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Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 01:38:14 »
So... I saw in another thread a few people mentioning how different Topre boards hurt their fingers. Have you experienced this? If so, on which brand / board / switch type (variable, 45g, 55g)?
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 01:55:07 »
No and I really don't think they should be :/

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Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 02:31:03 »
Typing on blacks and clears hurts my fingers. Ergodox &QF.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 02:32:30 »
HHKB, no, it is heaven.  Other Topre boards, yes.  HHKB is the one true keyboard.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 02:38:07 »
HHKB, no, it is heaven.  Other Topre boards, yes.  HHKB is the one true keyboard.

So... do you mean "All Topre boards except HHKB hurt my fingers..." or are there some specific ones you've tried that have done this?
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 02:46:35 »
The Novatouch doesn't hurt my fingers, but does jar them enough to be uncomfortable after a while.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 03:26:52 »
From what I've gathered, people with the stronkest fingers get destroyed by T because they bottom out too fast and furious
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 03:36:36 »
At first it felt a little odd, not painful or anything but I have gotten use to it and I love it. I do suspect if you hammer the keys however, it will hurt.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 07:53:34 »
I've never had any issues with my fingers hurting or being sore on my 55g RF . In fact, I've barely touched any of my MX boards since getting a RF because its so pleasant to type on.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 07:56:43 »
no. topre feels great to me, regardless of mounting-style or weighting. :)
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 07:59:57 »
I actually prefer slightly heavier switches so I would like 55g. I managed to last 3-4 hours on a Realforce 10AE. I had to quit after that. On an HHKB and Novatouch (45g)? I managed to last 30 minutes.

I get horrible pain in my fingers from typing on Topre.

I always bottom out. I'm not going to change my style to suit the keyboard. The board should suit my needs. It's a tool for me. So the bottom out has that collapsing dome? That collapse feels very harsh to my hands. Imagine slapping your hands lightly on a desk repeatedly for 30 minutes. My hands feel like that after typing on Topre for long sessions.

I've typed on many Topre boards now (10AE, HHKB stock, 55g HHKB, Type Heaven, Novatouch, this crazy 35g Topre board Dorkvader had) and I've borrowed boards for extended periods of time. Every Topre board I've had hurts my hands. So I've given up on it.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 08:05:25 »
So... I saw in another thread a few people mentioning how different Topre boards hurt their fingers. Have you experienced this? If so, on which brand / board / switch type (variable, 45g, 55g)?
No, Topre boards do not hurt our fingers. If yes, we are just hurting ourselves.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 08:26:31 »
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:14:07 »
I actually prefer slightly heavier switches so I would like 55g. I managed to last 3-4 hours on a Realforce 10AE. I had to quit after that. On an HHKB and Novatouch (45g)? I managed to last 30 minutes.

I get horrible pain in my fingers from typing on Topre.

I always bottom out. I'm not going to change my style to suit the keyboard. The board should suit my needs. It's a tool for me. So the bottom out has that collapsing dome? That collapse feels very harsh to my hands. Imagine slapping your hands lightly on a desk repeatedly for 30 minutes. My hands feel like that after typing on Topre for long sessions.

I've typed on many Topre boards now (10AE, HHKB stock, 55g HHKB, Type Heaven, Novatouch, this crazy 35g Ttopre board Dorkvader had) and I've borrowed boards for extended periods of time. Every Topre board I've had hurts my hands. So I've given up on it.

Confused..  So the uniform 30g hurts your fingers less than the uniform 45g?  But the 55g you believe would hurt the least?

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:23:41 »
Confused..  So the uniform 30g hurts your fingers less than the uniform 45g?  But the 55g you believe would hurt the least?

They all hurt equally; it's just how long I can last on the board. 55g I lasted the longest. 35g I didn't even try typing on for 10 minutes. 45g I lasted 30 minutes. If I had to pick a Topre board, I'd go with 55g.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:36:13 »
55g do tire my finger but I wouldn't say hurt. I'm not a fan of them though. I'm too use to lighter switches having used reds for years. 45g are buttery smooth to me. So comfortable.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:45:53 »
I've noticed that the bottom-out is pretty harsh on my 55g Topre. It's kind of difficult to type with enough force to overcome the bump without bottoming out hard.

