Cherry MX Red vs Cherry MX Brown

[ike2030]

Thanks to geekhack and many other forums I've narrowed down which type of keyboard I want. I play a game that needs a lot of rapid key presses and slides from one key to another. I know red and brown have about the same actuation force, but i tried the logitech g710+ in a store and i couldn't feel the tactile bump. All i could feel was mushiness from the O-rings. For the game i play i have to do movements like this:

I've been looking at the CM storm quickfire pro because it only has backlighting where i need it and it offers nkro over USB. So which one should i get, red or brown??

[tp4tissue]

Thanks to geekhack and many other forums I've narrowed down which type of keyboard I want. I play a game that needs a lot of rapid key presses and slides from one key to another. I know red and brown have about the same actuation force, but i tried the logitech g710+ in a store and i couldn't feel the tactile bump. All i could feel was mushiness from the O-rings. For the game i play i have to do movements like this:

I've been looking at the CM storm quickfire pro because it only has backlighting where i need it and it offers nkro over USB. So which one should i get, red or brown??

if you want SERIOUS tactile, buckling is good.

all tactile mx are subtle when you're typing fast.

Sadly the ultimate layout of the Ergodox is only available in CHERRY mx.

And Layout trumps the switch type when it comes to actually USING a keyboard.


The people who love to TALK about keyboards will tell you differently.

But all avid USERS agree. EDx ftw.

[ike2030]

i think the tactile bump will just slow me down since i wont even feel it and its just extra force. IDK how to embed a video in here but if you go to the link in the original post you will see the keyboard movements i do.

[CPTBadAss]

Youtube links should look like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qm8PH4xAss

If you want a lot of switch reviews, check out this link.

[tp4tissue]

i think the tactile bump will just slow me down since i wont even feel it and its just extra force. IDK how to embed a video in here but if you go to the link in the original post you will see the keyboard movements i do.

Ta DA...................

also, Looking at this game,,  You would definately be served well with an ergodox.. and it is available with any MX switch..

Imagine playing that game, such that you can place the right and left hand anywhere, and you don't have to turn your wrist to match your keyboard, you can just turn the whole half of the keyboard.

[ike2030]

When im gaming i just treat my keyboard like a piece of paper. SInce im right handed i slant the keyboard to my left so ergonomics stuff isn't really neccessary unless its substantially cheaper and actually works well.

[PointyFox]

You'll want MX black switches and contoured keys like DCS.  MX red will also work too, but may result in some ergonomic issues due to harder bottoming out.

[ike2030]

O-rings would help lessen the impact of bottoming out on the reds, right?

[Polymer]

Thanks to geekhack and many other forums I've narrowed down which type of keyboard I want. I play a game that needs a lot of rapid key presses and slides from one key to another. I know red and brown have about the same actuation force, but i tried the logitech g710+ in a store and i couldn't feel the tactile bump. All i could feel was mushiness from the O-rings. For the game i play i have to do movements like this:

I've been looking at the CM storm quickfire pro because it only has backlighting where i need it and it offers nkro over USB. So which one should i get, red or brown??

Browns have a very light tactile bump..you'll feel it when you type (it'll feel normal).  Pushing the key individually makes them feel weird and probably isn't a good way to test it.

You might not notice it but if you haven't used reds, you'll definitely see a difference...the reds will be a LOT smoother, actually quite a bit lighter as well...

[Linkbane]

i think the tactile bump will just slow me down since i wont even feel it and its just extra force. IDK how to embed a video in here but if you go to the link in the original post you will see the keyboard movements i do.

It's not extra force, it's still 45g to actuation. For gaming, I prefer Reds, but Browns, when I tried them, were much better for typing.
Also, there aren't any O-rings on the keyboards. Thought you should know that O-rings are aftermarket.

[metalliqaz]

I prefer MX brown.

[Polymer]

i think the tactile bump will just slow me down since i wont even feel it and its just extra force. IDK how to embed a video in here but if you go to the link in the original post you will see the keyboard movements i do.

