Author Topic: Phantom Custom Keyboard Group Buy (CLOSED) (Read 391093 times)

bpiphany · « **Reply #1200 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 14:32:10 »

Cherry MX switches are rated for 10mA only, not saying you necessarily need more than that to get the desired effect.

Also, there is a ton of space on a double sided keyboard PCB. Space shouldn't be a big problem. Designing below the <500mA USB limit, and adding the extra components needed to handle the power, multiplexing/demultiplexing and so on is more interesting. Far from "hard" though I think =)

7bit · « **Reply #1201 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 14:33:19 »

Quote from: hazeluff;503298

I will enjoy the discussion there. = ) Cos for Phantom v2 I would love to see some awesome LED features ; p

Omg Shipping to EU is 22. For once something cheaper for us EU people ><

How much would shipping within UK?

I could ship a big box to you and you forward them to the others.

bpiphany · « **Reply #1202 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 14:35:17 »

Quote from: kps;503314

Quote from: mkawa;503283
you don't need a controller to do this. all you need is to wire the switches so that closing them triggers current through the diode
You need to ensure that the diode voltage drop is not so high that it prevents the keypress being recognized. Red LEDs might work; others probably won't.

Cherry MX switches are rated for 10mA only, not saying you necessarily need more than that to get the desired effect.

Also, there is a ton of space on a double sided keyboard PCB. Space shouldn't be a big problem. Designing below the <500mA USB limit, and adding the extra components needed to handle the power, multiplexing/demultiplexing and so on is more interesting. Far from "hard" though I think =)

hazeluff · « **Reply #1203 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 15:25:28 »

Quote from: 7bit;503425

How much would shipping within UK?

I could ship a big box to you and you forward them to the others.

I'm not sure, depends on the weight. But UK have a decent post (Royal Mail).

A Standard Parcel (Larger than 353mm X 250mm X 25mm) is 4.41GBP Up to 2kg.

Depending on when this happens and how many I could offer to redistribute. (I reject anything past the april/may ish time (exams).

tsangan · « **Reply #1204 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 15:27:41 »

Quote from: 7bit;503397

I might get boxes from Ascaii (the ones from the scary cellar). Also, I've got some boxes myself, so I don't think I need to buy anything.

Get some of the ones webwit has so we can store the keyboard in it after it's done

mkawa · « **Reply #1205 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 15:51:23 »

well, go ahead and tally it up, but i suspect it will cost much less per US order to ship (one big box to Bini from EU / # US orders + USPS prio postage)

but, if the switches are coming from EU, i would like to know how many switches i need to order for it to make sense to order via the gb and not just to wait and order on-demand from mouser.

litster · « **Reply #1206 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 16:09:26 »

I will check with BiNiaRiS to see how much lower shipping it could be. If you are in the US, switches will be bulk-ordered in EU, then once 7bit receives the switches, he will count and ship all the switches that BiNiaRiS needs to ship out to him in the US. If you order switches with a kit then the same shipping cost will be for shipping all items together. If you are only ordering switches and nothing else, then we should be able to use cheaper shipping for just a 100 or so switches.

mkawa · « **Reply #1207 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 16:20:34 »

well, if the switch costs + shipping end up coming out to something near mouser's prices, i'd rather wait for a US switch gb from mouser and get more (and only) boards and plates now, since they're the most scarce resource.

litster · « **Reply #1208 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 16:28:35 »

I am also checking to see if WASDkeyboards has better pricing. We need to close the group buy first, get the final number of switches we need, and price them between our source (not mouser) and WASDkeyboards. The end result will not be much difference anyway whether we buy in EU and ship to the US or vice versa because we will pack everything and make one shipment. If you order them separately you might end up paying more in the end because you will be paying shipping for 2 orders. And I don't know if you will get another switch group buy in the US. Once everyone has ordered switches in this group buy, it will be quite a while before the is enough demand to run another switch group buy. Even if there will be one, it will probably not going to order as many switches as we are now, so it will have lower buying power for lower prices.

mkawa · « **Reply #1209 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 16:32:45 »

ok. i'm happy to buy switches via this group buy, just running numbers and weighing against the amount of cash i have available for this project right now (i expect my own custom case efforts are going to cost a pretty big chunk of my budget as well..)

