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Gaming or Being Gamed
« on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 08:29:40 »
Step 1:

Open MS- Excel, any version you want


Step 2:

Type your name into box A1

Type " 999999 " into box A2


Step 3

Close your eyes.. and imagine

Pick any achievement you'd like that 999999 to represent..


Step 4

Now psychologically accept that 999999 is the highest number possible for that achievement


Step 5

YOU WIN!



The process you've just went through is the core gameplay of every addicting modern video game...

That table itself as presented  is the end game representation of all your hard work...



Now they can dress up this table and complicate the Process of entering 999999 all they'd like..

But ultimately....  With respect to the Gamer...  That's what we've done....




This is the last time you trick ol' TP4 into buying your Crap...




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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 08:33:50 »
Well that's one way of seeing it lol. Actually idle games like Cookie Clicker take this concept quite literally, making the process of accumulating numbers more transparent and the entire point of the game (there's a community of hackers around it, too).

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 08:34:09 »
Any particular game you are ranting at, or is this just a general statement?

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 08:50:06 »
Any particular game you are ranting at, or is this just a general statement?

What disappoints me most of all....  is how all of human comprehension, and our awareness of reality is structured around this  SAME  entry process and result checking..


The reason there's a video-game market at all, is to simulate and (speed up) the rewards system in a way our minds can accept and gradually deny the purposelessness of.


I am disheartened by the possibility that life is just such-process cleverly stretched to our attentional limit, as predetermined by a grand architect.

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 09:35:53 »
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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 10:25:01 »
This is a concept I mention now and again to my friends in MMOs. Ultimately what you strive to achieve in an online game is to change an arbitrary number stored on a hard disk somewhere that someone else controls. But then so is your bank account balance. If its not fun to play, don't play for the achievements, the levels, or the items, they are fleeting and ultimately pointless.

Mind you, it helps when you get a mod status in an MMO and increment your level to max in 3 seconds. It makes the reality more obvious, and the year or more others play to achieve the same, somewhat sobering on the subject of wasting time.
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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 13:50:18 »
what is this call of homework?
excel n **** what is this

but dude how many uninteresting threads can you start
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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 14:03:53 »
what is this call of homework?
excel n **** what is this

but dude how many uninteresting threads can you start

My threads are mostly n00b proof..

But this one requires basic excel knowledge yes...

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 14:26:38 »
Any particular game you are ranting at, or is this just a general statement?

What disappoints me most of all....  is how all of human comprehension, and our awareness of reality is structured around this  SAME  entry process and result checking..


The reason there's a video-game market at all, is to simulate and (speed up) the rewards system in a way our minds can accept and gradually deny the purposelessness of.


I am disheartened by the possibility that life is just such-process cleverly stretched to our attentional limit, as predetermined by a grand architect.

Couldn't this also be compared to career and material gain? (possible Rothschild comment inc?)

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 14:32:39 »
Any particular game you are ranting at, or is this just a general statement?

What disappoints me most of all....  is how all of human comprehension, and our awareness of reality is structured around this  SAME  entry process and result checking..


The reason there's a video-game market at all, is to simulate and (speed up) the rewards system in a way our minds can accept and gradually deny the purposelessness of.


I am disheartened by the possibility that life is just such-process cleverly stretched to our attentional limit, as predetermined by a grand architect.

Couldn't this also be compared to career and material gain? (possible Rothschild comment inc?)

of course...

I am bound by the same fundamental question as everyone else..

You do what you do... but WHY?

with video games.. it's clear... because the step before VG is Human..

But what's before Human... 

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 15:10:39 »
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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 18:16:00 »
For games like that, I prefer that zero-player RPG. Saves time.

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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 18:16:59 »
what is this call of homework?
excel n **** what is this

but dude how many uninteresting threads can you start

My threads are mostly n00b proof..

But this one requires basic excel knowledge yes...
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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 18:22:05 »
it's not the goal that matters, its the journey. get it right tp4, ffs :-*

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 01:02:22 »
it's not the goal that matters, its the journey. get it right tp4, ffs :-*

This wasn't meant to be a discussion on fulfillment or the journey which i suppose translates to, momentary fulfillment..

for the Games themselves, I'm merely conveying my worry that what's at the end of every game may not be the final solution...

What then...... I want to see it.. but my lifespan is too short... .........


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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 01:07:20 »
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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 06:29:51 »
Any particular game you are ranting at, or is this just a general statement?

What disappoints me most of all....  is how all of human comprehension, and our awareness of reality is structured around this  SAME  entry process and result checking..