It's not extra force, it's still 45g to actuation. For gaming, I prefer Reds, but Browns, when I tried them, were much better for typing.
Also, there aren't any O-rings on the keyboards. Thought you should know that O-rings are aftermarket.

It is extra force...look at the force diagrams...same spring but the tactile bump adds to the resistance...It isn't a huge difference but enough to where you can feel it..using them side by side you can feel the difference...

[Linkbane]

i think the tactile bump will just slow me down since i wont even feel it and its just extra force. IDK how to embed a video in here but if you go to the link in the original post you will see the keyboard movements i do.

It's not extra force, it's still 45g to actuation. For gaming, I prefer Reds, but Browns, when I tried them, were much better for typing.
Also, there aren't any O-rings on the keyboards. Thought you should know that O-rings are aftermarket.

It is extra force...look at the force diagrams...same spring but the tactile bump adds to the resistance...It isn't a huge difference but enough to where you can feel it..using them side by side you can feel the difference...

There's a bump; it's still 45g. The amount of pressure required to go past the bump hardly exists.

[C5Allroad]

On the G710+ the bump is almost non existent. On my shine 3 I can feel a large difference.

[Polymer]

i think the tactile bump will just slow me down since i wont even feel it and its just extra force. IDK how to embed a video in here but if you go to the link in the original post you will see the keyboard movements i do.

It's not extra force, it's still 45g to actuation. For gaming, I prefer Reds, but Browns, when I tried them, were much better for typing.
Also, there aren't any O-rings on the keyboards. Thought you should know that O-rings are aftermarket.

It is extra force...look at the force diagrams...same spring but the tactile bump adds to the resistance...It isn't a huge difference but enough to where you can feel it..using them side by side you can feel the difference...

There's a bump; it's still 45g. The amount of pressure required to go past the bump hardly exists.

See the force graph...compare the two...it most definitely exists..

They both actuate at 45g..but 45g actuation on brown is after the bump (after it drops off from the bump)...on reds it is linear...to actually get over the tactile bump on brown you're over 50g.

[Linkbane]

i think the tactile bump will just slow me down since i wont even feel it and its just extra force. IDK how to embed a video in here but if you go to the link in the original post you will see the keyboard movements i do.

It's not extra force, it's still 45g to actuation. For gaming, I prefer Reds, but Browns, when I tried them, were much better for typing.
Also, there aren't any O-rings on the keyboards. Thought you should know that O-rings are aftermarket.

It is extra force...look at the force diagrams...same spring but the tactile bump adds to the resistance...It isn't a huge difference but enough to where you can feel it..using them side by side you can feel the difference...

There's a bump; it's still 45g. The amount of pressure required to go past the bump hardly exists.

See the force graph...compare the two...it most definitely exists..

They both actuate at 45g..but 45g actuation on brown is after the bump...on reds it is linear...to actually get over the tactile bump on brown you're over 50g.

Two things: first of all, periods do not act as commas, no matter how many you use.
Second, I have seen the force graph. I've also tried the switch and listened to the opinions of many users; about all of us agree that the tactility is very light, hardly noticeable. It might be higher, but it's again still low enough that it's not noticeable.

[ynrozturk]

I just like the feeling of Browns so much more. I never really liked any of the linear switches.

[Polymer]

Two things: first of all, periods do not act as commas, no matter how many you use.
Second, I have seen the force graph. I've also tried the switch and listened to the opinions of many users; about all of us agree that the tactility is very light, hardly noticeable. It might be higher, but it's again still low enough that it's not noticeable.

And people shouldn't make comments about stuff they haven't used but that hasn't stopped you.  Attack my ... all you want...does it help your argument?

No.

Why?  Cause you're wrong.  It requires more force.  That is a fact.  It is an actual objective fact.  You're wrong.  Move on. 

Changing your argument now to "it is more but it doesn't feel like it" should have been your original argument...but you quoted how they're both 45g..which means you completely ignored the fact that the bump requires MORE force than the actuation point...probably because you didn't know....

Game.  Set.  Match.

[Linkbane]

Funny guy polymer. Offended when I point out something unrelated and completely separate it, telling everyone that it has nothing to do with the argument.

