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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16000 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 10:10:02 »
since he's been dead silent for an entire month and didn't meet his timeline provided to me, i'm going to go ahead and disclose the content of his reply for full transparency (possibly for his own sake). click the more button for it.

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You request and summation is more than reasonable and I have taken note of the change of address. I'm sorry I have been unfit for this creative endeavor. I am in extremely poor health, many keys were stolen, and I am now without a home. This is one of the few days I have had access to a computer and with thousands of emails on multiple accounts it's been a nighmare. My work is aware of GH and monitors it while limiting my access. I have keys sitting for July and I'm hiring someone to get the previous sales shipped as I have been unable to do it in my current state. My goal is to have everything shipped by early July. I apologize again and if you would just like a refund, I would most certainly understand. I wish I would have communicated this more (and earlier), but please understand I am truly trying to just make it through each day. I am grateful for the generosity of yourself and of the community (GH).


i do feel that someone needs to initiate a new dispute to try and ask for more updated info (i can't since i've already used mine), as he still needs to fulfill over $9,000 (dank meme) in orders and we're well-past a reasonable timeline for delivery. and if one of you live in the LA area and want to step in and help him (kind of like how i see all these other people stepping up and finishing ****ed over group buys), i'd suggest you be the one that files the dispute (just know he still needs to ship ~100 orders, many of which are international). i'd be willing to compensate you for your time to ship this **** out (should clack allow you to) and bring closure to this situation for everyone (especially for clack).

I'll be the doubtful person which is how I am anyway, but:
- poor health (reccurent theme for people that disappear from GH),
- stolen,
- homeless

seems very extreme to me.
If he's in such a rough time of his life, why doesn't he come here on GH where he knows people will support him? It's not exactly the same situation but look how we helped out Brocap in the K3KC case.
But then again, It's hard to get my trust.

If you are in such a hard situation clackman comes here for help, you know we will help you.


I'll be selling my spot soon.

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He said his work monitors GH and limits his access. I would figure this is his reason for his limited responses now.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16001 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 10:15:03 »
since he's been dead silent for an entire month and didn't meet his timeline provided to me, i'm going to go ahead and disclose the content of his reply for full transparency (possibly for his own sake). click the more button for it.

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You request and summation is more than reasonable and I have taken note of the change of address. I'm sorry I have been unfit for this creative endeavor. I am in extremely poor health, many keys were stolen, and I am now without a home. This is one of the few days I have had access to a computer and with thousands of emails on multiple accounts it's been a nighmare. My work is aware of GH and monitors it while limiting my access. I have keys sitting for July and I'm hiring someone to get the previous sales shipped as I have been unable to do it in my current state. My goal is to have everything shipped by early July. I apologize again and if you would just like a refund, I would most certainly understand. I wish I would have communicated this more (and earlier), but please understand I am truly trying to just make it through each day. I am grateful for the generosity of yourself and of the community (GH).


i do feel that someone needs to initiate a new dispute to try and ask for more updated info (i can't since i've already used mine), as he still needs to fulfill over $9,000 (dank meme) in orders and we're well-past a reasonable timeline for delivery. and if one of you live in the LA area and want to step in and help him (kind of like how i see all these other people stepping up and finishing ****ed over group buys), i'd suggest you be the one that files the dispute (just know he still needs to ship ~100 orders, many of which are international). i'd be willing to compensate you for your time to ship this **** out (should clack allow you to) and bring closure to this situation for everyone (especially for clack).

I'll be the doubtful person which is how I am anyway, but:
- poor health (reccurent theme for people that disappear from GH),
- stolen,
- homeless

seems very extreme to me.
If he's in such a rough time of his life, why doesn't he come here on GH where he knows people will support him? It's not exactly the same situation but look how we helped out Brocap in the K3KC case.
But then again, It's hard to get my trust.

If you are in such a hard situation clackman comes here for help, you know we will help you.


I'll be selling my spot soon.

Azhdar,

He said his work monitors GH and limits his access. I would figure this is his reason for his limited responses now.

We're in 21th century. You have internet access everywhere. And he managed to respond to paypal claim.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16002 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 10:28:19 »
There's just no excuse for taking that much money (mine included) and not taking 1 minute after work to hop on GH and post an update, even if it's not a good update. We wouldn't treat a GB lead any differently.