The reason there's a video-game market at all, is to simulate and (speed up) the rewards system in a way our minds can accept and gradually deny the purposelessness of.


I am disheartened by the possibility that life is just such-process cleverly stretched to our attentional limit, as predetermined by a grand architect.

Well, we have to have something to do with all this time...

Now: Got a mortgage on a house achievement! - 250,000G! Gratz!
30 years from now: Paid off mortgage on house achievement! +0G! Gratz! Superlolz! .... now what? Guess I'll start to do the things I wanted to when I was young now that I have the time and a little money to spend, but unfortunately I'm too old to be able to do them properly or enjoy them. Why did I buy this game again?

On a more (less?) serious note, this book is pretty good: http://www.amazon.com/Theory-Game-Design-Raph-Koster/dp/1932111972

It really is more about the journey and the small achievements along the way that make the large achievement actually mean something. It's all just numbers to your logical mind, but to your imagination it's a whole world of adventures.

TLDR; Imagination. Use it and you'll have this thing called "fun". Of course if you don't have one then.... Gratz!
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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 12:04:47 »
Any particular game you are ranting at, or is this just a general statement?

What disappoints me most of all....  is how all of human comprehension, and our awareness of reality is structured around this  SAME  entry process and result checking..


The reason there's a video-game market at all, is to simulate and (speed up) the rewards system in a way our minds can accept and gradually deny the purposelessness of.


I am disheartened by the possibility that life is just such-process cleverly stretched to our attentional limit, as predetermined by a grand architect.

Well, we have to have something to do with all this time...

Now: Got a mortgage on a house achievement! - 250,000G! Gratz!
30 years from now: Paid off mortgage on house achievement! +0G! Gratz! Superlolz! .... now what? Guess I'll start to do the things I wanted to when I was young now that I have the time and a little money to spend, but unfortunately I'm too old to be able to do them properly or enjoy them. Why did I buy this game again?

On a more (less?) serious note, this book is pretty good: http://www.amazon.com/Theory-Game-Design-Raph-Koster/dp/1932111972

It really is more about the journey and the small achievements along the way that make the large achievement actually mean something. It's all just numbers to your logical mind, but to your imagination it's a whole world of adventures.

TLDR; Imagination. Use it and you'll have this thing called "fun". Of course if you don't have one then.... Gratz!

An issue I see here is ..  you don't question  FUN... not questioning fun/good-time, merely grabbing at it...   

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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 12:50:02 »
Any particular game you are ranting at, or is this just a general statement?

What disappoints me most of all....  is how all of human comprehension, and our awareness of reality is structured around this  SAME  entry process and result checking..


The reason there's a video-game market at all, is to simulate and (speed up) the rewards system in a way our minds can accept and gradually deny the purposelessness of.


I am disheartened by the possibility that life is just such-process cleverly stretched to our attentional limit, as predetermined by a grand architect.

Well, we have to have something to do with all this time...

Now: Got a mortgage on a house achievement! - 250,000G! Gratz!
30 years from now: Paid off mortgage on house achievement! +0G! Gratz! Superlolz! .... now what? Guess I'll start to do the things I wanted to when I was young now that I have the time and a little money to spend, but unfortunately I'm too old to be able to do them properly or enjoy them. Why did I buy this game again?

On a more (less?) serious note, this book is pretty good: http://www.amazon.com/Theory-Game-Design-Raph-Koster/dp/1932111972

It really is more about the journey and the small achievements along the way that make the large achievement actually mean something. It's all just numbers to your logical mind, but to your imagination it's a whole world of adventures.

TLDR; Imagination. Use it and you'll have this thing called "fun". Of course if you don't have one then.... Gratz!

An issue I see here is ..  you don't question  FUN... not questioning fun/good-time, merely grabbing at it...   
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Well, I didn't go too deep, but I guess I could. To me, one benefit of leveling up is to have more skills and assets to help others with. Which is a one theme of the game. Leave Azeroth a better place than when you arrived kind of thing. Getting to know the grand architect along the way through experiencing what he's built and direct interaction is kind of important, too. The main thing, really, 'cause the ony things you take with you at the end are your character and relation to the grand architect.

Fun is not the aim, but certainly a nice benefit that happens along the way if you have the right attitude and good imagination.
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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 12:53:00 »
Any particular game you are ranting at, or is this just a general statement?

What disappoints me most of all....  is how all of human comprehension, and our awareness of reality is structured around this  SAME  entry process and result checking..


The reason there's a video-game market at all, is to simulate and (speed up) the rewards system in a way our minds can accept and gradually deny the purposelessness of.


