This year may be biblical

[fohat.digs]

"For people who care about weather and climate, one of the most concerning proposals on the table is to dismantle the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration [NOAA]. The authors of Project 2025, a blueprint for the administration crafted by conservative organizations, claim erroneously that NOAA is “one of the main drivers of the climate change alarm industry” and should be “broken down and downsized."”
- New York Times - today

WTF is "the climate change alarm industry"?

[tp4tissue]

It's a group of very liberal professors/think tanks/wealthy ludites, who gets high off the same fossil fuel economy as everyone else,  but they point the fingers at everyone else, and sometimes themselves,  LOOK LOOK, this is what's wrong, we're doing it wrong, I can't stop doing it myself, but this is wrong and we're all going to die doing this.

That's the NOAA.

They (whoever is the/that they) want to turn the NOAA off, because they'd rather get drunk and ride the death spiral without being reminded of Death.


Basically, the NOAA is like the Tp4,  he plays dat gamz on dat 7900xtx wasting ungodly amount of electricity, huddled in a house with air purifiers in every room running 24/7, with AC heat exchangers in every room, pointing fingers at everyone else, and sometimes himself,  LOOK you're all doing it wrong, and we're all going to die.

But the 1 thing, Tp4 is superior at vs the NOAA, is that he eats 100% veggie,  and this is arguably the SINGLE possible solution to the climate crisis.

The fossil fuel ship has sailed, it will never ever stop.  We either go veggie, or DIE.

Animal agriculture is the primary cause of climate change, when LAND USE opportunity cost is taken into account.

[phinix]

tp, what is your opinion on Bovaer?
People in UK are freaking out lately...

[tp4tissue]

From the perspective of the public, That would just be 1-additional chemical out of the Hundreds they're already juicing the cows with.

They should really be worrying about the hundred others, because we KNOW eating more meat greatly increases the net exposure to harmful chemicals, such as Haem iron, AGES, mercury, lead, hexanes, nitrates/ites, endotoxin, neu5gc, TMAO, Heterocyclic amines.  This stuff causes cancer, accelerates cell growth, increase motility (cancer movement).

So just add Bovaer to the pile. 


From the climate perspective, it's borderline useless. Even if every cow took it, would it stop the fact that 90% of rainforest deforestation is due to cattle farming ?

LAND USE is the primary cause of emissions. Trees, and soil are MADE OF CARBON, that is nature's primary way of carbon capture.

The current space occupying 43% of earth's dry surface dedicated to animal agriculture, IF REVERTED, back to forest, is 3x ALL the atmospheric carbon that exists.  The 3 Trillion Trees opportunity cost.

It will literally fix everything, but humanity is too stupid to do it, because Burgers.

[phinix]

From the perspective of the public, That would just be 1-additional chemical out of the Hundreds they're already juicing the cows with.

They should really be worrying about the hundred others, because we KNOW eating more meat greatly increases the net exposure to harmful chemicals, such as Haem iron, AGES, mercury, lead, hexanes, nitrates/ites, endotoxin, neu5gc, TMAO, Heterocyclic amines.  This stuff causes cancer, accelerates cell growth, increase motility (cancer movement).

So just add Bovaer to the pile. 


From the climate perspective, it's borderline useless. Even if every cow took it, would it stop the fact that 90% of rainforest deforestation is due to cattle farming ?

LAND USE is the primary cause of emissions. Trees, and soil are MADE OF CARBON, that is nature's primary way of carbon capture.

The current space occupying 43% of earth's dry surface dedicated to animal agriculture, IF REVERTED, back to forest, is 3x ALL the atmospheric carbon that exists.  The 3 Trillion Trees opportunity cost.

It will literally fix everything, but humanity is too stupid to do it, because Burgers.

Yeah, this is really sad

[tp4tissue]

Some comedy..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00236xn

[fohat.digs]

What the heck is this thing in South Korea?

It seems wildly implausible but I guess that I just haven't been paying attention.