Those excuses might work for some kids, they don't work for me.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16003 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 10:41:54 »
There's just no excuse for taking that much money (mine included) and not taking 1 minute after work to hop on GH and post an update, even if it's not a good update. We wouldn't treat a GB lead any differently.

Those excuses might work for some kids, they don't work for me.


I agree, you can always go to a library, which has free internet (at least in Canada they do) to post an update after work.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16004 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 10:45:05 »
There's just no excuse for taking that much money (mine included) and not taking 1 minute after work to hop on GH and post an update, even if it's not a good update. We wouldn't treat a GB lead any differently.

Those excuses might work for some kids, they don't work for me.

I agree, you can always go to a library, which has free internet (at least in Canada they do) to post an update after work.

At this point we're all just speculating, but I'm imagining that if you're homeless, in terrible health, and recently experienced a theft, it might actually be more difficult than that to post a substantial update.  :-/  As much as it sucks to admit, we probably are not the top priority in his life at this time.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16005 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:04:25 »
You're right Hoff, we are speculating, but I have a hard time believing that he's homeless after he just took over $10k+ from GH and he confirmed he still has a job.

I just checked my Paypal, it will be 6 months in 4 days since I sent payment. I really wish it didn't get to this.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16006 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:06:45 »
What are Clacks?
Exactly what I wanted to ask lol.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16007 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:08:08 »
I still wonder if that 4/20 update will ever come. :(

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16008 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:09:39 »
What are Clacks?
Exactly what I wanted to ask lol.
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16009 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:34:19 »

I still wonder if that 4/20 update will ever come. :(

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16010 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:36:33 »
Look at how the community rallied around my family.

Imagine the help cc could get if he just communicated / reached out to us.

I bet several people would volunteer as gnomes in training to catch up, and I guarantee we could figure out a way to raise a bunch of money real fast.
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16011 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:41:34 »
bad situation

i miss the days when this was a happy thread not filled with doubt...
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16012 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:46:12 »
well 6 months son. no messages. yno.
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16013 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:47:05 »
Look at how the community rallied around my family.

Imagine the help cc could get if he just communicated / reached out to us.

I bet several people would volunteer as gnomes in training to catch up, and I guarantee we could figure out a way to raise a bunch of money real fast.

Yup.  I'm not too far away and would gladly ship and package everything for shipping/packaging costs.  At this point, I'm in the same boat as others, wondering if I can get my money back since $100 is $100 I could put toward a new camera.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16014 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:51:54 »
Look at how the community rallied around my family.

Imagine the help cc could get if he just communicated / reached out to us.

I bet several people would volunteer as gnomes in training to catch up, and I guarantee we could figure out a way to raise a bunch of money real fast.

Yup.  I'm not too far away and would gladly ship and package everything for shipping/packaging costs.  At this point, I'm in the same boat as others, wondering if I can get my money back since $100 is $100 I could put toward a new camera.

There we go. nubbs is the PERFECT gnome. Do this.
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16015 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 12:21:54 »
Nubb if you can work this out, I'll shoot you some funds for the processing.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16016 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 12:23:14 »
Yea Nubbs, go ahead and contact Clack and let us know what you find out, lol. :))

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16017 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 12:41:25 »
Look at how the community rallied around my family.

Imagine the help cc could get if he just communicated / reached out to us.

I bet several people would volunteer as gnomes in training to catch up, and I guarantee we could figure out a way to raise a bunch of money real fast.

Yup.  I'm not too far away and would gladly ship and package everything for shipping/packaging costs.  At this point, I'm in the same boat as others, wondering if I can get my money back since $100 is $100 I could put toward a new camera.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16018 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 12:53:22 »
Work internet restrictions suck but if they're only monitoring not actually blocking access he could come on here before work, during lunch break, or after work - we deal in keyboards not black market nukes or porn so it's surely not a sackable offence!

It would be great if Nubbs could go and see what's going on, this is all a bit strange...
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16019 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 13:37:31 »
I miss cc

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16020 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 13:49:24 »
Was hoping to see that the new posts in this thread means that people were receiving their Clacks


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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16021 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 14:03:40 »
Work internet restrictions suck but if they're only monitoring not actually blocking access he could come on here before work, during lunch break, or after work - we deal in keyboards not black market nukes or porn so it's surely not a sackable offence!