Have fun convincing everyone that the tactility is significant. I'm sure that they'll agree with you.
Really it's pretty sad watching you take some self-righteous opinion on and making it seem even more wrong than it is. Continue arguing with yourself. //thread

[tp4tissue]

Two things: first of all, periods do not act as commas, no matter how many you use.
Second, I have seen the force graph. I've also tried the switch and listened to the opinions of many users; about all of us agree that the tactility is very light, hardly noticeable. It might be higher, but it's again still low enough that it's not noticeable.

And people shouldn't make comments about stuff they haven't used but that hasn't stopped you.  Attack my ... all you want...does it help your argument?

No.

Why?  Cause you're wrong.  It requires more force.  That is a fact.  It is an actual objective fact.  You're wrong.  Move on. 

Changing your argument now to "it is more but it doesn't feel like it" should have been your original argument...but you quoted how they're both 45g..which means you completely ignored the fact that the bump requires MORE force than the actuation point...probably because you didn't know....

Game.  Set.  Match.

wo wo wo.......   I am the master of the................ ... ................../ disapprove................................................

I've even got that emoticon for it....

[Polymer]

Funny guy polymer. Offended when I point out something unrelated and completely separate it, telling everyone that it has nothing to do with the argument.

Have fun convincing everyone that the tactility is significant. I'm sure that they'll agree with you.
Really it's pretty sad watching you take some self-righteous opinion on and making it seem even more wrong than it is. Continue arguing with yourself. //thread

I'm not offended at all...I just think it is a pathetic attempt to deflect your mistake. 

The bump requires more force.  It isn't an argument, it is a fact.  You argued they're both 45g so therefore it doesn't require more force..but that doesn't make any sense since the 45g is after bump which is a drop off in force from the actual bump. 

Continue to make your bad argument..hide the fact that you made a mistake....why not just man up and say you didn't realize they were different? 

BOOM.  HEADSHOT.

[tp4tissue]

Funny guy polymer. Offended when I point out something unrelated and completely separate it, telling everyone that it has nothing to do with the argument.

Have fun convincing everyone that the tactility is significant. I'm sure that they'll agree with you.
Really it's pretty sad watching you take some self-righteous opinion on and making it seem even more wrong than it is. Continue arguing with yourself. //thread

I'm not offended at all...I just think it is a pathetic attempt to deflect your mistake. 

The bump requires more force.  It isn't an argument, it is a fact.  You argued they're both 45g so therefore it doesn't require more force..but that doesn't make any sense since the 45g is after bump and after the drop off.

Continue to make your bad argument..hide the fact that you made a mistake....why not just man up and say you didn't realize they were different? 

BOOM.  HEADSHOT.

Polymer... you can chill dude... I think the point is that when typing fast... the bump on browns is below the just-noticeable threshold... It's just too small.

[Polymer]

Funny guy polymer. Offended when I point out something unrelated and completely separate it, telling everyone that it has nothing to do with the argument.

Have fun convincing everyone that the tactility is significant. I'm sure that they'll agree with you.
Really it's pretty sad watching you take some self-righteous opinion on and making it seem even more wrong than it is. Continue arguing with yourself. //thread

I'm not offended at all...I just think it is a pathetic attempt to deflect your mistake. 

The bump requires more force.  It isn't an argument, it is a fact.  You argued they're both 45g so therefore it doesn't require more force..but that doesn't make any sense since the 45g is after bump and after the drop off.

Continue to make your bad argument..hide the fact that you made a mistake....why not just man up and say you didn't realize they were different? 

BOOM.  HEADSHOT.

Polymer... you can chill dude... I think the point is that when typing fast... the bump on browns is below the just-noticeable threshold... It's just too small.

I agree..the bump is really small..not disagreeing with that at all...as I type this with MX browns...But I think the point is, it does require slightly more force..it is noticeable..and unlike what's his face, I'm actually comparing the two right now...it isn't a huge difference but it is slight...

