Possible fix for "sticky" ergo-clears

[keymaster]

I think I may have found out the reason for sticky ergo-clear switches. I've read about this before and some people have mentioned that it has something to do with the lightness of the spring.

I was trying to figure out why one or two of my ergo-clear switches were sticking on the upstroke, so I decided to take apart a sticky switch and a non-sticky switch. The metal contact circled below was bent on the sticky switch and I suspected this to be the cause. I had an extra MX Red switch laying around, so I took it apart and replaced the red stem with a clear one. The stickiness disappeared.

It couldn't have been the lightness of the spring since wide-spread stickiness hasn't really been reported.




What do you guys think? I haven't tried to replicate this yet with another sticky switch, so I can't be absolutely certain that it's sure thing.

[Jocelyn]

Interesting, but I would simply lube the spring and stem of the sticky switch.

[tp4tissue]

Did ripster come up with this before I did?

[keymaster]

Did ripster come up with this before I did?

That's just Ripster's image.

[tp4tissue]

Did ripster come up with this before I did?

That's just Ripster's image.

well i first posted about "that" part of the leaf bending as a fix in the non-clicking mx blue thread from a while back.

I don't know if it's the case for ergo clears.. but that's where the 62/65/67 comes in..

My rational for at least 65g goes like this..     mx springs lose 5 grams of force over 5-10 years...  if we need at least ~60g of force to make the mx clear less sticky, than we'll have to use 65s because it'll lose 5...


And the springs lose the 5 grams whether you click it or not, because while it's in the switch it is already slightly compressed.

[keymaster]

Did ripster come up with this before I did?

That's just Ripster's image.

well i first posted about "that" part of the leaf bending as a fix in the non-clicking mx blue thread from a while back.

I don't know if it's the case for ergo clears.. but that's where the 62/65/67 comes in..

My rational for at least 65g goes like this..     mx springs lose 5 grams of force over 5-10 years...  if we need at least ~60g of force to make the mx clear less sticky, than we'll have to use 65s because it'll lose 5...


And the springs lose the 5 grams whether you click it or not, because while it's in the switch it is already slightly compressed.

Well, I did swap out the brown spring that was on the sticky spring with a 65g spring and it was still sticky, even more so. Then I did what I described in my first post.

[tp4tissue]

Did ripster come up with this before I did?

That's just Ripster's image.

well i first posted about "that" part of the leaf bending as a fix in the non-clicking mx blue thread from a while back.

I don't know if it's the case for ergo clears.. but that's where the 62/65/67 comes in..

My rational for at least 65g goes like this..     mx springs lose 5 grams of force over 5-10 years...  if we need at least ~60g of force to make the mx clear less sticky, than we'll have to use 65s because it'll lose 5...


And the springs lose the 5 grams whether you click it or not, because while it's in the switch it is already slightly compressed.

Well, I did swap out the brown spring that was on the sticky spring with a 65g spring and it was still sticky, even more so. Then I did what I described in my first post.

Oh... hmm............. did you try the original spring?

Maybe the original 80g spring was designed to take the tolerance of the actuation leaf spring in mind.. as in worst case, it'll need an 80g spring behind the slider..

is the switch one of the stabilized modifiers cherry/costar

[keymaster]

Did ripster come up with this before I did?

That's just Ripster's image.

well i first posted about "that" part of the leaf bending as a fix in the non-clicking mx blue thread from a while back.

I don't know if it's the case for ergo clears.. but that's where the 62/65/67 comes in..

My rational for at least 65g goes like this..     mx springs lose 5 grams of force over 5-10 years...  if we need at least ~60g of force to make the mx clear less sticky, than we'll have to use 65s because it'll lose 5...


And the springs lose the 5 grams whether you click it or not, because while it's in the switch it is already slightly compressed.

Well, I did swap out the brown spring that was on the sticky spring with a 65g spring and it was still sticky, even more so. Then I did what I described in my first post.

Oh... hmm............. did you try the original spring?

Maybe the original 80g spring was designed to take the tolerance of the actuation leaf spring in mind.. as in worst case, it'll need an 80g spring behind the slider..

is the switch one of the stabilized modifiers cherry/costar

I don't have the original clear springs since I'm not the original owner of the board. The sticky switch wasn't on a modifier but on the ~ key.

[nubbinator]

I think I may have found out the reason for sticky ergo-clear switches. I've read about this before and some people have mentioned that it has something to do with the lightness of the spring.

I was trying to figure out why one or two of my ergo-clear switches were sticking on the upstroke, so I decided to take apart a sticky switch and a non-sticky switch. The metal contact circled below was bent on the sticky switch and I suspected this to be the cause. I had an extra MX Red switch laying around, so I took it apart and replaced the red stem with a clear one. The stickiness disappeared.

It couldn't have been the lightness of the spring since wide-spread stickiness hasn't really been reported.

What do you guys think? I haven't tried to replicate this yet with another sticky switch, so I can't be absolutely certain that it's sure thing.

I'm not completely sold on that explanation.  When I was making my Ergo Clears with 62g and 65g springs, I noticed that some switches stuck with a given stem, but if I swapped in a different stem, it worked just fine.  It had nothing to do with the metal tab except in a handful of cases where it was really bent out of shape.

That's not to say that explanation isn't correct.  Since I was using used Clears, it could be that some stems were more worn on the ends than others and, as such, were less prone to sticking.

[Jocelyn]

I'm not completely sold on that explanation.  When I was making my Ergo Clears with 62g and 65g springs, I noticed that some switches stuck with a given stem, but if I swapped in a different stem, it worked just fine.  It had nothing to do with the metal tab except in a handful of cases where it was really bent out of shape.

That's not to say that explanation isn't correct.  Since I was using used Clears, it could be that some stems were more worn on the ends than others and, as such, were less prone to sticking.

I forgot about this, but it's true.
Of my 110 clears, there were at least two stems that would get stuck regardless of which switch they were in. At first, I thought it was related to the metal tab being referred to in this thread, but it was indeed the stem.

[tp4tissue]

I'm not completely sold on that explanation.  When I was making my Ergo Clears with 62g and 65g springs, I noticed that some switches stuck with a given stem, but if I swapped in a different stem, it worked just fine.  It had nothing to do with the metal tab except in a handful of cases where it was really bent out of shape.

That's not to say that explanation isn't correct.  Since I was using used Clears, it could be that some stems were more worn on the ends than others and, as such, were less prone to sticking.

I forgot about this, but it's true.
Of my 110 clears, there were at least two stems that would get stuck regardless of which switch they were in. At first, I thought it was related to the metal tab being referred to in this thread, but it was indeed the stem.

so.... what.. rub down the stem with a dry rough cloth?