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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #150 on: Fri, 02 August 2024, 18:07:42 »
It resonates with sober people sure.

But the original Trump crowd does not read this stuff. They have their own informational bubble, and they're honestly not educated enough to have-doubt.

This is not only true of Trump voters though,  it is more or less the same on the Democrat side, with a "slightly lower" percentage. One really must emphasize the "slight."

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How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #152 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 04:41:25 »
OK, so Project 2025 turns out to be kind of a hindrance to Trump's campaign — makes sense, as everything in it looks like it comes straight out of a nightmare — but what I don't understand is, if this is what they want to implement but it's obviously nothing any sane voter would ever want, why publish this openly? Why not just use that ultra-vague 20-point campaign and put Project 2025 through when they've already been elected and nothing can stop them anymore? If you want to hijack the presidency and overturn the constitution, why give the people the chance to protest against it? What am I missing here?
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #153 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 04:47:35 »
They're just talking points.

People vote and die for their "love" of the color blue. That is the nature of the mob. They are peasants. The project 2025 is a marketing spin, and it is what appeals to them.

The democrats talk about things like abortion which is the opposite, they've had ample opportunity over the years to actually codify, but they leave it. Meanwhile let's start more wars and increase military spending, EVERYONE agreed to that, totally, you all voted for this right? Poor people send their kids off to die.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #154 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 06:07:48 »
They're just talking points.

People vote and die for their "love" of the color blue. That is the nature of the mob. They are peasants. The project 2025 is a marketing spin, and it is what appeals to them.

The democrats talk about things like abortion which is the opposite, they've had ample opportunity over the years to actually codify, but they leave it. Meanwhile let's start more wars and increase military spending, EVERYONE agreed to that, totally, you all voted for this right? Poor people send their kids off to die.

I feel like you're kind of missing the point of my question. I doubt that anything in P25 would be considered "advertising" to even the most hardcore right-wingers (that is, the ones who aren't in office, of course) - and apparently I'm right on this point because even Trump is trying to distance himself from it now. So why would they reveal their hand and risk losig the election rather than get into office first and then just do it anyway once there is no way to stop them?
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #155 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 07:48:24 »

why would they reveal their hand


They didn't.

The plan was developed in secrecy and was not intended to ever be seen by the general public.

Unfortunately (Fortunately!), it is practically impossible to keep something that large and sprawling in the dark forever.
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #156 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 08:41:29 »
I feel like you're kind of missing the point of my question. I doubt that anything in P25 would be considered "advertising" to even the most hardcore right-wingers (that is, the ones who aren't in office, of course) - and apparently I'm right on this point because even Trump is trying to distance himself from it now. So why would they reveal their hand and risk losig the election rather than get into office first and then just do it anyway once there is no way to stop them?

Because they have no intention on doing any of the advertisement stuff.  They WILL do the military spending part. 

For example, Trump advertised (previously), send all the mexicans back,  well he didn't do that, he only used it as an excuse to spend money on the wall, most of which payed to his cronies, and he gets a cut.

That's the nature of government and corporate.  They just want to make money because they fundamentally don't understand what money is.

For example, the Anti-Gay stuff,  The republicans don't care, the government doesn't care,  they are just using it to get votes. They want the political power, and to use that power to serve themselves and their constituency, and the constituency is just a stupid cohort of idiots that want more money for no othre purpose than to "feel good".

Hating gays is the same as loving the color blue. It's entirely inconsequential to all the Gay-Haters or Blue-Lovers, but that's what they want, they're obsessed with that identity. Xbox vs PS5, same thing.

Gay people suffer ,the color blue suffers, PS5 suffers because the majority of human beings are THAT STUPID.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #157 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 16:11:33 »
I just want Trump to begone. It's so fatiguing to constantly be hearing about him and his base.
Just have a heart attack already, you fat old ****.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #158 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 16:34:06 »

I just want Trump to begone.


It will be a hollow victory unless he takes most of the MAGgots with him.

At least Vance has suceeded in making the country hate him, so presumably he will go away crawl back under his rock.
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #159 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 17:04:27 »

I just want Trump to begone.


It will be a hollow victory unless he takes most of the MAGgots with him.

At least Vance has suceeded in making the country hate him, so presumably he will go away crawl back under his rock.


