 on:** Sat, 30 October 2010, 11:33:31 »

Quote from: ripster;240503

Ctrl-a-q

Crawling going left and pushing Q is a no-no.

Works. Fair enough it should also be noted that most combinations near the WASD cluster work up to 6 keys. Z row is unlucky and maxes at two key rollover for the first few keys. Arrow keys also get no love and max at 2 key rollover in all combinations. Numpad has 6 key rollover in all combinations. I guess real gamers do not use arrow keys anymore and I am just being too oldschool regarding these.

sixty · « **Reply #602 on:** Sat, 30 October 2010, 11:48:57 »

Quote from: ripster;240507

Hmmm... Different results here.

What test are you using?

Also, please be specific which arrow combos aren't working. Usually it's a diagonal move with some other key is more real life.

To test rollover I use various methods, ripotine to test the rows.
I also use a bent coathanger that I can bend around to test for several hard to reach keys at once.

Arrow keys work in most combinations with other keys but not all at once. This matters if you play rhythm games. For example Left+Right+Up doesnt work, same for any other obscure combination exeeding 2 keys.

Ctrl+a+q works every time here. Both with left and right CTRL.

Ekaros · « **Reply #603 on:** Sat, 30 October 2010, 12:15:57 »

Yeah, 2KRO... If they spend bit less on marketing and more on product... Hmm, going to buy this one only used and then max 40€...

Tofurkeymeister · « **Reply #604 on:** Sat, 30 October 2010, 13:54:06 »

You can only press two arrow keys at a time, I should have clarified that.

However, pressing these keys does not affect the rollover for the other keys as far as I can tell. For instance, I can press (Arrow Up + Arrow Left + Q + W + E + A). Also, few games need more than three arrows pressed at once, so the arrow keys are fine for WASD-esque gaming.

Also, CTRL + AQ works, I must of screwed up somehow before.

P.S. Now we have to change the wiki

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Ekaros · « **Reply #605 on:** Sat, 30 October 2010, 14:13:54 »

Two arrows with z x c v or two of these?

Tofurkeymeister · « **Reply #606 on:** Sat, 30 October 2010, 17:00:49 »

Quote from: Ekaros;240548

Two arrows with z x c v or two of these?

I do not understand your question.

sixty · « **Reply #607 on:** Sun, 31 October 2010, 23:43:09 »

Started writing the review today and taking this #($#@ apart.

Did I mention it is really shiny yet?

ohhhh shiny.

PS: Unlike the first few impressions people had, the keyboard and the keycaps actually do have a different curve on all 4 rows. Its very subtle and barely noticeable, but its definitely there. The mold markings on the keycaps confirm this. Talking of the keycaps.. if it wasn't for the hideous font these would actually be pretty nice. I actually am quite fond of their sound and feel.

When I first got the board I had a pretty "meh" impression of it, the stabilizers feel cheap and the font is terrible. But the more I use it, the less bad it seems. More on that in the actual full review at a later time.

laden3 · « **Reply #608 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 00:02:20 »

it looks really nice... is it the cheapest cherry blue we can get in USA without build quality problems?

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #609 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 00:03:20 »

Quote from: laden3;240959

it looks really nice... is it the cheapest cherry blue we can get in USA without build quality problems?

The RK-9000 seems to not have build quality issues, but as far as I can tell no one has put it through its paces with a disassembly yet.

Orphagn · « **Reply #610 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 00:27:56 »

I was tempted to get one of these, but instead i ordered a Filco tenkeyless with Cherry Blacks. If I end up not liking that I might try one of these out, depending on how review go.

laden3 · « **Reply #611 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 00:56:25 »

Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;240960

The RK-9000 seems to not have build quality issues, but as far as I can tell no one has put it through its paces with a disassembly yet.

black widow is $5 cheaper =P plus u get 5 extra switches XD

Ekaros · « **Reply #612 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 01:01:43 »

Quote from: Tofurkeymeister;240570

I do not understand your question.

Pressing two of the normal arrow keys and one or two of z/x/c/v keys. Just intrested as this might be needed in couple games(JRPG)...

sixty · « **Reply #613 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 01:16:20 »

After a while I finally managed to open the Black Widow. The build quality on this is very good. The solder points are rather clean and the PCB is dual sided.

Black PCB. Definitely not Costar from the looks of it.

The PCB/Metal plate is mounted with 6 separate screws, no clipping. Rumors say IONE is making these.. if that is the case they seem to make pretty decent boards.

The inside of this keyboard feels much more stable and of a higher quality than the outside. I guess they were cheap and had to save on things like stabilizers, which is definitely the wrong approach to cut costs.

sixty · « **Reply #614 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 01:19:04 »

Quote from: Ekaros;240548

Two arrows with z x c v or two of these?