It would be great if Nubbs could go and see what's going on, this is all a bit strange...
But GH was just Dosd for being such l3et hackers?

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16022 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 15:13:25 »
Work internet restrictions suck but if they're only monitoring not actually blocking access he could come on here before work, during lunch break, or after work - we deal in keyboards not black market nukes or porn so it's surely not a sackable offence!

It would be great if Nubbs could go and see what's going on, this is all a bit strange...
But GH was just Dosd for being such l3et hackers?
You raise a good point, but if we're so bad we surely deserve a proper block.  Monitoring is used to catch people doing stuff they shouldn't be during work time...  Guess that confirms Clack has another account to post from!
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16023 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 18:29:22 »
I don't know about you guys but I won't be filing a claim (and I still have 2 caps $50/ea that is in the stake). I think I trust CC's reputation. He's long enough here, he create great caps and base on a few observations, he seemed to be a stand-up guy and man of his words. I'd like to think that he really is in deep trouble (health and whatnot), and doing a claim and getting his account frozen would have made things worse for him. We have been super generous to other members here, some of them are complete strangers too, why do we then pile additional stress onto him?
 

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16024 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 19:08:21 »
All I know about CC was learned in this thread during Clackvent - no-one had a bad word to say about him.

As the deadline draws near I've considered my options: I can wait and hope to get two Clacks sometime, or I can pull out (I'm owed a $50 and a $65) but that would not leave me with enough money to buy even a single colour on the black market!

Be nice to allegedly one of the unluckiest people alive and save money, or kick a man while he's down and spend more to get less?  Needless to say I won't be making a claim.
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« Reply #16025 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 19:22:08 »

Be nice to allegedly one of the unluckiest people alive and save money, or kick a man while he's down and spend more to get less?  Needless to say I won't be making a claim.

Well said man! Over the years, people have made money off him by selling CC at inflated price. He doesn't get a cent from his work that others profited out of him and now is really not the time to 'kick him while he's down'.

And don't forget that he doesn't need to resort to these tactics to 'scam' us. If he sold his keys at $100 during Clackvent, we would be throwing money his way anyway. His work is worth that much and he knows it. If he wants to make money, he could have done it easily, right? I'm convinced his predicament is genuine and I don't think you all should file a claim and make it worse for him.
 

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16026 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 20:28:13 »

Be nice to allegedly one of the unluckiest people alive and save money, or kick a man while he's down and spend more to get less?  Needless to say I won't be making a claim.

Well said man! Over the years, people have made money off him by selling CC at inflated price. He doesn't get a cent from his work that others profited out of him and now is really not the time to 'kick him while he's down'.

And don't forget that he doesn't need to resort to these tactics to 'scam' us. If he sold his keys at $100 during Clackvent, we would be throwing money his way anyway. His work is worth that much and he knows it. If he wants to make money, he could have done it easily, right? I'm convinced his predicament is genuine and I don't think you all should file a claim and make it worse for him.

Yeah after reading about his predicament I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and won't lodge a claim. Please don't make me regret it CC :(
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16027 on: Wed, 15 July 2015, 22:42:30 »
No claim here either.

If CC has had that much bad luck, the last thing he needs is people whining about a refund.

If I read the earlier message correctly, most or all of the keycaps are already made, less those that have been stolen, and are ready to ship out.  He just needs someone to help with shipping.

If one less claim helps CC get better quicker, then I'm all for it, not just so I can get my Radnelac Clack, but so a fellow human being can recover and enjoy life again.
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16028 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 04:36:37 »

Be nice to allegedly one of the unluckiest people alive and save money, or kick a man while he's down and spend more to get less?  Needless to say I won't be making a claim.

Well said man! Over the years, people have made money off him by selling CC at inflated price. He doesn't get a cent from his work that others profited out of him and now is really not the time to 'kick him while he's down'.

And don't forget that he doesn't need to resort to these tactics to 'scam' us. If he sold his keys at $100 during Clackvent, we would be throwing money his way anyway. His work is worth that much and he knows it. If he wants to make money, he could have done it easily, right? I'm convinced his predicament is genuine and I don't think you all should file a claim and make it worse for him.

