List of Vegan Drawbacks

[tp4tissue]

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#1

Too many Vegan Threads and Intrusive Vegan Thoughts..

_______ Even right now,  Tp4 is thinking about the type of Rice he's going to get next week.. and whether artichokes will finally go on sale..



#2

Monthly food bill increased ~45%

_______ Tofu and vegetables are xpensive
_______ Rice is xpensive (80% of tp4 calories) ~438grams of raw rice cooked per day, 1600 calories.

_______ costco rotisserie chicken and Ramen is Unreasonably cheap in comparison



#3

Bathroom use + 65%

_______ Excessively regular, p00ps after every meal
_______ Doubles cost of toilet paper..



#4

Too much mental energy and clarity

_______ Require significantly less sleep , minus 1.5 hours, down to 5.5 - 6.5
_______ Wakes up every morning happy with a smile, 

____________ Tp4 dislikes this, He prefers to be groggy, mildly hopeless with a tinge of suicidal rage



#5

Really can't eat with other people without drawing attention

_______ Don't know how NINJA vegans do it, 
____________ What's on Tp4's plate looks so obviously different from everyone else's, it's glaring
____________ You come back from the buffet table,  everything on your plate is green or white, everyone else has alot of brown and golden yellow..
_________________ This is a very big deal, because breaking bread is the most common common ground
_________________ Now people like Tp4 even less..



_______ Tp4 now has to lie all the time, that He's been getting indigestion.. 
____________  Tp4 doesn't know how long people usually get indigestion for,  but Tp4 foresees indigestion for the rest of his life in company



#6

No longer require skincare products

_______ Tp4 enjoyed reading reviews on amazon, then have it arrive only to be thoroughly disappointed that it didn't make Tp4 look more attractive ..

____________ So that he can read yet more reviews on amazon.. and order yet more -- stuff that won't work --, shutup, lies,  Tp4 doesn't have a problem, other than being vegan..



#7

Too much focus and drive

_______ Used to be able to shuffle responsibilities around, because Tp4 was too doughy and mentally unfocused to do complete them

____________ Now that Tp4 haz so much Life-Force,  he's ran out of reasons to procrastinate..



#8

Too much physical endurance

_______ the Normal Tp4 xercise bike 25min each morning doesn't feel like a workout anymore
_______ By the end of the day, Tp4 Still has alot of excess physical bounciness left..


#9

No more headaches

_______ Tp4 hasn't had a single (Real, not faking it to get out of wurk) headache since starting this.

____________ Now Tp4 has to lie all the time about having a headache to get out of stuff.
_________________ Prior, it was about 50% cheater headaches,  50% real ones..



#11

Change in smell

_______ Sense of smell has greatly improved and heightened in general

_______ Human meat eaters also smell different, there's a distinct gamy sweaty odor, (similar to wet dog)
____________ When they group in concentration, it's now quite a distinct smell..



#12

Sigh......  Popeyes fried chicken...  Sigh.......................................

#13

Sigh..........  Popeyes fried chicken........................

#14

POPEYES FRIED CHICKEN..........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pingmaster]

Sounds like TP4 really needs a blogspot or wordpress page for all this.

[tp4tissue]

Sounds like TP4 really needs a blogspot or wordpress page for all this.

Hi,  welcome to Geekhack(Offtopics Tp4's blog)

[mrhead]

I don't believe you.  None of it.  Except the pooping part.  Nobody on the internet would lie about pooping. 

[tp4tissue]

I don't believe you.  None of it.  Except the pooping part.  Nobody on the internet would lie about pooping. 

I assure you, Vegan is the very best and worst thing that has ever happened to Tp4

[xondat]

All but 2 of these are positives (to most)!

[mrhead]

I don't believe you.  None of it.  Except the pooping part.  Nobody on the internet would lie about pooping. 

I assure you, Vegan is the very best and worst thing that has ever happened to Tp4

I already eat a substantial amount of vegetables.  I could NOT do without meat completely.  Whenever I eat fast food, I make a point to really focus on the taste (either bad or non-existent).  I enjoy eating steak and chicken too much to just give them up.