But he goes out of his way to actually convince people he's right when factually he's absolutely wrong...he's even mixing up his facts quoting they're both 45g actuation so therefore they require the same force....which is absolutely false because while both have 45g actuation..they both don't require the same amount of force...And you know what?  All someone would need to say is.....oh..yeah, I made a mistake.  That ends it right there.  But that won't happen.  He's faced with actual facts and it still won't happen...Instead he's now making up some silly excuses...it is actually pretty pathetic. 

[digi]

Reds and Browns have the same actuation force and travel distance. Only difference is the tactile bump in the brownies, either switch is great, just preference. Try them both, you eventually will .

[dante]

Funny guy polymer. Offended when I point out something unrelated and completely separate it, telling everyone that it has nothing to do with the argument.

Have fun convincing everyone that the tactility is significant. I'm sure that they'll agree with you.
Really it's pretty sad watching you take some self-righteous opinion on and making it seem even more wrong than it is. Continue arguing with yourself. //thread

I'm not offended at all...I just think it is a pathetic attempt to deflect your mistake. 

The bump requires more force.  It isn't an argument, it is a fact.  You argued they're both 45g so therefore it doesn't require more force..but that doesn't make any sense since the 45g is after bump and after the drop off.

Continue to make your bad argument..hide the fact that you made a mistake....why not just man up and say you didn't realize they were different? 

BOOM.  HEADSHOT.

Polymer... you can chill dude... I think the point is that when typing fast... the bump on browns is below the just-noticeable threshold... It's just too small.

For me it's noticeable enough for a +15 wpm gain.

[Linkbane]

I typed on it and I feel as if I could type about as fast as blues. It's there, miniscule perhaps, but it's there.
I doubt that it would give me 15 wpm, perhaps 10 wpm is a better estimate. Not a fan of Reds, I can't get higher than a bit over 130 on those.

[tp4tissue]

Funny guy polymer. Offended when I point out something unrelated and completely separate it, telling everyone that it has nothing to do with the argument.

Have fun convincing everyone that the tactility is significant. I'm sure that they'll agree with you.
Really it's pretty sad watching you take some self-righteous opinion on and making it seem even more wrong than it is. Continue arguing with yourself. //thread

I'm not offended at all...I just think it is a pathetic attempt to deflect your mistake. 

The bump requires more force.  It isn't an argument, it is a fact.  You argued they're both 45g so therefore it doesn't require more force..but that doesn't make any sense since the 45g is after bump and after the drop off.

Continue to make your bad argument..hide the fact that you made a mistake....why not just man up and say you didn't realize they were different? 

BOOM.  HEADSHOT.

Polymer... you can chill dude... I think the point is that when typing fast... the bump on browns is below the just-noticeable threshold... It's just too small.

I agree..the bump is really small..not disagreeing with that at all...as I type this with MX browns...But I think the point is, it does require slightly more force..it is noticeable..and unlike what's his face, I'm actually comparing the two right now...it isn't a huge difference but it is slight...

But he goes out of his way to actually convince people he's right when factually he's absolutely wrong...he's even mixing up his facts quoting they're both 45g actuation so therefore they require the same force....which is absolutely false because while both have 45g actuation..they both don't require the same amount of force...And you know what?  All someone would need to say is.....oh..yeah, I made a mistake.  That ends it right there.  But that won't happen.  He's faced with actual facts and it still won't happen...Instead he's now making up some silly excuses...it is actually pretty pathetic. 

Polymer I know too well the RAGE that you feel...

In fact, After the mods banned me for the 5th/6th lost count time... I finally took to reflecting... We may be people with "too much passion" for facts.....  And this coupled with an unchecked ego over the web, results in the heated discourse that often transpires.

We could all be much happier in co-existence if we took the step back to ameliorate our tone of engagement.

I am not above admitting that in the past I may have been overly rambunctious...   

[ynrozturk]

You're actually a very decent guy when you're not rambling about the Ergodox every two minutes.