Yeah after reading about his predicament I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and won't lodge a claim. Please don't make me regret it CC :(

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16029 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 04:57:41 »
Still going to open a claim come the 25th to get a idea of how long realistically we will be waiting for these, unless someone from his area can do so and tell him we are more than happy to help him out with anything he needs.
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16030 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 09:28:09 »
Still going to open a claim come the 25th to get a idea of how long realistically we will be waiting for these, unless someone from his area can do so and tell him we are more than happy to help him out with anything he needs.

If you do that you face the risk of preventing these from ever shipping.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16031 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 09:39:22 »

Be nice to allegedly one of the unluckiest people alive and save money, or kick a man while he's down and spend more to get less?  Needless to say I won't be making a claim.

Well said man! Over the years, people have made money off him by selling CC at inflated price. He doesn't get a cent from his work that others profited out of him and now is really not the time to 'kick him while he's down'.

And don't forget that he doesn't need to resort to these tactics to 'scam' us. If he sold his keys at $100 during Clackvent, we would be throwing money his way anyway. His work is worth that much and he knows it. If he wants to make money, he could have done it easily, right? I'm convinced his predicament is genuine and I don't think you all should file a claim and make it worse for him.

I agree with Belfong, yes it would be great to have more communication but it sounds like things are pretty serious for CC and I believe based on his long and sterling reputation we should trust in the man to eventually get these out when he is able.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16032 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 10:24:42 »
I'm still in shock that someone went to his home, specifically, to steal his keys. No random break-in would know any better to grab those. I guess it doesn't 'shock' me, but it's quite ballsy.

He just sounds terribly unlucky, however I'm still a little confused about the lack of updates. He has a job, and somehow gets there. He's living somewhere. Does he not have any family or friends? I find that hard to believe they aren't helpful to his current state, if they exist. How can someone go to using their phone/internet daily then not be able to? It's a hard habit to break. If circumstances allowed that to happen, then I'd be doing anything in my power to find access. Besides he does have it, restricted or not. Tons of free internet access.

It's just really odd to me he couldn't post a single update for you guys. He's not in 24/7 isolation. If he can make it to his job, work presumably well enough to keep said job (even when he's super sick) then he should be able to give you guys an update. This task can be completed in seconds.

There's just too many factors that make this sketchy. I get he's reputable, but this is sad.

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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16033 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 11:08:13 »
He's an artist. How do we even know he use a smartphone? For all we know, artsy guys does not even care about data plans. He probably carry a sketch book and pencil, not a mobile phone when he's commuting. And his job is probably in a museum basement or some sculpting warehouse that really have more paint cans then computers. I doubt he's desk bound like many of us.
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16034 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 11:12:43 »
He's an artist. How do we even know he use a smartphone? For all we know, artsy guys does not even care about data plans. He probably carry a sketch book and pencil, not a mobile phone when he's commuting. And his job is probably in a museum basement or some sculpting warehouse that really have more paint cans then computers. I doubt he's desk bound like many of us.

Lol and I thought I was bad at assumptions. Apparently all artists are poor, basement dwelling, and have no phones/laptops.


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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16035 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 11:18:21 »
He's an artist. How do we even know he use a smartphone? For all we know, artsy guys does not even care about data plans. He probably carry a sketch book and pencil, not a mobile phone when he's commuting. And his job is probably in a museum basement or some sculpting warehouse that really have more paint cans then computers. I doubt he's desk bound like many of us.

Lol and I thought I was bad at assumptions. Apparently all artists are poor, basement dwelling, and have no phones/laptops.
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« Reply #16036 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 11:22:27 »
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« Reply #16037 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 11:25:47 »
Still going to open a claim come the 25th to get a idea of how long realistically we will be waiting for these, unless someone from his area can do so and tell him we are more than happy to help him out with anything he needs.

If you do that you face the risk of preventing these from ever shipping.
I fully understand this, but I shall be doing so anyway more to get a update on when to expect them as I simply find this without sounding heartless to what he says is his situation this is still unacceptable to wait 6 months with zero word from the man himself. Anyway to cut a long story short sent him a few emails to just ask if everything is okay and let him know most of us are happy to help him if he just comes and says so I guess now we wait.

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« Reply #16038 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 11:34:01 »
Still going to open a claim come the 25th to get a idea of how long realistically we will be waiting for these, unless someone from his area can do so and tell him we are more than happy to help him out with anything he needs.