[tp4tissue]

All but 2 of these are positives (to most)!

They're abominatory and completely Unamerican ,  Tp4 is a Patriot. Big Beef and Fried Chicken is the american way!!

[tp4tissue]

I already eat a substantial amount of vegetables.  I could NOT do without meat completely.  Whenever I eat fast food, I make a point to really focus on the taste (either bad or non-existent).  I enjoy eating steak and chicken too much to just give them up.

I've done a great deal of deep dive experimentation as to WHAT it actually is that I liked about eating meat.

I've narrowed it down to the Fats (high % composition) and Texture..


So, I really enjoy the gooey/semi-chewiness,  and of course the grease that typically enshrine meat dishes.



Now vegan, doesn't specify OIL content, 

But from the latest information on heart disease,  ALL fats , be it mono/ poly, satur/ unsatur,  they all clog and damage arteries if the quantity eaten per day exceeds 22grams TOTAL.

----  This introduces a new dilemma because, you can't make food that has less oil taste as good as food with MORE oil,

---- It just can't be done..

--------  So for Heart health, ontop of getting rid of animal products which are highly (carcinogenic)..  Tp4 has stuck to 10% calories from fat,  which adheres to the 22grams limit..

-------   This is the largest drain on Great Taste



Your argument for Can and Can't live without meat.

----  This is not right or wrong,  but your motivation is in the realm of superficial hedonism..

----   If this was NOT debilitating to health, I suppose hell, kill all the cows you like,  but, now that WE KNOW it causes cancer/heartdisease/ diabetes/ dementia/ stroke..

-------  Some reanalysis of the actual COST  (to you) should be taken..

-------   I have no qualms with anyone eating meat..   If I outlive any of you,  I WIN..  hahahaha

-------------  But, as Tp4 is fundamentally a good guy,  I've done my social duty to perpetuate the Latest information on Good health.

[noisyturtle]

#15 - having a gaping vagina where your **** and balls used to be

[tp4tissue]

#15 - having a gaping vagina where your **** and balls used to be

Hahahahahahha



The #1 cause of Erectile dysfunction is -arteriole sclerosis-

Your -Wii- operates by an artery similar to your heart,   This artery clogs due to eating Meats and Fats, just like regular heart disease.

Nearly 100% of male heart disease patients HAVE erectile dysfunction..

This accounts for 70% of ALL cases of erectile dysfunction..




SO....   Scientifically speaking..  Your unchecked BEEF eating,  is the LEAST Manly activity you could engage in..

Noisyturtle = Biggest Vagina   /Confirmed   hahahahahahaha


/just kidding round turtle,    But that is the science we have..

/plain and simple,  people who eat a large quantity of animal products have Soft-Wii...  That is not in the least bit manly, 

[fanpeople]

#15 - having a gaping vagina where your **** and balls used to be

This right here just made my ****ty day worth it,

What is it like to have a vagina tp.... do you touch it much.

[tp4tissue]

#15 - having a gaping vagina where your **** and balls used to be

This right here just made my ****ty day worth it,

What is it like to have a vagina tp.... do you touch it much.

hahahahahahahaha....


there's no right answer to this ..

[pixelpusher]

Just bought a rice cooker.  Ready to move to plants.  Question: do you have caffeine?  Not sure I can live without   

[tp4tissue]

Just bought a rice cooker.  Ready to move to plants.  Question: do you have caffeine?  Not sure I can live without   

Congrats reececonrad,  to what degree are you moving to the plant-side.. I will tailor my response quotient accordingly.

[futurecrime]

Just bought a rice cooker.  Ready to move to plants.  Question: do you have caffeine?  Not sure I can live without   

You can have caffeine, but not the coffee  that's been shat out by a weasel, cos it counts as an animal product.

[futurecrime]

Also, other people are definitely the worst thing about being vegan. Actually, other people are the worst thing about most things.

[tp4tissue]

Just bought a rice cooker.  Ready to move to plants.  Question: do you have caffeine?  Not sure I can live without   

You can have caffeine, but not the coffee  that's been shat out by a weasel, cos it counts as an animal product.