I am disheartened by the possibility that life is just such-process cleverly stretched to our attentional limit, as predetermined by a grand architect.

Well, we have to have something to do with all this time...

Now: Got a mortgage on a house achievement! - 250,000G! Gratz!
30 years from now: Paid off mortgage on house achievement! +0G! Gratz! Superlolz! .... now what? Guess I'll start to do the things I wanted to when I was young now that I have the time and a little money to spend, but unfortunately I'm too old to be able to do them properly or enjoy them. Why did I buy this game again?

On a more (less?) serious note, this book is pretty good: http://www.amazon.com/Theory-Game-Design-Raph-Koster/dp/1932111972

It really is more about the journey and the small achievements along the way that make the large achievement actually mean something. It's all just numbers to your logical mind, but to your imagination it's a whole world of adventures.

TLDR; Imagination. Use it and you'll have this thing called "fun". Of course if you don't have one then.... Gratz!

An issue I see here is ..  you don't question  FUN... not questioning fun/good-time, merely grabbing at it...   
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Well, I didn't go too deep, but I guess I could. To me, one benefit of leveling up is to have more skills and assets to help others with. Which is a one theme of the game. Leave Azeroth a better place than when you arrived kind of thing. Getting to know the grand architect along the way through experiencing what he's built and direct interaction is kind of important, too. The main thing, really, 'cause the ony things you take with you at the end are your character and relation to the grand architect.

Fun is not the aim, but certainly a nice benefit that happens along the way if you have the right attitude and good imagination.


The good you do others is also explained in the context of blind pleasure-seeking..

You take pleasure in helping others take pleasure..

Better place left, means you've done something to accelerate the rate at which this location can bring pleasure....

The act of protracting towards others is not outside of this very (human) box that we 're all stuck with..  the tabular entry process i mentioned in the op



Damn it... copy my neuro image to ramdisk... i want out...


I question the fundamentals.. and it has been relentlessly unyielding

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 13:19:48 »
For games like that, I prefer that zero-player RPG. Saves time.
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« Reply #21 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 13:43:03 »
“It is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end.”
― Ernest Hemingway

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 14:10:25 »
“It is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end.”
― Ernest Hemingway

i don't deny those are pretty words..   but more accurately with respect to the conscious, nothing matters in the end, because the conscious collapses and dies..

Hem's description is 3rd person, as in he's the almighty observer, and HE deems that his subject's Journey and End ,  was Worthy...


so the hinge to YOUR worth if you believe HemWay is the perception of others..


^^  that is the only logical conclusion one can draw from that bit of florid half-truth writing.


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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 14:20:25 »
I understand that memories fade away. Even perhaps the most pleasant memories of a journey. Everything ends sometime, but that doesn't mean its not worth experiencing them.

I am very interested in your thoughts on this, as I've felt your same thoughts after playing some games. For example, I would grind away for months and get to endgame on a mmo, just to meet hackers who simply changed a few numbers to get where I am.

But to me, it's the people you share that experience with. It's all in the people you meet and the impressions you leave upon each other.
"Happiness only real when shared." - Christopher McCandless

You don't have to get to endgame and have a perfectionist goal in mind to enjoy a game.
Just as we enjoy posting on these threads together, we can enjoy gaming without any real end in mind.

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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 14:51:26 »
...

Damn it... copy my neuro image to ramdisk... i want out...


I question the fundamentals.. and it has been relentlessly unyielding
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Well, if you are really serious about this...

<start serious part>
In the words of Solomon (reportedly the wisest man to have walked this planet) at the beginning of Ecclesiastes:

“Meaningless! Meaningless!”
    says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
    Everything is meaningless.”

And at the end:

Remember your Creator
    in the days of your youth,
before the days of trouble come
    and the years approach when you will say,
    “I find no pleasure in them”—

And:

Now all has been heard;
    here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
    for this is the duty of all mankind.

The end. This is where you find fulfilment that isn't just momentary. At least that has been my experience so far.
</end serious part>

On the lighter side, I have been frustrated when playing MMOs and someone I'm playing with uses every trick they can to level as fast as possible or get as much gold as possible while ignoring the story line and it just breaks the immersion and enjoyment of the game. While getting to the endgame holds some sense of reward, the vast majority of satisfaction comes in sharing an experience while playing, especially with people who mean something to you. At least for me.
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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 15:17:46 »
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Damn it... copy my neuro image to ramdisk... i want out...


I question the fundamentals.. and it has been relentlessly unyielding
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Well, if you are really serious about this...

<start serious part>
In the words of Solomon (reportedly the wisest man to have walked this planet) at the beginning of Ecclesiastes:

“Meaningless! Meaningless!”
    says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
    Everything is meaningless.”

