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Offline gnmar2723

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Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« on: Mon, 10 July 2017, 22:28:08 »
I like to think I'm a minimalist, but keyboards have me thinking otherwise. I want to get in on the Orange TKL, and the E6-V2 when that happens too... GMK sets like Solarized Dark and Nautilus are trying very hard to get my money but have failed up until this point.
My head is starting to hurt because part of me wants ALL THE KEYBOARDS while the other (and frankly more sensible part of me) wants just one keyboard to use all the time joining a couple of group buys per year max 'cause some stuff this community makes is just too awesome to say no to.

I bought into YURI and got:

Base
Cyrillic
Icon Mods
Glorious Kit
Spacebars


That's $288.94 I won't see for a while.
Solarized Dark would set me back $212
Nautilus would set me back $200



TL;DR:
Please give me some words of wisdom on keyboard spending when FOMO is very, very polarizing.

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 10 July 2017, 23:09:09 »
It's easy to dive into a new hobby and be absolutely overwhelmed by all of the new and shiny things that you could buy. Even when you've been in it for a while, sometimes you just see all of this new stuff that is available and go berserk. It happens. However, you might find that a keyboard budget could do you some serious good. This could be a set amount each month that you can easily afford. You should not be going into debt or putting off other important financial goals just to buy keyboard stuff. If you can't afford it, save up for it.

I have a set amount of cash that I have invested in keyboard stuff. I do not go over that amount without first selling off something that would allow me to buy it. Every few months I hack down my collection so I can buy new shiny things. I try not to get attached to things, and once they fall out of use I get rid of them. You mentioned being a minimalist, I would suggest applying some of those thought processes into keyboards as well.

Finally, you need to ask yourself what your goal in this hobby (and the spending) is. Mine was originally to find the "perfect" keyboards for home and work. As of right now, I've met that goal and I now just get new keysets and random artisans that catch my eye when I feel like it. If a better keyboard comes along, I will sell off one of my older ones and some keysets to fund it.

If you find yourself unable to control your spending, you need to take a serious look at your habits and behavior, make some goals, and start changing. People can get addicted to buying anything, not just keyboards. Be smart about it and don't spend more than your budget allows.

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 00:00:29 »
If you are not aware of What Else you could be doing with your money.


Then Keyboard is as good an expense as any.







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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 00:11:53 »
my mira slot was $550 and i haven't even ordered switches yet

desko was $90 to go on it

switches will probably be another $60

shipping will be another $75 for all the **** i gotta buy

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:10:33 »
I think it's understandable, I remember when I first joined Headfi there were so many choices with headphones, amps etc and I went a bit crazy.

The way I started to look at things afterward is- how much use is each one going to see for the amount paid? The $1000 AKG K1000 I was using for many hours a day was a better value proposition than the 3 $300 headphones that saw less use.

Similar thing with keyboards. When it comes to buying something- can I easily recoup what I paid, how much use is it going to see, first and foremost I see them as tools not something to look at, etc. With those simple questions I realized I only need 3 end game keyboards. Haven't really seen much in GBs that has tempted me outside of the new F77 so can't really offer much advice there on FOMO.

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:14:22 »
I think it's understandable, I remember when I first joined Headfi there were so many choices with headphones, amps etc and I went a bit crazy.

The way I started to look at things afterward is- how much use is each one going to see for the amount paid? The $1000 AKG K1000 I was using for many hours a day was a better value proposition than the 3 $300 headphones that saw less use.

Similar thing with keyboards. When it comes to buying something- can I easily recoup what I paid, how much use is it going to see, first and foremost I see them as tools not something to look at, etc. With those simple questions I realized I only need 3 end game keyboards. Haven't really seen much in GBs that has tempted me outside of the new F77 so can't really offer much advice there on FOMO.



Just because you SEE them as tools,   doesn't mean they're actually tools..

All things used for entertainment purposes are expenses.

They are not value added to your life ..

 Unless you're an actual music mixing artist for a living, you NEVER recoup a damn thing on a headphone or keyboard,


Don't confuse the 2..  you did NOT invest into anything,  you SPENT, and it's gone..

Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:32:15 »
I think it's understandable, I remember when I first joined Headfi there were so many choices with headphones, amps etc and I went a bit crazy.

The way I started to look at things afterward is- how much use is each one going to see for the amount paid? The $1000 AKG K1000 I was using for many hours a day was a better value proposition than the 3 $300 headphones that saw less use.

Similar thing with keyboards. When it comes to buying something- can I easily recoup what I paid, how much use is it going to see, first and foremost I see them as tools not something to look at, etc. With those simple questions I realized I only need 3 end game keyboards. Haven't really seen much in GBs that has tempted me outside of the new F77 so can't really offer much advice there on FOMO.



Just because you SEE them as tools,   doesn't mean they're actually tools..

All things used for entertainment purposes are expenses.

They are not value added to your life ..

