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Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:15:34 »
Just as the title says.  I mean even doctors are saying its ok to let kids eat their boogers because it gives their immune system something to practice on.  In my house the closest thing to hand sanitizer we have, is the dish soap.  We rarely get sick and when we do, 9 times out of 10 it ends up being just a head cold/sinus infection.  We also have a 6 year old son and a 2 year old daughter.  I take that back we have one other thing in our house that is anti-bacterial, and that would but our daughters butt wipes.

Seriously germs are good for us.
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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:18:31 »
Because most new parents people aren't rational  :))
Actually most people aren't rational because they're prone to fear.
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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:19:34 »
Because most new parents aren't rational  :))

This is so true.

My wife and I don't freak out when our daughter drops something on the floor and picks it up and eats it.  We just make sure it isn't a piece of a toy that will cause injury or it isn't still moving on its own.
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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:33:26 »
Because most new parents people aren't rational  :))

Amen... always get into it with my wife about how it's OK that our son is occasionally around sick people.

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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:33:37 »
We have a programme on in the UK called Obsessive Compulsive Cleaners. It is about the exact phenomenon you are talking about, where people go to extreme lengths to clean their houses. They go into hoarders houses and start cleaning and whatever, but that isn't the silly bit.

One woman bathes her children in dettol once a week. DETTOL. BLEACH. IN THE BATH. EVERY WEEK. As soon as her kids move away, they are going to die to the common cold. Another woman PAINTS HER FLOOR TWICE A DAY to keep it "clean". Others include getting through a bottle of bleach a day, cleaning the toilet, microwave and ovens thoroughly every time they use them, and replacing all the grass in a lawn with astro turf to prevent mud coming into the house.

Some people. 
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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:39:54 »
We have a programme on in the UK called Obsessive Compulsive Cleaners. It is about the exact phenomenon you are talking about, where people go to extreme lengths to clean their houses. They go into hoarders houses and start cleaning and whatever, but that isn't the silly bit.

One woman bathes her children in dettol once a week. DETTOL. BLEACH. IN THE BATH. EVERY WEEK. As soon as her kids move away, they are going to die to the common cold. Another woman PAINTS HER FLOOR TWICE A DAY to keep it "clean". Others include getting through a bottle of bleach a day, cleaning the toilet, microwave and ovens thoroughly every time they use them, and replacing all the grass in a lawn with astro turf to prevent mud coming into the house.

Some people.

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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:41:00 »
almost no one is afraid of germs, including the obsessive cleaners everyone is talking about.  they're just afraid of dirt and grease.


people really should wash their hands more after touching their penis though.
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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:41:57 »
almost no one is afraid of germs, including the obsessive cleaners everyone is talking about.  they're just afraid of dirt and grease.


people really should wash their hands more after touching their penis though.

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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:43:23 »
Just as the title says.  I mean even doctors are saying its ok to let kids eat their boogers because it gives their immune system something to practice on.  In my house the closest thing to hand sanitizer we have, is the dish soap.  We rarely get sick and when we do, 9 times out of 10 it ends up being just a head cold/sinus infection.  We also have a 6 year old son and a 2 year old daughter.  I take that back we have one other thing in our house that is anti-bacterial, and that would but our daughters butt wipes.

Seriously germs are good for us.
Same here dude. I grew up in the Philippines where we have extremely dirty public locations and people basically double dip with all their germs on a sauce pot when we eat from street vendors yet we never got sick from it. A friend of mine from the US came to visit us and they had diarrhea for a whole week just by eating and drinking our food that wasn't processed and cannned/bottled. It is amazing how our bodies adapt by building it's immunity against bacteria and viruses.

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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:47:31 »
almost no one is afraid of germs, including the obsessive cleaners everyone is talking about.  they're just afraid of dirt and grease.


people really should wash their hands more after touching their penis though.

Oral sex, point is invalid

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i'm talking about urinals at public washrooms where guys go directly from hands on penis to doorknob.

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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:47:51 »
Another woman PAINTS HER FLOOR TWICE A DAY to keep it "clean".

Lolol wut
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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:49:02 »
almost no one is afraid of germs, including the obsessive cleaners everyone is talking about.  they're just afraid of dirt and grease.


people really should wash their hands more after touching their penis though.

Oral sex, point is invalid

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i'm talking about urinals at public washrooms where guys go directly from hands on penis to doorknob.



And that amount of contact you would intake at least an order of magnitude of germ simply by breathing in said restroom, where the contact is still outside your body.
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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 00:51:15 »
almost no one is afraid of germs, including the obsessive cleaners everyone is talking about.  they're just afraid of dirt and grease.


people really should wash their hands more after touching their penis though.

Oral sex, point is invalid

....

i'm talking about urinals at public washrooms where guys go directly from hands on penis to doorknob.



And that amount of contact you would intake at least an order of magnitude of germ simply by breathing in said restroom, where the contact is still outside your body.

i'm not talking about bacteria....