[tp4tissue]

Korea's upfront government is entirely for show.  Their oligarchs (plutocrats) have 100% of the real power.

[tp4tissue]

Bro, it's already happening.

[phinix]

What the heck is this thing in South Korea?

It seems wildly implausible but I guess that I just haven't been paying attention.

Wooow, I haven't noticed that - so what has happened there?
Some articles say it was deep fake?

I remember martial law in Poland in 1981, I mean I was 1 years old, but my dad told me the story.

[TomahawkLabs]

France govt also collapsed yesterday. Interesting times we live in.

[tp4tissue]

Milk = Bird Flu.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna183212

Apart from men who desire growing larger man-bewbs, what good reason is there to drink this stuff.

[kurplop]

Milk = Bird Flu.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna183212

Apart from men who desire growing larger man-bewbs, what good reason is there to drink this stuff.

Protein, calcium, phosphorus, B12, and riboflavin, to name a few. Most milk also has vitamin D added to it which is easily absorbed thanks to sterols naturally occurring in milk. The casein is also valuable in the absorption of many of the essential minerals in milk.

As for the moobies, the amount of estrogens present in milk is almost insignificant and much lower than the phytoestrogens present in soy milk. Neither would be considered enough to significantly contribute to gynecomastia in men. Most cases of gynecomastia are a result of aromatization of excessive testosterone not dietary ingestion of the hormone.

A fair percent of the population are unable to tolerate cow’s milk in adulthood. The rest would do well to enjoy the many benefits of adding milk to the diet.

[tp4tissue]

Protein, calcium, phosphorus, B12, and riboflavin.

It's impossible to become protein deficient, unless you are actually starving to death.

There is calcium in EVERYTHING, again, virtually impossible to become deficient. Milk is also not a very good source of calcium.

B12, DOES NOT come from milk. The vast majority of the B12 found in milk is from SUPPLEMENTS fed to the cow.

Vitamin D, again, mostly from supplements fed to the cow.  Impossible to become deficient, outside of extreme cold climates where sunshine is too cold.

Casein, is a STRONG cancer accelerant.  https://nutritionstudies.org/casein-consumption/


ESTROGEN in milk,  this is actual animal oestrogen, it functions and behaves identically in humans. Which is why it is so crucial in promoting breast cancer + prostate cancer, these being HORMONE Dependent Cancers.

PHYTOESTROGEN- in Soybeans,  DO NOT function the same in the human body, they Bind to the estrogen Binding sites in the body and BLOCK the effects of REAL animal estrogen (example from cows).   This makes it PROTECTIVE for breast/prostate cancers, and demonstrably populations with the highest consumption of SOY has FEWER cases of hormone dependent cancers.

Kurplop has clearly been reading Cow-propoganda.

Facts:

After the intake of cow milk, serum estrone (E1) and progesterone concentrations significantly increased, and serum luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone and testosterone significantly decreased in men. Urine concentrations of E1, estradiol, estriol and pregnanediol significantly increased in all adults and children.

The present data on men and children indicate that estrogens in milk were absorbed, and gonadotropin secretion was suppressed, followed by a decrease in testosterone secretion. Sexual maturation of prepubertal children could be affected by the ordinary intake of cow milk.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19496976/


The studies clearly indicate, Milk messes up the hormone balance in the human body.  Cow's milk is meant for BABY COWS,    Not Humans, this should be quite intuitive..

[phinix]

Milk = Bird Flu.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna183212

Apart from men who desire growing larger man-bewbs, what good reason is there to drink this stuff.

I need milk for my coffee. Need to learn and like black coffee, tried it few times, not as tasty...

[tp4tissue]

I need milk for my coffee. Need to learn and like black coffee, tried it few times, not as tasty...

Almond/Cashew milk. You don't have to buy the expensive cartons. You can diy, and make a fairly concentrated slurry, then just spoon a tiny amount into the coffee and it'll cloud out just like regular milk.

The principal is really just adding grease and sugar.

[fohat.digs]

I need milk for my coffee.