All working fine.

laden3 · « **Reply #615 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 01:20:56 »

yay at least Razer isn't selling a $5 keyboard for $80 this time. I should persuade my housemate to get this, that bastard said a $60 6GV2 is too expensive...

sixty · « **Reply #616 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 01:26:28 »

Quote from: ripster

Plenty of room for $1 worth of diodes too.

I agree a gaming board should have full n-key rollover. Another few interesting things I noticed is that there are full solder points for both the audio jacks and all LEDs in each keyswitch. I do not have a spare LED lying around, but since the controller still suppots the dim option (it dims the razer logo) I am pretty sure its safe to assume that if you stick a bunch of LEDs into the keyswitches you can mod this thing to be the backlit version on your own... of course that is probably not very cost effective since you would lack keycaps too.

Another bonus:

Hidden staff list with nicknames in the case mold.. no one will ever see this without breaking their guarantee.

laden3 · « **Reply #617 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 01:37:12 »

hmm black widow ultimate...

Azuremen · « **Reply #618 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 11:58:17 »

Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;240960

The RK-9000 seems to not have build quality issues, but as far as I can tell no one has put it through its paces with a disassembly yet.

It still seems more solid than the other $80 range options, such as the Adesso. I'll compare it with the 6Gv2 when it shows up.

The base Black Widow doesn't seem like a bad deal, but the Ultimate is $50 premium for some LEDs and a USB port...

Senor_Cartmenez · « **Reply #619 on:** Mon, 01 November 2010, 12:15:53 »

no rollover = no good deal

Kairxa · « **Reply #620 on:** Fri, 05 November 2010, 06:55:21 »

Ba-da BUMP!

It's shiny!

And it's dirty.

Anyway, I found that BW's keys felt a lil bit different with my filco. Dunno why, but I think I like BW's key better than my filco. Yet, as stated above, no key rollover = no good deal.

And it's dirty. Have I mentioned that?

Booth babe.

I was supposed to get these photos at Wednesday, but unfortunately, I got in an accident - I fell off from my bike - when I was going to there. Bye my left thumb nail.

zefrer · « **Reply #621 on:** Fri, 05 November 2010, 07:18:42 »

Ouch, feel better Kairxa. WRT black widow, the shiny-ness and resulting always-dirty look ruins it for me.

Kairxa · « **Reply #622 on:** Fri, 05 November 2010, 07:26:41 »

Yeah thx

I dislike that too, when it's clean, it's great, but our hands are not always clean, right?

Azuremen · « **Reply #623 on:** Fri, 05 November 2010, 07:41:02 »

Quote from: Kairxa;242887

Ba-da BUMP!

Show Image

Well, now that I've recovered from the blindness this induced, I think I can explain the keys.

From what I recall, when I tested the Marauder SC keyboard out, the keys are all rubberized a bit with a soft touch material. Felt great on the fingers. Any chance that is what it is?

I've not seen a BW in person yet, so I'm not sure...

Kairxa · « **Reply #624 on:** Fri, 05 November 2010, 07:48:48 »

Quote from: Azuremen;242899

Well, now that I've recovered from the blindness this induced, I think I can explain the keys.

From what I recall, when I tested the Marauder SC keyboard out, the keys are all rubberized a bit with a soft touch material. Felt great on the fingers. Any chance that is what it is?

I've not seen a BW in person yet, so I'm not sure...

All pictures above are BWs.

Marauder indeed felt good. I tested that too. But I hate rubberized keys. The dome felt great though. Marauder has some kind of borders above its keys.

Something like that. Unfortunately, I didn't take any photo of marauder

Azuremen · « **Reply #625 on:** Fri, 05 November 2010, 08:07:47 »

Oh, I was aware that those were pictures of the BlackWidow. I was just curious if it had the same rubber treatment the Marauder has.

I was pretty happy gaming on the Marauder when I tested it, but I haven't had a chance to see how it feels now that I've started using mechanical keyboards. Was also funny spamming APM on it and watching it glow all crazy

If only the Marauder used some kind of mechanical switch...

WhiteRice · « **Reply #626 on:** Fri, 05 November 2010, 08:43:39 »

OT: Damn that booth girl is delicious.

Kairxa · « **Reply #627 on:** Fri, 05 November 2010, 09:16:58 »

Quote from: Azuremen;242909

Oh, I was aware that those were pictures of the BlackWidow. I was just curious if it had the same rubber treatment the Marauder has.

