Why Doesn't My Mom Realize

[OnTheBrink]

How amazing mechanical keyboars are!?

I mean, she types 150 WPM and types all day at work. However, she prefers the spaced out chicklet keys of her Mac Book... BUT HOW!?

How does she not feel the amazing linear crispness of my Red switches!? Or the pleasant click and tactile goodness of my Blue switches!?

Why... doesn't she get it!? When I went from those boards to a mechanical it was like losing my virginity. Not that I want my mother to feel like that in front of me... But you get the idea.

Don't you?

What?

Where am I?

[inteli722]

It usually takes a bit to adjust to a mechanical keyboard. The reds or Blues also might just not be the correct switches for her. If she enjoys a laptop keyboard, she might prefer heavier switches.

[noisyturtle]

Really? I've tried for years to forget losing my virginity. A drunken haze of misguided uninformed fumbles and vomit culminating in blood and tears. Welp, back to therapy.

[SmallFry]

I'd say that she may like ML's. Low profile, higher resistance, and if you're lucky/know what to look for in the part number, PBT dye subs.

[Lanx]

mac's...
mac users are a lost cause (even if she gave birth to you).

[lazerpointer]

I'm going to drop a confession here... I purchased a Razer Deathstalker today... compulsive buying... Anyways, it's cool and quick for gaming (I might game exclusively on scissor switch going forward,) but for the moment I'm back to using my BS / Topre

[tp4tissue]

I honestly DO think scissor is optimal.

Even after all this expensive foray into Mech

[lazerpointer]

I was there in my first mech binge phase - I bought a Kensington Slimtype (the cool one with the chrome trim - not the "Slimtype" that's on Amazon right now that's full sized) and a couple of the Apple chiclet boards.

[inteli722]

I'm fine with my Laptop's scissor-switch, but I think it's too heavy.

[Hyde]

I honestly DO think scissor is optimal.

Even after all this expensive foray into Mech

I actually agree with you on this.  I think for typing FAST.  Scissor switch is optimal because it allows for very little downstroke and recover in very little distance.  Less distance traveled = faster.

The thing with mechanical keyboard is that it FEEL and SOUND better 

[tp4tissue]

I was there in my first mech binge phase - I bought a Kensington Slimtype (the cool one with the chrome trim - not the "Slimtype" that's on Amazon right now that's full sized) and a couple of the Apple chiclet boards.

I'd love to use an apple keyboard, if only they made a wired version of that wireless one... Agh....

[SmallFry]

I was there in my first mech binge phase - I bought a Kensington Slimtype (the cool one with the chrome trim - not the "Slimtype" that's on Amazon right now that's full sized) and a couple of the Apple chiclet boards.

I'd love to use an apple keyboard, if only they made a wired version of that wireless one... Agh....

I can second that motion. Make the tiny form factor with a wire instead of Bluetooth, since I hate Bluetooth.

[OnTheBrink]

I honestly DO think scissor is optimal.

Even after all this expensive foray into Mech

For some reason my reds remind me of a nicer feeling scissor switch. Although, the first keyboard I ever really love and compared every new key board to for gaming was the Logitech DiNovo. No idea why I loved it so much.

Although, I have to say scissors do not even com close to my Filco with Reds. I will, however, say that the razor black widow stealth felt a tad more solid when typing. I thought it was the switch, but whn putting the keys on Filco to test, it was definitely the keys. filco's keys are thin while Razers has a coating.

So of course now I am impatiently waiting for my PBT keys.

[Leslieann]

Scissors are nice and under-rated/appreciated.
They bind less (in some cases A LOT less), which seems to be an issue for me, and have a shorter travel than traditional rubber domes, kind of how my switches are setup now.

That Apple keyboard is really nice, and I could have sworn there was a wired version at one time, my problem though is the chicklet keys. On certain ones, the sharp corners always catch my fingernails. It's not like I have long nails, I just seem to snag them on there a lot. Some are worse than others, but it the first one I ever tried was so bad that i swore them off for a long time.