Apparently the judge overseeing (one of) his cases is adamant about sentencing him. It would be funny if it happens while the election is happening.
I still don't understand how someone who literally committed treason is the best candidate for the Republicans, its so bizarre. Plus he is flying around to rallies in the Lolita Express, after being on Epstein's list and being accused of raping a kid multiple times. How he does these things in the open, and still retains support is just so strange. Like his base would rather support the worst possible candidate, as long as they don't have to vote Blue. They don't care one bit about policies or the future of America, only that their 'side' wins.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #160 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 17:50:47 »

in the Lolita Express


Actually the "Lolita Express" was a different airplane owned by Epstein at an earlier time.

But I think that the MAGgots are just plain ANGRY and they want to express their anger by "voting with their middle fingers" - so their champion would almost have to be profoundly disgusting.

They are failing to assimilate in the modern world and want to sabotage "the future" as much as they can.

Was it Upton Sinclair who said that "when Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible" ?

How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #161 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 18:37:55 »
"when Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible" ?


I always expected as humanity evolved, religion would come less into play for politics and the welfare of the populous, as people gain more knowledge and empathy with a shrinking Global Stage.
But no, actually the opposite.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #162 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 19:16:17 »

religion would come less into play


The problem is that for "ordinary" people who look to religion as the road map for leading an honorable life, watching their map fading away is terrifying.

I think that for a person who is happy spending their time and philosophical currency searching out a lifelong personal path, someone else telling them what to do is an ugly irritation, but for people who want it all wrapped up with a ribbon on it - it is devastating to find out that their buoy is un-moored.
 
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
- RWN 2024-09008

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #163 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 20:15:02 »

religion would come less into play


The problem is that for "ordinary" people who look to religion as the road map for leading an honorable life, watching their map fading away is terrifying.

I think that for a person who is happy spending their time and philosophical currency searching out a lifelong personal path, someone else telling them what to do is an ugly irritation, but for people who want it all wrapped up with a ribbon on it - it is devastating to find out that their buoy is un-moored.
 

I don't believe religion is what bible bangers have. They have confused human social cult, with religion. Them AND their leaders expressly and proudly do most of the things their religion forbids.

Their relationship with GOD is non-existent, what they own is their "status" within a church circle. This is just another human organizational construct.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #164 on: Wed, 14 August 2024, 21:09:55 »

their "status" within a church circle.


As in so many other areas, I look back at the Before Time (<1977) and what I see today is unrecognizable.

I grew up in a vibrant Presbyterian church in the 1950s-1960s that promoted human dignity and morality. Yes, ours was all white, and a variety of social problems such as racial inequality existed in our community - but while they may have been implicit they were not espoused explicitly - and certainly not glorified.

We were taught that it was wrong to lie and cheat and steal under any circumstances, and the teachings of Jesus were always front and center. I cannot remember anyone in the church being involved in a scandal but that is not to say that it didn't happen. And if they were caught in some iniquity they would have slunk away and never shown their face in there again.

There was NO political messaging and there was never any political issue, position, party, or candidate spoken about from the pulpit, ever. For example, even with the war in Vietnam raging, our minister would only say "and please bring our boys back home safely" (he didn't need to specify which boys or from where) in his prayers. Yes, he might have condemned the war as wrong, but those were very different times. I know that the congregation included both Republicans and Democrats, but I could not guess the ratio.

Maybe churches like that still exist today, but I suspect that they are pretty rare.
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
- RWN 2024-09008

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #166 on: Fri, 23 August 2024, 12:49:39 »
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
- RWN 2024-09008

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #167 on: Fri, 23 August 2024, 14:46:52 »
Well, you don't stop lying about the big lie. It is a BIG lie, so you must keep it rolling.

Also, grifters gonna grift, right? 
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #168 on: Sat, 31 August 2024, 08:26:55 »
Surprise!

How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #169 on: Sat, 31 August 2024, 10:27:10 »
This is how Hitler and most religions started, they target the disenfranchised, give them an Identity, and bam, Nazis.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #170 on: Sat, 31 August 2024, 10:52:45 »

the disenfranchised


Those shoes were $300 (probably plus shipping) and the shirt and hat were probably at least $25 each, so this is a person prosperous enough to drop more than my monthly combined utility bills on ephemeral clothing items. He must not be entirely disenfranchised.
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #171 on: Sat, 31 August 2024, 11:19:03 »

the disenfranchised


Those shoes were $300 (probably plus shipping) and the shirt and hat were probably at least $25 each, so this is a person prosperous enough to drop more than my monthly combined utility bills on ephemeral clothing items. He must not be entirely disenfranchised.