Hhaahhahahaha,,  that's only the Super-Duper Rich people coffee...  regular coffee doesn't haz the p00 on it.

[futurecrime]

Just bought a rice cooker.  Ready to move to plants.  Question: do you have caffeine?  Not sure I can live without   

You can have caffeine, but not the coffee  that's been shat out by a weasel, cos it counts as an animal product.

Hhaahhahahaha,,  that's only the Super-Duper Rich people coffee...  regular coffee doesn't haz the p00 on it.

Well obvs, but maybe reececonrad is a billionaire. You gotta cover info for edge cases.

[tp4tissue]

Just bought a rice cooker.  Ready to move to plants.  Question: do you have caffeine?  Not sure I can live without   

You can have caffeine, but not the coffee  that's been shat out by a weasel, cos it counts as an animal product.

Hhaahhahahaha,,  that's only the Super-Duper Rich people coffee...  regular coffee doesn't haz the p00 on it.

Well obvs, but maybe reececonrad is a billionaire. You gotta cover info for edge cases.

Where'd he go..  he needs to come back and clarify his query..

[digi]

Pretty soon TP is going to be walking around with a heart monitor, 2 bags of kale and no friends because he can't have fun anymore.

[tp4tissue]

Pretty soon TP is going to be walking around with a heart monitor, 2 bags of kale and no friends because he can't have fun anymore.

Hahahahahahahaha...   

I'm more imagining, cybernetic monitoring implants,  a kale belt holster,   and a docking port on my shoulder for emergency kale..


ps... I don't actually eat kale,  it's too expensive,  Tp4 no can fordz..   /sad panda

[futurecrime]

Pretty soon TP is going to be walking around with a heart monitor, 2 bags of kale and no friends because he can't have fun anymore.

For real. I gave up meat and dairy, booze and coffee because I thought it'd be healthy and offer me some mental clarity and stability. Now I'm depressed all the time because I realised all those things were what was making life bearable.

[tp4tissue]

Pretty soon TP is going to be walking around with a heart monitor, 2 bags of kale and no friends because he can't have fun anymore.

For real. I gave up meat and dairy, booze and coffee because I thought it'd be healthy and offer me some mental clarity and stability. Now I'm depressed all the time because I realised all those things were what was making life bearable.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

I totes see your point futurecrime..

But I believe you should perhaps be open to EVEN GREATER change.


It's hard to say what came first, our bad health, or our deplorable-saddening lifestyles.

But, fixing one thing, is indicative that you do possess the ability to discern facts, and change for the better.



Consider taking your vacation this year to research alternative life paths.. to look for alignment of your interest and occupation.



Also, don't forget 10% fats.. this is critical as well..  over this amount you can stroke out just as likely as any meat-eater.

[digi]

True Dat Futurecrime! It's all about finding balance though right? I try to drink less (if not at all during the weekdays), then let it rip on the weekends.

[tp4tissue]

True Dat Futurecrime! It's all about finding balance though right? I try to drink less (if not at all during the weekdays), then let it rip on the weekends.

it has to be vegan liquor.. !!!!!!

[pixelpusher]

Shouldn't have issue with no dairy.  Wife is lactose intolerant.  We already eat pretty healthy. Healthy fats (nuts and coconut oil). We usually have chicken, fish, or lean steak with veggies.  No bread.  Wife is gluten intolerant.  So, I figure it should be a fairly easy transition.  Just need to find some protein sources. 

[digi]

True Dat Futurecrime! It's all about finding balance though right? I try to drink less (if not at all during the weekdays), then let it rip on the weekends.

it has to be vegan liquor.. !!!!!!

Is Cambodian Breast Milk considered Vegan TP?!

[tp4tissue]

Shouldn't have issue with no dairy.  Wife is lactose intolerant.  We already eat pretty healthy. Healthy fats (nuts and coconut oil). We usually have chicken, fish, or lean steak with veggies.  No bread.  Wife is gluten intolerant.  So, I figure it should be a fairly easy transition.  Just need to find some protein sources. 