I think this is because the actuation force is fairly high and there's very little resistance at all beyond it. So once you've put the >55g force down, you end up bottoming out with nearly all of that.

I'd like to try a 45g and see if it's better.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:52:12 »
Not for me. Though I have not tried 55g. There are some switches that did actually hurt my fingers when used for longer periods. Like blacks and Matias alps. They are so heavy that I feel the strain in my pinky and ring finger after a few hours of use.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 10:26:02 »
I’ve only typed on uniform 45g Topre keyboard for about a half hour twice (once a HHKB, and another time a Realforce), and on 55g and variable Topre boards for a few minutes... so my opinion shouldn’t be taken as authoritative.

Anyhow, I didn’t find typing to be painful, only slightly slow and not very inspiring. Felt like a very nice rubber dome (smooth, solid, etc.), but I despise rubber domes. I give Topre a 6/10 for overall experience after multiple quick impressions.

Topre have one huge advantage over regular rubber domes (either the membrane type or the conductive-dot-attached-to-the-dome kind) in that they actuate before the switch goes all the way to the bottom, and they actuate very reliably. Thus, the key to comfortably typing on Topre boards, as well as certain other switches, like stiffer Alps switches, is to practice using only the amount of force necessary to get past the tactile point of the switch, but not excessively much more: try for loose and springy, not hard follow through. It also helps if your wrists/palms aren’t resting on any surface, so you have the whole movement of your arm to absorb any excess shock. Many (most?) typists used to using rubber dome keyboards or scissor switches tend to mash the keys down with substantially more force than necessary, sometimes like 2–3x more. This results in hard impact shock at the switch bottom, which is really nasty for your joints when you do it millions of times. Unfortunately, on a regular rubber dome that actuates at the bottom of the stroke, you’re often forced to mash the keys because they won’t reliably actuate otherwise.

Cherry MX switches help reduce this impact by having a spring which gets progressively harder to push down all the way to the bottom, which means that even if you use excessive force to actuate the switch, the spring can usually absorb much of the shock. In return, Cherry MX switches (and other mostly linear switches) make your fingers do more work overall.

Clicky Alps switches (and similar switches like SMK, Omron, NEC, etc.), buckling spring switches, etc., reduce the impact by making the force drop after the tactile point very significant and sharp. This clear feedback helps your fingers to avoid putting too much force into the keypress.

With Topre (and some other switches like Burroughs switches which use a torsion spring, or brown Alps), the feedback is rounded, more subtle. As a result you need to spend more intentional effort calibrating the amount of force needed to type.

Personally I think it’s possible to design switches that get the best of both worlds here, but most folks designing switches historically haven’t thought all that hard about it. My favorite solution is the beam/plate spring type switches such as the Marquardt “butterfly” switch (though it’s slightly too stiff for my taste), Alps plate spring, or IBM beam spring switches. Buckling springs would be perfect if they actuated 1mm earlier in the stroke, had a slightly softer landing at the very bottom, and had a springier upstroke.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 10:36:48 »
Yes.. Users have also reported Topre causing hand-cancer, erectile-dysfunction, and anal-leakage...

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 10:37:47 »
Sometimes after a long typing session on variable Topre Realforce (30-45g), my index fingers have started to hurt.
I have not used other Topre that long. I prefer light Topre, such as the variable and I don't usually bottom out on Cherry MX.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 10:40:53 »
Got a question:

So if topre switches are basically modified rubber dome, does that mean that people who get sore fingers from topre will also get sore fingers from cheapo rubber dome keyboards? Kind of stands to reason as far as I can figure.

Just about everyone I have ever worked with in an office uses standard rubber dome keyboards, and I've never come across anyone mentioning finger pain from slamming the keys.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 10:41:27 »
Really interesting that some people's fingers hurt on Topre. I've been using my 55g Realforce at home and 45g HHKB type-s at work exclusively for, must be going on a year now, with no issue at all. In fact more the opposite, I often have to find an excuse to type something :)

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 10:45:36 »
So if topre switches are basically modified rubber dome, does that mean that people who get sore fingers from topre will also get sore fingers from cheapo rubber dome keyboards? Kind of stands to reason as far as I can figure.
In my case, yes. That is one of the main reason why I started using mechanical keyboards.