Well, poor in other respects. He's eating fast food, probably works hard, not much skool, likes expensive shoes.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #172 on: Sat, 31 August 2024, 11:55:17 »

He's eating fast food


It looks to me like he is drinking a fancy margarita and there appears to be a rather tacky woman's pocketbook in the counter, so he is living the dream.
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #173 on: Wed, 11 September 2024, 11:04:34 »
"Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison."

- Donald Trump 2024-09-10
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
- RWN 2024-09008

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #174 on: Wed, 11 September 2024, 13:10:52 »
"Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison."

- Donald Trump 2024-09-10



This would be very expensive. Tooooo expensive.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #175 on: Wed, 11 September 2024, 20:15:08 »
Just finished watching the debate.

Well, same 'ol same 'ol.

Harris is not a fresh direction as much as a mouthpiece for the continuation of American imperialism. And THAT SOUNDS GOOD, only,  we don't live in a world where America can actually win an all out war.

There was a very brief period, right after we first went atomic, that our imperialism could've prevailed. Von Neumann, probably historically the most intuitive super intellect in a single human being said,  Use the damn things now, blow them all up, because give it a couple years, we won't be able to. They'll have their own.


And that's where we are,  All the major countries have their own atomic doomsday triggers. 

POLAND, just announced more atomic buildup, they say power plants, but everyone knows it's just the front for refining weapons material, AS ARE ALL nuclear power plants.

So, effectively, our world, under BIDEN has become more dangerous and closer to midnight.

Harris, clearly has no thought of her own, she's just maintaining the status-quo of Atlanticism which has stood for the last 70 years.


Insurance, Abortion, Jobs, These are just distractions, yes they're meaningful for the proletariat class, but Harris has said nothing about exploiting the workers less. The idea that capitalism will continue, and her stance on Growing the economy, it only means continuing the inequality and misery of existing workers.

Donald says he'll do that outright,  Harris will too, she just frames it nicer.


As for Israel, well, they're a better ally w/ money vs the broke Palestinians.  So, she's pretty decided on continuing sending them weapons.   Regardless of the morality problem,  this means, it will continue to be a flash point.   Even if you don't care who dies,  it doesn't solve the problem.



She says, she's all about addressing climate change,  Under democrats, we are now the largest oil producer in the world.  We haven't done a damn thing about solar,   she said no fracking,   Now she's all fracking ok.


So, really.  You're looking at 2 Conservative candidates.  One's a nutter,  the other one's a follower.


In the end it doesn't even matter.  The world is arranged how it is arranged, and humans are too stupid to save themselves.


3 Flash points,  Palestine, Ukraine, Taiwan. Trump knows that they're hopeless causes. Harris doesn't seem to actually care either, she just wants to participate. She literally said in her closing statement, she wants to ensure we have the most - lethal fighting force in the world. Meaning, let's continue to solve problems with the threat of violence.  Sounds good.

She says that, with no consideration of how hollow having such a force is.  India can end the world without landing a single nuclear warhead on american soil.  All it has to do, is detonate enough soot to create nuclear winter, and the whole world can suicide together.  That's how trivial it is to end humanity.


Trump is bad for just about everything, but he's stood better and been more amicable regarding the Spheres of Influence.


Our America is not the same super power we used to be, and if we continue to disrespect the nuclear option of other nations, we will very quickly find out leukemia is NO FUN for anyone.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #176 on: Thu, 12 September 2024, 13:25:08 »
Disagree on most points.  Your essay is mere opinion, but you present it as truths.  This is my opinion as well.  Equally valid to yours  :cool:

I'm more interested in starting to fix the rot in our own country.  This is top of my list.  One candidate has a path in the right direction.  She earns my vote
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #177 on: Thu, 12 September 2024, 14:12:07 »
Is the lack of the following that's crippling America.

Abortion
Fracking
Military spending
War

Both candidates intends to increase all 4.

Trumps slightly less on war,  Harris slightly more on war.  But both war.