 Unless you're an actual music mixing artist for a living, you NEVER recoup a damn thing on a headphone or keyboard,


Don't confuse the 2..  you did NOT invest into anything,  you SPENT, and it's gone..

Uh why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said most of those things except that keyboards are tools, that is my opinion and how they function for me.

I never mentioned anything about investments and I have always recouped most of what I paid or even more on those things by purchasing smart.

I'm an MD and type quite a bit due to everything being on EMR, so yeah having a good tool most certainly helps and pays for itself.

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:52:29 »

Uh why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said most of those things except that keyboards are tools, that is my opinion and how they function for me.

I never mentioned anything about investments and I have always recouped most of what I paid or even more on those things by purchasing smart.

I'm an MD and type quite a bit due to everything being on EMR, so yeah having a good tool most certainly helps and pays for itself.


What's happening is you're justifying your purchases as tools After the fact.. hahahahaha.

merely pointing that out, 


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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:58:15 »
Finally, you need to ask yourself what your goal in this hobby (and the spending) is. Mine was originally to find the "perfect" keyboards for home and work. As of right now, I've met that goal and I now just get new keysets and random artisans that catch my eye when I feel like it. If a better keyboard comes along, I will sell off one of my older ones and some keysets to fund it.

Exactly the same with me (except for the artisans part).

My original goals were made a bit more complicated (than originally anticipated) because I later decided I also needed mechs (at work and at home) for my iPad. And that has been its own journey of discovery. But I neither need nor want more keyboards at this point. It's all about dressing up the ones I have already, either with different keysets or with aluminum replacement cases and such. Of course, new keysets can be expensive all by themselves, so it's not like I'm not still spending significant $$$ on this "hobby"...  :thumb:

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:58:59 »
Uh why are you putting words in my mouth?

You must be new here. Please don't feed the troll.

Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:41:51 »

Uh why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said most of those things except that keyboards are tools, that is my opinion and how they function for me.

I never mentioned anything about investments and I have always recouped most of what I paid or even more on those things by purchasing smart.

I'm an MD and type quite a bit due to everything being on EMR, so yeah having a good tool most certainly helps and pays for itself.


What's happening is you're justifying your purchases as tools After the fact.. hahahahaha.

merely pointing that out,

You're again fabricating something that I didn't write. As I clearly spelled out in my post after my numerous Headfi purchases I formulated a series of questions on what I am looking for. I apply some of this to my keyboard purchases before I make them. "The way I started to look at things afterward" meaning from then on.
« Last Edit: Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:44:05 by directheatedtriode »

Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:42:52 »
Uh why are you putting words in my mouth?

You must be new here. Please don't feed the troll.

I've been around since the start of the year, but these days I don't spend much time on forums.

I figured as much but didn't want to say it outright, should have stuck to the old adage of not feeding them.
« Last Edit: Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:46:31 by directheatedtriode »

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:43:22 »
delete, meant to hit modify not reply.

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:08:41 »

You're again fabricating something that I didn't write. As I clearly spelled out in my post after my numerous Headfi purchases I formulated a series of questions on what I am looking for. I apply some of this to my keyboard purchases before I make them. "The way I started to look at things afterward" meaning from then on.

Again, you misunderstand what I am trying to say.

You specifically said Recoup what you paid.

In what way.. could you do that with either the headphone, or the keyboard.


Recoup would imply investment (which pays back).  Neither of the purchases you mentioned would count.



Then you go on to justify the keyboard as a tool.  It is a tool but if it doesn't pay back, it's not an investment.

And therefore you didn't buy this object under the Tool intention,  You bought it under the luxury/toy intention,  ONLY to later justify it as a Utility purchase.




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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:09:56 »
Uh why are you putting words in my mouth?

You must be new here. Please don't feed the troll.

I've been around since the start of the year, but these days I don't spend much time on forums.

I figured as much but didn't want to say it outright, should have stuck to the old adage of not feeding them.

Hahahaha


Everyone who disagree with you = -troll-.. 


Nom nom nom

Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:48:02 »

You're again fabricating something that I didn't write. As I clearly spelled out in my post after my numerous Headfi purchases I formulated a series of questions on what I am looking for. I apply some of this to my keyboard purchases before I make them. "The way I started to look at things afterward" meaning from then on.

Again, you misunderstand what I am trying to say.

You specifically said Recoup what you paid.

In what way.. could you do that with either the headphone, or the keyboard.


Recoup would imply investment (which pays back).  Neither of the purchases you mentioned would count.



Then you go on to justify the keyboard as a tool.  It is a tool but if it doesn't pay back, it's not an investment.

And therefore you didn't buy this object under the Tool intention,  You bought it under the luxury/toy intention,  ONLY to later justify it as a Utility purchase.

You're applying some real round about logic here.

