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Windows 11 (to be announced June 24, due in October)
« on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 00:29:20 »
Windows 11?
But I thought Windows 10 was the last Windows, well it was according to Microsoft but plans change (and branding is hard and expensive).

So what's expected?
No one's actually put out anything (announcement is June 24) but we can probably make some predictions based on what was/is scheduled for Windows 10 and other ideas they've floated and where the market is headed. MS isn't really that innovative which makes them rather predictable.

The easy:
We know there is new icons coming, and that they plan to make a new push on the app store but those are planned for Win10, I suspect app store will be VERY prominent. There's also long (too long) talk of finally killing the old control panel. While I and probably you would like to say good riddance be careful what you wish for. There is quite a few areas of the new layout that is quite bad and being a control panel I suspect this is left to the lowest programmers because it just needs to function which is a low bar. Most of this was slated for Win10 they just hadn't been rolled it out, will they hit Win10 before Win11 is difficult to say but odds are they will be in Win11.

The more difficult guess:
The most likely and the reason for the name change though is also the most radical, Windows is going web based and/or subscription based. It's long been rumored to be going subscription based but why web based? Because Chrome. The biggest threat to Windows in the last 30 years is not Mac, not Linux, not IOS or Android, it's Chrome. It runs on cheap devices and more importantly it's KILLING them in schools. What happens when those students are making buying decisions for companies? MS is close to losing an entire generation of Windows users and they need it to stop. This also ties those users to their app store which is like a built in monopoly, and this is one fight MS doesn't even have to fight, Apple is doing that for them. Going web based would allow them to put back the last missing bit of spyware, key logging. It was in Win10 early on but removed after France started asking questions.

My bet is they planned on a whole new name but creating a new brand from scratch is hard (and expensive) which is why the Galaxy name encompasses almost every Samsung phone and tablet instead of just the high end model, why we have a SUV based For Mustang. MS is equally bad if not worse Windows S, Windows X, Windows RT or better still just look at the Xbox naming system, It's pretty much a given they at least considered calling this Windows 365 but speculation points to it having a final name of Windows 11 based on a Youtube post put up by MS.


Other predictions:
Soft locked to the App store - Similar to current macs, it will heavily rely on the app store. It may or may not default to this but it will have a toggle.
Spyware - if web based it will allow them to re-enable the keylogger which is pretty much the only thing missing.
Possibly Linux kernel based - A very long shot but more likely on a web based version.

Will it be good?
Generally every other Windows version is good, personally I think this is a poor metric but people like to use it. XP was good, Vista was bad, 7 was good, 8 was bad, but do we count 8.1? The other problem is the very nature of Win11, if it's web based it will be something very different so it could be a home run or a complete and utter flop depending on who you ask, the one is you will have even less control of your computer. Personally, I want it to be good and I'm sure a lot of people will love it but there is almost zero chance this will be good for end users as a whole or even the industry, maybe even the planet to be honest. Extreme? How many laptops on the market are disposable and irreparable as of now? If this is web based and all your data is online you have even less reason to repair an older system and stores will just encourage you more and more to just replace it, just as Apple does now. Like Apple, MS is fighting right to repair legislation and this would fall right into that trap. After all, why fix it when you can get a shiny new computer for only a little more, and it comes with a new Windows license. Want to switch to Mac, sorry all your data is in the cloud so it won't be an easy move. So again, will it be good? Absolutely not, but it won't be obvious to most right away because all they will see is shiny.
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Re: Windows 11 (to be announced June 24, due in October)
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 00:48:14 »
Prolly something around a custom cpu.  There's no way windows can continue to compete in the mobile space as is.   Apple's m1 and ios is a knock out.

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Re: Windows 11 (to be announced June 24, due in October)
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 01:10:47 »
I'm expecting a total ****-show, in typical Microsoft fashion. Forced subscription-based Windows RT, or something like it.
Something that nobody wants.
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Re: Windows 11 (to be announced June 24, due in October)
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 01:24:50 »
Since Win10 has taken to holding my pc hostage to force updates I don't want I'll be switching to Linux

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Re: Windows 11 (to be announced June 24, due in October)
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 02:36:43 »
Just the other day I was thinking about how long it has been since windows has tried to shill a new OS. Well now I know.