[tp4tissue]

I typed on it and I feel as if I could type about as fast as blues. It's there, miniscule perhaps, but it's there.
I doubt that it would give me 15 wpm, perhaps 10 wpm is a better estimate. Not a fan of Reds, I can't get higher than a bit over 130 on those.

i believe there was a speed discussion a while back.. and some conclusions were that it comes down to how fast you can "mentally" parse what you are reading..   The influence from the keyboard itself is minimal.

This is relative to ULTIMATE achievable transcription speed... it comes down to memorizing "finger rolls" n-graphs... like t-ion, tre-e, poin-t.. upp-er , those are trigraph, trigraph, quadrigrph, and digraphs

When you memorize the finger rolls of common n-graphs, they can be executed with far greater speed during mental parsing.

VS

I don't really remember how to spell gundanium until I sound it out... which is significantly slower.

[Oobly]

Let me just throw in my 2 cents: I use browns and that little tactile bump makes a HUGE difference to the feel for me and how I type & game. For me, it's a good thing, for others, it depends how they use their keyboard.

Semi-related info: The shock from bottoming out all the time if you really mash the keys can be detrimental to your fingers' long term health, just in case you didn't know.

[ynrozturk]

I typed on it and I feel as if I could type about as fast as blues. It's there, miniscule perhaps, but it's there.
I doubt that it would give me 15 wpm, perhaps 10 wpm is a better estimate. Not a fan of Reds, I can't get higher than a bit over 130 on those.

i believe there was a speed discussion a while back.. and some conclusions were that it comes down to how fast you can "mentally" parse what you are reading..   The influence from the keyboard itself is minimal.

This is relative to ULTIMATE achievable transcription speed... it comes down to memorizing "finger rolls" n-graphs... like t-ion, tre-e, poin-t.. upp-er , those are trigraph, trigraph, quadrigrph, and digraphs

When you memorize the finger rolls of common n-graphs, they can be executed with far greater speed during mental parsing.

VS

I don't really remember how to spell gundanium until I sound it out... which is significantly slower.

That is very true. Speaking for myself, my brain can't keep up with my fingers all the time. I need to work on what you just said - to sync the two together.

[tp4tissue]

You're actually a very decent guy when you're not rambling about the Ergodox every two minutes.

Haha.. there was the thing in the bible warning us about "idols".. The deep-end of such envelopment had beco-meth me at times regarding the Egdx...

But.. sigh.. please do not let my rough-conduct deter any of you towards the impeccable merits of the Egdx.

[tp4tissue]

Let me just throw in my 2 cents: I use browns and that little tactile bump makes a HUGE difference to the feel for me and how I type & game. For me, it's a good thing, for others, it depends how they use their keyboard.

Semi-related info: The shock from bottoming out all the time if you really mash the keys can be detrimental to your fingers' long term health, just in case you didn't know.

I believe this is why they use dampeners in pianos.. because for certain crescendos in charged-pieces, you literally have to get out of your seat and cast ragnarok the keys.. 

I've also noticed many OLD OLD players having to wear these rubber tip things on their fingers because they've damaged the nerve endings in their hand from too-much-ragnorok...

[C5Allroad]

The bump is almost non existent. Doesn't require a HUGE amount of force to pass it. It's very subtle though.

[Linkbane]

I typed on it and I feel as if I could type about as fast as blues. It's there, miniscule perhaps, but it's there.
I doubt that it would give me 15 wpm, perhaps 10 wpm is a better estimate. Not a fan of Reds, I can't get higher than a bit over 130 on those.

i believe there was a speed discussion a while back.. and some conclusions were that it comes down to how fast you can "mentally" parse what you are reading..   The influence from the keyboard itself is minimal.

This is relative to ULTIMATE achievable transcription speed... it comes down to memorizing "finger rolls" n-graphs... like t-ion, tre-e, poin-t.. upp-er , those are trigraph, trigraph, quadrigrph, and digraphs

When you memorize the finger rolls of common n-graphs, they can be executed with far greater speed during mental parsing.

VS

I don't really remember how to spell gundanium until I sound it out... which is significantly slower.

