Electricity cars thoughts?

[tp4tissue]

The new IEA report is out, weird cheater graph they used to make us look good, /w corrections, it's not looking gud'

BUT Tp4 argues, Electric cars, might not be so great, because it's NOT ACTUALLY ELECTRIC, everything in the production infrastructure is Diesel powered, and most generation capacity are all fossil fuel powered.

[fohat.digs]

I would  LOVE  to have an electric car, but I simply don't have the money.

But I rarely drive beyond the standard range. Other things I like are the quiet, the simplicity, and the ability to use the battery when power goes out.

[tp4tissue]

Fohat spending too much money on his girlfriends.

[tp4tissue]

Important meaty stuffs. We're out of gasss, and we're out of time.

[tp4tissue]

So here is a juicy one.

EVEN WITH Infinite approval/Max exploration,  NOTICE the rapid decline in possible production. 

The area above the decline are the NEW stuff, but it's hypothetical, like Opening labubus, hypothetically, there's a rare one in there with great output, YOU DON'T KNOW, until you open the bag.   That's why Fossil Fuel companies call them "Gas PLAYS" or "Oil PLAYS",  they're rolling the dice.

So, in THEORY, energy access might be 50 million barrels/day by 2050,  But that range is pretty bad, so, it COULD well be 19 million, at which point PANDEMONIUM.   Forget Gaming PCs,  we'd be hardpressed to play tictaktoe in the dirt.

TODAY, we need 100 Million just to "GET BY".....  The way we've structured American living, suburbia, highways highways highways, LOL, it'd be unsustainable at 50Million barrel, and that's your highly unlikely BEST-CASE Roll.

Imagine rolling 30 Million barrels, The United States wouldn't be the United States, it would fracture into 3 or more Oil countries.  We will probably invade Canada before then, because otherwise, we cannot guarantee Alaska, Canada, pinched, would intercept our Pipeline. 

[Leslieann]

They stalled in the US for a bunch of reasons, government subsidies being one of them but also infrastructure.
The current admin killed incentives but also some of the infrastructure, but it's not all on them. There's another problem, the same problem starting to plague A.I. server farms, our power grid. Not just the power plants which a lot blame, but the actual grid itself. The Paradise Fire in Northern California was due to crap lines getting hot, now imagine adding a bunch of electric cars charging through them.

We have completely ignored our power grid (and other things that make modern life possible) for far too long, just adding bandages to everything, say what you want but this is just another place China is kicking our butts. They're investing in electric cars, power plants and power infrastructure as a whole and leaving us in the dust. A lot of other countries are doing the same.

[tp4tissue]

We have completely ignored our power grid (and other things that make modern life possible) for far too long, just adding bandages to everything, say what you want but this is just another place China is kicking our butts. They're investing in electric cars, power plants and power infrastructure as a whole and leaving us in the dust. A lot of other countries are doing the same.

Tp4 is not convinced M0ar machines (production/distribution lines/etc) is going to save us.

China is winning if we consider the WAR, conventionally, the guy with the bigger tank and more tank fuel wins.

HOWEVER,  There isn't infinitely m0ar Tank fuel, it's RAPIDLY declining.  So,  China with a monstrosity machine, it's well possible it will just run out of gas.

Simply pointing out that,  There is no such thing as RENEWABLE or ELECTRICAL GRID,   Anything and Everything is FOSSIL FUEL powered. So really, we don't have an electrical grid, we have a FOSSIL FUEL Derivatives Grid. 


And this is all within the bounds of, CO2, doesn't matter, which is how the current system operates,  But we know 500ppm is A THING. we have 6-10% of that-capacity left.

[tp4tissue]

There's another problem, the same problem starting to plague A.I. server farms, our power grid. Not just the power plants which a lot blame, but the actual grid itself. The Paradise Fire in Northern California was due to crap lines getting hot, now imagine adding a bunch of electric cars charging through them.

This is the thing, 

Let's compare the Data Centers to Air Purifiers.

We decided we want m0ar AI, we decided we want m0ar Clean Air,  we build Air purifiers , we build Datacenters (to Think for us).

The m0ar Air purifiers we build, the dirtier the Air gets.

The m0ar Datacenters we build, the m0ar we need AI to intelligent a solution out of Building m0ar Datacenters+Power plants which destroys the planet.

[noisyturtle]

only thing that bothers me is they are often much louder at low speeds due to the speaker noise they make.
my neighbor wakes me up every morning pulling his Rivian out of the parking lot, but gas vehicles never do. The whirring chime is SO LOUD.

[fohat.digs]

We have completely ignored our power grid (and other things that make modern life possible) for far too long

Republicans  HATE  investing money in things that are important.

[Sniping]

one interesting reason that makes EVs popular in california is one that a lot of people overlook - tech workers can have free or subsidized charging perks at work places. I understand that some people even drive into their work on weekends just to get some free charging. even for other folks, there's places where you can get some free charging if you know where to look, though that's not exclusive to california. it's pretty nice to get some free fuel just for walking around the mall, so I imagine that's part of the benefits for some people. I don't have an EV myself because they depreciate pretty hard and I question the useable lifespan of the batteries. I think buying a 3-5 year old used EV is a decently smart choice financially, but there's an equation here that also depends on how much you drive and some other factors.