However, the cheapo rubber dome keyboards I used before the switch were much worse for me than Topre. I also used nothing but mechanical keyboards (Cherry MX, Alps) for over a year from the switch to using Topre regularly, so the Topre pain was not because I was already sore.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 11:31:00 »
So... I saw in another thread a few people mentioning how different Topre boards hurt their fingers. Have you experienced this? If so, on which brand / board / switch type (variable, 45g, 55g)?

No, definitely NO.

I have a Novatouch, several Realforces (uniform 45g and variable weight), an FC660C and a HHKB Pro 2 Type S.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 11:36:00 »
No finger pain at all. I have both 45g and 55g boards. Both are very comfortable to type on.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 11:50:11 »
So if topre switches are basically modified rubber dome, does that mean that people who get sore fingers from topre will also get sore fingers from cheapo rubber dome keyboards? Kind of stands to reason as far as I can figure.

Just about everyone I have ever worked with in an office uses standard rubber dome keyboards, and I've never come across anyone mentioning finger pain from slamming the keys.
Yes. And finger pain from typing on rubber domes is actually very common. Fortunately, most office workers don’t type continuously for long periods of time, but just type a little bit here and there.

In a fairly substantial survey, 15–20% of office workers reported suffering finger pain. That’s less than the >30% who reported wrist pain, or the >60% who reported neck pain, but still pretty common I’d say.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 11:58:33 »
Got a question:

So if topre switches are basically modified rubber dome, does that mean that people who get sore fingers from topre will also get sore fingers from cheapo rubber dome keyboards? Kind of stands to reason as far as I can figure.

Just about everyone I have ever worked with in an office uses standard rubber dome keyboards, and I've never come across anyone mentioning finger pain from slamming the keys.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 12:21:28 »
I'm on a Novatouch 45g and I must confess that it did at the beginning. However now I'm ok with and I must add that I am in love with it too! Damn I love those so much that I sold my Poker and I am considering an HHKB as a replacement.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 13:14:09 »
Very interesting. It seems to be quite an individual thing, some have pain, others don't.

The force curve of rubber dome and Topre boards makes it difficult to not bottom out, and to do so with some force, which I suspect is a big factor in this.

I get pain from typing with MX Blacks and Topre, but for subtly different reasons, although they both have to do with bottoming out with force. On linear switches I tend to keep pressing until I get some tactile confirmation of actuation, which in this case is hitting bottom out. Also, I don't like orings / trampolines on linear switches, probably because it dampens this "tactility". The end result is that I'm pushing them with some force still when they hit bottom and of course this causes strong shock and fatigue. On Topre, the tactility is different, but I still hit bottom out with some force, partly due to the force curve of the switch and partly due to old habits on rubber dome boards, since the feel is similar.

I could learn to not bottom out on linears and to do so with less force on Topre, but like CPTBadAss my board is a tool and should suit me, without requiring a large effort / time "learning" how to use it, and my trampoline modded ErgoClears do that for me. They have the tactility I crave with the combined increasing spring force and trampolines to "rebound" my fingers once I release the force after feeling them actuate.

This could also be the reason that people who switch to Topre after a long time on MX like it so much, because they may already have learnt how to type without force still applied to the fingers at bottom out, whereas some people who go straight to Topre may not.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 18:46:57 »
NO NO NO.  My topre board feels amazing to my fingers, the more I used it the more I favor it over my other keyboards.  It is a silenced FC660C with the PBT keycaps.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 19:02:47 »
it hurts when I don't type on it.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 19:06:50 »
nope and i bottom out hard af
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 19:09:05 »
Haven't experienced any pain thus far. I don't think I will to be honest. I'll come back to you on that once I try out 55g.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 19:43:10 »
Just exactly how hard do you guys type?

I don't think I've had one switch hurt my fingers. Whether it's crappy linear, tactile or topre.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 19:52:38 »

Just exactly how hard do you guys type?