Check out the asian food stores if you got um, like h-mart,   they have a plethora of soy products, different types of tofu, with different texture,  some more similar to meat than others.


But you have to be careful with soy products, because soy is a high-fat bean, so for example , tofu actually has as much fat as some leaner meats..


As for Actually how much protein you need,  lower estimates are in the 30g , higher up to 70-100g..


You can get around 50g if you ate rice and brocolli all day,   because all plants contain some protein..  it's not going to be a critical concern whatsoever,   YOU WILL NEVER LACK protein on a plant based diet.



Do take note to take a B12 supplement..


Current science shows that over-farming has resulted in low cobalt content of soil,  and  the way people eat modern day, (very clean foods, with no soil contamination), further reduces the b12 in our diets.


The only current people getting enough b12, are people eating Fortified food products like fortified wheat/cereals/pastas.


Meat eaters and Vegans alike, are b12 deficient..   

[tp4tissue]

True Dat Futurecrime! It's all about finding balance though right? I try to drink less (if not at all during the weekdays), then let it rip on the weekends.

it has to be vegan liquor.. !!!!!!

Is Cambodian Breast Milk considered Vegan TP?!

why cambodian ?

[digi]

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[chyros]

#16

[tp4tissue]

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Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha


Not going to lie,  among the first thing I noticed,  was that Tp4  poofs are now completely stealth,  virtually undetectable..


This has to do with the fact that humans have a very long digestive track  unlike  carnivores.

So, for humans, meat foods stays inside the body, and decomposes for a VERY long time, leading to a buildup of bad-odors.


vs a carnivore, which gets rid of the meats as quickly as possible, because throughout this process , it's decomposing and generating bad chemicals.

[chyros]

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Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha


Not going to lie,  among the first thing I noticed,  was that Tp4  poofs are now completely stealth,  virtually undetectable..


This has to do with the fact that humans have a very long digestive track  unlike  carnivores.

So, for humans, meat foods stays inside the body, and decomposes for a VERY long time, leading to a buildup of bad-odors.


vs a carnivore, which gets rid of the meats as quickly as possible, because throughout this process , it's decomposing and generating bad chemicals.

Uhhhhh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poof .

[tp4tissue]

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Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha


Not going to lie,  among the first thing I noticed,  was that Tp4  poofs are now completely stealth,  virtually undetectable..


This has to do with the fact that humans have a very long digestive track  unlike  carnivores.

So, for humans, meat foods stays inside the body, and decomposes for a VERY long time, leading to a buildup of bad-odors.


vs a carnivore, which gets rid of the meats as quickly as possible, because throughout this process , it's decomposing and generating bad chemicals.

Uhhhhh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poof .

it's quite clear from context what I meant..

if your mind turned towards anything else ,  it's only indicative that YOU yourself, have a deep set homosexual pathway.. hahahahahah

[chyros]

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Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha


Not going to lie,  among the first thing I noticed,  was that Tp4  poofs are now completely stealth,  virtually undetectable..


This has to do with the fact that humans have a very long digestive track  unlike  carnivores.

So, for humans, meat foods stays inside the body, and decomposes for a VERY long time, leading to a buildup of bad-odors.


vs a carnivore, which gets rid of the meats as quickly as possible, because throughout this process , it's decomposing and generating bad chemicals.

Uhhhhh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poof .

it's quite clear from context what I meant..

if your mind turned towards anything else ,  it's only indicative that YOU yourself, have a deep set homosexual pathway.. hahahahahah

What would be so terrible about that?

[tp4tissue]

What would be so terrible about that?

/Chyros projecting insecurities everywhere.. hahahahaha

[chyros]

it's quite clear from context what I meant..

if your mind turned towards anything else ,  it's only indicative that YOU yourself, have a deep set homosexual pathway.. hahahahahah

What would be so terrible about that?

/Chyros projecting insecurities everywhere.. hahahahaha
[/quote]Butbutbut... D:

[futurecrime]

Pretty soon TP is going to be walking around with a heart monitor, 2 bags of kale and no friends because he can't have fun anymore.