If you do that you face the risk of preventing these from ever shipping.
And? That's not on him. Anyone has the right to use Paypal to reclaim their money on an unfulfilled order, that's why the dispute/claim process exists- to protect the buyer from deadbeat sellers (and sellers from scammers). Clack's situation doesn't magically excuse him from fulfilling orders in a timely manner acceptable to the buyer. He chose to allow the situation to get as bad as it has (he could've shipped orders within one week of payment when he was healthy, like originally stated in the winner's PM, and most of this would've been avoided), and as such, he's forced the buyers into this corner with their protection window rapidly closing (if it hasn't already, for some). So if Clack chooses to ultimately fail to deliver ~$9,000 in product because someone/some people claimed their money back, that's on Clack. And that's theft. And that has consequences.

I know there are a lot of younger people involved in this community, so maybe they just haven't experienced it, but when you sell someone something, and you don't deliver on it (as advertised), there are consequences. It's why, in my opinion, as soon as you agree to sell/trade something, you need to do your best to ship it immediately. You don't know if tomorrow you might get sick, break your back, be robbed, lose your house (though this one is sort of less random), or any number of things that would take priority over fulfilling some small internet trade/transaction, so it's best to get the small **** out of the way so you don't have to potentially deal those consequences. And if you do experience consequences, don't avoid them and let them continue to possibly compound over time, instead actually take responsibility and make the situation right as best as you can. Do not be afraid to ask for help either, especially if it's something related to this community!

Anyway, I still firmly believe Clack is legitimately unwell and all that (mostly because of how easy it is for him to clear thousands of dollars in sales for the small amount of time it takes to produce everything, and how it wouldn't make sense for him to ruin his real reputation over such a small amount of dollars (relative to his potential earnings from this hobby)), but zero direct updates in four months is pathetic. It's downright inexcusable, really. So for anyone that wants to use Paypal to get a refund, go for it. I just recommend you open a dispute first (out of respect for his communicated predicament) and ask him to directly refund your money in it (that way he doesn't totally get put in the Paypal dumpster from claims), but if he neglects to do that then seize your money back through a claim and move on.

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« Reply #16039 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 11:39:56 »
People's greed/need for acceptance has pushed them to shame others into getting their money back.
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« Reply #16040 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 11:42:22 »
I think you're making quite a few first-world assumptions here (and I don't mean to target beehatch - sorry bee - specifically, when I say "you're" since these sentiments have been echoed by many):

I'm still in shock that someone went to his home, specifically, to steal his keys. No random break-in would know any better to grab those.

I don't think anyone ever said that only keycaps were stolen. When someone breaks into your house, they usually just take the first/most expensive and easily-carried items they see. A box with keycaps next to electronics equipment is simple, logical grab. You're right - I doubt that a thief went into CC's house and sorted through the items they thought were worth stealing and then grabbed them specifically and in lieu of other valuable items. When you're a thief, you grab what you can and run, and then figure out if it was worth it later.

He's living somewhere. Does he not have any family or friends?

Homelessness comes in many forms. CC could be camping, or living in a vehicle. He could be too embarrassed to burden friends or relatives, or perhaps he has now but for too long. Perhaps those people can support themselves but not the weight of another, regardless of kinship. Not everyone has that kind of unconditional support network, or even a network at all.

How can someone go to using their phone/internet daily then not be able to? It's a hard habit to break. If circumstances allowed that to happen, then I'd be doing anything in my power to find access.

I almost don't want to answer this because I'm not sure it can be done without sounding too cheeky - but an "internet habit" is, through and through, a first world dilemma. On the list of "habits" one might retain in dire circumstances, priorities probably go to things like eating, finding shelter, and maintaining hygiene in order to keep whatever job he's hanging on to, and all while suffering from health problems that likely hinder efforts towards the aforementioned needs. If you have yet to experience a life event that requires your full and immediate attention, one in which everything that is not critical to those moments overrides ALL of the non-critical parts of your daily life, then you are indeed a very, VERY lucky person.

He's not in 24/7 isolation. If he can make it to his job, work presumably well enough to keep said job (even when he's super sick) then he should be able to give you guys an update. This task can be completed in seconds.

