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$30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« on: Sun, 26 June 2016, 20:48:56 »
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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 26 June 2016, 21:57:50 »
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"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 00:17:01 »
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The Model-M is more plasticy than a standard metal mounting-plate Cherry MX Brown TKL keyboard.

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 02:42:31 »
Zalman K500 and garbage like that is all over the place.

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 03:13:22 »
Before GH became popular, I could get tenkeyless Model M's for $15-20 regularly on eBay. 

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 05:18:22 »
Before GH became popular, I could get tenkeyless Model M's for $15-20 regularly on eBay. 

Do you think GH's rising popularity has led to higher Model M prices?

There's a faction of Model M fans here (I'm one), but probably not enough to push up the online price for the keyboards.
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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 05:26:24 »
With the recent few years' resurgence in popularity for mechanical keyboards, Model Ms have been in various articles and discussion forums all over the web. The price has risen to around $100 where I live, which is quite crazy...
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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 05:30:43 »
With the recent few years' resurgence in popularity for mechanical keyboards, Model Ms have been in various articles and discussion forums all over the web. The price has risen to around $100 where I live, which is quite crazy...

I re-read iMav's post properly when I switched back to the tab (sorry, iMav :p) and he's referring to the SSK - definitely much more expensive now!

Although I did manage to get my first two full size Model M for $31 total.  Albeit missing a few keycaps and both cables, but that was fairly easily rectified.

Each of my SSKs cost a lot more than that though!
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 06:16:04 »
a surge in people flipping boards for a profit probably

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 07:13:36 »
Our hobby has gone mainstream people..


It's over...   we're not the cool kids any more...
 
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when were we ever "the cool kids"?
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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 07:14:38 »
Our hobby has gone mainstream people..


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when were we ever "the cool kids"?

when le glorious pc mastuh race started saying we were!!!   :cool: 

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 12:05:03 »
Our hobby has gone mainstream people..


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when were we ever "the cool kids"?

when le glorious pc mastuh race started saying we were!!!   :cool: 

I think the QFR was the major turning point at $60 a pop..

Then when the monoprice came along, it was a race to the bottom..

I think we're pretty much at the bottom now that cherry's patent ran out.

This is pretty low tech stuff that anyone can make. .

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 12:27:36 »
What's the concern?
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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 12:58:21 »
SSK prices will take a great big kick in the balls should Ellipse start making F SSKs.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 13:01:31 »
I am not sure about that, not if it's at the price point of his Kishsavers.  Unicomp on the other hand..
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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 13:52:12 »
Well, and some people will pay more for a vintage original.
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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 16:57:57 »
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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 19:54:44 »
Microcenter has had $30 mechanical keyboards for over a year now.  They are cherry(clones) so they are ****e but still worlds above any rubber dome + membrane board. But they are a good entry level thing for people who just want ether a decent board thats not too expensive for want a cheap way to entry the mech world and start collecting like we do now.

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 21:26:19 »
Microcenter has had $30 mechanical keyboards for over a year now.  They are cherry(clones) so they are ****e but still worlds above any rubber dome + membrane board. But they are a good entry level thing for people who just want ether a decent board thats not too expensive for want a cheap way to entry the mech world and start collecting like we do now.

that board is even cheaper on amazon.. $26.99 ..

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 22:53:00 »
I got my Lingyi Blackwidow from Taobao for only 100 CN¥ ($15) about 6 months ago. Had fairly decent Outemu switches in it which isn't bad considering. Worlds above any membrane keyboard.
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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 00:33:27 »
I always vouch for vintage boards if someone wants to try a mechanical on a budget. A Dell AT-101 in good condition is a common, well built, and highly moddable keyboard. I also recommend FK-2001's and Model M's.


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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 07:55:41 »
Normally I recommend vintage stuff for n00bs too, but not everyone  wants to get used and some people(like me) like getting these cheap boards for the novelty.

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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 16:47:00 »
I got my Lingyi Blackwidow from Taobao for only 100 CN¥ ($15) about 6 months ago. Had fairly decent Outemu switches in it which isn't bad considering. Worlds above any membrane keyboard.
IBM Model M is a membrane keyboard.

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 17:21:43 »
I got my Lingyi Blackwidow from Taobao for only 100 CN¥ ($15) about 6 months ago. Had fairly decent Outemu switches in it which isn't bad considering. Worlds above any membrane keyboard.
IBM Model M is a membrane keyboard.

Okay, don't have to be so pedantic. I meant any rubber dome over membrane board.
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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 17:53:44 »

IBM Model M is a membrane keyboard.

Okay, don't have to be so pedantic.

This is not a trivial distinction.

A lot of non-IBM users think of "switches" and get very confused because they don't understand that M/Fs have "mechanisms", but not switches.
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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 18:30:25 »
SSK prices will take a great big kick in the balls should Ellipse start making F SSKs.
not at 350 bucks a pop they wont.  I want to get one of the kishver 77 if he is still doing it at chirstimas time - next spring, but at 350 not everyone would get one. Now if they were around 100 bucks like unicomp a lot of people would get them. Which is why I dont see ssk prices falling unless unicomp makes them or someone for that price.

