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Open Source Sucks
« on: Fri, 10 March 2017, 16:39:09 »
This is a direct ripoff of Bryan Lunduke's Linux Sucks series™


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Open Source Sucks - A Prequel Saga Of The Saga That Was Recorded in 1977
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Bullet Pt. 01 - Features that users care about are often removed only to be reinstated in a later version

Bullet Pt. 03 - Freebies. Remember when you could apply for random free swag on freebie websites? Freebies are crap.

Bullet Pt. 02 - ISOs are complicated. What the hell is a UEFI and why should it matter to me?

Bullet Pt. 06 - The games are terrible and gaming on an open source platform is even worse. Dosbox? Dude, please stop.

Bullet Pt. 05 - Open Source is a giant garbage bin for large corporations to sift through. Sometimes they'll find a part but usually, they try to avoid the smell.

Bullet Pt. 04 - Every day of Open Source is another block on my brick building for self-hatred and remorse.

Bullet Pt. 10 - No support for media made in the late 90s including MP3s and DVDs.

Bullet Pt. 08 - The abbreviation for GNU Image Manipulation Program sounds like a fetish.

Bullet Pt. 13 - No Photoshop or Autocad.

Bullet Pt. 07 - OBS. Open Broadcaster ruined Youtube.

Bullet Pt. 11 - As the popularity of a program or OS increases, the chances of becoming closed source skyrockets.

Bullet Pt. 07 - Forum Hipsters that ask questions like, "Well did you read such and such PDF or Wiki?" Obviously.

Bullet Pt. 09 - Any nefarious person with a monochromatic Dracula avatar can peruse source code for inspiration.

Bullet Pt. 15 - I'm out of Cheetos. But I guess there's still Code Red in the fridge so I won't blast someone on the Ubuntu Forum.

Bullet Pt. 14 - I seriously still can't boot FreeBSD or Remix OS from a USB flash drive.

Bullet Pt. 32 - How old are you?! Get outta here!

Bullet Pt. 13 - No Microsoft Office. Libre Office and Open Office are for Democrats.

Bullet Pt. 16 - Screen tearing is a feature that must be disabled.

Bullet Pt. 19 - Puppy Linux looks someone took Windows 3.1 and mixed it with a cat cucumber video.

Bullet Pt. 21 - Bash was invented so that new users could erase all their data after they saw that one hipster person's t-shirt.

Bullet Pt. 18 - Why do I need to write a script so I can disable the Windows Button while gaming? Then I can't use it in Windows, smart guy.

Bullet Pt. 17 - There are far too many options for color correcting my monitor. Why do I need an external calibration device?

Bullet Pt. 20 - I noticed screen tearing in Doom. All the monsters in Doom are sprites; why the hell is there screen tearing?!

Bullet Pt. 13 - I can't use both graphics cards in my Thinkpad. Bumblebee? Get right out!

Bullet Pt. 15 - If the forks in my silverware drawer were as disorganized as the forks on Github, I would have ants.

Bullet Pt. 32 - How old are you!? Get right out!

Bullet Pt. 21 - Where is the option for 24-32bit audio? Pulse Audio? Heck. Get out of here.

Bullet Pt. 16 - I installed Fedora 25 to get away from X but in the process I unknowingly installed X.

Bullet Pt. 23 - Random OS wallpapers with GIMP'd super models or anime characters.

Bullet Pt. 22 - That one dude's Conky script won't work on my computer.

Bullet Pt. 26 - Where is the iTunes app?

Bullet Pt. 25 - Wine is for drinking purposes only.

Bullet Pt. 28 - The Kodak Photo CD with all my fun memories won't open. Windows? No. I'm using Ubuntu.

Bullet Pt. 29 - Blender was aptly named after the first scene made in the program.

Bullet Pt. 30 - I can't find the programs used in Silicon Valley AND Mr. Robot. Htop? Top? Gnome? i3? Kali Linux? They look awful.

Bullet Pt. 31 - My Raspberry Pi is trying to strangle me.

Bullet Pt. 33 - Why do I need a firewall and a virus scanner? Linux is free of those problems just like OSX. Right?

Bullet Pt. 34 - I Pee tables.

Bullet Pt. 35 - There isn't enough Earl Grey tea in this world to ease the pain.

Bullet Pt. 36 - No touchpads long enough to recreate the controls in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Bullet Pt. 37 - Hackaday made me bleed my own blood.