If it is subscription based, I am out. If I am forced to deal with an app store daily, I am out.

Then again I was literally looking at the new macs thinking about over paying for one simply because it comes in purple and I do **** all gaming now. Potentially, looking at being locked into 4 years of intensive tertiary education so only need a word processor and basic internet access. At least it would look pretty. Oh **** what happened to me.


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Re: Windows 11 (to be announced June 24, due in October)
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 07:26:53 »
Potentially, looking at being locked into 4 years of intensive tertiary education so only need a word processor and basic internet access. At least it would look pretty. Oh **** what happened to me.

Kekekekeke, fanpeeps gon' be aruond all them tertiary education females.

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Re: Windows 11 (to be announced June 24, due in October)
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 07:47:46 »

Kekekekeke, fanpeeps gon' be aruond all them tertiary education females.


Yeah unfortunately these arn't the party every weekend types.

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Re: Windows 11 (to be announced June 24, due in October)
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 07:51:14 »

If it is subscription based, I am out. If I am forced to deal with an app store daily, I am out.


Windows has tended to support versions after they are superseded, for some reasonable amount of time at least.

How long do you think that the "last" Windows version will be supported and used - realistically?

The installed base is obviously vast.
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Re: Windows 11 (to be announced June 24, due in October)
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 07:58:31 »
There's no way windows can continue to compete in the mobile space as is.   Apple's m1 and ios is a knock out.
Doesn't matter how good it is, it's the default.
If you only knew how hard it was to get companies to spend more than even $300 on laptops and desktops you would understand why Mac has zero chance in those offices and that was just ones that sit on a desk, they switched to laptops because they were "cheaper than desktops".  It took 10 years to up-sell an owner from Emachines to a modest core I5 with 1300 resolution. That doesn't even get into the hassles of printers, scanners and various software suites, there's still A TON of industry specific websites that require Internet Explorer to function. No Edge, no Chrome or Chrome Edge and hell no to FIrefox, ONLY I.E. runs them.

Nor does it cover the training necessary to switch an office over. I spent 5 years getting an office to switch to a file server so at least they could say organized rather than all the data spread out over shared drives systems across 6 different systems. Getting them to agree to it took 5 years. I never got them off that before they broke the backup system and decided to switch to a Google Drive, which would have been a lot easier had they finally put all their data on the file server, but they hadn't. At this point things are spread across 3 systems, plus Google drive and the only backup is what's on Google and the Quickbooks which is backed up on two thumbdrives like it always has.

There is zero chance either of those offices will switch to anything Apple.
You have as much luck switching a photography shop to PC as you do switching an office over to Apple products, it just won't happen because the walls of the garden are just too tall for them to overcome even when they want to.

I'm expecting a total ****-show, in typical Microsoft fashion. Forced subscription-based Windows RT, or something like it.
Something that nobody wants.
There's long been rumors that if they did there would be a traditional license as well.
However many have speculated a free ad based version as well, which I guess you could almost say that's sort of how Win10 is currently done.


Then again I was literally looking at the new macs thinking about over paying for one simply because it comes in purple and I do **** all gaming now. Potentially, looking at being locked into 4 years of intensive tertiary education so only need a word processor and basic internet access. At least it would look pretty. Oh **** what happened to me.
They do look tasty and I do like the idea of ARM.
I'd want to see how some specific apps run as well as a couple specific WINE apps before I committed. I would also wait for M2, 16 or 32 cores, plus 32gigs ram in a long battery life laptop? Yes please!

More and more is geared toward the web, at this point we really only need a beefy GPU for a few things as even a laptop can manage 6 cores and 16 gigs of ram these days and power even the most hungry GPU. In fact Chrome on Windows is more resource intensive than almost any AAA game title. So yeah, it;s not surprising you can get away without a gpu and some of the new IGPUs are really not bad even then.
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