Neither party has done or intends to do anything about climate change.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #178 on: Thu, 12 September 2024, 14:21:35 »
Is the lack of the following that's crippling America.

Abortion
Fracking
Military spending
War

Both candidates intends to increase all 4.

Trumps slightly less on war,  Harris slightly more on war.  But both war.


Neither party has done or intends to do anything about climate change.


I disagree.  It's the lack of courtesy, compassion, understanding, professionalism, and personal responsibility on display by many of our leaders crippling America. We cannot solve any of the issues you have listed until we can come together to fight them.  A president cannot fight climate change without the support of congress.  Congress is currently unwilling to take any action that would allow the president to succeed.  We need to fix this problem.  Which candidate seems more likely to tackle that issue?  Seems like a Harris win to me.  The current political atmosphere being stagnated by a loud minority able to filibuster any action needs to be swept clean.  I hope enough Democrats are elected this year to finally move forward.
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #179 on: Thu, 12 September 2024, 15:11:38 »

It's the lack of courtesy, compassion, understanding, professionalism, and personal responsibility


And above and beyond that - putting the good of the country above all else.

It was not always that way. I grew up in a country that believed in moving forward.

Even Nixon, the Republican, for all of his failings, was responsible for establishing the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) !
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #180 on: Thu, 12 September 2024, 15:21:29 »
Which candidate seems more likely to tackle that issue? 

Neither...

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #181 on: Thu, 12 September 2024, 15:25:06 »
And above and beyond that - putting the good of the country above all else.

It was not always that way. I grew up in a country that believed in moving forward.

Even Nixon, the Republican, for all of his failings, was responsible for establishing the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) !

Nixon/Reagan would be considered liberal lunatics today like Sanders.

Harris does not put the good of the country ahead of anything. She's a puppet at best. She does not have the clot, monetary or political to do anything of consequence.

Trump does, he chooses not to do anything good, but he does have alot of leverage coming from a criminal background.

Voting for Harris is extremely dangerous when it comes to matters of war.  Harris can not steer american military industrial. She just doesn't have the kompromat.

Trump, is going to trash everything, but he is pliable enough, HIS COWARDICE, is not likely to get us into an actual war.


You'd be surprised, for all the racist proud-boy support Trump has given,  Orthodox Jews in america OVERWHELMINGLY support Trump.

Tp4 has lived in Jew towns most his life,  it's weird, but they want Trump.

WHY,  they have their eyes on a few things, Israel, Less War spending, More Money for the rich.

The only thing Jews care about other than being Jewish, is money, that is a shallow thing, but it is also an extremely-practical-Metric, they're very in-tune with the political ramifications on the middle class..

Jewish people are the greatest historical survivors. They are above all else, Pragmatic.

There's alot of text, on historical crimes committed by them, and the current Zionist (Nazi) Israel doing a genocide on Palestine, but which culture hasn't done all of that at some point, at least 1/3 of America still considers black Americans an inferior race.   Human beings are going to do this, some level of racism is biologically rooted.


But these issues are NOT important.  What neither candidate will commit to is tackling climate change.

They're both committed to the capitalist economic growth model, which just amounts to burning more. Even if you burn fossil fuels into solar, it's still more burning.
 

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #182 on: Thu, 12 September 2024, 15:52:55 »
Putting it together, Who should we vote for.

Doesn't matter,  just pick one, they're both incredibly bad.

Less likely of war going w/ Trump (in the short term), long term, probably War.

Climate change devastation will continue to get worse, and accelerate under either candidate.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #183 on: Fri, 13 September 2024, 01:53:44 »
Putting it together, Who should we vote for.

Doesn't matter,  just pick one, they're both incredibly bad.

Less likely of war going w/ Trump (in the short term), long term, probably War.

Climate change devastation will continue to get worse, and accelerate under either candidate.

Maybe, but I think it's clear whose actual agenda is giving the super-rich massive tax cuts and sabotaging your constitution in such a way that it permits effective dictatorship, and whose isn't.
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #184 on: Fri, 13 September 2024, 06:40:14 »
Maybe, but I think it's clear whose actual agenda is giving the super-rich massive tax cuts and sabotaging your constitution in such a way that it permits effective dictatorship, and whose isn't.

Money under capitalism has its own gravity, the Super Rich, will continue to get super richer, tax cuts or no tax cuts.