I don't think I've had one switch hurt my fingers. Whether it's crappy linear, tactile or topre.


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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 21:10:41 »
Bottoming out on Topre and MX are different as well...There is a cushion when you bottom out on Topre although it doesn't compress more..it is still far different than MX where that cushion doesn't exist...

I do agree though, you could make your tool adjust to you..not you adjust to your tool...

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 21:59:56 »
I've been using Topre for a week now, and haven't experienced any pain.  Like others have said, I have found excuses to type on it.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 22:19:25 »
Got a question:

So if topre switches are basically modified rubber dome, does that mean that people who get sore fingers from topre will also get sore fingers from cheapo rubber dome keyboards? Kind of stands to reason as far as I can figure.



No pain for me on Topre, that includes variable, uniform 45g, and uniform 55g Realforce's. I do have pain with rubber dome/ membrane, though.


I think the difference is that with Topre there's no need to mash it- just give enough force to get over the tactile bump (where it actuates) and then ride the key the rest of the way down, versus RD+membranes where you have to keep pushing after bottoming out. I can see how if you treat a Realforce as a RD+membrane it could be a problem, though, as the more solid construction and plate will make the bottom out harsher.


On the other hand, I did find that linear Cherry switches made my fingers hurt as the lack of tactility didn't give me any signal to stop applying pressure, so I would bottom out hard while still applying muscle to depress the key. That was no fun, but o-rings helped that a little.


I also don't think I'd call Topre's a "modified rubber dome" as the sensing mechanism is completely different (capacitive vs contact closure), but that's another argument for another time, and is something of a religious debate anyway.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 23:29:30 »

So if someone gets finger pain on membrane or MX, then I would guess that a BS board would absolutely kill their hands? The impact from BS is huge compared to other switches, though I really do like them- closest thing to old school typewriter keys.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 23:33:46 »
So if someone gets finger pain on membrane or MX, then I would guess that a BS board would absolutely kill their hands?
Not necessarily. The very sharp tactile break makes a big difference in my experience.

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 23:34:08 »
Someone seriously said that? No, the HHKB I have is very comfortable to type on.

Out of curiosity, which switches have you actually typed on Oobly?
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 06 March 2015, 01:11:51 »
No, but most MX switches plate mounted do. I think its directly related to very tiny differences in how each of us type.
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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 06 March 2015, 01:32:35 »
Someone seriously said that? No, the HHKB I have is very comfortable to type on.

Out of curiosity, which switches have you actually typed on Oobly?

Yup: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69014.0

List of switch types I've typed on (ones I currently own are in bold):
MX Black, Brown, Clear, Blues, RealForce 55g uniform, ALPS clone (probably not representative of genuine ALPS, but gives an indication of the mechanism), Apple hairpin spring, SMK vintage linear, Model M (bolt modded), Model F.

Variants of MX: Black with Brown spring, Black with Clear spring, Black with 62g Korean spring, Clear with Brown spring, Clear with Black spring, Clear with 62g Korean spring.

All variants of MX listed above with and without plate, with and without orings and with "trampolines". 62g ErgoClears and Browns also with latex mod.

All variants of MX listed above with OEM caps, SP DCS, SP SA, GMK, Cherry thin PBT, Keycool PBT, Keycool POM.

Favourite: Plate mounted 62g ErgoClear with stickers, trampolines and latex, in an aluminium case with sculptured SA profile or thick POM keycaps.

Also like: Model F. Noisy, but nice :)

So if someone gets finger pain on membrane or MX, then I would guess that a BS board would absolutely kill their hands?
Not necessarily. The very sharp tactile break makes a big difference in my experience.

Agreed, BS have a relatively sharp increase in force at bottom out, but the buckled spring provides a good cushoining effect so it's actually not a harsh bottom out at all, at least this has been my experience with my Model M. Most likely they'd experience less pain, but possibly some fatigue from the heavier springs.
« Last Edit: Fri, 06 March 2015, 01:35:38 by Oobly »
Buying more keycaps,
it really hacks my wallet,
but I must have them.