I was pretty happy gaming on the Marauder when I tested it, but I haven't had a chance to see how it feels now that I've started using mechanical keyboards. Was also funny spamming APM on it and watching it glow all crazy

If only the Marauder used some kind of mechanical switch...

Oh, sorry for misunderstanding D:
Nope, BW doesn't use rubberized key. IIRC someone has posted about what keycaps that BW use o.o

Quote from: WhiteRice;242919

OT: Damn that booth girl is delicious.

Fwiffo · « **Reply #628 on:** Fri, 05 November 2010, 10:15:35 »

I think there *might* be a difference with respect to rubberized keys between the basic BW and the BW Ultimate.

Kairxa · « **Reply #629 on:** Fri, 05 November 2010, 10:35:05 »

Yep, those photos are BW Ultimate ver. If only it has diodes.. I will consider moving to BW.

Btw, marauder's rubberized keys felt a lot different from lycosa's.

BlueRain · « **Reply #630 on:** Sat, 06 November 2010, 02:58:20 »

Now the "regular" version is pushed to 11/30, 2 days later than the Ultimate, which probably will be delayed too?...

Azuremen · « **Reply #631 on:** Sat, 06 November 2010, 03:49:40 »

Quote from: BlueRain;243299

Now the "regular" version is pushed to 11/30, 2 days later than the Ultimate, which probably will be delayed too?...

At this rate it will never be released. Luckily, their first delay of it is what lead me on keyboard research spree, ultimately landing me here and with, quite arguably, a much better keyboard.

Ekaros · « **Reply #632 on:** Sat, 06 November 2010, 08:38:29 »

Only thing that speaks for razer is some macros and localization. Still, price is in acceptable range, but not sure about the KRO...

Likely finding one used is best bet...

BlueRain · « **Reply #633 on:** Sat, 06 November 2010, 12:41:59 »

Still need to have an actual ship date for the new ones before finding a used one...

Quote from: Ekaros;243321

Only thing that speaks for razer is some macros and localization. Still, price is in acceptable range, but not sure about the KRO...

Likely finding one used is best bet...

Kairxa · « **Reply #634 on:** Sun, 07 November 2010, 09:22:02 »

Maybe it is rubberized, but as he said regarding that..

Quote

The keys also have other nice design features, like a light rubberized coating.

It's my fault then for not realizing that. Sorry.

Kairxa · « **Reply #635 on:** Sun, 07 November 2010, 09:42:46 »

I see. So that's what made BW felt different from my Filco. Well, just hope that 2 new kinds of rubberized key that they use in BW and Marauder is better than Lycosa's.

Marauder has the thickest one, I think, and BW has the slightest one.

Kairxa · « **Reply #636 on:** Sun, 07 November 2010, 09:55:08 »

Nobody knows, just wait for the sands of time to give us the results

A challenge to Razer then. Still, the more I know about other products out there, the more I dislike Razer. *sigh*

Senor_Cartmenez · « **Reply #637 on:** Mon, 08 November 2010, 06:39:23 »

Quote from: Kairxa;243810

Still, the more I know about other products out there, the more I dislike Razer. *sigh*

That's the natural progression in the world of keyboards. Same goes for Logitech

Kairxa · « **Reply #638 on:** Mon, 08 November 2010, 07:03:08 »

Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;244168

That's the natural progression in the world of keyboards. Same goes for Logitech

Lol.
But if I'm not mistaken, old dome board by Logitech (90's maybe?) is still in it's prime condition even now, like my friend's.
Wish I could find another dome board like that again.

Senor_Cartmenez · « **Reply #639 on:** Mon, 08 November 2010, 07:21:44 »

hm, I have yet to see any Logitech board that doesn't feel "mushy" after a short period of time... printing well maybe even logitechs used better printing methods back in the days

Kairxa · « **Reply #640 on:** Mon, 08 November 2010, 08:52:28 »

Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;244179

hm, I have yet to see any Logitech board that doesn't feel "mushy" after a short period of time... printing well maybe even logitechs used better printing methods back in the days

Old dome boards are good, nowadays they only think about profits. *sigh*

keyb_gr · « **Reply #641 on:** Mon, 08 November 2010, 15:19:14 »

Logitech was not a significant force in keyboards until the very late '90s. My parents got such a curvy Internet Navigator thingy with a new comp in 2001. These like to develop high friction on off-center keypresses for whatever reason. Kinda squishy feel, too. I ultimately hooked them up with the ML-equipped Tandberg (they weren't too fond of the AT102DW or a G81).

It would certainly be interesting to know which Logitech boards actually come out of their own production facilities. Even 5 years ago, it was like 50/50 own vs. OEM and ODM all over Asia, and that's for the whole production including pointing devices. The typical Logitech keyboard might not even exist.

