Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 26 innocent dead, 20 children

[demik]

the same news that blamed another person first?

oh, okay.

also, being on meds doesnt mean he had taken them that day.

so please stop with the conspiracy crap, that's kl's job.

[tp4tissue]

It's not a conspiracy, it's market driven.. Have you looked at the books of these drug companies, and their hot sellers? 

[keyboardlover]

Most of the things people call "conspiracy theory" these days have been so proven to be true with fact it's not even theory anymore. People don't read anymore though, and they believe the media.

[TheQsanity]

the same news that blamed another person first?

oh, okay.

also, being on meds doesnt mean he had taken them that day.

so please stop with the conspiracy crap, that's kl's job.

Okay, he was on meds. Did it say medication was the direct cause? Was he medicated the day, week, month, year of the shooting? Was he taking them as prescribed? Did it say medication was the main/sole reason? Sigh, lets not jump to conclusions.

[demik]

jump to conclusions



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[tjcaustin]

But that's what we must do in a 24/7 spin cycle!!

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

But that's what we must do in a 24/7 spin cycle!!

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^Office Space, yes!

Anyways, just listened to the President's speech.  I never was an Obama supporter, but this speech completely changed my outlook.  Much respect goes out to the President for taking the time to be there tonight with all the people of Newtown.

[SmallFry]

I agree, always a good speech giver, but that was very nice of him.

[demik]

But that's what we must do in a 24/7 spin cycle!!

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^Office Space, yes!

Anyways, just listened to the President's speech.  I never was an Obama supporter, but this speech completely changed my outlook.  Much respect goes out to the President for taking the time to be there tonight with all the people of Newtown.

inb4 "he's lying. he's back at the white house laughing like a maniac at dead babies and taking away your rights and turning the US into a socialist country!"

[TheQsanity]

I respect our presidents very much. Just seeing how much any president ages in four years shows you how much more stress they have to deal with every day.

[keyboardlover]

Well, he DOES order the drone bombings of entire families and schools of children.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/?2
All those murders MUST be stressful.

There is some strange info starting to come out about this shooting as well as the Colorado shooting. Please let me know if you folks find anything worth sharing. I don't consider myself a "conspiracy theorist" but I also believe that the mainstream media is not one to give us the full story - especially since they're all owned by corporations. Here's what I've read:

- Supposedly the fathers of both shootings were set to testify on major banking scandals before the shootings happened

- There are reports that there may have been a second shooter in the Sandy Hook incident

- The Colorado shooter (not going to give his name) is apparently on suicide watch and a fellow inmate has told people he believes he was brainwashed by his therapist and felt like he was in a "video game"

- Sandy Hook, oddly enough, is the area where Suzanne Collins, writer of "The Hunger Games" lives

- There are conflicting reports about Sandy Hook, especially regarding which actual weapons were used

- There are reports that some children have been held by police and their parents are unable to communicate with them

Like I said, I'm NOT into conspiracy theories but I don't think we're getting all the info here. Please let me know if any of you find anything worth sharing.

[demik]

look out for my FS thread soon, item of the week will be tin foil hats.

[keyboardlover]

Pardon me for believing in the worth of free thinking and that everyone should have the full information on tragedies that happen on the world. My bad, dude. Didn't realized that offended you so much.

[demik]

do you mind posting your sources of these "supposedly" points?


also, what does the hunger games have to do with this (i know nothing of the book).

and lets try posting sites that don't have a bias, since you hate that so much.

[quadibloc]

Some of you may argue "we want an explanation" when the truth is its none of your ****ing business. Unless your family or friends of the victims, you're not owed an explanation of any kind.

No, because I could be the next victim. I demand an explanation for how this happened, because I consider it to be negligence on the part of the government that things like this do happen.

Really, though, people who are so crazy that they can't be trusted with a gun ought to be locked up rather than restricting everyone else's rights.