Assuming his health is poor, he's likely to be absent/underperforming at work; if he is homeless, it's also likely that he's concerned with his professional appearance in order to continue making money that goes towards trying to live in less than ideal circumstances and keep himself going. A two-second "update" might be feasible, but I wouldn't put it on someone's priority list. He may not even have an ETA. In all likelihood, he knows he has an obligation and is trying to live, work, get by, and still fulfill in spite of his difficulties. I wouldn't want to come here and post that I was having financial difficulties, health problems, and be stripped of any dignity while laying my life bare and, without a known timeframe, subject myself to the clobbering of GH. No sticks and stones, but words can still hurt. In theory, the more the community stands behinds their expectations of CC, the more obligated he will continue to feel; and the more the community writes him off, less so.

There's just too many factors that make this sketchy. I get he's reputable, but this is sad.

This isn't an unrealistic set of circumstances - CC has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly. GH has seen far worse than this, and to those of you that need your money back then by all means - what everyone does is their own decision. CC will have to bear the consequences of this, which is not meant to be a "guilt trip" but rather a statement of fact, since CC has obliged himself to a product in return for people's money; some will stand, some will bail, both are understandable, and ultimately CC is responsible. I agree that this IS sad - but please do not assume that just because you happen to have your health and wealth today does not mean that you will have it tomorrow.

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« Reply #16041 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 11:56:32 »
I think you're making quite a few first-world assumptions here (and I don't mean to target beehatch - sorry bee - specifically, when I say "you're" since these sentiments have been echoed by many):

I'm still in shock that someone went to his home, specifically, to steal his keys. No random break-in would know any better to grab those.

I don't think anyone ever said that only keycaps were stolen. When someone breaks into your house, they usually just take the first/most expensive and easily-carried items they see. A box with keycaps next to electronics equipment is simple, logical grab. You're right - I doubt that a thief went into CC's house and sorted through the items they thought were worth stealing and then grabbed them specifically and in lieu of other valuable items. When you're a thief, you grab what you can and run, and then figure out if it was worth it later.

He's living somewhere. Does he not have any family or friends?

Homelessness comes in many forms. CC could be camping, or living in a vehicle. He could be too embarrassed to burden friends or relatives, or perhaps he has now but for too long. Perhaps those people can support themselves but not the weight of another, regardless of kinship. Not everyone has that kind of unconditional support network, or even a network at all.

How can someone go to using their phone/internet daily then not be able to? It's a hard habit to break. If circumstances allowed that to happen, then I'd be doing anything in my power to find access.

I almost don't want to answer this because I'm not sure it can be done without sounding too cheeky - but an "internet habit" is, through and through, a first world dilemma. On the list of "habits" one might retain in dire circumstances, priorities probably go to things like eating, finding shelter, and maintaining hygiene in order to keep whatever job he's hanging on to, and all while suffering from health problems that likely hinder efforts towards the aforementioned needs. If you have yet to experience a life event that requires your full and immediate attention, one in which everything that is not critical to those moments overrides ALL of the non-critical parts of your daily life, then you are indeed a very, VERY lucky person.

He's not in 24/7 isolation. If he can make it to his job, work presumably well enough to keep said job (even when he's super sick) then he should be able to give you guys an update. This task can be completed in seconds.

Assuming his health is poor, he's likely to be absent/underperforming at work; if he is homeless, it's also likely that he's concerned with his professional appearance in order to continue making money that goes towards trying to live in less than ideal circumstances and keep himself going. A two-second "update" might be feasible, but I wouldn't put it on someone's priority list. He may not even have an ETA. In all likelihood, he knows he has an obligation and is trying to live, work, get by, and still fulfill in spite of his difficulties. I wouldn't want to come here and post that I was having financial difficulties, health problems, and be stripped of any dignity while laying my life bare and, without a known timeframe, subject myself to the clobbering of GH. No sticks and stones, but words can still hurt. In theory, the more the community stands behinds their expectations of CC, the more obligated he will continue to feel; and the more the community writes him off, less so.

There's just too many factors that make this sketchy. I get he's reputable, but this is sad.

This isn't an unrealistic set of circumstances - CC has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly. GH has seen far worse than this, and to those of you that need your money back then by all means - what everyone does is their own decision. I agree that this IS sad - but please do not assume that just because you happen to have your health and wealth today does not mean that you will have it tomorrow.

Peace.

So you answered my "first-world" assumptions with your own baseless assumptions?

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CC has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly.

This is also incredibly untrue.

