Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.

[Sniping]

Unless intel's laptop iterations are much cheaper than AMD, Tp4 can't think of a single good reason to buy any intel mobile chips.

The iGPU on AMD works so much better.

Not sure what your laptop use case is, but Macbook is an awesome product right now if you ask me. You can find an M1 Macbook Pro or M2, M3 or M4 Macbook air for around $600 or so used, and a tad more new. Fanless design is awesome for me and laptop never gets warm for normal use. I like that they hold value well too, chassis build quality and microphone quality is great.

[noisyturtle]

Took a chance and sprung for some used RAM sticks from Shenzhen, CORSAIR DOMINATOR-GT 4 x 8GB DDR3 1866
The Sabertooth Z77 is notoriously picky with the ram it likes, and 16gb is just not cutting it sadly even being oc'd to 2133

Why is DDR3 still so damn expensive though? $120 for 32gb of used ram, and that is on the cheaper side

[tp4tissue]

Not gonna lie NT, you're being stupid, LOL.  You clearly don't even understand what you're playing with and how it's affecting the system.

It's not sabertooth, all 77 and 97 barely did 4 sticks at 1600 with loose timings.   If you wanted 4 at any decent speeds, it had to be manually tuned. The auto-training would fail pretty much across all boards.

Even if you get it to post, it's probably not bench stable,  stable enough to run counterstrike, but it's randomly corrupting data.


Buying more parts to fix something  "in the wrong way"  to ultimately achieve  "Lower performance" is what your current trajectory is.

[Leslieann]

Quad sticks haven't been good for overclock for a while and the last few years haven't really been stable even at stock speeds.

[tp4tissue]

It's because of the memory traces topology of the mobo. They're daisy chained, so the signal strength gets split, hence lower sustained frequency. It wouldn't be a problem if they went quad channel.

Well, problem is cost.

It might make sense just to solder ram at this point. I have trouble seeing the benefit to more than 64gb of ram.

Solder can hit 8000 easily, whereas socketed will take much longer to hit that consistently.

By the time, someone decides they need that much, they might as well buy a new platform.



The reasoning now probably is, most applications are not memory bandwidth bottlenecked, so the expense in the area of ram isn't worth it.   



It's cheaper to put more  HBM on the cpu, than to make all new ram sockets, new topology. Soldered makes sense, but I guess they're afraid the market won't accept it.

[tp4tissue]

You guys remember how you could sit on PC cases,  Tp4 remembers.

Not today though, they're all so flimsy.  Wouldn't handle a drop from no table.

[noisyturtle]

I always heard quad lanes distribute the workload more evenly? Is that not true? How can bottlenecking the hardware to half the slot access possibly be faster?

[noisyturtle]

some copper plates for my 870 EVO's 

[tp4tissue]

Unless you take the drive apart to get a bigger piece of silicone pad on the controller on the inside, Chances are the dollop they used internally is already dried out.

Tp4 has taken several sata ssds apart.

They also usually don't even silicone the flash, only the controller to cut cost.

Check the video, samsung on the 870 evo literally don't even put silicone on it at all.  You have to take it apart and put in your own.

Without silicone, more heatsinks are worthless, it's probably worse, and runs hotter.

[tp4tissue]

In theory, you can run a whole city off 1 computer.

If there were no other computers, or any network, you don't need security/ encryption.

If it just came down to coding to the metal of a modern cpu,  without all the fluff, you can get ALOT of database throughput.

[tp4tissue]

A bit confused, 

If they're going to sell strix halo in $2000 laptops. Why would anyone buy that, when 3070ti laptops are $1000, and almost twice the gpu mem bandwidth as it doesn't share system ram.


Is it just for LLM people buying those 128gb boxes?