Bullet Pt. 38 - Remember those multi-touch controls that were developed in the early 2000's? Yea, you can forget about those.

Bullet Pt. 39 - Computational clustering videos emptied my wallet but now I can contribute to the great all-knowing flying spaghetti DDOS monster.

Bullet Pt. 40 - Whenever I boot my computer I'm greeted by a beetle larva.

Bullet Pt. 41 - Gentoo Linux.

Bullet Pt. 42 - The Arch Linux wiki is too comprehensive.

Bullet Pt. 43 - Windows 10 boots in 1/2 the time of Linux Mint w/Cinnamon.

Bullet Pt. 44 - Pidgin is the name of an instant messaging program. Pigeons poop on things--including my head.

Bullet Pt. 45 - There is a Stargate Theme for Ubuntu.

Bullet Pt. 46 - My distro is better than your distro. Something-something; science.

Bullet Pt. 48 - Kernel panic made me both hungry and angry at the same time.

Bullet Pt. 50 - How do I overclock without software?

Bullet Pt. 49 - My *Insert Corsair Product* won't work at all for some reason.

Bullet Pt. 51 - Blender's Mascot is a Monkey named Suzanne.

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Sorry, but not sorry. Anyways, I felt like sharing today. Rereading this makes the hate well up inside, it's a glorious feeling. In fact, I want to keep the hate bottled up inside so that it lasts forever. Can I post this here? If a Mod wants to move this into a garbage bin I'll totally understand.

edit - probably should say that this post is a bit of a satire. I thought people would drop into a serious open source thread just to meme it. #MakeLinuxCADGreatAgain
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Re: Open Source Sucks
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 10 March 2017, 22:01:01 »
I might have gone a tad overboard :))
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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 11 March 2017, 19:16:03 »
:( A huge Debian fan here.

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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 12 March 2017, 00:15:47 »
I'm a firm believer in the right OS for the job, so I find some of these funny, a few I wonder what you were drinking and some I've never had to deal with.

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Re: Open Source Sucks
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 12 March 2017, 00:37:51 »
I get that it's intended as satire but real talk but I do wonder why anyone would move from more consumer-focused OSes to a Linux flavor without knowing the potential troubles. Like, gaming just isn't really a big thing on 'nix for example. It's a really an OS for those who have some grasp on what it does well and not from what I can tell.

OSes aside I think the main thing I appreciate about open source is the ability to find devs more willing to implement new features for single-purpose applications. Closed source is a gamble whether some suggestion will even be considered even for freeware, and there's the issue of abandonware. There's particularly a great range of open source CLI programs which is kind of where devs shine imo. GUIs not so much ;)

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« Reply #6 on: Sun, 12 March 2017, 04:33:32 »
Like, gaming just isn't really a big thing on 'nix for example.
Funny you mention it. Something different was said, when NetHack came out.

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« Reply #7 on: Sun, 12 March 2017, 04:59:49 »
A lot of this was written with a broad base of people in mind. I am still in the process of configuring i3pystatus to replace my i3status bar so that I can have a decent setup when I finally roll my own proper Arch Linux. I'm also proud of myself about my ability to use mocp as my daily music player. That being said, yesterday I tried to change the individual colors of my command prompt and realized that I'm still a noob even after five years of Linux/Open Source :mad: 
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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 12 March 2017, 16:51:52 »
open source 's problem is usually the fact that people don't pay.. so what it gains in -freedom- it loses out in -organization-..

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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 13 March 2017, 16:52:19 »
open source 's problem is usually the fact that people don't pay.. so what it gains in -freedom- it loses out in -organization-..

Open source has a way of acquiring funds. Android is open source and very organized. Although they are one of the most recognized open source organizations. I'm not a developer or of any profession that works with open source software so please take what I say with a grain of whatever salt you might enjoy.

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 14 March 2017, 05:12:28 »
I get that it's intended as satire but real talk but I do wonder why anyone would move from more consumer-focused OSes to a Linux flavor without knowing the potential troubles. Like, gaming just isn't really a big thing on 'nix for example. It's a really an OS for those who have some grasp on what it does well and not from what I can tell.

OSes aside I think the main thing I appreciate about open source is the ability to find devs more willing to implement new features for single-purpose applications. Closed source is a gamble whether some suggestion will even be considered even for freeware, and there's the issue of abandonware. There's particularly a great range of open source CLI programs which is kind of where devs shine imo. GUIs not so much ;)

From a home desktop gaming rig perspective you're right, but developing and hosting software is far nicer on Linux, and has been for a long time.