It is scientifically proven that it is the milkfat that does the trick, neutralizing the acid and coating the stomach.

It doesn't take much, but it needs to be the real thing. I use a few grams of heavy cream for my morning cup.

[tp4tissue]

It is scientifically proven that it is the milkfat that does the trick, neutralizing the acid and coating the stomach.

It doesn't take much, but it needs to be the real thing. I use a few grams of heavy cream for my morning cup.

Fat of any type will do it.

[phinix]

I need milk for my coffee. Need to learn and like black coffee, tried it few times, not as tasty...

Almond/Cashew milk. You don't have to buy the expensive cartons. You can diy, and make a fairly concentrated slurry, then just spoon a tiny amount into the coffee and it'll cloud out just like regular milk.

The principal is really just adding grease and sugar.

tp, those are just crappy subs for milk, I tried them all, all taste like afterdish water to me

[phinix]

I need milk for my coffee.

It is scientifically proven that it is the milkfat that does the trick, neutralizing the acid and coating the stomach.

It doesn't take much, but it needs to be the real thing. I use a few grams of heavy cream for my morning cup.

That explains why I need full fat milk in coffee, not that 0.5% or lower. Years ago, when I worked in office, companies were buying that red milk, 0%, what a waste of money, its like in dairies the wash those huge milk tanks with a hose and what comes off it, is 0% milk  )

[tp4tissue]

Taste is a process of acclimation/ attribution like Beer.

Beer is bitter, and most people not looking to get drunk does not initially LIKE it.

Children almost universally spit it out.

Bitter is the taste of alkalinity, which typically indicates how POISONOUS something might be, which is why we avoid eating something that's too bitter.

Beer IS far to bitter from the taste perspective, and it IS a poison.

Much is the case with Coffee. It's bitter and it's poisonous.

If you've ever tried cocaine, also extremely bitter.

But what do all these things have in common. They trick the brain into pleasurable responses.

Repeated exposure builds Attribution, and our brain (a neural network) is trained to seek out the substance, to look for social situations / life circumstances where we can GET MORE of it, to seek out other people who enjoy it, and build a society of hedonism for it, Drug Dens, Coffee Shops, Bars.

Then Capitalists are like, this is a miracle, these stupid monkeys will do anything for this drug, FREE COFFEE @ WURK.

The strength of caffeine, the dopaminergic effect is ~200% baseline for 20-45 minutes. That's stronger/as strong as SECS, which is ~200% for 15-30 mins.

Each time a person drinks coffee, he's getting a Cognitive high, roughly same level as SECS, the baseline then drops, because your brain is adaptive, Now you're in deficit most of the day, and you're anxious, but you can't explain it, but it's because of deficit. Now just to feel normal, you need some Coffee.  You feel like you MUST GO TO WURK everyday, because that's where the coffee is, that's where you can fill a hole in your life, chemical deficit. The suggestive ability is NOT subtle, we have so many things that can tickle 200% baseline that it feels like coffee is just plebian, but it's actually at the level of the strongest suggestion NATURAL evolution designed the brain to experience, (Secs).

It's not an accident that they put this stuff into soft drinks, it's not an accident that the Brew of OUR ENSLAVEMENT @ the WORK CAMP is Free and it's COFFEE.

[fohat.digs]

wash those huge milk tanks with a hose and what comes off it

I feel that removing milkfat from any form of dairy ruins it.

2% milk is drinkable, but those with lesser amounts just make me want to spit it out. Even whole milk is only 3%-4% milk fat, but it is essential for taste.

[tp4tissue]

It's got pus in it.

According to the USDA, 1 in 6 dairy cows in the United States suffers from clinical mastitis, which is responsible for 1 in 6 dairy cow deaths on U.S. dairy farms. This level of disease is reflected in the concentration of somatic cells in the American milk supply. Somatic cell counts greater than a million per teaspoon are abnormal and “almost always” caused by mastitis. When a cow is infected, greater than 90% of the somatic cells in her milk are neutrophils, the inflammatory immune cells that form pus. The average somatic cell count in U.S. milk per spoonful is 1,120,000....