Worrying about that is pointless if the general population decides not to rebel against capitalism itself.


There is a problem of dictatorship, but at this point, the climate crisis is so dire, a dictator might end up being slightly better than a stupid, purposely mis-educated public.

Look at China and their solar,  that was Emperor Xi, waving his hand. He said DO A SOLAR, and the Chinese did a solar.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #185 on: Fri, 13 September 2024, 07:58:59 »

Orthodox Jews in america OVERWHELMINGLY support Trump.

the current Zionist (Nazi) Israel doing a genocide on Palestine


The excellent book Jewish History, Jewish Religion by Israel Shahak concisely puts this in perspective (and it is less than 200 pages long).

As long as the Orthodox have significant political power in Israel there will never be acceptance of Palestinians in Israel - and that is based on the Orthodox definition of what "Israel" is.
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #186 on: Fri, 13 September 2024, 09:08:03 »
The excellent book Jewish History, Jewish Religion by Israel Shahak concisely puts this in perspective (and it is less than 200 pages long).

As long as the Orthodox have significant political power in Israel there will never be acceptance of Palestinians in Israel - and that is based on the Orthodox definition of what "Israel" is.


It's a good book, fohat.

In the human world, if you don't do a genocide, no one takes you seriously.  That's been the model every empire, including America, followed since records began.

Unfortunately, Nature will genocide all of mankind, soon, very soon, because we're not taking climate change seriously.

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« Reply #187 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 12:54:40 »

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« Reply #188 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 16:03:32 »
There is no doubt that he is mindless and incoherent.
Educated and rational people cannot bear to listen to it.

The best way to think about it is as his followers resembling the dog in this cartoon.
Their minds are generally disengaged but will respond momentarily to triggers, cheering, not necessarily only to "dog whistles" but also simply to words and phrases that have been repeated enough times to become recognizable and embedded.

How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #189 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 16:24:43 »
This is ****ing hilarious :XD: .

The comedy is on point, but one MUST emphasize.

Democrats / Harris will do nearly the EXACT same things Trump is doing/did going forward.

- Expand Economy (burn more fossil fuels).

- Produce more Fossil Fuels (We've become #1 oil producer under Biden). Harris wants to expand further, she walked back on fracking, and now fully endorses it. Cornell study just came out, fracking is WORSE THAN COAL, due to un-avoidable methane leakage across the production stack.

- Increase Military Spending, Harris unambiguously said she will do that during her Debate closing. The American military collectively is by far the #1/#2 carbon footprint on the planet, next to animal agriculture.

Neither has committed truly to any semblance of carbon reduction.

- Electrification is just kicking the can down the road, the Fossil fuel burned INTO electrical infrastructure, but NET-emissions will continue to increase over the next 30 years. 30 years we don't have.


Like I said, just pick 1, they're equally bad.

Trump = lower risk of war in the short term
Harris = larger risk of war in the short term

Those are the only relevant differences, but it is slight, they're both marching us towards conflict.

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« Reply #190 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 17:40:15 »
Sure, just flip a coin.

How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #191 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 17:54:23 »
What depresses me is Taylor Swift is likely going to sway people who were on the fence. Because some random celeb should have the weight to decide an entire countries election... I ****ing hate this world.

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #192 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 18:30:42 »
Sure, just flip a coin.



Fohat. You are constantly attacking trump, the PERSON.  No one disagrees he's a bad guy.

Look at the facts of our system and our real political decisions. The democrats, biden, harris, is doing, and Will-Do exactly the same job as Trump.

Harris Biden, may be better people,  but they follow the exact guideline laid out by the existing system, as Trump did.

Bernie Sanders was our only hope, and YOUR generation (the most politically and economically repsonsible) failed America by not supporting him. 

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Re: dey'gon'git'Drumph'dis'tine'o'no?
« Reply #193 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 18:34:50 »
What depresses me is Taylor Swift is likely going to sway people who were on the fence. Because some random celeb should have the weight to decide an entire countries election... I ****ing hate this world.

Democracy is an ideal, but as applied to humanity, it's been a con/ illusion.

We do vote,  we vote for killing animals,  more fossil fuels to feed our garbage collecting,  and completely disregard the real costs on the environment.

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« Reply #194 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 20:40:50 »
Bernie Sanders was approximately in my generation. I have 2 "Bernie" T-shirts, along with my Elizabeth Warren shirt.