Offline crazystu

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 06 March 2015, 02:40:03 »
I've never felt any pain with my variable weight 87U, or 45g FC660C. My Novatouch does feel noticeably more jarring to my hands however (although still far better than a standard membrane rubber-dome).
My V60 MX Green keyboard feels like it's giving my pinkies a workout!

If you're worried about finger pain, and you have a good typing technique, I'd recommend a variable weight Realforce. Otherwise I'd recommend improving your typing technique, without worrying about the keyboard.

Offline Shayde

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 06 March 2015, 02:53:25 »
I always bottom out. I'm not going to change my style to suit the keyboard. The board should suit my needs. It's a tool for me. So the bottom out has that collapsing dome? That collapse feels very harsh to my hands. Imagine slapping your hands lightly on a desk repeatedly for 30 minutes. My hands feel like that after typing on Topre for long sessions.

That conveys my experience with the Novatouch well, especially the slapping of the hands on the desk because that's exactly how it feels.  However, as someone else pointed out, that's likely because I'm a firm typer, and can move from MX Reds to MX Greys/Greens without my fingers being bothered.  Topre's the only key-switch type I've encountered that actually punishes that.
Collector-of-switches.  Cherry: red, brown, blue, black, grey (linear), green.  Alps: simp./comp. white, comp. blue, Matias.  NMB: white, black.  Futaba: Cherry stem.  Omron: yellow.  Topre: 45g  Various: Apple II+, TRS80 Model 1, C64, Acorn Electron, ZX81 (lol!).

Offline Polymer

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 06 March 2015, 05:52:05 »
I always bottom out. I'm not going to change my style to suit the keyboard. The board should suit my needs. It's a tool for me. So the bottom out has that collapsing dome? That collapse feels very harsh to my hands. Imagine slapping your hands lightly on a desk repeatedly for 30 minutes. My hands feel like that after typing on Topre for long sessions.

That conveys my experience with the Novatouch well, especially the slapping of the hands on the desk because that's exactly how it feels.  However, as someone else pointed out, that's likely because I'm a firm typer, and can move from MX Reds to MX Greys/Greens without my fingers being bothered.  Topre's the only key-switch type I've encountered that actually punishes that.

Would be interesting to see how much shock people are actually getting when typing between the different switches...For example, lightly typing on my desk is so much more jarring than Topre it isn't even close...MX is slightly more jarring than Topre for me if I bottom out...If I lightly bottom out on MX then they're about the same...I'm sure everyone has a different interpretation...

Offline yomammary

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 06 March 2015, 07:05:31 »
NO NO NO.  My topre board feels amazing to my fingers, the more I used it the more I favor it over my other keyboards.  It is a silenced FC660C with the PBT keycaps.

My only complaint so far is a small shiny wear mark on the right side of the spacebar, well that and the fact that I have to remap ctrl-shif-esc on on all my computers by creating a shortcut and filling in the hotkey as ctrl-shift-`
Baby  :-*
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Offline a_ak57

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 06 March 2015, 07:38:51 »
I'm rather curious what's causing the significantly different experiences here.  I'm another in the camp of no pain, and I bottom out pretty hard on everything.  In fact, I actually really like the feeling of hitting bottom on metal plate topre (so much I'm using my FC660C over my HHKB even though I like the HHKB design more).

I wonder if it's a matter of how we physically type, like hand/wrist position and stuff.  Or I wonder if the people experiencing pain are those who don't bottom out on cherry but do on topre due to the collapse. 
« Last Edit: Fri, 06 March 2015, 08:47:53 by a_ak57 »

Offline jamster

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Re: Do Topre hurt your fingers?
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 06 March 2015, 07:52:58 »
I'm putting it down to weak moral fibre  :D

I bottom out hard on everything too. One of the reasons I didn't like stock Clears was that the ramp up force just before bottom out was stopping me from bottoming out comfortably. Recently switched to ErgoClears and I can now slam the keys all the way down so there's more a feeling of shock against the metal plate as the switch bottoms out.

Seriously though, the more time I spend on GH reading other peoples' experiences and opinions, the more firmly I am convinced that this keyboard stuff is incredibly subjective.