A study published in the Journal of Dairy Science found that cheese made from high somatic cell count milk had both texture and flavor defects as well as increased clotting time. The U.S. dairy industry, however, insists that there is no food safety risk. If the udders of our factory-farmed dairy cows are inflamed and infected, industry folks say, it doesn’t matter, because we pasteurize—the pus gets cooked. But just as parents may not want to feed their children fecal matter in meat even if it’s irradiated fecal matter, they might not want to feed their children pasteurized pus.

[tp4tissue]

MEAT,  is being irradiated due to Fecal contamination in the raising/ butchering process. Bon Appetite?

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/interviews/schlosser.html

""Let's [talk about] irradiation. ... It seems that, certainly, the industry's argument is that even amongst the best companies -- with all they do, the millions they spend, the amount of testing they do -- they can't guarantee that the meat is free of E. coli. They say that irradiation, which the National Academy of Science and others have endorsed, would address this serious public health risk. Given the situation we find ourselves in, isn't [irradiation] an appropriate response?

I don't think there have been any large-scale epidemiological studies of people eating irradiated meat over long, long periods of time. I hope irradiated meat is safe, and it very well may be. But before you start irradiating the meat, I think the meatpacking industry should be cleaning up its plants, because if you just start irradiating the meat, you're allowing them to essentially irradiate the feces on the meat.""

Wiki:

In the United States this limit is deemed to be 4 mega electron volts for electron beams and x-ray sources – cobalt-60 or caesium-137 sources are never energetic enough to be of concern.

Caesium ?? Caesium?? So they have to do a Chemotherapy to the damn meat before they sell it to consumers, to control FECAL CONTAMINATION,     and you're just suppose to take their word for it, that it's FINE, USDA, it's FINEEEE.....

Cigarette company, it's FINEEE.....

[fohat.digs]

"If you’re ever despairing about the state of the world, you can — at least, according to some scholars — be thankful it’s not the year 536 CE. To be fair, it’s medieval scholars, not 21st-century ones, who called 536 CE the worst year to be alive. But hear them out, because it sounds pretty bad. That year, a massive volcano erupted, historians believe, filling the air with volcanic ash. Of course, the majority of people affected by the disaster had no idea what was happening — they just knew it was very suddenly very dark for a very long time. The sun didn’t shine in Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Asia for 18 whole months — or as the Byzantine historian Procopius put it, “The sun gave forth its light without brightness, like the moon, during the whole year.”

That summer, temperatures dropped more than 30 degrees in parts of Europe and Asia (it even snowed in China), so crops failed, leading to widespread famine, starvation, and economic stagnation. Many people who were literate wrote about this at the time — the sun disappeared overnight, after all — but academics didn’t take the accounts seriously until the late 20th century. In 1983, a volcanic eruption was theorized to be the source of the darkness, and researchers examining tree rings in Ireland in the 1990s noted a severe temperature drop occurred in the sixth century. In 2018, researchers published a study pointing to a volcano as the likely culprit after analyzing ice cores drilled from glaciers."

- Historian Michael McCormick in Science 2024

[tp4tissue]

The sun is about to set on mankind permenantly.

But Fohat is right that most of us here are the lucky few living through peak abundance/decadence/waste.

[tp4tissue]

Twenty big cats - including a Bengal tiger and four cougars - have died of bird flu over the past several weeks at an animal sanctuary in the state of Washington.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyvx4d1n4vo

[phinix]

Did you see that airplane crash in Korea?!
Jeez... who build concrete wall at the end of the runway?!

[Leslieann]

Did you see that airplane crash in Korea?!
Jeez... who build concrete wall at the end of the runway?!

What's on the other side of the wall?
Runways are LOOOOOOOONG and finding room presents issues, but that also gets worse as they age and people move in around it. We also have some pretty sketchy runways.

[phinix]

Did you see that airplane crash in Korea?!
Jeez... who build concrete wall at the end of the runway?!

