GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC

[IvanIvanovich]

True, you can get 480gb ssd from mushkin or pny for like $160. While not top performance models on iops, they are still fine especially as a secondary drive. I think it's kind of funny that you can now buy 1TB for about the same price as I paid for my first SSD which was only 80GB many years ago.
Though I still will hold onto my past comments... unless you really need to buy or are getting a really good sale price on something I would wait. As for NVMe... it's going to be like moving from IDE to sata. It will be a big deal. Sata wasn't designed with solid state in mind, but NVMe is and will address all those shortcomings.

[noisyturtle]

Yeah, I paid $200 for a 250GB only last year, and am not super anxious to throw more money at the same thing in such recent succession.

[tp4tissue]

True, you can get 480gb ssd from mushkin or pny for like $160. While not top performance models on iops, they are still fine especially as a secondary drive. I think it's kind of funny that you can now buy 1TB for about the same price as I paid for my first SSD which was only 80GB many years ago.
Though I still will hold onto my past comments... unless you really need to buy or are getting a really good sale price on something I would wait. As for NVMe... it's going to be like moving from IDE to sata. It will be a big deal. Sata wasn't designed with solid state in mind, but NVMe is and will address all those shortcomings.

Please explain how NVMe will affect us Peasants working with low queues..

Samsung web says, improved sequential performance (useless), improved latency from 10us to 3us whooptifreakindoo.. (useless)

This is solely a data centers game..  completely irrelevant to average consumers.

[tp4tissue]

Look at this picture..  the p3700 gots the nvme...

Doesn't do jack ****..

Look at the 4k, bar in the middle..  see how it remains virtually UNCHANGED between nvme and single sata.

[tbc]

is nvme even enabled on consumer chipsets yet?

i imagine that when nvme becomes standard, people will just buy a new SSD with nvme support and relegate their current SSD to secondary/storage purposes.

[tp4tissue]

is nvme even enabled on consumer chipsets yet?

i imagine that when nvme becomes standard, people will just buy a new SSD with nvme support and relegate their current SSD to secondary/storage purposes.

You need at least a z97 platform for Nvme support..

But I'm telling ya'll,  it doesn't do anything AT ALL for consumers..

It's a good thing if it's there,  but it's hardly a feature you'd upgrade-to-get.. because it offers zero advantage at low queue depths..

[IvanIvanovich]

When they won't cost any different... why argue against it though? Also, crystalmark is a really crappy benchmark which none of the serious ssd reviewers even use anymore. Pretty much any other benchmark shows results starting at 90MB/s with nvme drives on 4K random starting at QD2 depending on the drive for the consumer tier stuff with some able to do as much as 200MB/s. Enterprise stuff needs a larger QD but can hit up into the 700MB/s plus. On sequential we're looking at 1GB/s speeds.
That intel drive result you selected is also one of the worst performers available. But I can only assume you did that intentionally for your argument.
Do most people need that kind of performance right now? Surely not... but if it's not going to cost much more than current sata ahci drives there is no reason not to step up. It's going to be the standard sooner than later.
Yeah intel 9 series has nvme natively with m.2 support, though not all boards implemented it fully. Otherwise you need a pci-e ssd (or pci-e m.2 adapter card) and UEFI motherboard. Many of them don't work properly as boot drive on old bios systems, they don't even show up in the boot selection.

[tp4tissue]

When they won't cost any different... why argue against it though? Also, crystalmark is a really crappy benchmark which none of the serious ssd reviewers even use anymore. Pretty much any other benchmark shows results starting at 90MB/s with nvme drives on 4K random starting at QD2 depending on the drive for the consumer tier stuff with some able to do as much as 200MB/s. Enterprise stuff needs a larger QD but can hit up into the 700MB/s plus. On sequential we're looking at 1GB/s speeds.
That intel drive result you selected is also one of the worst performers available. But I can only assume you did that intentionally for your argument.
Do most people need that kind of performance right now? Surely not... but if it's not going to cost much more than current sata ahci drives there is no reason not to step up. It's going to be the standard sooner than later.
Yeah intel 9 series has nvme natively with m.2 support, though not all boards implemented it fully. Otherwise you need a pci-e ssd (or pci-e m.2 adapter card) and UEFI motherboard. Many of them don't work properly as boot drive on old bios systems, they don't even show up in the boot selection.