[TheQsanity]

Last part of that. Doesn't that happen all the time? They don't want people to influence the kids. I heard of corrupt investors before but I would think anyone in law enforcement would do the right thing.

About Obama. I am sure our president, the one who represents us as a nation, does the right thing as a human and a public leader. Our nation was build on liberty and there are always people that want to take it away. Without the moral sacrifices our government has made, who knows were we would be today.

[TheQsanity]

Pardon me for believing in the worth of free thinking and that everyone should have the full information on tragedies that happen on the world. My bad, dude. Didn't realized that offended you so much.

People should have truthful informations when desired but should also be considerate of the people that you may affect from knowing, searching, or spreading such knowledge. This type of tragedy has happened more than once before and I believe I have as much information on this subject as I would desire to know. This truly has nothing to do with me at all, so why would I go out of my way as if it would directly affect me somehow? I am assuming you all are males, but I may be wrong. I guess it is not in my nature to ask more than I need to know.

[keyboardlover]

About Obama. I am sure our president, the one who represents us as a nation, does the right thing as a human and a public leader. Our nation was build on liberty and there are always people that want to take it away. Without the moral sacrifices our government has made, who knows were we would be today.

No offense, but that is basically the attitude of a sheep. The guy is a liar, thief and murderer. People deify him because statism is the most dangerous religion in the world. He goes on tv and pretends to cry about these kids while killing hundreds of children in the middle east. I'm sorry but people need to wake up and realize that we are not getting the full story, from a media which is very well controlled. People need to realize that the concept of citizens not owning weapons is CENTRAL to government power and influence. The ability of people to own guns represents a loss of control from the state, which essentially only wants to have as much control as possible.

I mean, am I the ONLY one around here who thinks all these mass killings recently around the time of Obama's re-election seems a REALLY strange coincidence?

Make of this what you will.

These are all the guns which media reports are saying were used in the killings. Several of them are Class 3 which requires a $200 tax charge per weapon and lots of paperwork which is filed with the BATF. Are we supposed to believe this guy's mother or grandmother or whatever owned Class 3 machine guns and what looks like at least one short barrel rifle? There is no way one shooter could have killed that many kids with just a few semi-auto weapons, nor that one shooter could have used ALL these weapons in the massacre.



They want to ban civilian guns for a reason - just keep that in mind.

Edit: checked CT laws today which I already knew were some of the stricter ones in the country. Looks like Class 3 weapons are BANNED, unless they were bought prior to 1993.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Connecticut

[MissMurd3r84]

But that's what we must do in a 24/7 spin cycle!!

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Why did someone write "loose" instead of lose :(

[tp4tissue]

Well, he DOES order the drone bombings of entire families and schools of children.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/?2
All those murders MUST be stressful.

There is some strange info starting to come out about this shooting as well as the Colorado shooting. Please let me know if you folks find anything worth sharing. I don't consider myself a "conspiracy theorist" but I also believe that the mainstream media is not one to give us the full story - especially since they're all owned by corporations. Here's what I've read:

- Supposedly the fathers of both shootings were set to testify on major banking scandals before the shootings happened

- There are reports that there may have been a second shooter in the Sandy Hook incident

- The Colorado shooter (not going to give his name) is apparently on suicide watch and a fellow inmate has told people he believes he was brainwashed by his therapist and felt like he was in a "video game"

- Sandy Hook, oddly enough, is the area where Suzanne Collins, writer of "The Hunger Games" lives

- There are conflicting reports about Sandy Hook, especially regarding which actual weapons were used

- There are reports that some children have been held by police and their parents are unable to communicate with them

Like I said, I'm NOT into conspiracy theories but I don't think we're getting all the info here. Please let me know if any of you find anything worth sharing.

Well... If we weave ALL of those points together... we get...

Father ploted for a family oriented distraction so he will not have to testify, because he was one of the beneficiary of the said scandal.

The mother tries to prevent this event from occuring, but the push from the Father/Older brother side was too strong, and then ADAM caved to the pressure from that end.