Literally the only thing Windows has going for it are games and Office. Visual Studio is pretty great as far as IDEs go, to be fair. But developing software on Windows is just silly today.

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Re: Open Source Sucks
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 14 March 2017, 07:29:22 »

Literally the only thing Windows has going for it are games and Office.


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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 14 March 2017, 07:40:49 »

Literally the only thing Windows has going for it are games and Office.


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Ah true, CAD is extremely well supported.

DB? I think management tools probably? I'm not much of a DBA but I think as far as hosting goes everything but MSSQL feels more at home on something else. I guess there's also Access

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 15 March 2017, 09:39:48 »
But it's free and works most of the time.  So that's cool.
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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 10:33:27 »
I get that it's intended as satire but real talk but I do wonder why anyone would move from more consumer-focused OSes to a Linux flavor without knowing the potential troubles. Like, gaming just isn't really a big thing on 'nix for example. It's a really an OS for those who have some grasp on what it does well and not from what I can tell.

OSes aside I think the main thing I appreciate about open source is the ability to find devs more willing to implement new features for single-purpose applications. Closed source is a gamble whether some suggestion will even be considered even for freeware, and there's the issue of abandonware. There's particularly a great range of open source CLI programs which is kind of where devs shine imo. GUIs not so much ;)

From a home desktop gaming rig perspective you're right, but developing and hosting software is far nicer on Linux, and has been for a long time.

Literally the only thing Windows has going for it are games and Office. Visual Studio is pretty great as far as IDEs go, to be fair. But developing software on Windows is just silly today.

What do you mean by 'silly'?
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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 11:16:50 »
Must be at least partly recycled from a long time ago. MP3s?

Also vaguely amusing to post it on open-source forums software running on an open source OS.

Another example of path dependency. There's no reason Linux couldn't be a great gaming (or design) platform other than that Microsoft was in the right place at the right time to provide the numbers of potential paying humans needed to support the cost of game development. It became economically viable to invest a ton of money in the surrounding devlopment ecosystem, talent specializes, and supporting another OS to the same degree becomes a difficult and expensive effort. And then, because the games aren't on Linux, gamers don't use it, so the numbers aren't there, and the cycle of life is complete.

I personally don't care much about games. I run Win7 in a VM in order to use design software (it does get its own video card). This is far better for me than having a separate Win box, because I've never supported Windows, dislike it, and don't want to learn. So I keep a checkpoint of the install from right after I got it set up the way I want, and any time it eats itself, I just revert it. It doesn't get net access, so I don't worry about malware, and I can shut it down and not have to look at it when I'm not designing. But unless you're comfortable getting elbow-deep in KVM and your early boot process, I don't recommend this approach for a couple more years.

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 14:22:01 »

Literally the only thing Windows has going for it are games and Office.


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+ Database
Ah true, CAD is extremely well supported.

DB? I think management tools probably? I'm not much of a DBA but I think as far as hosting goes everything but MSSQL feels more at home on something else. I guess there's also Access

Totally not black and white, everything has its uses.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 16:08:25 »
server 2003 is everywhere,  you just can't get away from it.

Sure you can. I think I had to use M$'s DB once for a contract in the early 00's. Since then, on the SQL side it has been Postgres, Oracle and (when I absolutely had to) Mysql.

If you're running some vertical app for a small market that's entrenched in Windowsland, then you're probably stuck with Sql Server. But if you live your life right and avoid those environments, you'll never even hear about it (except for the jokes).

I'm convinced I kept my hair as long as I did by intentionally not learning Microsoft tech.

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 21:14:31 »

Literally the only thing Windows has going for it are games and Office.


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+ Database

FreeCAD

Basically if your using windows, your doing it wrong. The whole workflow of Windows is convoluted. It's a single space desktop [reboot] without [reboot] a modular [reboot] kernel to where you have to reboot after everything and your lucky if you only have to reboot once. Thankfully we have the XBox ONE now so we don't even need it for games.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 17 March 2017, 08:39:40 »

Literally the only thing Windows has going for it are games and Office.


+ CAD

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FreeCAD

Basically if your using windows, your doing it wrong. The whole workflow of Windows is convoluted. It's a single space desktop [reboot] without [reboot] a modular [reboot] kernel to where you have to reboot after everything and your lucky if you only have to reboot once. Thankfully we have the XBox ONE now so we don't even need it for games.

