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Offline Pretendo

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New Thinkpad Chicklet Key Thread
« on: Mon, 17 September 2012, 17:00:35 »
Have em on my new T430.  I have to say, as far as chicklet keys go, they're probably the best I've used.  I have compared them firsthand to the keys on the Macbook Air, and they have much more travel and tactility.  They give you a nice little "thock" with every key press, though not in the ballpark of Cherry Blues or the Model Ms of old.

Compared to the traditional Thinkpad keyboards, the feel is almost the same.  A little slipperier, because of the method used to create backlit keys.  I hear that the non-backlit version has a more textured feel.  Backlit keys also look nice and work well, while still retaining the thinklight for reading documents along the side of the computer. The redundancy could potentially mean that they'll do away with thinklight within a few models, unfortunately.  Trackpoint is the same as ever.  You either love it or hate it.

As for the layout change, it's a mixed bag for me.  I'm particularly unhappy with the ctrl key being swapped with the fn key (you can change functionality in BIOS, but not the legends,) and no more fn key combo to disable the trackpad.  The delete key is a little too alienated, meaning that you may have to pick up your hands to get at it.  The placement of the printscreen key, between right ctrl and right alt has been useful, as I never used the menu key it replaced anyhow.  The forward and back browser buttons above the arrow keys were changed to page up / down, but I prefer this, as it lessens the irritation of accidentally pressing the wrong button.  You've always got the trusty backspace and shift+backspace duo.  I also applaud them for finally getting the cohones to remove sysrq.  Was that key ever used for anything??

All in all, I don't think the new board is a deal breaker.  What was lost in layout was made up for in key feel and the option for backlit keys.  The new layout isn't particularly terrible either.  Any opinions from other owners?
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Re: New Thinkpad Chicklet Key Thread
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 17 September 2012, 18:12:32 »
Have em on my new T430.  I have to say, as far as chicklet keys go, they're probably the best I've used.  I have compared them firsthand to the keys on the Macbook Air, and they have much more travel and tactility.  They give you a nice little "thock" with every key press, though not in the ballpark of Cherry Blues or the Model Ms of old.

Compared to the traditional Thinkpad keyboards, the feel is almost the same.  A little slipperier, because of the method used to create backlit keys.  I hear that the non-backlit version has a more textured feel.  Backlit keys also look nice and work well, while still retaining the thinklight for reading documents along the side of the computer. The redundancy could potentially mean that they'll do away with thinklight within a few models, unfortunately.  Trackpoint is the same as ever.  You either love it or hate it.

As for the layout change, it's a mixed bag for me.  I'm particularly unhappy with the ctrl key being swapped with the fn key (you can change functionality in BIOS, but not the legends,) and no more fn key combo to disable the trackpad.  The delete key is a little too alienated, meaning that you may have to pick up your hands to get at it.  The placement of the printscreen key, between right ctrl and right alt has been useful, as I never used the menu key it replaced anyhow.  The forward and back browser buttons above the arrow keys were changed to page up / down, but I prefer this, as it lessens the irritation of accidentally pressing the wrong button.  You've always got the trusty backspace and shift+backspace duo.  I also applaud them for finally getting the cohones to remove sysrq.  Was that key ever used for anything??

All in all, I don't think the new board is a deal breaker.  What was lost in layout was made up for in key feel and the option for backlit keys.  The new layout isn't particularly terrible either.  Any opinions from other owners?

They're pretty good "fresh"

But they wear out just as quickly as all other dome boards.

Been using my x120e for a year now. They aren't nearly as clicky\\ tactile anymore.

They want 50 bux for a replacement keyboard, gtfo.. hells no. and I don't even think it's official ibm part, it's 3rd party.

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Re: New Thinkpad Chicklet Key Thread
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 18 September 2012, 03:40:52 »
Aren't the CTRL and Fn keys both the same size? I'm pretty sure you can swap them if you're careful.

I'll check the next time we get a broken X230 in (We probably have several: They fail constantly, even after lenovo recalled and replaced the several hundred that were sold here.)

I don't have a thinkpad (For obvious reasons, see parenthetical expression, above) but my preferred way is to have CTRL be on the end, and Fn be closer to spacebar. Is this the case with the new one?
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Re: New Thinkpad Chicklet Key Thread
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Re: New Thinkpad Chicklet Key Thread
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 18 September 2012, 11:17:08 »
I don't know about SysRq, but I use Print Screen pretty heavily. What I don't use is Scroll Lock

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Re: New Thinkpad Chicklet Key Thread
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 18 September 2012, 13:39:34 »
I don't know about SysRq, but I use Print Screen pretty heavily. What I don't use is Scroll Lock
useful when all those messages in gey (or white) text on black go past to quickly.

That said, there's no reason to have these on their owm key. Having them on the function layer is a much better option. I use the "paste" key and the volume control keys on my g80-8113 a LOT more than printscreen, etc.

B'sides, you can get apps that printscreen by pressing other keys (like F12, or shift+F12, etc.)

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Re: New Thinkpad Chicklet Key Thread
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 18 September 2012, 15:43:51 »
I like that the Thinpad keys are slightly curved, but I think that they wobble too much and that wobble nullifies the benefit that the curve gives. If they would rotate the scissors in the switches 90° then the key feel would be more sharp.
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Re: New Thinkpad Chicklet Key Thread
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 18 September 2012, 15:54:02 »
Aren't the CTRL and Fn keys both the same size? I'm pretty sure you can swap them if you're careful.

I'll check the next time we get a broken X230 in (We probably have several: They fail constantly, even after lenovo recalled and replaced the several hundred that were sold here.)

I don't have a thinkpad (For obvious reasons, see parenthetical expression, above) but my preferred way is to have CTRL be on the end, and Fn be closer to spacebar. Is this the case with the new one?
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TP4: It's probably actually an IBM keyboard, but from a third-party parts vendor. IBM and Lenovo charge really stupid prices for replacement parts. I believe a fan and heatsink (They are not separable) in an X220 is $100 or $150. Keyboards were usually $100 or more from Lenovo.

Ctrl key is slightly larger, unfortunately.  The right ctrl is the same size as the fn key, but that doesn't really help.  I do have it switched in BIOS so that ctrl is on the end anyway; the labeling is just a minor annoyance.

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SysRq is quite useful in case of kernel panic.

I think sysrq can still be used with some fn key combo (don't really know how I would test that, as the key does nothing.) If for SOME reason a program made use of it, functionality wouldn't technically be broken.  I do know that fn+k = scroll lock, as an on screen message pops up for the combo.  Lenovo's site has more info on this.

It's going to be a bummer when this keyboard wears out, mostly because it will mean going back to not having a trackpoint.  I suppose that I'll eventually have to hunt down an old M13.  tp4tissue, since you've had this keyboard for a longer while, could you tell me how the legends on the backlit keys are holding up?

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