[iri]

i hugely dislike scissor switch keyboards. short throw + high actuation force = strong bottoming out all the time.

[kaiserreich]

I took the home Model M out for cleaning and replaced it with a cheap RD.
My mom started to complain about how awful the cheap RD was.

[fohat.digs]

My wife is a magazine editor who types monumental numbers of keystrokes, and she also prefers Apple flatness.

I don't have a particular problem with short throw, but I really need tall keys with some breathing space around them.

But I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the 1960s and take a true downward finger stroke each time, rather than a glide and dip.

[longweight]

I can happily type all day on a MBP, nothing wrong with the keyboard on it at all.

[Batmann]

Weird thing is I really like my macbook keyboard but I truly hate my girlfriend imac bluetooth board
I expected it to have the same feel but it doesn't

[OnTheBrink]

I stupidly purchased that nre Deathstalker Ultimate from Razer and it had chicklet keys. I liked it because it was new... then when I put the mechanical back it was amazing. I will never use anything besides mechanical.

[ComradeSniper]

I like scissor switches. Mechanical feels nicer, but scissor switches are still not bad.

[daerid]

I might actually pick up a DeathStalker. As much as I love my Topre switches, I also loved typing on my Mac aluminum board. It's just not very optimal for Windows

[precarious]

I mean, she types 150 WPM and types all day at work. However, she prefers the spaced out chicklet keys of her Mac Book... BUT HOW!?

your mother is lying to you and doesn't type that fast

I honestly DO think scissor is optimal.

Even after all this expensive foray into Mech

I actually agree with you on this.  I think for typing FAST.  Scissor switch is optimal because it allows for very little downstroke and recover in very little distance.  Less distance traveled = faster.

this isn't really true though as much as it miay seem to make sense because LESS DISTANCE EQUAL FASTER IT LOGIC RIGHT

[fuzzybaffy]

I mean, she types 150 WPM and types all day at work. However, she prefers the spaced out chicklet keys of her Mac Book... BUT HOW!?

your mother is lying to you and doesn't type that fast

I honestly DO think scissor is optimal.

Even after all this expensive foray into Mech

I actually agree with you on this.  I think for typing FAST.  Scissor switch is optimal because it allows for very little downstroke and recover in very little distance.  Less distance traveled = faster.

this isn't really true though as much as it miay seem to make sense because LESS DISTANCE EQUAL FASTER IT LOGIC RIGHT

What keyboard with what switches do you use?

[OnTheBrink]

I might actually pick up a DeathStalker. As much as I love my Topre switches, I also loved typing on my Mac aluminum board. It's just not very optimal for Windows

I'm selling mine. It's barely used. PM me if you're interested.

[precarious]

I mean, she types 150 WPM and types all day at work. However, she prefers the spaced out chicklet keys of her Mac Book... BUT HOW!?

your mother is lying to you and doesn't type that fast

I honestly DO think scissor is optimal.

Even after all this expensive foray into Mech

I actually agree with you on this.  I think for typing FAST.  Scissor switch is optimal because it allows for very little downstroke and recover in very little distance.  Less distance traveled = faster.

this isn't really true though as much as it miay seem to make sense because LESS DISTANCE EQUAL FASTER IT LOGIC RIGHT

What keyboard with what switches do you use?

filco mj2, mx browns with white-on-black cherry doubleshots, cherry pbt dyesubs for the primary 33 keys, doubleshot cherry CODE keycap for ? - http://i.imgur.com/4Ysij.jpg (top)

i tried some reds recently though and i think i need to get reds for a GH60 or something, because those are probably better than browns after typing on these for a while and trying those out.

[OnTheBrink]

I mean, she types 150 WPM and types all day at work. However, she prefers the spaced out chicklet keys of her Mac Book... BUT HOW!?

your mother is lying to you and doesn't type that fast

I honestly DO think scissor is optimal.