For CAD and/or CAM, people need a Windows or a Mac. If you read the documentation for FreeCAD you'll notice that (ATM) CAM is 100% experimental which is 100% unusable for any professional. Fusion 360 is totally fine. FreeCAD is almost usable but not quite. I'm using an old box that has both Windows XP and Windows 7 stickers and I'm running Windows 10 just fine. After I pulled out OneDrive everything was fine. Totally fine. And you'll also need a PC for gaming. I have played WoW, POE, Trove, and ROM with wine and only WoW was bearable until it died a horrible death after an update. The Grim Reaper said no. You need Windows.
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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 17 March 2017, 08:54:27 »


server 2003 is everywhere,  you just can't get away from it.

If this is your world you owe it to yourself to get a better job. "Job security" is a terrible excuse, those are called golden handcuffs.

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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 17 March 2017, 16:18:57 »
If 'nix is good for you, then all power to you.  But to say in wholecloth that someone else is doing it wrong just because they prefer windows is a bit condescending.  And yes, I've worked in Linux and MacOS, and am happily on Windows.
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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 17 March 2017, 17:00:10 »
Open source exists, because _free_ software wasn't attractive enough to commercial vendors. The idea behind open source is mostly about efficient development processes, that typically lead to better products (and indeed, Adobe, Apple, Microsoft and others greatly benefit from open source).

However, if we go back to the free software philosophy, the proprietary product (typically associated with vendor lock-in, uncertainty in terms of security/trust etc.) is hardly ever a valid option at all.

It's fundamentally the same as boycotting certain kinds of products or companies, if they're harmful to people/environment. Think Nestlé, Coca-Cola or, say, Nike. They may offer the most suitable product for a certain use case, but that doesn't make them valid options.

Sure, some will downplay the issues with non-free software, because the impact isn't directly visible… that's the problem with the way people intuitively think, though. The same symptoms can be observed wrt post-truth politics or asymmetric warfare.

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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 17 March 2017, 17:02:28 »
Open source exists, because _free_ software wasn't attractive enough to commercial vendors. The idea behind open source is mostly about efficient development processes, that typically lead to better products (and indeed, Adobe, Apple, Microsoft and others greatly benefit from open source).

However, if we go back to the free software philosophy, the proprietary product (typically associated with vendor lock-in, uncertainty in terms of security/trust etc.) is hardly ever a valid option at all.

It's fundamentally the same as boycotting certain kinds of products or companies, if they're harmful to people/environment. Think Nestlé, Coca-Cola or, say, Nike. They may offer the most suitable product for a certain use case, but that doesn't make them valid options.

Sure, some will downplay the issues with non-free software, because the impact isn't directly visible… that's the problem with the way people intuitively think, though. The same symptoms can be observed wrt post-truth politics or asymmetric warfare.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 17 March 2017, 17:08:20 »
You've read more of my posts over time? I was, for example, a hardcore right-wing "libertarian" *before* joining Geekhack (in 2011 O_o I'm getting old).

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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 18 March 2017, 08:08:33 »
If 'nix is good for you, then all power to you.  But to say in wholecloth that someone else is doing it wrong just because they prefer windows is a bit condescending.  And yes, I've worked in Linux and MacOS, and am happily on Windows.

That sounds like a response to me. Apparently you've been blessed by a happy absence of the wildfire-OS wars that have raged since acoustic couplers roamed the net and our forefathers toiled all day in the fields to pick bandwidth to feed the blogs.

I wasn't trying to be offensive or seriously imply using one's platform of choice is Doing It Wrong. It was just a jocular way of disagreeing. Consider it something more akin to the sort of smack-talking sports fans get up to.

And a protip: if OS trash-talk bugs you, stay well clear of the text editor wars. The amount of bile people can summon about That Other One is something to behold. These are referred to as religious wars for a reason.

Edit: Oh, also, recall the title of the thread. It pretty much sets the tone.
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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 18 March 2017, 10:19:41 »
Good point, really emacs is the best OS.

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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 18 March 2017, 11:50:11 »
Good point, really emacs is the best OS.

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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 18 March 2017, 16:18:08 »
Good point, really emacs is the best OS.

...If only it had a decent text editor.