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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 18:31:07 »
Microcenter has had $30 mechanical keyboards for over a year now.  They are cherry(clones) so they are ****e but still worlds above any rubber dome + membrane board. But they are a good entry level thing for people who just want ether a decent board thats not too expensive for want a cheap way to entry the mech world and start collecting like we do now.

that board is even cheaper on amazon.. $26.99 ..
the zalman? I cant find it if so

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 20:28:17 »
the thing about becoming mainstream, there's good and there's bad.

good because options will start to appear, (tonnes actually), kepcaps, switches, boards, cables, what not. these I think will be good because they are eventually targeted at high end users, I believe quality of products will go up, to differentiate themselves from the current ones, the only way to that is to make them better, (maybe I can finally get a set of dolch keycaps for a decent price).

bad maybe because every mother's son will be using a mech kb, though that might not be ideal for early adopters, it will be able to be used "tell" if you just jumped on the bandwagon, or "have been in it for awhile". so bad might not be that bad afterall.

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 21:20:23 »
SSK prices will take a great big kick in the balls should Ellipse start making F SSKs.
not at 350 bucks a pop they wont.  I want to get one of the kishver 77 if he is still doing it at chirstimas time - next spring, but at 350 not everyone would get one. Now if they were around 100 bucks like unicomp a lot of people would get them. Which is why I dont see ssk prices falling unless unicomp makes them or someone for that price.

Let me rephrase ... if I were to buy a SSK I'd get one of those on ebay that are bolt modded for around $550.  Now between that and a brand new F SSK for a theoretical $350 - who do you think is going to get the money?

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 12:56:42 »
SSK prices will take a great big kick in the balls should Ellipse start making F SSKs.
not at 350 bucks a pop they wont.  I want to get one of the kishver 77 if he is still doing it at chirstimas time - next spring, but at 350 not everyone would get one. Now if they were around 100 bucks like unicomp a lot of people would get them. Which is why I dont see ssk prices falling unless unicomp makes them or someone for that price.

Let me rephrase ... if I were to buy a SSK I'd get one of those on ebay that are bolt modded for around $550.  Now between that and a brand new F SSK for a theoretical $350 - who do you think is going to get the money?

the new one ..  Do i get a sticker..

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 13:38:05 »
SSK prices will take a great big kick in the balls should Ellipse start making F SSKs.
not at 350 bucks a pop they wont.  I want to get one of the kishver 77 if he is still doing it at chirstimas time - next spring, but at 350 not everyone would get one. Now if they were around 100 bucks like unicomp a lot of people would get them. Which is why I dont see ssk prices falling unless unicomp makes them or someone for that price.

Let me rephrase ... if I were to buy a SSK I'd get one of those on ebay that are bolt modded for around $550.  Now between that and a brand new F SSK for a theoretical $350 - who do you think is going to get the money?

the new one ..  Do i get a sticker..

No, but you get a slap on the ass!

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 15:21:55 »
A couple months before last years KeyCon, I picked up two white alps boards from alixpress for $30 shipped.
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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 22:39:45 »
SSK prices will take a great big kick in the balls should Ellipse start making F SSKs.
not at 350 bucks a pop they wont.  I want to get one of the kishver 77 if he is still doing it at chirstimas time - next spring, but at 350 not everyone would get one. Now if they were around 100 bucks like unicomp a lot of people would get them. Which is why I dont see ssk prices falling unless unicomp makes them or someone for that price.

Let me rephrase ... if I were to buy a SSK I'd get one of those on ebay that are bolt modded for around $550.  Now between that and a brand new F SSK for a theoretical $350 - who do you think is going to get the money?

the new one ..  Do i get a sticker..

No, but you get a slap on the ass!


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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 30 June 2016, 07:12:12 »
Were our leaders just stupid? Well, maybe. But there’s a deeper explanation of the profoundly self-destructive behavior of Trump and his allies: They were all members of America’s cult of selfishness. You see, the modern US right is committed to the proposition that greed is good, that we’re all better off when individuals engage in the untrammeled pursuit of self-interest. In their vision, unrestricted profit maximization by businesses and unregulated consumer choice is the recipe for a good society.
Support for this proposition is, if anything, more emotional than intellectual. I’ve long been struck by the intensity of right-wing anger against relatively trivial regulations, like bans on phosphates in detergent and efficiency standards for light bulbs. It’s the principle of the thing: Many on the right are enraged at any suggestion that their actions should take other people’s welfare into account. This rage is sometimes portrayed as love of freedom. But people who insist on the right to pollute are notably unbothered by, say, federal agents tear-gassing peaceful protesters. What they call “freedom” is actually absence of responsibility.
Rational policy in a pandemic, however, is all about taking responsibility. The main reason you shouldn’t go to a bar and should wear a mask isn’t self-protection, although that’s part of it; the point is that congregating in noisy, crowded spaces or exhaling droplets into shared air puts others at risk. And that’s the kind of thing America’s right just hates, hates to hear. Anger at any suggestion of social responsibility also helps explain the looming fiscal catastrophe.  – Paul Krugman 2020-07-28 NYT

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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 30 June 2016, 21:32:37 »
^^^^^^^^^

Interesting, always wondered what switches the cheaper boards used, my Zhuque came with othemu, there's also some with kailh. beenw anting to try something with another brand, but just found out zelios is avail in plate mount, I think i'll check that one out first.


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Re: $30 Mechanical keyboards ?
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 30 June 2016, 21:39:53 »
My Lingyi came with "Content" switches which actually didn't feel too bad. It looks identical to Gaote (Outemu) switches though so I'd wager that they are just rebrands. Swapped them out for Gateron Greens and it is a great little keyboard for the price I paid.
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