Even after all this expensive foray into Mech

I actually agree with you on this.  I think for typing FAST.  Scissor switch is optimal because it allows for very little downstroke and recover in very little distance.  Less distance traveled = faster.

this isn't really true though as much as it miay seem to make sense because LESS DISTANCE EQUAL FASTER IT LOGIC RIGHT

What keyboard with what switches do you use?

filco mj2, mx browns with white-on-black cherry doubleshots, cherry pbt dyesubs for the primary 33 keys, doubleshot cherry CODE keycap for ? - http://i.imgur.com/4Ysij.jpg (top)

i tried some reds recently though and i think i need to get reds for a GH60 or something, because those are probably better than browns after typing on these for a while and trying those out.

Yeah, I like my reds more than my browns. But I do want to try something with more tactile feedback than browns. I always like the tactile feedback of my rubber domes but hated everything else.

This is why I am torn between clear, green and topre for my next board. Any advice?

[Internetlad]

mac's...

Your mother and fohat's wife are both hipsters. Don't try to reason with them, you'll only make them angrier and they'll want another ipad.

EDIT:

also scissors are ass, you guys are on meth.

[precarious]

Yeah, I like my reds more than my browns. But I do want to try something with more tactile feedback than browns. I always like the tactile feedback of my rubber domes but hated everything else.

This is why I am torn between clear, green and topre for my next board. Any advice?

i was looking at getting one of those mx gray boards coming out soon for the stiff tactility, but greens seem like they could probably be pretty decent too after having used a dolch for a little bit.

[OnTheBrink]

Yeah, I like my reds more than my browns. But I do want to try something with more tactile feedback than browns. I always like the tactile feedback of my rubber domes but hated everything else.

This is why I am torn between clear, green and topre for my next board. Any advice?

i was looking at getting one of those mx gray boards coming out soon for the stiff tactility, but greens seem like they could probably be pretty decent too after having used a dolch for a little bit.

I just watched a video on the sound if Realforce 87U and it got me feeling all warm and fuzzy. I think after I sell my Deathstalker I might pick this up:

http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se170s

[sicyo]

Yep I don't get the fans of apple flats either. My company's CTO prefers them :S

[davkol]

I'd say that she may like ML's. Low profile, higher resistance, and if you're lucky/know what to look for in the part number, PBT dye subs.

Sticky... T_T

I was there in my first mech binge phase - I bought a Kensington Slimtype (the cool one with the chrome trim - not the "Slimtype" that's on Amazon right now that's full sized) and a couple of the Apple chiclet boards.

I'd love to use an apple keyboard, if only they made a wired version of that wireless one... Agh....

They did.

i hugely dislike scissor switch keyboards. short throw + high actuation force = strong bottoming out all the time.

This, and one more thing: even NMB-manufactured thinkpad keyboard sometimes feels too mushy to me. I used to love scissor switches, and I still like them at times, but not for intensive/everyday use anymore.

[hoggy]

Some lessons you just have to learn for yourself...

Don't worry about your mum.  I think it's normal.  I know people that have struggled to get used to a new dell rd after moving from an older dell rd. 

[iri]

also scissors are ass, you guys are on meth.

agreed.

[Demofly]

I type ridiculously fast and accurately on my Lenovo Z575's keyboard.

It feels weird, but results are results.

[tp4tissue]

There are 2 main advantages to Scissor switches:

Low travel, 

____easier key timing, 

Low Profile

____reduces finger lift height
__________transition between keys are smoother

____prevents catching fingertips on row changes
________this happens when you move from something like J to U,  It's possible to flick the bottom of the U key in the transition..




These are all things you can overcome, but the point is... these little things do make quite a difference when you "don't" want to spend the time to develop more technique, "which is the average user"

Even then,, with low likelihood of technical errors on part of an experienced user,, the scissor Continues to provide,, EVEN LOWER chances of mis-steps.


Also iri,, WPM rating has nothing to do with these advantages....

This is purely an ergonomic dilemma, and scissor switches are superior...