It is true that mental speed determines speed, but that's only a maximum; the keyboard can get in the way of your speed. I need to confirm that I've done a word before I move on to the next one, and using a linear switch or membrane makes me do too way too much rather than the click of a Blue. Also, reds are sometimes light and my fingers tend to make errors because the fingers must move across very quickly and errors can happen when it brushes a key with enough force; this happens less on tactile and stiffer switches.

[swill]

Here are my two cents on the topic.  I have used both switches and this is my experience.

If you ALWAYS bottom out the keys, then you probably will not notice much of a difference between the two.

When I type quickly I don't always bottom out the keys.  Because of this, I find on reds that sometimes I have to actually check to see if a letter was typed when I do not bottom out.  That is the main reason why I prefer browns.  When I type, my fingers know if the key pressed.  There is not much of a bump when you are looking for it, but when you are just typing and not paying attention, it is enough of a bump that your fingers know you hit it.

I can type much faster on browns than reds simply because I know whether or not the key was pressed without having the check.

Hope that is helpful for someone...

[dorkvader]

for that game, you'll likely be bottoming out whatever switch you get. I recommend O rings or soft landing pads to give your fingers a bit of a rest.

Reds don't give any indication when the switch actuates, so you have to learn to "float" your fingers and not bottom out. Once you get this down, typing can be a real breeze. I don't think it'll help your gameplay at all, unless you plan to ride the actuation point on the switches.

Oh, and I recommend a sturdy plate mount keyboard, which should well handle the abuse you'll no doubt put into it

[swill]

I also put o-rings on both my reds and my browns.  I like the way o-rings make the bottom out feel and it also shortens the keystroke distance.

I game on browns with no problems at all...

[tp4tissue]

Here are my two cents on the topic.  I have used both switches and this is my experience.

If you ALWAYS bottom out the keys, then you probably will not notice much of a difference between the two.

When I type quickly I don't always bottom out the keys.  Because of this, I find on reds that sometimes I have to actually check to see if a letter was typed when I do not bottom out.  That is the main reason why I prefer browns.  When I type, my fingers know if the key pressed.  There is not much of a bump when you are looking for it, but when you are just typing and not paying attention, it is enough of a bump that your fingers know you hit it.

I can type much faster on browns than reds simply because I know whether or not the key was pressed without having the check.

Hope that is helpful for someone...

I don't believe hit-confirming would make typing faster.. if anything it would slow it down.

because fast typing relys on rolling the n-graph... it doesn't matter if you're @ 100% accuracy...

[swill]

Here are my two cents on the topic.  I have used both switches and this is my experience.

If you ALWAYS bottom out the keys, then you probably will not notice much of a difference between the two.

When I type quickly I don't always bottom out the keys.  Because of this, I find on reds that sometimes I have to actually check to see if a letter was typed when I do not bottom out.  That is the main reason why I prefer browns.  When I type, my fingers know if the key pressed.  There is not much of a bump when you are looking for it, but when you are just typing and not paying attention, it is enough of a bump that your fingers know you hit it.

I can type much faster on browns than reds simply because I know whether or not the key was pressed without having the check.

Hope that is helpful for someone...

I don't believe hit-confirming would make typing faster.. if anything it would slow it down.

because fast typing relys on rolling the n-graph... it doesn't matter if you're @ 100% accuracy...

If I understand you correctly, I think you and I are saying the same thing... 
- On browns, I never have to check what happened cause my brain already knows. 
- On reds, I have to look at the screen to know if the keystroke registered when I am typing fast and don't bottom out the key.  I find that slows me down.

I am more comfortable on browns.

[Tony]

Red is good for FPS where you press the same keys repeatedly with all your strength. (Duck, fire, headshot, then duck again!)

Brown is good for typing and RTS where you press multiple keys but in different orders each time, and you need to know for sure you have pressed the right keys. (Get gold, build some buildings, then build some archers and fighters, then gather to attack, while continuing to mine golds and stones)

[swill]

^

[soleusrex]

Brown is good for typing and RTS where you press multiple keys but in different orders each time, and you need to know for sure you have pressed the right keys. (Get gold, build some buildings, then build some archers and fighters, then gather to attack, while continuing to mine golds and stones)

For some reason I find this description of RTS gameplay really funny. Mine golds and stones!