What's on the other side of the wall?
Runways are LOOOOOOOONG and finding room presents issues, but that also gets worse as they age and people move in around it. We also have some pretty sketchy runways.

Not much, I think there was some road far after that wall.
They emergency landed, birds caused landing gear malfunction, but they would survived it, if there was no wall after the runway.

[noisyturtle]

Twenty big cats - including a Bengal tiger and four cougars - have died of bird flu over the past several weeks at an animal sanctuary in the state of Washington.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyvx4d1n4vo

Yeah, and some people have gotten ill from food as well.
Not buying my girl anything with poultry until this all blows over. Again.

[Leslieann]

Did you see that airplane crash in Korea?!
Jeez... who build concrete wall at the end of the runway?!

What's on the other side of the wall?
Runways are LOOOOOOOONG and finding room presents issues, but that also gets worse as they age and people move in around it. We also have some pretty sketchy runways.

Not much, I think there was some road far after that wall.
They emergency landed, birds caused landing gear malfunction, but they would survived it, if there was no wall after the runway.

Did some looking into this... The video kind of misses a few things.

(From Wikipedia)

The crash occurred between 9:03 and 9:07 a.m. as the aircraft belly landed, touching down 1,200 m (3,900 ft) along the runway. It overshot, with video footage showing the aircraft sliding down the runway on the engine nacelles with a sustained nose-high attitude. It continued 250 m (820 ft) past the runway threshold before colliding with an embankment holding the ILS array and exploding. Wreckage from the aircraft continued through the perimeter wall causing partial damage.

Breaking this down
The plane lost landing gear and an engine due to birdstrike and made an emergency landing with a tailwind instead of a typical headwind (which allows slower speed) in order to get down faster and overshot the end of the runway by a LOT(!). Usually the plane stops before or just after the end of the runway even in a belly landing (even with foam lubricating it) and yet this plane not only overshot the runway it overshot the overrun and still went another 25% of the runway length  further. I understand it was a panic situation but pilots are trained for emergency landings and have well established written procedures. This sounds like he came in very, very hot, probably no flaps and never deployed speed brakes, they're not visible in the footage, could be bad footage but I don't believe they're deployed from what I saw, combined with a tailwind the plane was just going entirely way too dang fast.

Planes and airports are designed for a 1 in 10million chance, or at least they're supposed be (looking at you Boeing). This was just a freak accident and possibly some pilot error involved. It was not an airport design flaw. That plane shouldn't have slid even remotely that far down the runway even under the worst cicumstance.

[tp4tissue]

This is why Tp4 avoids the aeropln's whenever possible.

Tp4's ****ty computers break, all the damn time.  An aeropln, is always just a few blue screen away from from getn' ever1 killed.

[fohat.digs]

Seriously OMFG stuff.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/1/3/2294862/-Friends-of-Gaia-present-cawfeemug-s-report-on-the-Collapse-of-the-Gulf-Stream

[tp4tissue]

There are lots of these climate models.

This one happens to predict something very serious happening sooner than later.

No one can attest to its accuracy, not even the author who acknowledges there's quite alot of uncertainty. But a rational person should decide, well why push it.

That's where Capitalism disagrees. It's a drug addict chasing his 1 last rush.  There's no future, just a final leap into the abyss.

[fohat.digs]

Breathing a big sigh of relief about now.

Sometime in the night last Friday my heater stopped working. One of my friends has a nephew in the HVAC repair business, and today (going until after dark with flashlights) he replaced the part and now I am toasty warm. What a guy!

I had 2 space heaters (120V) which had managed to keep my 2 primary rooms up to about 58-60F (14-16C) so I was in no actual danger, but it is scheduled to get a lot colder for a couple of more days. I was delighted to have it all repaired properly in under 72 hours (over the weekend) for under $400.
 

[tp4tissue]

We are glad the fohat is not dying any time soon.

[tp4tissue]

So, basically an all year thing now. Every season is fire season.