Political change is always glacial, no matter how pressing the issue.
But the Left has almost always tacked toward the arc of justice, while the Right invariably tacks away from it.
How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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« Reply #195 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 20:57:50 »
That is blatantly false.

We have 2 Right wing parties today, one very right, one extreme.  The left does not exist in american politics.

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« Reply #196 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 21:12:01 »
That is blatantly false.

We have 2 Right wing parties today, one very right, one extreme.  The left does not exist in american politics.


What is your vision of the left? A bunch of freebleeding anticapitalist anarchists tossing molotov's at banks?

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« Reply #197 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 21:25:59 »
That is blatantly false.

We have 2 Right wing parties today, one very right, one extreme.  The left does not exist in american politics.


What is your vision of the left? A bunch of freebleeding anticapitalist anarchists tossing molotov's at banks?

It did not used to be a radical idea that the PEOPLE who worked at the factory would Own It.

America had a shot at this,  it was a very popular idea, even during Fohat's time, but it terrified the Owners of men.  And so america strongly pivoted against it, crushing all notions of it.

The fact that you associate ""freebleeding anticapitalist anarchists"" with something bad, unruly, devious, deviant,   is precisely the malicious indoctrination our-Owners planted in your education.   

Our entire culture is designed around making psychopaths the hero. Nearly every major american movie/ video game is a murder simulator that solves all problems with gun violence.  Good guy, bad guy, killing is the solution.

We are to be envious of oppressors, to worship and become them.

Earning a Wage as we do today is not different from Slavery.

In truth, you are in debt the moment you are born, you MUST make money to ensure your very right to exist, you have no claim to life until you accept those terms.

The Oligarchs have the exclusive right to Print money, and exclusive rights to violence, to kill you for stepping out of line.

Every other post, NT, you complain about your predicament, I can not ascertain if in truth you are as close to the line as you describe,  but the facts of the SYSTEM are right in front of you, it's directly responsible for your isolation and narrow options.


As for TP4's vision,    Let's get this climate change out of the way, before we discuss ideals.

Tp4 would gladly support a dictator at this point if it meant REDUCED CARBON EMISSIONS, the End of animal agriculture, and active reforestation..

Leaving decisions in the hands of an idiotic populace injected with deliberately bad education, taught to consume and collect garbage, to champion garbage as the epitome of Stylish living. Nothing good can come of this.

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« Reply #198 on: Tue, 17 September 2024, 01:59:01 »
That is blatantly false.

We have 2 Right wing parties today, one very right, one extreme.  The left does not exist in american politics.


What is your vision of the left? A bunch of freebleeding anticapitalist anarchists tossing molotov's at banks?
I must admit that from a foreigner's perspective, the Democrats and Republicans seem like right-wing extremists and right-wing fundamentalists, respectively.

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« Reply #199 on: Tue, 17 September 2024, 08:17:38 »

Democrats and Republicans seem like right-wing extremists and right-wing fundamentalists


It was not always like that.

Before the late 1970s there was some measure of balance, but the election of Reagan 1980 produced a (stealthy) colossal lurch toward right-wing extremism and set the stage for more forces that have been dragging us rightward ever since.

Not the least of which was the elimination of "the Fairness Doctrine" in broadcasting which did not allow media outlets to relentlessly hurl out one side of a political issue without presenting the other side at all.

How the hell or why did you become a DEMO-crat?” He asked.
“Long story, but it started with Nixon, then I was educated and know history as the Republicans are all about getting power to exploit it to their benefit, while Democratic politicians, for the most part, are for distributing things more equitably. I’ll finish with the overwhelming sociological and psychological evidence in studies that identify that conservatives see the world through inherent inequity where the elite or those who seek to be elite are superior to the commoners, and it is they who should lead. At the same time, liberals look at the world as inequality and seek to make the world more equitable, and that all should be represented. Ultimately, conservatives trust those in authority, while liberals inherently distrust those in authority to take advantage for themselves or their constituency.”
He looks up and says, “No one ever explained that to me, and then asks, “If **** Cheney thinks that Trump is that bad, then it's not about DEMO-crats vs Republicans, is it.”
I resume walking and then say, “Hey, you got it; it's the Democratic and old Republican parties versus Trumpism, which is American fascism aided by the Russians.”
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