It most definitely WILL COST MORE..

If it didn't cost more.. you'd not see any argument from me..

How does upgrading a platform not cost money

How does buying new drives not cost money

Does that New drive translate to improved performance FOR regular people vs their existing SSD drive or cheaper drives without NVME?

Drive speeds at low queue depths is not bottlenecked by ahci.. 

Drive speeds at high queue depths is..


Since we don't actually use high queue depth in the desktop environments..

ANYONE with current platforms should NOT upgrade FOR THAT FEATURE alone..


I don't disagree that it's an uptick of a feature.. my point is that, that-uptick, is not something which Applies to ANYONE outside of Enterprise.

[hking0036]

How? It doesn't even look really really great. All these games keep getting bloated but I'm not seeing much improvement at all (watch dogs, CoD Ghosts, etc)

[tp4tissue]

How? It doesn't even look really really great. All these games keep getting bloated but I'm not seeing much improvement at all (watch dogs, CoD Ghosts, etc)

Conspiracy to sell Larger SSDs.

[hking0036]

How? It doesn't even look really really great. All these games keep getting bloated but I'm not seeing much improvement at all (watch dogs, CoD Ghosts, etc)

Conspiracy to sell Larger SSDs.

I'm too stupid to figure out how youtube embeds work yet

[tp4tissue]

How? It doesn't even look really really great. All these games keep getting bloated but I'm not seeing much improvement at all (watch dogs, CoD Ghosts, etc)

Conspiracy to sell Larger SSDs.

I'm too stupid to figure out how youtube embeds work yet

YouTube linking broken. Someone 's not fixing it

[IvanIvanovich]

Larger textures are more noticeably better on higher resolution like 1440p or above. Additionally they look better from the start so you don't need to apply as much or any AA or AF in some cases which improves overall performance without the need for the extra post processing. Though, what I don't understand is why procedural generation isn't used more. You get a lot of the same benefits without the huge increase in needed disk space.


As for youtube embed... it's not 'broken' per se, just gimped right now as it won't show up on some browsers without choosing to allow mixed content.

[tp4tissue]

Larger textures are more noticeably better on higher resolution like 1440p or above. Additionally they look better from the start so you don't need to apply as much or any AA or AF in some cases which improves overall performance without the need for the extra post processing. Though, what I don't understand is why procedural generation isn't used more. You get a lot of the same benefits without the huge increase in needed disk space.


As for youtube embed... it's not 'broken' per se, just gimped right now as it won't show up on some browsers without choosing to allow mixed content.

Jeez, not everybody rich and got super CPU power for them procedural trees like u Ivan

[IvanIvanovich]

It doesn't require a lot of processing power generally if it's implemented properly. It's been around for some time now as a technique so is fairly mature though for some reason is not utilized much. For example

kkreiger, while old from 2004 was 100% procedurally generated and the whole game was only 96k. It looks just as good as most other games from the same period. I'm sure they could do similar level of current games with updated techniques and would be no problem for modern quad cores.

[tbc]

http://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/327/what-happened-to-procedurally-generated-textures

[Ramuq]

Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD

[tp4tissue]

Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD

That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

[DrHubblePhD]

Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD

That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

[tp4tissue]

Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD

That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

well if you want to do it before you die..

You'd need multiple readers,  and an auto swipe mechanism.. could be kinda cool..

[Ramuq]

Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD

That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

I actually had one of these, I used it all of about twice I think haha. We need some type of eReader to usb connector now...

[DrHubblePhD]

Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD

That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

I actually had one of these, I used it all of about twice I think haha. We need some type of eReader to usb connector now...

Can someone confirm the amount of data held on a single card?

[Ramuq]

Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD

That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

I actually had one of these, I used it all of about twice I think haha. We need some type of eReader to usb connector now...

Can someone confirm the amount of data held on a single card?

No idea how big they can get, but one can hold Mario bros from  the Nes which is about 24 kb. Assuming you you have one 25 kb strip per card it would take 2,600,000 e reader cards to hold the game.

[noisyturtle]

Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD

That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

I actually had one of these, I used it all of about twice I think haha. We need some type of eReader to usb connector now...

Can someone confirm the amount of data held on a single card?

1mb flash ROM, so it'll take a while )

[vivalarevolución]

This thread just inspired me to delete Grand Theft Auto off my computer.