For real. I gave up meat and dairy, booze and coffee because I thought it'd be healthy and offer me some mental clarity and stability. Now I'm depressed all the time because I realised all those things were what was making life bearable.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

I totes see your point futurecrime..

But I believe you should perhaps be open to EVEN GREATER change.


It's hard to say what came first, our bad health, or our deplorable-saddening lifestyles.

But, fixing one thing, is indicative that you do possess the ability to discern facts, and change for the better.



Consider taking your vacation this year to research alternative life paths.. to look for alignment of your interest and occupation.



Also, don't forget 10% fats.. this is critical as well..  over this amount you can stroke out just as likely as any meat-eater.

The 10% fats thing is worrying. Seems unlikely I could stick to that... As far as researching alternative life paths, I have a 3 year old kid and a partner who depend on me which makes changing track really ****ing hard. If it was just me I'd start from scratch and live on no money again. My interests aren't very lucrative for the majority of practitioners unfortunately. I could definitely use a vacation though, I'm freelance and this year has been my busiest ever, working long days, nights and weekends. Not had anything more than a weekend off. What I'd really like is a vacation by myself, but that's a hard sell to my partner. Probably I'm ramping up to a mid-life crisis.

[Shapey Fiend]

With regards cost effectiveness of diet can you not just go to an ethnic food store and get huge potato sack sized bag of rice for cheap?

Seems to me if you're going vegan for health rather than ethical reasons could eat chicken and/or beef infrequently if you miss it that much but maybe it's like cigarettes easier cut it out altogether than dabble.

[tp4tissue]

With regards cost effectiveness of diet can you not just go to an ethnic food store and get huge potato sack sized bag of rice for cheap?

Seems to me if you're going vegan for health rather than ethical reasons could eat chicken and/or beef infrequently if you miss it that much but maybe it's like cigarettes easier cut it out altogether than dabble.

Yea, I am doing it for health only..

It makes 0 sense to do it for the animals,  then turn around and buy a keyboard or cellphone made from a slave factory..   


It's ok to be a Hippie,  but what's worse is a hippie + a hypocrite.



As for costs,  In the immediate category, I've considered cooking time, cooking fuel, meal frequency, and composition.

----  all said and done, this comes out to approximate 45% increase from costco chicken + ramen + occasional (popeyes)


Now, operating under the assumption that heart disease has nearly 0% chance of occuring for (True Vegans @ 10% Fats),  Technically, I am still saving money hand over fist..

However,   I will not lie to ya'll like the other cheater-vegans of the internet who say it's cheaper to eat vegan by neglecting many key input costs to Food..

[DALExSNAIL]

TBH this sounds more like "The benefits of no longer having an all ramen diet"

[tp4tissue]

The 10% fats thing is worrying. Seems unlikely I could stick to that... As far as researching alternative life paths, I have a 3 year old kid and a partner who depend on me which makes changing track really ****ing hard. If it was just me I'd start from scratch and live on no money again. My interests aren't very lucrative for the majority of practitioners unfortunately. I could definitely use a vacation though, I'm freelance and this year has been my busiest ever, working long days, nights and weekends. Not had anything more than a weekend off. What I'd really like is a vacation by myself, but that's a hard sell to my partner. Probably I'm ramping up to a mid-life crisis.

Hahahahahaha...

I could picture it now,   hey b00, I would like to go to the country, to my parents,  by myself,  for 2 weeks..

Wifu:  You son of a ...  it's that dutch slag charlotte from the function we were at last week isn't it... damn you,  I saw you stare at her legs for an inordinate amount of time... you horrible man you....  You've already gone and done it haven't you ?  This is just your pre-honeymoon before you leave your wife and child at the door is it?

hahahahahahahaha....


Jokez aside...

The 10% is indeed a barrier. But this is a firm number based on the latest revelations on Endothelial damage which is the root cause of the most common arteriole sclerosis.