It has a decent terminal emulator, which can run Vim... ;)

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« Reply #29 on: Sat, 18 March 2017, 18:18:14 »
If 'nix is good for you, then all power to you.  But to say in wholecloth that someone else is doing it wrong just because they prefer windows is a bit condescending.  And yes, I've worked in Linux and MacOS, and am happily on Windows.

That sounds like a response to me. Apparently you've been blessed by a happy absence of the wildfire-OS wars that have raged since acoustic couplers roamed the net and our forefathers toiled all day in the fields to pick bandwidth to feed the blogs.

I wasn't trying to be offensive or seriously imply using one's platform of choice is Doing It Wrong. It was just a jocular way of disagreeing. Consider it something more akin to the sort of smack-talking sports fans get up to.

And a protip: if OS trash-talk bugs you, stay well clear of the text editor wars. The amount of bile people can summon about That Other One is something to behold. These are referred to as religious wars for a reason.

Edit: Oh, also, recall the title of the thread. It pretty much sets the tone.

Good point, and good to be made (re)aware of it.  No harm, no foul.  Yeah, have gone from mac to windows a few times (mostly for work, and old mac really sucked to me, and I wanted to kick the sad mac, as much as I wanted to like it as it was pushed at my college), then to linux, then to mac (hoping that the BSD would help) and am back on windows.  But with containers, none of that really matters these days anyway.  Work on python on my windows box, then dockerize it to an ec2 instance.  Don't get the big hoopla.
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Re: Open Source Sucks
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 14:15:29 »
Hello... First of all, I beg your mercy for my bad English...

My opinion is the following: Linux is my preferred OS, so much so that I haven't even any Windows. (Why I use windows, when I have open doors to the free world...?)

But:

—Linux is just far better than Windows, but even far, far at the perfection... and, as I see, it is not suck however in these days it goes deeply and more deeply day after day into the stinky swamp of the unbelievable errors...

For example(s): The bloatware systemd. And the grub2 as well. Yes, I don’t like programs systemd (and pulseaudio, and many other...), I think these are all just bloatware. Why I don't like them? Well for example I really don’t like GRUB2, because I think it’s just plainly idiotic to load a half operating system only to help the booting of the real operating system… And I have such a nasty opinion on X Window System’s graphical subsystem, that it can’t be published in any written form, either printed or as digital pixel, because even my monitor would be embarrassed displaying it...

Linux is free? Well, yes and this is good, either free as beer or free as price. Okay. Opensource? Yes, it is the best attribute of it! Okay. But this means unfortunatelly a sad consequence too: all low-educated (in software-sciences) people try to develop it, then they exhibit their unimportant and negligable creations as something world-famous work and discovery. Sorry but meseems the Linux community adopt it step by step the behaviour of the Microsoft, Google, etc, whose new products in the 99% of cases is no more than a new graphical design, for example rounded corners of textboxes. Or in the even worse case something big, monstrous bloatware ****-dump, which is on the one hand absolutely superfluous, on the other hand full with errors. (systemd...)

Look at the lines below, a few months ago I created a joke about it, it is long but hopefully amazing:

What the software developer had in mind when he wrote, that…
Using the program requires no particular IT expertise…
= I made it for morons, it can do nothing more, than what a moron would ever need.

The program has a completely user-friendly interface…
= Totally impossible to use without a mouse.

Modern design…
= Nothing at all will be located where and how you’re used to it, moreover, even the most basic function takes the best part of an hour to find.

Uncluttered user interface…
= Every function was left out that you used and loved in the previous versions, and you can’t even put them back in, without rewriting a 30 K binary config file in a hex editor. In worse cases, even that won’t get them back.

The software is perfectly usable with keyboard commands…
= This might be true, all you need to remember, that for ‘bold’ formatting, you need to use LeftShift+LeftControl+AltGr+K, then Esc twice, then a colon. A command prompt will appear, where you just need to type the text BoldStartNow, then Enter, than Esc, twice. Disabling ‘bold’ uses the same method, only the text should be BoldStartOff. Oh, and this only works of you typed ‘EnableBoldFormatUse’ into the file $HOME/.SuperProgi.rc before launching it, but this is only executed by program, if the /etc/SuperProgi/config.global file contains the ’BoldFormatUse = EnableAllUser’ line, and the respective user is included in the SuperProgi user group. But even this is only taken into account, if it is translated from the source code, while the necessary configure script is called with the --BoldFormatUsing=IndividualPossibilities.