[fohat.digs]

Here's another good one from everyone's favorite space *****:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/1/7/2295737/-Efficiency-by-Musk-His-lithium-plant-needs-water

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 is confident they can get 8 million gallons. But, Green tech is not going to save the planet in time. It's only going to push us faster towards clipping.

[fohat.digs]

Tp4 is confident they can get 8 million gallons.

8 million gallons - 30,000,000 liters - per day! - in a drought-striken area is a serious ask.

And he built the factory without a water contract. He chose that location because few people live there. Wonder why?

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 is confident they can get 8 million gallons.

8 million gallons - 30,000,000 liters - per day! - in a drought-striken area is a serious ask.

And he built the factory without a water contract. He chose that location because few people live there. Wonder why?

Most tech is quite polluting. If they can already supply a million gallons to the town, they can do 8. The people are probably poor enough to work there. They likely considered that for the factory.

[fohat.digs]

If they can already supply a million gallons to the town, they can do 8.

Easy Peasy

[noisyturtle]

I feel weird about how cynical and unsympathetic I am towards celebrities and millionaires losing their homes in that LA fire. Being poor for a long time really does **** up your outlook and trust in the World.

[tp4tissue]

I feel weird about how cynical and unsympathetic I am towards celebrities and millionaires losing their homes in that LA fire. Being poor for a long time really does **** up your outlook and trust in the World.

If Tp4 were a firefighter, wouldn't even save those houses, just take one look at the neighborhood, and be like, pshh, they'll be fine.

Drive the truck and go save some poor people's houses.

Deny Defend Depose.

[tp4tissue]

The Fire-Hydrant ran dry in the Palisades area "due to incredible demand".

Think about that, the FIRE HYDRANT.. Dry.. The one thing that's suppose to always be, !-Dry, to remain perpetually Moist.


It's not a matter of supply and demand when Nature-Bites-Back. We are not ready, the End is Here.

Eat veggies immediately !!


The firehydrant is connected to the main, that's as much water as you're EVER GOING TO GET.

It's also not a very robust system. The average community runs on 1 foot diameter pipes branching from the mains which are only 5 feet diameter..

The 1 foot can really only support 3 hydrants at a time across the whole line. So just do the math, even a 5 feet main doesn't have much simultaneous throughput. 




In a big fire, you're not going to save your house with WATER,  you can save 1 or 2 houses with water tops, the rest is alot of luck..

[noisyturtle]

"I watched in horror from my Malibu beach house as my Palisades home burned to the ground"
- Paris Hilton

[tp4tissue]

The stupidity of the ultra-wealthy is thinking that money can buy an "imaginary technology" to save them and keep them alive.

It's like saying, I'm going to do this "thing" so I can survive my heart attack.  Sheer-stupidity.  Instead of not clogging up the arteries in the first place, they're going to waste time and energy on a gym membership in the belief that it offsets eating the grease.

The grease (fats/cholesterol) you eat increases the friction of circulating blood, damaging the endothelial cells (vessel lining) -> scaring -> atherosclerosis.  No amount of treadmill use offsets this process.

[phinix]

"I watched in horror from my Malibu beach house as my Palisades home burned to the ground"
- Paris Hilton

Oh, that must have been a terrible feeling...
One thing, this situation is horrible, but then you see those comments of rich peeps there and you dont feel sorry anymore 

[fohat.digs]

The one thing that's suppose to always be

In crime investigation, the mantra is "Follow the Money"

Paraphrased for another situation, that could be "Follow the Water" and the southwestern US, in general, is a very dry region.

"Show me the Water" and in the southwestern corner of our country there is precious little of it underground and practically none on the surface. See how I used the word "precious"?

And that is (surprise!) also where a large percentage of our food supply (fruits and vegetables TP4 will be pleased to see) is grown. Fighting giant fires by spraying water on them with little hand-held hoses is like farting in the wind.

The whole ecosystem (econosystem?) is utterly insane and unsustainable. Unless maybe we can quickly scale up to desalinating thousands of acre-feet of ocean water?