The tension between Adam and Mother ended in Matricide.

The alleged medication "anti-psychotics" could've been the extra heading needed to get Adam over the edge.

Both the Brother and Father was involved, along with another friend potentially USED AS a surrogate instigator.

Adam might've been an avid fiction reader, thus having read "hunger games" combined with the meds, might've lost touch with reality and began his foray into murder.

All of the characters in the Hunger games that were "to be competing" were kids.. So Adam having only had a middle school education, would naturally gravitate towards his "Past recollection of children groups"... The very same group that had frustrated him while he was a part of.


Ah it all makes sense now.. Thankyou Keyboard lover.

Next time you see the quiet kid with a fiction book about killing other kids, make sure to disarm that bomb.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

But that's what we must do in a 24/7 spin cycle!!

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Why did someone write "loose" instead of lose :(

It's a prototype.

[Lanx]

movie/manga buffs will agree that hunger games is just a rip off of the japanese manga from 99 battle royale

no different than gene simmon's kid (cuz no one knows his name) copying bleach

http://bleachness.livejournal.com/446299.html

the thing is, these ppl are stupid enough to copy popular manga, at least copy/plagarise lesser known manga. But that sandy hook did it right tho, all she did was copy the main idea, plot, love story, and just made it a bit more vast, and made bank off of it.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

Just wondering... how did this thread go from discussing a horrible tragedy to discussing conspiracy theories?  I mean, I know this is in the "off topic" subforum and all, but I didn't quite expect this...

[keyboardlover]

For the same reason that it went to discussing politics: because it's a political issue.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

For the same reason that it went to discussing politics: because it's a political issue.

Good point...

Carry on.

[TheQsanity]

About Obama. I am sure our president, the one who represents us as a nation, does the right thing as a human and a public leader. Our nation was build on liberty and there are always people that want to take it away. Without moral sacrifices our government has made, who knows were we would be today.

No offense, but that is basically the attitude of a sheep. The guy is a liar, thief and murderer. People deify him because statism is the most dangerous religion in the world. He goes on tv and pretends to cry about these kids while killing hundreds of children in the middle east. I'm sorry but people need to wake up and realize that we are not getting the full story, from a media which is very well controlled. People need to realize that the concept of citizens not owning weapons is CENTRAL to government power and influence. The ability of people to own guns represents a loss of control from the state, which essentially only wants to have as much control as possible.

[/quote]

What politician isnt a liar and a theif. Then again what human isnt a liar or a theif. If I wanted to be a politician I would, but I don't like politics. When the "truth" comes out then that is when it will happen. I understand people are bad abd also good. Form that understanding I will not go out of my way to judge other people. I accept people for being bad or good. Our country was built on certain principles and it should be kept as such. As time goes on some things become less relevant and will need reform but no one garrentees it will be better or worse. I support the right to own a gun but what if you ponder about that right? There is nothing wrong with that because when something is questioned, the truth becomes stronger. Some things were set before we were here but as time goes by we will "forget" or never learn or understand why certain things came to be. Some people can be told certain things others have to experiance it. Politics never gets anywhere. As the saying goes,"if you want to lose a friend, talk about politics."

Worse comes to wrose, who said we couldn't move out if ee didn't like our country?

[keyboardlover]

Worse comes to wrose, who said we couldn't move out if ee didn't like our country?

Because why should we move if they're the ones who suck? Should the native americans have just moved if they didn't like getting slaughtered? Should the Palestinians just move? Or the Syrians, Yemens, etc.?... You have to be careful that you're not treading down the slippery slope of legitimization of tyranny with that argument.

Now...I certainly don't want to rustle any jimmies or clonk any bonkers here. But where are the half-mast flags for the dead Pakistani kids? Or the Palestinian kids? Or the entire families in Yemen? Oh right - "collateral damage"...but who is to say that same bull**** argument doesn't apply in this case? If someone is in the way of your extension of power, it is ok for you to blow them away? I don't claim to know what is really going on here but like I said, I don't think the media is giving us anywhere near the whole story.