The program has a number of other functions…
= On which you will not find a single description, not even in English, since these functions are only spreading by word of mouth among developers, so at best you can only familiarize yourself with them if you read through at least 3 years of mailing list archives of the program’s developers.

Please read the README file before installation…
= That is in English for sure, and even if you speak English, you will have no chance of understanding it, unless you had serious IT trainings and a few years of experience.

For further optimisation possibilities, please run the configure script with the --help switch before installation…
Advanced version of the last point, for highly advanced users.

Please set the appropriate paths at the beginning of the Makefile before installation…
= Give up at this point, if you are not as familiar with your system setup, as physician is familiar with the inner workings of the endocrine system.

Please set options to your liking with the required modification of the config.h file before installation...
= Installing the program requires highly specific knowledge of C and C++ programming languages, furthermore, it is highly likely that even using it would not be advised for someone, who is not a bug-eyed, out of his mind, budding hacker, murmuring hexadecimal code.

The software is highly scriptable...
= Something you will need a lot, because everything is omitted that would make it usable, it is more like a framework, you need to script all functions you need, for what you need knowledge of the applicable programming language, of course.

One of the greatest strengths of the software that macros can be easily created...
= Unfortunately for this you will surely need the install JavaScript, something you easily lived without.

Has an aesthetically pleasing user interface...
= I could have wrote this whole thing in 20 kilobytes, but then no one would be astonished by my programming genius. So I went and spiced it up with heaps of totally useless, but spectacular junk, so it flashes, makes sounds, whistles, moves its icons around and all, so now it is not better by a fraction, at least now it does not take 20 kilobytes, but does not even start unless you have 2 gbs of RAM. On the other hand, this way those unintelligent idiots, who get crazy about useless fancy crap, are all over it.

Please make sure before installation that you have libraries of the appropriate version...
= If your system is older than a fortnight, you will not be able to install.

rolling release...
= Check the developers website daily, and update if there is any news, because if you miss like three occasions, than the update will bin your system instantly.

Regular updates will be published...
= This one though, the one you can install now, is no more than a crappy, bodged **** of a software, but we do not wish to deal with it now, just bag the accolades. If we will have the time, we will bodge it little-by-little until it can be used for something. If we won’t have time, then sorry, but that’s what you get.

The user interface received minor updates...
= None of the templates and skins you worked so hard for will ever work again with the new version.

The software is internationalised...
= Available in all languages, except your native.

Contributions to the localization are welcome...
= Translate it for yourself!

New languages can be added easily...
= For this you need the create the appropriate .po file, unfortunately it can only be edited with a special software.

Now setup please the relevant codepage...
= No matter what you do, ‘ő’ and ‘ű’ will never be displayed correctly.

The program uses UTF-8 encoding...
= In all your older documents, a bunch of weird characters or nothing will appear, instead of accented letters.

The less important functions are still available...
= Things that you could simply click on before are now 10 clicks away, hidden in the depths of the eighth submenu.

A number of new functions were implemented...
= We included a bunch of stuff that we know is completely useless for 99.999% of the users, but we had to do something, so that we could say we made the thing better and it is being developed. We don’t give a **** if that quadrupled the size and requirements. Buy a better computer if you want to use it!

Entirely compatible with earlier versions...
= We’re great kids, because we could pull off something that should be absolutely self-evident, expected and natural for normal people.

Uses its own graphic library...
= Forget running it, unless you got at least 2 GB of free RAM on your machine.

Using the program can be learnt from the man pages created during the installation...
= The man pages will only be on your computer, if you have installed DocBook, LibXSLT, TexInfo and Python3 necessary for generating them.

In case the configure script would require any dependencies...
= I was too lazy the gather whatever my program needs.

for this you need the have the necessary drivers...
= for which you need to compile a new up-to-date kernel...

Following the installation, please create the necessary configuration files...
= The programs is exclusively for hardcore/expert Linux users, who are console maniacs.

With the Ncurses interface...
= It has no decent graphic user interface, it’s made only for ‘highly advanced’ users, beginners should forget about using this software.

It is perfectly customisable and controllable with a number of command switches...
= A detailed description for these switches didn’t even fit into a 200 page document, keep in mind, though that the variations also matter, as are they are in complex interrelations. While there is a Hungarian description on this, it has been updated 7 years ago and is now obsolete. English man pages are newer but also obsolete. The current document is also in English, but it is only available in .info files, that cannot be read on your computer unless you install a special software.