[tp4tissue]

None of us should have cars. We should all live in cubicles and then just turn on a pc for wurk.

[noisyturtle]

I do think Tesla self-driving assist is straight up dangerous. No car can properly predict and act accordingly with cameras alone, it simply is not possible. The vehicle must see beyond the scope of human vision. That is the only way it can be safe.

[fohat.digs]

Tesla self-driving assist is straight up dangerous.

Now that the Muskrat has penetrated and downloaded the entirety of the Federal Government, he can shield himself from lawsuits.

In a sane country a sizable number of serious lawsuits would make a manufacturer afraid to sell a bad product.

[Findecanor]

I do think Tesla self-driving assist is straight up dangerous.

There have been reports of Teslas in driving-assist having weird behaviour, swerving out into traffic, across double lines, into things beside the road etc.
I'm never getting into a Tesla. Whenever I book a taxi, I explicitly request "Not a Tesla".

No car can properly predict and act accordingly with cameras alone, it simply is not possible.

[Leslieann]

only thing that bothers me is they are often much louder at low speeds due to the speaker noise they make.
my neighbor wakes me up every morning pulling his Rivian out of the parking lot, but gas vehicles never do. The whirring chime is SO LOUD.

Heh, have you seen the/heard the electric Dodge Challenger? It has a 120db speaker to simulate the sound of a gas powered Hellcat. Unfortunately it's not a joke, someone already got a noise violation ticket while driving one.

Worse, even if you legislate it (it's technically not legal anyhow), they will never get them all in a recall and the genie is out of the bag and the idiots will replicate it and even amplify it more (which is relatively simple).

[Leslieann]

I don't have an EV myself because they depreciate pretty hard and I question the useable lifespan of the batteries. I think buying a 3-5 year old used EV is a decently smart choice financially, but there's an equation here that also depends on how much you drive and some other factors.

They depreciate over battery fears and in Teslas and Nissan's case, poor build quality.
Newer batteries have a longer lifespan, over 10 years is expected now, but they still rapidly depreciate because battery technology marches on. If Mercedes and Toyata can get them out on time older EVs are toast in about 2-3 years due to incoming battery tech. The same applies to hybrids, in fact it's even worse for them, new car build quality for all manufacturers is terrible right now and a hybrid has even more components and then you still have the same battery depreciation and fears of being outdated. It was part of why I bought a non-hybrid Toyota last time I bought. The car will effectively get the same range as it did at 3 years as it will at 20.

If you want an EV, buy it same as a used gas powered car, 1-2 years old if you can, it will give you the best deal and lifespan. I'd honestly steer clear of a hybrid, and if you really want something that will last, get something pre-covid (though this violates the 1-2 year rule). Everything made since has been lower quality. And if you REALLY want something likely to last, get something pre 2009-2010. That was when it was mandated all care get blackboxes and certain manufacturers started adding DRM to parts (for example FORD codes the ABS units to the ECU) making some parts near impossible to replace as the car ages, note that not all companies do this (Toyota does not to my knowledge). However you also need to avoid Toyotas around this era as they were experimenting with low tension oil rings and the engines have serious problems. Yes, older cars will have more issues as they age, but you can still fix them and people always find ways to keep old cars running and the less tech the better in this case.

[tp4tissue]

China will probably achieve full self driving because their government can approve and produce the Digital markers for all roads.

In the US, it's a bit harder, if at all possible without the markers.


In any case, m0ar CARS is not the way to go. 

[noisyturtle]

only thing that bothers me is they are often much louder at low speeds due to the speaker noise they make.
my neighbor wakes me up every morning pulling his Rivian out of the parking lot, but gas vehicles never do. The whirring chime is SO LOUD.

Heh, have you seen the/heard the electric Dodge Challenger? It has a 120db speaker to simulate the sound of a gas powered Hellcat. Unfortunately it's not a joke, someone already got a noise violation ticket while driving one.

Worse, even if you legislate it (it's technically not legal anyhow), they will never get them all in a recall and the genie is out of the bag and the idiots will replicate it and even amplify it more (which is relatively simple).

Oh yeah Hellcats attract a specific sort of individual, and they have a rep.
There's a lengthy court/city battle that was going on with a dude people called the Bellevue Hellcat. Cool nickname, but he turned out to be a real piece of ****, just like every Hellcat owner.

[noisyturtle]

In any case, m0ar CARS is not the way to go. 

Simple solution: Buy more scooters!

[Findecanor]

Tesla’s “Mad Max” mode is now under federal scrutiny
"The new mode added in the latest update will speed and weave through traffic."
 (Ars Technica)

[tp4tissue]

Tesla’s “Mad Max” mode is now under federal scrutiny
"The new mode added in the latest update will speed and weave through traffic."
 (Ars Technica)

This is ridiculous.  It's not so much that we're worried about the AI screwing up, although it can,  We're worried about how the flux of added lane changes would affect OTHER drivers.

Human beings are really really bad drivers. The highway is ridiculously dangerous.