Question about mx clears

[terran5992]

Nuttin wrong with bottoming out

[ValerieV]

I don't have clears so i don't know about bottoming out with those. I had mx blacks once and hate them with a passion. How anyone can type with that stiff switch is beyond me. It gave me arthritis!! 

[tp4tissue]

I don't have clears so i don't know about bottoming out with those. I had mx blacks once and hate them with a passion. How anyone can type with that stiff switch is beyond me. It gave me arthritis!! 

carpel tunnel *

[Daniel Beardsmore]

See, here's the thing.

I just compared Cherry MX black to Futaba complicated linear and simplified linear, the latter being what I used for three years on the BBC Micro — vintage 1970s/1980s metal contact linear switches as were widely used at the time (Cherry M6/7/8/9, Alps linears, SMK linear etc).

Futaba linear switches are stiffer than MX black, but with significantly shorter travel. Futaba complicated linear is around 2.8 mm travel, and the simplified linear is 3 mm travel. Futaba low-profile linear, that I used for several years on the Master 128, is around 2.7 mm travel.

I bottomed them out for years, as I never noticed that it was not necessary. They never seemed too stiff, but I'm just not a fan of linear.

[Daniel Beardsmore]

Where's the Delete Post button? :[

[ValerieV]

I don't have clears so i don't know about bottoming out with those. I had mx blacks once and hate them with a passion. How anyone can type with that stiff switch is beyond me. It gave me arthritis!! 

carpel tunnel *

Either way it ****ed up my fingers! 

[Daniel Beardsmore]

I guess even in the 80s you could avoid linear (in 8-bit machines anyway) if you got a machine with a rubber dome/buckling rubber sleeve keyboard. I "only" had proper mechanical keyboard with stiff linears ;-)

[PointyFox]

At my previous job, I had linear buttons that probably took around 300g force to press and I pressed them around 7000 times a day with the same finger for over 2 years.  No problems.  I also knew someone there who did that for 17 years, also no problems.

[Daniel Beardsmore]

What was your WPM with them? ;-)

This is my concern with these switch try bags — typing with fingers outstretched is a lot harder than stabbing things with the end of your fingers, and any switch feels good if you just stab at it

Of course, I was probably just stabbing at those linears at first, as it was my first computer

[PointyFox]

What was your WPM with them? ;-)

This is my concern with these switch try bags — typing with fingers outstretched is a lot harder than stabbing things with the end of your fingers, and any switch feels good if you just stab at it

Of course, I was probably just stabbing at those linears at first, as it was my first computer

They operated a machine.  They made motion instead of letters.  Actually, stabbing them hurt after a while and I learned to press them orthogonally to my finger.

[Melvang]

I would tend to believe that it is the impact at the bottom of the keystroke that causes RSI more than the force required for the keystroke.

[Moosecraft]

Yes,the impact causes far more damage than actuation force.

[Daniel Beardsmore]

Yeah, Futabas don't have the hard landing of Cherry MX.

[gh_pp]

I don't understand the design of those boards.  Why waste a lot of room for insert and delete keys?  Does anyone even use those?  I use home/print screen/end and function keys a lot more than I do insert and delete.

IIRC the ctrl-insert, shift-insert copy & paste combo predates ctrl-c ctrl-v (DOS turbo pascal/C++) and are more comfortable to use especially you’re a programmer and need to move code around a lot.

Ctrl insert = copy
Shift insert = paste
Shift delete = cut

Also shift arrow key to select code segment

Basically you’re using both hands and less fatigue than using ctrl-c ctrl-v

same work flow for almost every editor (emacs, notepad, intellij, eclipse, etc)

Hover your left hand on the ctrl/shift keys and right hand on the insert/delete/arrow keys cluster.

Arrows key navigate, hold down shift if you need to select text
Remove? => delete
Cut? => Hold shift then delete
Copy? => Hold ctrl then insert
Paste? => Hold shift then insert


in some terminal programs (like linux terminal or windows secureCRT) the ctrl-c default binding is to terminate a foreground job.

Newer terminal supports ctrl-shift-c or ctrl-alt-c but they are even harder to trigger.

I love the ctrl/shift-insert/delete combos.

[Melvang]

I don't understand the design of those boards.  Why waste a lot of room for insert and delete keys?  Does anyone even use those?  I use home/print screen/end and function keys a lot more than I do insert and delete.

IIRC the ctrl-insert, shift-insert copy & paste combo predates ctrl-c ctrl-v (DOS turbo pascal/C++) and are more comfortable to use especially you’re a programmer and need to move code around a lot.

Ctrl insert = copy
Shift insert = paste
Shift delete = cut

Also shift arrow key to select code segment

Basically you’re using both hands and less fatigue than using ctrl-c ctrl-v

same work flow for almost every editor (emacs, notepad, intellij, eclipse, etc)

Hover your left hand on the ctrl/shift keys and right hand on the insert/delete/arrow keys cluster.

Arrows key navigate, hold down shift if you need to select text
Remove? => delete
Cut? => Hold shift then delete
Copy? => Hold ctrl then insert
Paste? => Hold shift then insert


in some terminal programs (like linux terminal or windows secureCRT) the ctrl-c default binding is to terminate a foreground job.

Newer terminal supports ctrl-shift-c or ctrl-alt-c but they are even harder to trigger.

I love the ctrl/shift-insert/delete combos.

Do these combos still work in the Win 8 os natively?  Or have they been totally replace with the common knowledge ctrl+c, and ctrl+v??

[gh_pp]

they sure do (notepad, wordpad, browers textfield, textarea, URL bar etc).

a lot of these shortcuts are implemented by the controls.

so if you use a rich text control in your app, the control already handled these shortcuts for you.