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« Reply #16042 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 11:59:01 »
This isn't just some kind of situation of someone just hasn't been on in a while and we miss them, CC has $10,000 or more (I can't remember the exact number) and has been out of reach until someone tried to get a refund...If he can handle and reply to refunds, surely he can  get in a twitter length update to address the people that have dished out that kind of money to him here on geekhack.

All in all, I don't have anything tied up with CC, so I'm just throwing in opinions.

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« Reply #16043 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 12:17:50 »
I think you're making quite a few first-world assumptions here (and I don't mean to target beehatch - sorry bee - specifically, when I say "you're" since these sentiments have been echoed by many):

I'm still in shock that someone went to his home, specifically, to steal his keys. No random break-in would know any better to grab those.

I don't think anyone ever said that only keycaps were stolen. When someone breaks into your house, they usually just take the first/most expensive and easily-carried items they see. A box with keycaps next to electronics equipment is simple, logical grab. You're right - I doubt that a thief went into CC's house and sorted through the items they thought were worth stealing and then grabbed them specifically and in lieu of other valuable items. When you're a thief, you grab what you can and run, and then figure out if it was worth it later.

He's living somewhere. Does he not have any family or friends?

Homelessness comes in many forms. CC could be camping, or living in a vehicle. He could be too embarrassed to burden friends or relatives, or perhaps he has now but for too long. Perhaps those people can support themselves but not the weight of another, regardless of kinship. Not everyone has that kind of unconditional support network, or even a network at all.

How can someone go to using their phone/internet daily then not be able to? It's a hard habit to break. If circumstances allowed that to happen, then I'd be doing anything in my power to find access.

I almost don't want to answer this because I'm not sure it can be done without sounding too cheeky - but an "internet habit" is, through and through, a first world dilemma. On the list of "habits" one might retain in dire circumstances, priorities probably go to things like eating, finding shelter, and maintaining hygiene in order to keep whatever job he's hanging on to, and all while suffering from health problems that likely hinder efforts towards the aforementioned needs. If you have yet to experience a life event that requires your full and immediate attention, one in which everything that is not critical to those moments overrides ALL of the non-critical parts of your daily life, then you are indeed a very, VERY lucky person.

He's not in 24/7 isolation. If he can make it to his job, work presumably well enough to keep said job (even when he's super sick) then he should be able to give you guys an update. This task can be completed in seconds.

Assuming his health is poor, he's likely to be absent/underperforming at work; if he is homeless, it's also likely that he's concerned with his professional appearance in order to continue making money that goes towards trying to live in less than ideal circumstances and keep himself going. A two-second "update" might be feasible, but I wouldn't put it on someone's priority list. He may not even have an ETA. In all likelihood, he knows he has an obligation and is trying to live, work, get by, and still fulfill in spite of his difficulties. I wouldn't want to come here and post that I was having financial difficulties, health problems, and be stripped of any dignity while laying my life bare and, without a known timeframe, subject myself to the clobbering of GH. No sticks and stones, but words can still hurt. In theory, the more the community stands behinds their expectations of CC, the more obligated he will continue to feel; and the more the community writes him off, less so.

There's just too many factors that make this sketchy. I get he's reputable, but this is sad.

This isn't an unrealistic set of circumstances - CC has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly. GH has seen far worse than this, and to those of you that need your money back then by all means - what everyone does is their own decision. I agree that this IS sad - but please do not assume that just because you happen to have your health and wealth today does not mean that you will have it tomorrow.

Peace.

So you answered my "first-world" assumptions with your own baseless assumptions?

GG

CC has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly.

This is also incredibly untrue.

Sigh. I was pretty sure I said I wasn't specifically aiming that post directly at you, but -

CC is responsible for himself and his actions, many of which are unacceptable by most reasonable expectations. However, my statements regarding the burdens of homeless, et al. are not "baseless assumptions": you stated that you couldn't imagine a number of those things, so I provided a realistic set of circumstances and their downstream affects for anyone trying to understand how things like homelessness affects people's lives.
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16044 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 12:28:12 »
CC has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly.

This is also incredibly untrue.

Sigh. I was pretty sure I said I wasn't specifically aiming that post directly at you, but -

CC is responsible for himself and his actions, many of which are unacceptable by most reasonable expectations. However, my statements regarding the burdens of homeless, et al. are not "baseless assumptions": you stated that you couldn't imagine a number of those things, so I provided a realistic set of circumstances and their downstream affects for anyone trying to understand how things like homelessness affects people's lives.