This is a frontend/GUI for the xxx program...
= I chose the 3 functions out of the xxx’s 45764338 functions I needed most, I created a spectacular program for those, hoping that the half-idiot users who are afraid of using the command prompt will get onto it. None of the other functions are accessed by this program, though.

A number of hotkeys make our work easier...
= The program is either completely useless with a mouse, or just barely usable, and even the mouse specific functions aren’t tested thoroughly.

Fills and important gap...
= No program was ever created to do this, meaning that you are a beta-tester, who we experiment on!

Feedback can be provided on our mailing list...
= Solve your problems among yourselves, do not annoy me with it.

A tasteful design, based on user feedback...
= I asked my father, my mom and girlfriend about it. My parents shrugged, since they don’t use a computer at all, my girlfriend agreed with me, but that is exactly why she is my girlfriend.

Most problems of this type can be resolved by using the appropriate patch...
= No chance of installing it without a ‘pilot exam’, not even sure if you can use it if you have it installed by someone else.

Can be downloaded using ‘git’...
= This crap-heap is still a pre-alpha version, which is in its experimental stage to such an extent, that even its own developer thought it’s not worth compressing to a .tar.bz2 file. Most probably none of its functions will work properly, that is when you successfully install it. Good luck with that.

Provides room for using regular expressions...
= If you’re not in IT, forget about this program.

After setting the appropriate permissions...
= You can’t even install it without administrator permissions.

It is also required that the sh symlink points to the bash shell...
= I was too lazy to code it to be portable.

‘Warning’ messages shown during compilation should be ignored...
= I did not give a ****, if it will just work, that’s fine with me, I will take my time ****ing around with optimization, type-validation, security and the aesthetics of the code in case a more serious problem arose. I mean, if I get the problem. If it comes up for a user, it does not matter, since I included in the license that I take no responsibility whatsoever.

The program does not need many dependencies...
= Yes, really, only 3 other programs, that is not than many. Unfortunately, each of the three programs require a further 8-10 programs as dependencies, and they require a number of other stuff that was not installed before, and a further 47 things that you might already have, but they are not recent enough. All in all this program that ‘does not need many dependencies’ can only be installed and used if you replace 75% of your current system, and you also install a further 1.5 gigs of new programs you never needed before.

Previous versions of the program should be removed before installation...
= I did not care about the backward compatibility of my program, moreover, it’s so primitive, that it is neither able to check whether it has been installed before, nor can it prevent doing something stupid in that case.

The program was not created for beginner Linux users...
= I wrote it for myself, and I don’t give a flying **** whether anyone uses it besides me, the only reason I posted it online is for you to admire it, and the utter genius I am!


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Re: Open Source Sucks
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 02 December 2018, 10:16:34 »
Why Red Hat..?  Why..?   :confused:

edit - the gaming on Linux bullet point is kinda outdated now thanks to Steam and their Proton.
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Re: Open Source Sucks
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 02 December 2018, 16:49:23 »
For CAD and/or CAM, people need a Windows or a Mac.
Cad/Cam support on Mac is better than it is on Linux, but it still lags far behind Windows.

For 3d Printing, Linux is almost on par with Windows, with Mac lagging behind, which makes sense, since home 3d printers began as open source, and despite corporate efforts to change that, have yet to.
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Re: Open Source Sucks
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 02 December 2018, 18:20:27 »
For CAD and/or CAM, people need a Windows or a Mac.
Cad/Cam support on Mac is better than it is on Linux, but it still lags far behind Windows.

For 3d Printing, Linux is almost on par with Windows, with Mac lagging behind, which makes sense, since home 3d printers began as open source, and despite corporate efforts to change that, have yet to.

Have you tried any of the products from the Lulzbot lineup?
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Re: Open Source Sucks
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 02 December 2018, 21:11:07 »
Have you tried any of the products from the Lulzbot lineup?

I know them quite well.
Their printers, while they have some shortcomings, are one of only handful I will actually recommend to people, especially someone new to 3d printing.
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Re: Open Source Sucks
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 03 December 2018, 08:31:43 »
Have you tried any of the products from the Lulzbot lineup?

I know them quite well.
Their printers, while they have some shortcomings, are one of only handful I will actually recommend to people, especially someone new to 3d printing.

Awesome. I like what they do, it's good to know they have a product that sells itself :)
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