[metalliqaz]

All the talk in this thread is so cheap.  It's just a matter of what you prefer.  WAY overanalyzed.

[tp4tissue]

All the talk in this thread is so cheap.  It's just a matter of what you prefer.  WAY overanalyzed.

why cheap

[swill]

All the talk in this thread is so cheap.  It's just a matter of what you prefer.  WAY overanalyzed.

I agree, but if someone does not have the chance to try the switchs before buying, these types of threads are helpful.

[Linkbane]

Here are my two cents on the topic.  I have used both switches and this is my experience.

If you ALWAYS bottom out the keys, then you probably will not notice much of a difference between the two.

When I type quickly I don't always bottom out the keys.  Because of this, I find on reds that sometimes I have to actually check to see if a letter was typed when I do not bottom out.  That is the main reason why I prefer browns.  When I type, my fingers know if the key pressed.  There is not much of a bump when you are looking for it, but when you are just typing and not paying attention, it is enough of a bump that your fingers know you hit it.

I can type much faster on browns than reds simply because I know whether or not the key was pressed without having the check.

Hope that is helpful for someone...

I don't believe hit-confirming would make typing faster.. if anything it would slow it down.

because fast typing relys on rolling the n-graph... it doesn't matter if you're @ 100% accuracy...

Fast typing relies also on your ability to recognize when you've hit a key and press the next one. At very high speeds, the speed in which you type your word is extremely important, and confirming definitely does help. The whole point about a mechanical is not bottoming out.
But I mean, it's no different if you're on an MX Red or Blue if you never bottom out. It's just much easier to not do it on the Blues.

[tp4tissue]

Here are my two cents on the topic.  I have used both switches and this is my experience.

If you ALWAYS bottom out the keys, then you probably will not notice much of a difference between the two.

When I type quickly I don't always bottom out the keys.  Because of this, I find on reds that sometimes I have to actually check to see if a letter was typed when I do not bottom out.  That is the main reason why I prefer browns.  When I type, my fingers know if the key pressed.  There is not much of a bump when you are looking for it, but when you are just typing and not paying attention, it is enough of a bump that your fingers know you hit it.

I can type much faster on browns than reds simply because I know whether or not the key was pressed without having the check.

Hope that is helpful for someone...

I don't believe hit-confirming would make typing faster.. if anything it would slow it down.

because fast typing relys on rolling the n-graph... it doesn't matter if you're @ 100% accuracy...

Fast typing relies also on your ability to recognize when you've hit a key and press the next one. At very high speeds, the speed in which you type your word is extremely important, and confirming definitely does help. The whole point about a mechanical is not bottoming out.
But I mean, it's no different if you're on an MX Red or Blue if you never bottom out. It's just much easier to not do it on the Blues.

but superstar sean wrona bottoms out.

[Linkbane]

Fast typing relies also on your ability to recognize when you've hit a key and press the next one. At very high speeds, the speed in which you type your word is extremely important, and confirming definitely does help. The whole point about a mechanical is not bottoming out.
But I mean, it's no different if you're on an MX Red or Blue if you never bottom out. It's just much easier to not do it on the Blues.

but superstar sean wrona bottoms out.

He only seems to do it partially to me. But Sean Wrona's mind and ability is so advanced beyond most peoples', he can do whatever he wants.

[tp4tissue]

Fast typing relies also on your ability to recognize when you've hit a key and press the next one. At very high speeds, the speed in which you type your word is extremely important, and confirming definitely does help. The whole point about a mechanical is not bottoming out.
But I mean, it's no different if you're on an MX Red or Blue if you never bottom out. It's just much easier to not do it on the Blues.

but superstar sean wrona bottoms out.

He only seems to do it partially to me. But Sean Wrona's mind and ability is so advanced beyond most peoples', he can do whatever he wants.

well... i'm just trend spotting's all.

I believe his ability comes from immense concentration.. it looks as if he forgot to breath at times..

I've seen some higher-up fighting-game players that forget to breath as well.