NewbieOneKenobi · « **Reply #642 on:** Mon, 08 November 2010, 17:08:10 »

Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;244179

hm, I have yet to see any Logitech board that doesn't feel "mushy" after a short period of time... printing well maybe even logitechs used better printing methods back in the days

I had an EX 110 set that featured one of their standard keyboards and it was too hard on my fingers but otherwise nice (and very fast typing until you got tired). I don't think it was mushy.

Quote from: Kairxa;244205

Old dome boards are good

Yeah, the SK88-20 IBMs I got for $3 apiece were some of the best purchases I've made and I have a Hama scissors board that never fails me when I get tired typing on mechanical units.

BlueRain · « **Reply #643 on:** Fri, 12 November 2010, 16:18:06 »

Apparently, NewEgg got stock earlier than the Razer Store.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823114011

81.99 + 8.95 shipping...

Kairxa · « **Reply #644 on:** Fri, 12 November 2010, 20:51:00 »

SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS!!

If only it has diodes *sigh*

Azuremen · « **Reply #645 on:** Fri, 12 November 2010, 21:10:22 »

Some people just don't get why the keys make sounds. The number of times I've had people say they'd go crazy if they had my Blues keyboard makes me chuckle.

I do find it amusing Amazon and Newegg have this in stock before Razer themselves do.

Mr. Perfect · « **Reply #646 on:** Sat, 13 November 2010, 22:09:02 »

The BW isn't actually in stock in a brick and mortar store is it? I'm not exactly interested in this board, but it would be nice to try it out to see what the MX Blues are like.

orangemonster · « **Reply #647 on:** Sun, 14 November 2010, 02:42:48 »

Quote from: Mr. Perfect;246538

The BW isn't actually in stock in a brick and mortar store is it? I'm not exactly interested in this board, but it would be nice to try it out to see what the MX Blues are like.

They're in stock in most brick and mortar stores in Singapore. I was inspired by tofurkeymeister's review and bought one for myself yesterday. It's retailing at SGD145 or USD112.

So far it feels pretty solid (and loud) and I'm loving the feel of the Blues. Note that my experience is subjective as this is my first mechanical in 15 years. I was actually looking for a Filco, but the shop I went to wasn't open so I ended up with the next best thing. After working with it for awhile, I think the BW, at SGD145, could very well be a gateway drug for people who've never used a mechanical. The keys have just the right amount of resistance (compared to the scissors Logitech Illuminated KB I've been using) and the chassis is pretty hefty and inspires confidence (well except for the glossy body which I think is going to be a dust and fingerprint magnet - they should've gone with a matted, understated feel for the normal BW and glossy for the Ultimate). I don't know if it's wrong to say this, but I bought this board to churn out papers, rather than games. I'm not a gamer (well apart from occasional rounds of Starcraft), but I've found a use for all the macro keys after all (they work just as well in MS Word).

I am thinking of getting the Filco eventually for the office (since I still need a PS/2 'board for the old piece of junk on my desk). After experiencing the BW, I think I may go for the Tenkeyless MX Brown.

Edit: By the way, for people who want to try it before buying, the packaging of the BW exposes the arrow keys for you to try out (and hear) the mechanism.

db_Iodine · « **Reply #648 on:** Sun, 14 November 2010, 04:14:53 »

Just get a microfiber cloth and clean the keyboard daily. It takes a minute to wipe the bezels so it shouldn't be too much.

bruteMax · « **Reply #649 on:** Mon, 15 November 2010, 16:21:21 »

I got both a BlackWidow (regular) and the Rosewill RK-9000 on the same day (ordering snafu, but I don't mind having 2 decent kb's).

Even though both keyboards use the same switch, the key presses on the BW feel "thunkier", having a lower pitch in the sound they make. The Rosewill feels "clackier".

The BW is 3.0lbs, while the Rosewill is 2.8lbs.

I hate the font on the BW keys. I also don't like that the F1-F4 keys are shifted a bit to the right. Seems unnecessary. I play Starcraft2 and the macro keys tend to get in the way of where my hand would like to rest, but who knows maybe these macro keys will prove to be handy whenever Diablo3 comes out.

The software that comes with the BW is decent, though for the life of me I can't get profiles to automatically switch when logging into SC2.

Other than that, both keyboards are awesome, though I'd say the BW is better value. Time will tell if build quality is in issue, but there's nothing obvious to indicate the BW is cheaply made. I'm still not sure which keyboard I'll stick with for SC2.

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Author Topic: Razer Mechanical? (Read 249987 times)