[lazerpointer]

I get key chatter more often on scissors (like when I type the word "to" it sometimes comes out as "too".) Also it's a higher impact typing experience when I type fast. I do use scissor switch at work now because it's quiet. I work in a lab and value personal (see, right there I typed "personaal" cause I'm typing on my Dell XPS keyboard  ) ) space and respect of other people's ears / workspace. I can't think when **** is going on around me, distracting me.

[Internetlad]

This is purely an ergonomic dilemma, and scissor switches are superior...

[tauburn]

well the chiclet keys are kindof nice because of how short the travel time is. it lets you move your finger to the next letter faster than with normal sized keys.

[Findecanor]

I gave said many times that I think that the Cherry MX Clear feels somewhat like a short-throw switch that cushions the stroke instead of bottoming out hard. I think that I type text on them faster than on any other switch.

The ideal switch would be, I think, one that combined a rubber dome or sleeve with a spring to provide the same force curve as the MX clear, but the dome could mean less friction and noise, and with built-in dampening if you ever bottom out. Because the rubber dome would provide more of the resistance at the top of the stroke, the force curve of the spring's contribution should be steeper. This would mean that the spring could be much shorter than in a typical MX, thus making the switch smaller, saving maybe up to five millimetres. If the switches were surface-mounted rather than with pins, there wouldn't also not need to be any space under the circuit board, and the circuit board could rest directly on the back plate, thus shaving off up to two millimetres more.

[tauburn]

I gave said many times that I think that the Cherry MX Clear feels somewhat like a short-throw switch that cushions the stroke instead of bottoming out hard. I think that I type text on them faster than on any other switch.

The ideal switch would be, I think, one that combined a rubber dome or sleeve with a spring to provide the same force curve as the MX clear, but the dome could mean less friction and noise, and with built-in dampening if you ever bottom out. Because the rubber dome would provide more of the resistance at the top of the stroke, the force curve of the spring's contribution should be steeper. This would mean that the spring could be much shorter than in a typical MX, thus making the switch smaller, saving maybe up to five millimetres. If the switches were surface-mounted rather than with pins, there wouldn't also not need to be any space under the circuit board, and the circuit board could rest directly on the back plate, thus shaving off up to two millimetres more.

older people dont care if something is better.  they just want what theyre used to.

[compgeke]

That's the way my mom is, she has her horrible Samsung chicklet keyboard on her laptop and says the keyboard on my laptop sucks (and in my opinion it's not half bad).  I have no idea who makes the Latitude keyboard (made by Darfon...?). She also has something against the Model M I use, not sure if it's how loud it is, or just the fact that it's not as crappy as a Samsung keyboard.

[tp4tissue]

That's the way my mom is, she has her horrible Samsung chicklet keyboard on her laptop and says the keyboard on my laptop sucks (and in my opinion it's not half bad).  I have no idea who makes the Latitude keyboard (made by Darfon...?). She also has something against the Model M I use, not sure if it's how loud it is, or just the fact that it's not as crappy as a Samsung keyboard.

with women, most of them can't properly use a full travel keyboard because of "long/longer nails"

On chiclet keyboards, nails don't get caught as easily

same goes for many "girly" men these days...

I've worked with many people that develop bad technique both on piano, and pc keyboard, due to the fact that they don't trim their nails.

[Internetlad]

older people dont care if something is better.  they just want what theyre used to.

I assume that's why so many people are still using windows XP and office 2003.

[Playtrumpet]

I've never typed faster on a mech board than on scissors. The travel distance to bottoming out is just so wonderful. I want longer lasting, crisper and lower actuation force scissors. Screw you haters.

[OnTheBrink]

I don't understand the low travel thing. At the end of the day, wouldn't it boil down to actuation force? Also, I type extremely light on my reds. Graceful enough where I almost never bottom out. Would that be the same distance as a scissor switch?

Not being rhetorical, seriously asking.

[Grim Fandango]

Just have her try it and ask her to stick with it for a little while. If, after that, she still does not care for mechanical keyboards (or at least the switches you had her try), then just give up. Apparently she is already very comfortable on the keyboard she is currently using.