Our country was built on certain principles and it should be kept as such

And this is precisely why statism is the most dangerous religion in the world. There is not a single state in the world for which the "right to exist" doesn't result in a gun pointed at the head of someone else. At the end of the day there are two types of people: those who want to be left alone, and those who simply will not leave them alone. It is government for which people who want to control the lives of others appeals.

[swagpiratex]

I heard word "sheep" being thrown around in here. This is recommended reading for those who don't know the origin of the term:

http://www.marsec4.com/2011/04/sheep-sheepdogs-and-wolves/

[keyboardlover]

We need more sheepdogs in society. Like that brave teacher who hid her kids in a closet.

[microsoft windows]

If it is true and obvious then prove it.

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If handguns are killers, then why don't we send try them in court and send them to jail instead of the people who use them? That sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? I just love your smart, logical ideas...

[Malphas]

Pardon me for believing in the worth of free thinking and that everyone should have the full information on tragedies that happen on the world. My bad, dude. Didn't realized that offended you so much.

You say that you believe in free thinking, yet all your opinions and statements are lifted straight out of the Libertard manifesto, and whenever someone expresses a different (usually more moderate) opinion than you, you immediately label them statists and supporting evil etc., before launching for the millionth time into one of your incredibly tiresome "government is evil" rants.

Also, the whole "civilian sheepdog" thing that gets banded about increasingly these days is about the lamest thing ever. It's mostly perpetuated by losers that like to indulge in some sick fantasy that one day they can play the big hero, whilst giving the rest of us normal firearm owners (who use it them for legitimate reasons like work and competition rather than sitting at home jacking off over them) a bad name.

[keyboardlover]

All your arguments against mine, IMO, are either tyrannical in nature or make no sense. Phrases like "tinfoil" and "libertard" are totalitarian nonsense. I never told anyone what to think, but you are the one calling people name and shoving your ideology down peoples' throats. Just like a politician.

[iri]

^^^ the revolver is nice, but its coloring i dislike.

[keyboardlover]

Also Malphas, you've probably never been in a situation where you've been needed to save someone's life or had your life saved by another person. I literally saved a close family member's life two years ago. The sheepdog mentality is EXTREMELY important in our society and should be encouraged. Of course, de-escalation and avoidance should ALWAYS be preferred to any act of violence.

[demik]

so, we give our side and we are called tyrants and we are shoving ideologies down people's throats.

kl gives his side, and's the freedom to think.

gotcha.

for the record, i am still waiting on your source of the **** you brought up earlier. and none of this hearsay crap, actual reliable (read: non bias) sources.

im talking about this btw:

Well, he DOES order the drone bombings of entire families and schools of children.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/?2
All those murders MUST be stressful.

There is some strange info starting to come out about this shooting as well as the Colorado shooting. Please let me know if you folks find anything worth sharing. I don't consider myself a "conspiracy theorist" but I also believe that the mainstream media is not one to give us the full story - especially since they're all owned by corporations. Here's what I've read:

- Supposedly the fathers of both shootings were set to testify on major banking scandals before the shootings happened

- There are reports that there may have been a second shooter in the Sandy Hook incident

- The Colorado shooter (not going to give his name) is apparently on suicide watch and a fellow inmate has told people he believes he was brainwashed by his therapist and felt like he was in a "video game"

- Sandy Hook, oddly enough, is the area where Suzanne Collins, writer of "The Hunger Games" lives

- There are conflicting reports about Sandy Hook, especially regarding which actual weapons were used

- There are reports that some children have been held by police and their parents are unable to communicate with them

Like I said, I'm NOT into conspiracy theories but I don't think we're getting all the info here. Please let me know if any of you find anything worth sharing.

a source for everything, please.