7bit · « **Reply #1210 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 17:11:01 »

Quote from: tsangan;503474

Get some of the ones webwit has so we can store the keyboard in it after it's done

And where did you put his keyboards? Does he know what you did?

7bit · « **Reply #1211 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 17:12:40 »

Quote from: mkawa;503499

well, go ahead and tally it up, but i suspect it will cost much less per US order to ship (one big box to Bini from EU / # US orders + USPS prio postage)

but, if the switches are coming from EU, i would like to know how many switches i need to order for it to make sense to order via the gb and not just to wait and order on-demand from mouser.

Prices are including shipping to me and US.

tsangan · « **Reply #1212 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 17:30:29 »

Quote from: 7bit;503569

And where did you put his keyboards? Does he know what you did?

What are you talking about 7bit :crazy:

I was referring to these boxes

7bit · « **Reply #1213 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 17:36:03 »

Quote from: tsangan;503583

What are you talking about 7bit :crazy:

I was referring to these boxes
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But we can't use webwit's boxes!!!

tsangan · « **Reply #1214 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 17:43:47 »

:pout:

Tranquilite · « **Reply #1215 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 18:13:02 »

Are the MX switches the only parts originating in the EU? If so, I might just drop the two switches in my order to save on shipping...

mkawa · « **Reply #1216 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 19:32:44 »

holy crap that's a lot of keyboards

demik · « **Reply #1217 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 19:36:12 »

okay i PMed phantom with my address info and all that.. was i suppose to get an email confirming?

also, im not sure what switch i want. i really want one with green switches but im afraid i'll get finger fatigue due to the stiffness so maybe ill stay with blues.

ah, first world problems

litster · « **Reply #1218 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 19:41:21 »

I think 7bit only runs his scripts once in a while. He should be sending a final invoice soon, either before or after we close the group buy. Thanks.

digitalleftovers · « **Reply #1219 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 19:49:24 »

Quote from: demik;503701

okay i PMed phantom with my address info and all that.. was i suppose to get an email confirming?

also, im not sure what switch i want. i really want one with green switches but im afraid i'll get finger fatigue due to the stiffness so maybe ill stay with blues.

ah, first world problems

I stuck a black spring in a blue yesterday to try it out. Its certainly different. Its harder to get through the click than on a blue and once you do, you fall into that infinity feeling that blacks have. Not sure how a real green will be, but I'm willing to take the plunge. Its partially for novelty and partially to get the feeling of a clicky alps with the freedom of key choice that cherry stems give you.

Has anyone even seen a recent blue switch board with a green spacebar switch? Even my brown filco (from 2010) doesn't have a clear under the spacebar.

mkawa · « **Reply #1220 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 19:58:35 »

my poker blue has a green under the spacebar. feels pretty darn good to me

demik · « **Reply #1221 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 19:58:40 »

i tried a real green and i absolutely loved it.

but the problem is, one key doesn't really give you a feel compared to a whole board.

dorkvader · « **Reply #1222 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 21:09:45 »

Quote from: kps;503314

You need to ensure that the diode voltage drop is not so high that it prevents the keypress being recognized. Red LEDs might work; others probably won't.

Or just add MOAR voltage and input protection on all the pins.

F u r u y á · « **Reply #1223 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 21:10:00 »

Quote from: PrinsValium;503427

Cherry MX switches are rated for 10mA only, not saying you necessarily need more than that to get the desired effect.

Also, there is a ton of space on a double sided keyboard PCB. Space shouldn't be a big problem. Designing below the <500mA USB limit, and adding the extra components needed to handle the power, multiplexing/demultiplexing and so on is more interesting. Far from "hard" though I think =)

Designing it to be under 500mA would be the elegant solution, but I wouldn't mind if an extra USB was used to power those things.

dorkvader · « **Reply #1224 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 21:22:47 »

Quote from: F u r u y á;503803

Designing it to be under 500mA would be the elegant solution, but I wouldn't mind if an extra USB was used to power those things.