EDIT:

for clarity....i'm talking about grossness.

you can ABSOLUTELY eat feces without any repercussions*...but still gross yes?  i think eating someone elses would be even worse?

*heard of scat?
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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 07:02:18 »
I have heard and read a few articles recently about the resistance and abuse that "researchers" suffered only a couple of hundred years ago when they tried to do things such as get doctors to wash their hands after doing autopsies before going back to living patients. Much less the bother of getting doctors to wash their hands at all.

Fortunately for us, our skin is a fairly effective barrier against germs, with the mucous surfaces of certain orifices surprisingly effective, too, considering.

But mostly, the digestive system is like a dirty tube running through us which has an entire defense system of its own that shields us from a tremendous amount of harm.

PS - it makes my eyes hurt just to think about the babies in the bleach bath!
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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 08:51:17 »
It's the media mongers  scaring people into buying chemicals and drugs that actually make them MORE sick thus selling them EVEN MORE chemicals and drugs...


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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 08:54:44 »
almost no one is afraid of germs, including the obsessive cleaners everyone is talking about.  they're just afraid of dirt and grease.


people really should wash their hands more after touching their penis though.

wash your hands before touching your penis

especially after touching doors, doorknobs, office coffeepot, etc

#goldenrule

i personally wash before and after

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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 08:56:24 »
People should be afraid of “germs”: the wrong kind of bacteria (not to mention viruses) will totally **** you up, or kill you.

On the other hand, people’s hygiene and sanitation methods are mostly totally detached from any real risk assessment or careful rational understanding. There are all kinds of nasty bacteria on the surface of your skin, and all over in the environment, pretty much all the time (indeed, bacteria already living on your body is the main source of infections when some wound breaks the skin), and rubbing your body with hand sanitizer all the time (for instance) accomplishes almost nothing.

The main model/metaphor people use for thinking about sanitation and personal hygiene is a “clean”/“dirty” or “pure”/“tainted” model. The way this model works, some things are dirty, and anything that touches those also becomes dirty, until it has been purified/cleaned. The purification is mostly a ritual; actual cleaning may be happening, but it’s of secondary importance. A critical aspect of this model is that the state of each thing is binary.

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People apply this same model in many varied circumstances, some of which aren’t about “germs” per se.

To take one example, according to this model, whenever teeth touch food, they become unclean, and need to be “brushed” (the purification ritual), because if left in the unpure/dirty state, it’s thought that tooth decay will result.

When people actually brush their teeth, they often do a terrible job of it. The purpose of toothbrushing is to remove plaque that might build up in various odd corners of your teeth. Thus, brushing the easy front surfaces of the teeth accomplishes very little. But people manage to “brush their teeth” in 30 seconds sometimes. People also tend to brush their teeth right after eating, even though that has been shown to be worse for teeth than brushing teeth before eating (or alternately, a few hours later).

My personal model of toothbrushing is quite different: namely, I think the main predictor of tooth decay is diet, and suspect that someone who eats mostly vegetables and meat (rather than sugar or bread or rice or very acidic things) will probably end up with great teeth even if they only brush them once per week (or never), whereas someone who constantly chews gum, mostly drinks soda and fruit juice, and eats lots of processed food will be more likely to end up with cavities even if they brush religiously.

I only brush my teeth once every day or two (or sometimes 4, if I’m e.g. traveling), but I make sure to be thorough about it, getting all the built-up plaque out of the spaces between teeth, the area along the gumline, the “valleys” on the molars, and the back sides of the teeth (especially the back sides of the front bottom teeth seem to be tricky to get to with a toothbrush). In the mean time, I limit the amount of sugar and processed food in my diet, and I almost never drink soda or fruit juice.

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Other examples of this broken pure/impure decision model: throwing away a whole piece of food at the first sign of mold, washing clothes after they’ve been worn “once” regardless of the circumstance, making sure to always wash the outside of fruit and vegetables before eating them but doing a half-assed job of it.
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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 09:04:12 »
LOL. I’m definitely not obsessive compulsive. Indeed, the whole point of my comment is that being “obsessive compulsive” is taking to extreme a model of the world which has only the tiniest connection to reality, and that most people (even the non-compulsive ones, even most scientists and rationalists) use this wrong model to drive their decision-making process, because it is the socially expected model.

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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 24 February 2015, 09:29:06 »
almost no one is afraid of germs, including the obsessive cleaners everyone is talking about.  they're just afraid of dirt and grease.


people really should wash their hands more after touching their penis though.

Oral sex, point is invalid


Actually, considering how much bacteria the average human got in his mouth,
it makes more sense to brush the teeth than washing the penis before :3

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Re: Serious question Why are people so scared of germs?
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 24 February 2015, 09:38:29 »
you can ABSOLUTELY eat feces without any repercussions*...but still gross yes?  i think eating someone elses would be even worse?

*heard of scat?

Diarrhea or worse ahead...
Eating feces will give you a good chance for a E. Coli infection,
probably people doing this **** (lol) take antibiotics and/or puke it out afterwards?