[Malphas]

All your arguments against mine, IMO, are either tyrannical in nature or make no sense. Phrases like "tinfoil" and "libertard" are totalitarian nonsense. I never told anyone what to think, but you are the one calling people name and shoving your ideology down peoples' throats. Just like a politician.

I don't think you even have any idea what my ideology is, let alone to the extent you would find it shoved down your throat. All I've said with regard to it is that you post a tremendous amount of illogical, hackneyed, hypocritical pish with enormous self-righteousness and unwarranted arrogance.

Also Malphas, you've probably never been in a situation where you've been needed to save someone's life or had your life saved by another person.

Lol, hilariously wrong since I've had several jobs where I was employed to do exactly that.

[demik]

"just like a politician"

correct me if i'm wrong, but arent there libertarian politicians also?

or did you mean "just like a politician that i dont see eye to eye with"

[Malphas]

What's probably most hypocritical of all is that KL accuses others of shoving ideologies down people's throats whilst this is at least the third thread now that he's completely derailed in order to spout the exact same childish pro-anarchy/anti-government diatribe we've all heard him say several times already.

[demik]

and after everything, he plays the woe is me card.

which is just hilarious.

[precarious]

If it is true and obvious then prove it.

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If handguns are killers, then why don't we send try them in court and send them to jail instead of the people who use them? That sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? I just love your smart, logical ideas...

Look, I'm going to be completely serious for a minute.  I know a lot of my posts are casual and in jest, but this is for real.

Last night I was merrily traipsing down my favorite neighborhood dark alley when I heard a metallic rattling coming out from behind the dumpster.  I expected to encounter a homeless man upon my passing, rooting amidst the refuse for some snacks, but instead there was a Sig Sauer P226 semi-automatic handgun chambered in 9MM barely conscious with a half-empty bottle of Jack Daniels beside him.  I asked the handgun very politely and respectfully, "Sir, are you okay?  Do you need any help?"  and he only grumbled incoherently in response.  Then, out of absolutely nowhere, this wildly intoxicated drunken sod of a handgun just started popping off rounds at me!  I mean, I could have been killed!

We need to ensure that underage, irresponsible handguns are not able to purchase liquor.  This is a dangerous combination and we need to put a stop to this at once.

While we're at it we should also sever the genitalia of all men so they can no longer rape.  THOUSAND OF PENISES RAPE WOMEN EACH YEAR, WE MUST BAN PENISES.

ALSO BAN BREASTS FOR MAKING THEM HARD.

(BAN BRAINS FOR EXHIBITING PARTICULAR BEHAVIOR IN RESPONSE TO CERTAIN EXTERNAL STIMULI.)

[Malphas]

As witty as your overdone and unoriginal sarcasm is, you can't completely discount the massive increase in ease and effectiveness that firearms enable. Do you really think all these shooting spree killers - almost all nerdy 150lbs weaklings - would have inflicted anything like as much damage if they were only equipped with a bat or a knife rather than legally-owned firearms?

[tp4tissue]

What's probably most hypocritical of all is that KL accuses others of shoving ideologies down people's throats whilst this is at least the third thread now that he's completely derailed in order to spout the exact same childish pro-anarchy/anti-government diatribe we've all heard him say several times already.

Oh ho... Zinggg.....

At least I'm open about my nonsense diatribe.

[tp4tissue]

As witty as your overdone and unoriginal sarcasm is, you can't completely discount the massive increase in ease and effectiveness that firearms enable. Do you really think all these shooting spree killers - almost all nerdy 150lbs weaklings - would have inflicted anything like as much damage if they were only equipped with a bat or a knife rather than legally-owned firearms?

Well... that's debatable, since if the guy is there waiting to swing on your head, then he could very well do it..

And... I would imagine taking out little kids with a bat wouldn't be all that difficult, especially when cornered in a classroom with only 1 exit


It is likely that the aggressor will succeed no matter what regulation you put on weapons, because of how many are already out there....

regulation will not stop gun carrying in this country, and it also will not be able to recall the guns already in circulation...