You will likely have to put it on a different hub completely, like on the other side of the computer. If you're going that far, why not just plug it into the wall?

F u r u y á · « **Reply #1225 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 21:26:19 »

Quote from: dorkvader;503818

You will likely have to put it on a different hub completely, like on the other side of the computer. If you're going that far, why not just plug it into the wall?

What do you mean by a different HUB? Isn't it enough just plugging it in a different port (different rail)?

hashbaz · « **Reply #1226 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 22:52:45 »

Ok my order is in. Extrapolating from the OP, I ordered PHANSIREDKIT. That should work, right? Does the kit come with diodes, or do I need to order those separately?

tsangan · « **Reply #1227 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 23:06:02 »

This is closing on 31st night right? I need to revise my order yet again :E

litster · « **Reply #1228 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 23:34:14 »

Quote from: hashbaz;503903

Ok my order is in. Extrapolating from the OP, I ordered PHANSIREDKIT. That should work, right? Does the kit come with diodes, or do I need to order those separately?

Yep, you are good. switches, LEDs, LED spacers, resistors, diodes, plate, PCB, Teensy, and Teensy legs are included.

Quote from: tsangan;503914

This is closing on 31st night right? I need to revise my order yet again :E

Don't worry, we will close before your make your final change. Just kidding!

litster · « **Reply #1229 on:** Mon, 30 January 2012, 23:36:44 »

Quote from: RiGS;501418

It's helpful picture as I can clearly see those small cut-out gaps on the plate around the switches. It is especially visible on the right side of the Esc switch. Could you make a closer picture of that area?

Sorry for the delay. Partly I was waiting for my new ballhead to come in today so I could use it to take the pictures. They are now posted in the mod section here:

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:26742&p=503932&viewfull=1#post503932

RiGS · « **Reply #1230 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 03:39:31 »

Thanks. I made a comment on it.

biolaser · « **Reply #1231 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 04:46:43 »

This is just too good to pass. Order submitted: I'm all in! (2x 7bit and a ridiculous number of switches because I want ALL spring/stem combos. People think I'm insane but that's ok.)

hazeluff · « **Reply #1232 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 05:17:17 »

Quote from: biolaser;504066

This is just too good to pass. Order submitted: I'm all in! (2x 7bit and a ridiculous number of switches because I want ALL spring/stem combos. People think I'm insane but that's ok.)

Welcome to Geekhack. I see you've become friends with good old keyboard-addiction.

7bit · « **Reply #1233 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 06:14:01 »

Quote from: litster;503711

I think 7bit only runs his scripts once in a while. He should be sending a final invoice soon, either before or after we close the group buy. Thanks.

I thought it would be best to send them after the closing date, which is today anyway.

I've added support for PayPal fees and inclusion of shipping addresses.

I will get through all this once I'm back home and send the invoices.

EU members can pay in EUR, I just have to figure out a way to properly convert $ to EUR so you don't pay too much or too few.

I will do this based on shipping addresses.

7bit · « **Reply #1234 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 06:19:28 »

Quote from: hashbaz;503903

Ok my order is in. Extrapolating from the OP, I ordered PHANSIREDKIT. That should work, right? Does the kit come with diodes, or do I need to order those separately?

Kits are complete with 100 switches and 100 diodes.
If you want additional switches or diodes, just add them separately.
Example:
PHANSIREDKIT
MXRED 5
DIODE 5

gives 105 switches / diodes.

Autolyze · « **Reply #1235 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 06:30:06 »

How many extra switches make sense? I currently have 105 switches in my order for the 101-key 7bit layout, but if there are 100 switches included in those ANSI kits, perhaps I should get another couple spares...

dorkvader · « **Reply #1236 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 08:52:30 »

Quote from: F u r u y á;503822

What do you mean by a different HUB? Isn't it enough just plugging it in a different port (different rail)?

sometimes each USB port will be able to deliver the requisite 500 mA, but sometimes, a pair of them will share that. (I know this is true on the fujitsu lifebook T730 and T731 rear panel USB ports).