Any quantity of any type of fats in excess of 10% of total caloric intake (22g per day),  makes the blood too sticky,   These extra fats get into (the endothelial layer) which lines ALL of your blood vessels (big and small), causing inflammation.  The endothelial layer then proceeds to deteriorate , and the vessels further reduce in ability to generate nitric oxide (a gas which lubricates blood flow). This increase in mechanical friction further creates the opportunity for fats to deposit and scar this layer, creating the classic big pockets of plaque which finally clogs or strokes you out.


This increase in fats also causes insulin resistance which is responsible for nearly 100% of all modern type 2 diabetes.. the fat interferes with the insulin key sugar channel mechanism which allows your cells to maintain the flow of sugars.



All of this is intermingling and related,  but the hospitals love it because heart surgery accounts for 70%+ of hospital revenue.. and of course pharmacon loves to plug you with drugs without ever curing you..



I've done numerous food dishes utilizing only 7 grams of fats  for the entire meal..  I've come to the conclusion that on -taste-  vegan or otherwise,   a less greasy meal can't compete with a more greasy meal, given only 7 grams..

it doesn't taste (awful),   but it's nothing like fried chicken..


This is also why I advocate the shift in your personal energies and desires towards OTHER THINGS..  ANYTHING AT ALL..

[tp4tissue]

TBH this sounds more like "The benefits of no longer having an all ramen diet"

Even with my ramen addiction,  statistically I was eating ~30 grams less fat than the AVERAGE american.

Your personal diet may have been healthier or worse than Tp4's,     

but that's why we have these numbers,  33% of all americans get heart disease,  33% of all americans get cancer, 11% of all americans get diabetes..

Heart disease, 25% of all death
Cancer, 25% of all death
Renal + Diabetes, 8% of all deaths
Stroke, 8% of all deaths

So,  you're PROBABLY on the list, is what I'm saying.. hahahahaha

[DALExSNAIL]

This legit just sounds like reddit poster science and info grabbed from vegan prop sites.

[DALExSNAIL]

Hit me up with your sources and studies etc. I'll read them over and see how I feel. If it seems legit I might change my lifestyle a bit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[tp4tissue]

This legit just sounds like reddit poster science and info grabbed from vegan prop sites.

Hahahahahhahaha..

If you are just coming into the fold on (Vegans),    I completely agree with you that it all sounds unbelievable..


However,  these are facts,  pulled from interviews and documentaries with verified researchers and physicians.


The 3 main Titans of the modern vegan world are ,  Colin Campbell, Dean Ornish, and Caldwell Esselstyn

Both Ornish and Campbell  are  president Bill Clinton's doctors,  he's named dropped them in numerous interview and documentaries.


Now, this has nothing to do with Glorious-ness of a former president who may or may not have had sex with that woman.


It's merely a line of general legitimacy.



That said,   However you perceive this information now....    it would be Ignorant to brush it off without doing the least bit of research on your own..


As the Good Guy-Tp4,  I've personally fact checked this information and laid out the general direction.   I do not ask that you place faith Solely in the Tp4,   However,  if you do nothing,  with 100% confidence,   Those death statistics are current and reliable,    You will befallen years of hospital turmoil before your eventual demise..


Death is easy,   those years of bad health is the true hell.

[tp4tissue]

Hit me up with your sources and studies etc. I'll read them over and see how I feel. If it seems legit I might change my lifestyle a bit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Research the 3 names in my previous post..    campbell, Esselstyn, ornish

China study (book)
Prevent and reverse heart disease (book)


numerous documentaries watchable on utube for all 3 names..


Also look into Neal Barnard,  his content is much more laid out for the laymen,

[tp4tissue]

I am WAITING,  Eagerly,  for some Gekhaker to come prove me wrong..  so I can get back to eating Popeyes fried chicken..

[DALExSNAIL]

This legit just sounds like reddit poster science and info grabbed from vegan prop sites.

Both Ornish and Campbell  are  president Bill Clinton's doctors,  he's named dropped them in numerous interview and documentaries.

This alone makes me truly question the legitimacy of these people, no offense. Plus the fact that the community that deals with things like this isn't always the most honest (grant money is king)