And at the end:

Remember your Creator
    in the days of your youth,
before the days of trouble come
    and the years approach when you will say,
    “I find no pleasure in them”—

And:

Now all has been heard;
    here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
    for this is the duty of all mankind.

The end. This is where you find fulfilment that isn't just momentary. At least that has been my experience so far.
</end serious part>

On the lighter side, I have been frustrated when playing MMOs and someone I'm playing with uses every trick they can to level as fast as possible or get as much gold as possible while ignoring the story line and it just breaks the immersion and enjoyment of the game. While getting to the endgame holds some sense of reward, the vast majority of satisfaction comes in sharing an experience while playing, especially with people who mean something to you. At least for me.

hm... the book eh?..  alrighty...lets see


The book says.. Your mind, at least an individual mind is hopelessly inadequate to comprehend the Whole truth/purpose..

To make you feel a bit better... look upon subject xxxx... see how much fun he's had going through life... and that itself was worthy..

If that didn't make you feel better...

There's this GOD guy... and cuz he said so... YOU !!,  stop thinking and be happy... FEAR him... are you happy now??   GOOOD!!..



That's how I read it..... 


I don't disagree... that description is indeed how humans live life...   recognize our hopeless endeavor at complete rationalization of the universe...  the only reason we not kill ourselves... is based on some blind faith, be it God or Science,  that TOMORROW.. ALL might be explained..


I dislike this box nonetheless...

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 15:29:42 »
I understand that memories fade away. Even perhaps the most pleasant memories of a journey. Everything ends sometime, but that doesn't mean its not worth experiencing them.

I am very interested in your thoughts on this, as I've felt your same thoughts after playing some games. For example, I would grind away for months and get to endgame on a mmo, just to meet hackers who simply changed a few numbers to get where I am.

But to me, it's the people you share that experience with. It's all in the people you meet and the impressions you leave upon each other.
"Happiness only real when shared." - Christopher McCandless

You don't have to get to endgame and have a perfectionist goal in mind to enjoy a game.
Just as we enjoy posting on these threads together, we can enjoy gaming without any real end in mind.

Hmm...

By your description..  The trade you describe is (life/ time)  for (experience)..

And Worthy is deemed by at least PARITY between investment and return..


The case of the hacker you met, is your escapade into Envy.. 

And the Envy you describe is dependent upon recognizing the Levels/ Stats of endgame, ignoring all other aspects of play..

And you're right.. even the bible says envy is bad, because it arbitrarily picks one area of non-parity,  while one must recognize that while the hacker got the stats, he may not have had the (fun) as you did..

That's all correct...


All of these notions are however different from my op..  I am not crying foul on life's choices..


I am encumbered by the possibility that  we can not know whether there is or isn't a limit.

and perhaps also by the fact that most evidence demonstrates that this answer, this state of clarity may not occur until universal heat death, OR collapse into the singularity.

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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 16:02:52 »



The book says.. Your mind, at least an individual mind is hopelessly inadequate to comprehend the Whole truth/purpose..

To make you feel a bit better... look upon subject xxxx... see how much fun he's had going through life... and that itself was worthy..

If that didn't make you feel better...

There's this GOD guy... and cuz he said so... YOU !!,  stop thinking and be happy... FEAR him... are you happy now??   GOOOD!!..



That's how I read it..... 


I don't disagree... that description is indeed how humans live life...   recognize our hopeless endeavor at complete rationalization of the universe...  the only reason we not kill ourselves... is based on some blind faith, be it God or Science,  that TOMORROW.. ALL might be explained..


I dislike this box nonetheless...
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Well yup. Kind of. Like any parent sometimes has to do.

And faith in my experience is not blind. Rather scientific in fact. I have a theory, I test the theory and alter it based on the results.

1. We discover / have a sense of / some revelation of something we suspect to be true.
2. We suspect the origin to be Godly.
3. We act on the suspicion of Godly origin and truth of the issue, either by an action or a spoken word (act of faith).
4. The issue is either confirmed by God to be true (either in our hearts or in physical result of our "faith act"), or it is not confirmed, leaving the origin of the issue to be uncertain. This can happen even if the issue has a Godly origin, but is not important for the particular situation / time for the individual.
5. If confirmed, this affirms our sense of the Godly origin of the issue and the truth of it. Thus we refine our sense of truth and God's will and start the cycle again with a clearer knowledge of His will.

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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 16:09:27 »
Wait, what limit are you referencing?

Also, I don't mean this in any kind of disparaging way but I don't think this discussion has anything to do with religion/faith/god. That is going off topic fast.