So uh, where did I ever state that I "couldn't imagine a number of those things"; furthermore, that I needed clarification from someone like you? I don't believe I did.

If anything, the fact that you dared to say that CC, "...has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly," perpetuates the fact you have no idea about the situation you are even attempting to defend.

Now, go pander to another crowd already.

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« Reply #16045 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 12:35:26 »
CC has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly.

This is also incredibly untrue.

Sigh. I was pretty sure I said I wasn't specifically aiming that post directly at you, but -

CC is responsible for himself and his actions, many of which are unacceptable by most reasonable expectations. However, my statements regarding the burdens of homeless, et al. are not "baseless assumptions": you stated that you couldn't imagine a number of those things, so I provided a realistic set of circumstances and their downstream affects for anyone trying to understand how things like homelessness affects people's lives.

So uh, where did I ever state that I "couldn't imagine a number of those things"; furthermore, that I needed clarification from someone like you? I don't believe I did.

If anything, the fact that you dared to say that CC, "...has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly," perpetuates the fact you have no idea about the situation you are even attempting to defend.

Now, go pander to another crowd already.

Well, by you not being able to give any explanations outside of "it's sketchy" for everything that has apparently happened to CC, it seems like you couldn't imagine any of the logical reasons for his absence; jackie was simply helping you to better understand the situation. And the only times CCs has stayed in contact with the community has been when addressed directly.
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Re: Clack Therapy
« Reply #16046 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 12:43:54 »
I would just like to say btctopre has said pretty much everything anyone should need to know in regards to paypal and going forward with this well said.

I'm going to duck out of this before it start a all out war but can we keep it to just saying what is happening and updates even if you are claiming back please people don't peer pressure others into saying I'm not going to I'm going to its not helpful I will indeed keep everyone updated one if my emails get answered and if hopefully I don't have to but what happens with paypal and leave it at that everyone be civil anyway I'm out for now.




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« Reply #16047 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 12:52:59 »
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« Reply #16048 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 12:56:51 »
CC has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly.

This is also incredibly untrue.

Sigh. I was pretty sure I said I wasn't specifically aiming that post directly at you, but -

CC is responsible for himself and his actions, many of which are unacceptable by most reasonable expectations. However, my statements regarding the burdens of homeless, et al. are not "baseless assumptions": you stated that you couldn't imagine a number of those things, so I provided a realistic set of circumstances and their downstream affects for anyone trying to understand how things like homelessness affects people's lives.

So uh, where did I ever state that I "couldn't imagine a number of those things"; furthermore, that I needed clarification from someone like you? I don't believe I did.

If anything, the fact that you dared to say that CC, "...has tried to stay in contact when addressed directly," perpetuates the fact you have no idea about the situation you are even attempting to defend.

Now, go pander to another crowd already.

Well, by you not being able to give any explanations outside of "it's sketchy" for everything that has apparently happened to CC, it seems like you couldn't imagine any of the logical reasons for his absence; jackie was simply helping you to better understand the situation. And the only times CCs has stayed in contact with the community has been when addressed directly.

I believe I said more than two simple words. It's also not my place to attempt further explain assumptions, it makes no difference either way. The fact is, Jackie went on vividly about something that needed no further commentary. Of course we don't know or understand. Their attempt to help people better understand the situation was purely speculative and didn't really help, as there are too many factors. I can sit here, and think of quite a few reasons for his predicament, but am I going to post every single one so I could start a pity party for someone? No, I'm not.

Still the point is, it's been basically half a year so far, and you guys have yet to see your product. It's incredibly irresponsible, and I don't believe for a hot second that he does not have access to this website. He is overwhelmed, sick, and desperate; and frankly, doesn't want to deal with this ****. Unfortunately, this is his mess. So be my guest and open up those disputes. What kind of guy that is super sick and is back on orders, decides to hold a 4/20 sale/giveaway thing?, then slips away without trace? Shouldn't you at that point to tell everybody what the hell is up with your life, and explain the hold up? Nah, let's just act like everything is cool.

That's what I hate about this anyway. People acting like its cool and super okay that he can take money and promise you ****. Not to mention the lack of communication, that's amazing.

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« Reply #16049 on: Thu, 16 July 2015, 12:57:55 »
this thread became ultra-super depressing...
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