[tp4tissue]

and after everything, he plays the woe is me card.

which is just hilarious.

who plays what? This is why we have the quote button.. If you just want to talk to yourself, then why bother posting??

Silliness

[precarious]

As witty as your overdone and unoriginal sarcasm is, you can't completely discount the massive increase in ease and effectiveness that firearms enable. Do you really think all these shooting spree killers - almost all nerdy 150lbs weaklings - would have inflicted anything like as much damage if they were only equipped with a bat or a knife rather than legally-owned firearms?

I really hope you weren't responding to my post.

[demik]

LOL, kids and their verbal diarrhea...   

i've stopped reading just about everything you type now. it was quite simple to see whom i was talking about.

[Malphas]

As witty as your overdone and unoriginal sarcasm is, you can't completely discount the massive increase in ease and effectiveness that firearms enable. Do you really think all these shooting spree killers - almost all nerdy 150lbs weaklings - would have inflicted anything like as much damage if they were only equipped with a bat or a knife rather than legally-owned firearms?

Well... that's debatable, since if the guy is there waiting to swing on your head, then he could very well do it..

And... I would imagine taking out little kids with a bat wouldn't be all that difficult, especially when cornered in a classroom with only 1 exit


It is likely that the aggressor will succeed no matter what regulation you put on weapons, because of how many are already out there....

regulation will not stop gun carrying in this country, and it also will not be able to recall the guns already in circulation...

Disregarding the second part of your post as that's not the point I'm making, since I'm not personally an advocate of more gun control (all I'm arguing here is the ease and damage) I'd say that frankly I think you have to be pretty deluded to try and debate that a bladed weapon or blunt object is going to be equally devastating in these kind of scenarios. Yes a guy waiting to swing a bat on your head is more or less just as lethal as a gunshot, but that's not a comparable scenario, we're talking about a situation where a lone assailant (usually one that isn't very physically intimidating) is going into an area full of people and causing numerous casualties, and the reason they're able to do that (other than perhaps rare cases) is due to having a firearm. If you think you can dispute that's the reason why, then you're being either disingenuous or just stupid. Same with your classroom example, it completely ignores the fact that children are generally under the constant supervision of adults.

I'm all for genuine arguments as to why people should be legally allowed to own firearms, just not ones that are blatant BS.

[Malphas]

LOL, kids and their verbal diarrhea...   

i've stopped reading just about everything you type now. it was quite simple to see whom i was talking about.

Not if you're chronically lacking in social awareness and basic interpersonal skills as tp has demonstrated himself to be.

[keyboardlover]

Now I know how politicians are created.

They start as trolls.

Edit: More info starting to come out about the fathers of both shooters and the LIBOR scandal:

http://www.examiner.com/article/libor-scandal-grows-as-the-fathers-of-two-mass-murderers-were-to-testify

[Internetlad]

If it is true and obvious then prove it.

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Now show me another chart dictating how many of those are murders, suicides, accidents, How many are done by legitimate criminals, self defense or by an officer of the law or guard. How many of these killings were done by registered or unregistered firearms? If we could also expand this chart to show long guns like rifles and shotguns, which are much easier to buy and possess with minimal licensing in most countries. (Still gets the job done exactly the same.)

And of course, kindly sort these per capita, because there sure as hell isn't 315,000,000 people living in Israel.

Just another example about how a specific dataset can be twisted to fit an agenda. Like a graph of "how many people prefer pepsi to coke" and the difference is staggering, but then you see they're not showing 0-100, they're showing 45-55 and only 2 more people prefer coke to pepsi.



what a huge difference.

Also, is there a way to "unfollow" this thread? I'm tired of it being on top of my feed every single time I check. I can't go to work or on the internet without getting a 10 lb bag of "new developments" crammed down my throat.