Ofcourse just as frequently, manufacturers will ignore the spec and make the port deliver whatever-the-heck they want. This helps with spinning up portable HDD's.
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Autolyze: I just increased mine to 110. I'll probably turn the excess into keychains.

hashbaz · « **Reply #1237 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 12:25:28 »

My confirmation email says that the extra 7bit plate I ordered is only $15. Is that right? If so I'm adding a PHANSIWIN...

maoiste · « **Reply #1238 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 12:31:01 »

I think i messed up my order, when i tried to clearall and redo it with the missing item :/

fruktstund · « **Reply #1239 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 12:51:27 »

I agree with biolaser, this really is just too good to pass!

I liked the idea of a "keyboard for men", with only grey switches, and seeing this might be my only chance to lay my hands upon such switches, I couldn't help but order enough for a tenkeyless board. \o/

7bit · « **Reply #1240 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:14:08 »

Quote from: fruktstund;504359

I agree with biolaser, this really is just too good to pass!

I liked the idea of a "keyboard for men", with only grey switches, and seeing this might be my only chance to lay my hands upon such switches, I couldn't help but order enough for a tenkeyless board. \o/

They are even cheaper now. A few more orders and they cost the same as red, blue, brown or clear switches!

Zehkul · « **Reply #1241 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:14:10 »

Will the price for greys go down? I hope so...

/edit: Ah, nice, I hope my 95 switches did something towards it

7bit · « **Reply #1242 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:16:19 »

Code: [Select]

PHANTOM.........78

TEENSY..........83

PH7BIT..........16
PHANSI..........29
PHANSIWIN.......18
PHISO............7
PHISOWIN.........7

DIODE.........7651

MXBLACK........430
MXBLUE.........907
MXBROWN.......2051
MXCLEAR.......3979
MXDARKGREY......21
MXGREEN........579
MXGREY.........721
MXRED.........3751

STAB200........219
STAB625.........24
STAB700.........39

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tsangan · « **Reply #1243 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:17:18 »

ANSI > 7bit :whoo:

Zehkul · « **Reply #1244 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:19:55 »

Shouldn't green ones be cheaper then, too?

hazeluff · « **Reply #1245 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:19:58 »

Quote from: tsangan;504404

ANSI > 7bit :whoo:

Cept I converted you to the ANSI7BIT layout? = 3

7bit · « **Reply #1246 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:21:02 »

Quote from: tsangan;504404

ANSI > 7bit :whoo:

ANSI > 7BIT > ISO
47 > 16 > 14

:-)

ps: Please order the phantom keys via Round 4!!!!

Order IDs are the same:
PHANTOMFUN (Escape key)
PHANTOMMOD100
PHANTOMMOD125
PHANTOMMOD150

7bit · « **Reply #1247 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:24:36 »

Quote from: Zehkul;504412

Shouldn't green ones be cheaper then, too?

No, too few orders for them.

alaricljs · « **Reply #1248 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:25:42 »

Do we have an estimated US shipping for JUST a package of ~100 switches? $25 for shipping switches to the US brings the price up to Mouser levels. WASD is even cheaper... erk.

That is assuming that your last posted .60 per brown switch is still holding.

7bit · « **Reply #1249 on:** Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:31:39 »

Quote from: alaricljs;504423

Do we have an estimated US shipping for JUST a package of ~100 switches? $25 for shipping switches to the US brings the price up to Mouser levels. WASD is even cheaper... erk.

That is assuming that your last posted .60 per brown switch is still holding.

It is now $17.5 .

I'm not sure about prices for just switches.

I've got 2051 brown switches in the list, so if the $-€-relation does not change it will stay at $0.6 per switch including shipping costs to the distributor.

If 100 switches are less than 1kg including package, I could send them uninsured for $9.

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Author Topic: Phantom Custom Keyboard Group Buy (CLOSED) (Read 391093 times)