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 16:23:56 »



The book says.. Your mind, at least an individual mind is hopelessly inadequate to comprehend the Whole truth/purpose..

To make you feel a bit better... look upon subject xxxx... see how much fun he's had going through life... and that itself was worthy..

If that didn't make you feel better...

There's this GOD guy... and cuz he said so... YOU !!,  stop thinking and be happy... FEAR him... are you happy now??   GOOOD!!..



That's how I read it..... 


I don't disagree... that description is indeed how humans live life...   recognize our hopeless endeavor at complete rationalization of the universe...  the only reason we not kill ourselves... is based on some blind faith, be it God or Science,  that TOMORROW.. ALL might be explained..


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Well yup. Kind of. Like any parent sometimes has to do.

And faith in my experience is not blind. Rather scientific in fact. I have a theory, I test the theory and alter it based on the results.

1. We discover / have a sense of / some revelation of something we suspect to be true.
2. We suspect the origin to be Godly.
3. We act on the suspicion of Godly origin and truth of the issue, either by an action or a spoken word (act of faith).
4. The issue is either confirmed by God to be true (either in our hearts or in physical result of our "faith act"), or it is not confirmed, leaving the origin of the issue to be uncertain. This can happen even if the issue has a Godly origin, but is not important for the particular situation / time for the individual.
5. If confirmed, this affirms our sense of the Godly origin of the issue and the truth of it. Thus we refine our sense of truth and God's will and start the cycle again with a clearer knowledge of His will.




I agree the concept of God is an adequate label  for "the SOLUTION" to all..

but.. the endeavor is human..  and what is human but a miniscule piece of GOD..



Should god's will be for us to collect all matter and collapse it,  OR is it god's will to disperse all matter until even rudimentary consciousness can no longer be sustained given heat death..


The issue here is ... whatever the end... it's always at the end... and we don't even know if there is an end...


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the end is the end

the end is in question

the end may reveal nothing upon ending

and Faith is momentary disregard for the end coming



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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 16:27:38 »

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« Reply #31 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 16:29:59 »
I cannot connect these dots.


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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 16:39:31 »
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I get it... it's hard to talk to me...  I can barely stand my own train of thought sometimes..

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 16:42:15 »
I cannot connect these dots.

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There's that problem again.. humans consciousness carry such a varied look-up table..

Our definitions and weighting of each word can be so different...   

There is a point at which I can not convey my thoughts any better for anyone but myself to connect and decode.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 16:50:02 »
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I get it... it's hard to talk to me...  I can barely stand my own train of thought sometimes..
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It's not you. Just the direction of this thread.

On the topic of religion...
My god carries a hammer; yours was nailed to a cross.
Jesus promised the end of wicked people, Odin promised the end of frost giants... I don't see any frost giants around.

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Re: Gaming or Being Gamed
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 10 June 2014, 01:38:55 »

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Jesus promised the end of wicked people...

Really? Where?

Thor is cool, but he's still a "made up" god. Like the gods of the Greeks and Romans. Cyclic philosophies create very flawed and human-like gods. At least Jesus was a historical figure who actually walked this earth.

Anyhow, IMHO asking questions about the "game" we're in and the "end" certainly puts this topic into the realm of questions dealt with by religion.

So far science is showing there was a beginning and there'll be an end, at least as far as anything with a physical body will be able to observe (evidence right now points to the Big Bang and "inflation" having happened and the universe being "flat" or marginally "open" and there being enough dark matter for continual expansion). Which throws cyclic philosphies AND uniformitarianism out of the picture.

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There's that problem again.. humans consciousness carry such a varied look-up table..

Our definitions and weighting of each word can be so different...   

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Completely agree. Each person has their own "worldview" that they filter everything through. Means that discussions of this nature tend not to be very useful unless everyone is willing to hear everyone elses view without prejudice which is nigh on impossible.

In my worldview, this part of the game is not nearly as cool as the endgame will be, but there's still a lot worth doing and learning while here. The inevitable physical end is not the end for me. It's just the transition from the trial version to the full game.




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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 10 June 2014, 02:16:28 »
At least Jesus was a historical figure who actually walked this earth.
Historicity of Jesus is widely accepted, sure. The historical Jesus? Not so much.

Anyway, it was apparently fairly popular to be a messiah. I understand the appeal—watch all those people "see UFO" nowadays.

Cyclic philosophies create very flawed and human-like gods.

They're way more fun. Also, more accepting towards competition. Free market with gods!

Besides, we're born animist. That's even more fun—as long as you don't believe your head of state is a deity too.