In what definition of the word does recoup mean it's an investment? It simply means to get some or all of your money back. I'm not giving away this stuff when I'm done with them. I mean it's a nice consideration to have, but once I've found something I'm completely satisfied with I'm not going to sell it. But it is a nice thing to consider when you are first starting out in a hobby and don't know if you will ultimately keep something or if you want to sell it later down the line, that's why I mentioned it to the OP. For instance if there was a GB that many hundreds of people joined at a high price, there is a chance it won't be that desirable on the secondary market since there are many out there making it a harder resell. Just theoretical, not fact.

An investment is something you put money in with the understanding that it pays a form of income or the underlying instrument appreciates in value. How on earth did I even imply (much less say it as a fact like you are saying I did) that these purchases are investments? I know my real investments in real estate, indexes and my individual long positions. I can't even comprehend how I would ever think of these other things as investments.

And why do you keep insisting that I later justify it as a utility purchase? I'll once again repeat that there are some questions that I ask myself before making these sorts of purchases. I don't buy something then coddle myself into thinking something. I'm sure I did this at some point in my life but I'm far more savvy with money these days.

The luxury goods angle is something I am not disagreeing with you on. I could get by with the stock keyboards we have at work. I chose to use something better on my own accord.

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:50:04 »

Stuff that's wrong.


The word, Recoup_   as per google.

regain (money spent or lost), especially through subsequent profits.
"oil companies are keen to recoup their investment"


--   Therefore,  I said, you implied investment.


The only explanation is, you didn't intend to use the word recoup..

If you want to take that back..

Fine..   but this is all you..  I've done nothing but extrapolate from the given word.


Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:52:27 »
Uh why are you putting words in my mouth?

You must be new here. Please don't feed the troll.

I've been around since the start of the year, but these days I don't spend much time on forums.

I figured as much but didn't want to say it outright, should have stuck to the old adage of not feeding them.

Hahahaha


Everyone who disagree with you = -troll-.. 


Nom nom nom

No, it wasn't the disagreement I took issue with, it's putting words in my mouth or forming erroneous definitions to words then creating an A=B B=C, A=C argument on something that is subjective.

If someone views keyboards as something else I really wouldn't care.

My first post was something I thought could help the OP by giving my own experience of being green in a new hobby.

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:55:01 »

No, it wasn't the disagreement I took issue with, it's putting words in my mouth or forming erroneous definitions to words then creating an A=B B=C, A=C argument on something that is subjective.

If someone views keyboards as something else I really wouldn't care.

My first post was something I thought could help the OP by giving my own experience of being green in a new hobby.


I was not responding to the entirety of your post,  only the misuse of certain terms and principles.


I also have no comment or critique upon your desire to help or imperil the OP.. 

Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:57:35 »

Stuff that's wrong.


The word, Recoup_   as per google.

regain (money spent or lost), especially through subsequent profits.
"oil companies are keen to recoup their investment"


--   Therefore,  I said, you implied investment.


The only explanation is, you didn't intend to use the word recoup..

If you want to take that back..

Fine..   but this is all you..  I've done nothing but extrapolate from the given word.

I didn't look up the definition so I didn't know it had to mean tied to an investment.

I've seen it used in context like "I'm trying to sell my car to recoup some of my money"

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:59:14 »

Stuff that's wrong.


The word, Recoup_   as per google.

regain (money spent or lost), especially through subsequent profits.
"oil companies are keen to recoup their investment"


--   Therefore,  I said, you implied investment.


The only explanation is, you didn't intend to use the word recoup..

If you want to take that back..

Fine..   but this is all you..  I've done nothing but extrapolate from the given word.

I didn't look up the definition so I didn't know it had to mean tied to an investment.

I've seen it used in context like "I'm trying to sell my car to recoup some of my money"


I thought doctors had to learn all them big words,  or was that lawyers..

hahaha..

eitherway..  Please remain calm.  I harbor no animosity towards you -directheatedtriode- the user..


I've only intended to keep novice users clear on what constitutes an Investment.. 

Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 17:06:37 »

Stuff that's wrong.


The word, Recoup_   as per google.

regain (money spent or lost), especially through subsequent profits.
"oil companies are keen to recoup their investment"


--   Therefore,  I said, you implied investment.


The only explanation is, you didn't intend to use the word recoup..

If you want to take that back..

Fine..   but this is all you..  I've done nothing but extrapolate from the given word.

I didn't look up the definition so I didn't know it had to mean tied to an investment.

I've seen it used in context like "I'm trying to sell my car to recoup some of my money"


I thought doctors had to learn all them big words,  or was that lawyers..

hahaha..

eitherway..  Please remain calm.  I harbor no animosity towards you -directheatedtriode- the user..


I've only intended to keep novice users clear on what constitutes an Investment..

It's all good here and I apologize for the troll comment.

Might be lawyers that have the better vocabulary, I've probably only seen a mild increase since the SAT days!

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 17:16:23 »

It's all good here and I apologize for the troll comment.

Might be lawyers that have the better vocabulary, I've probably only seen a mild increase since the SAT days!


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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 18:29:11 »
I have some kind of OCD when buying stuff.  So before buying I'll usually spend several weeks+ investigating all the options, and try to pick the perfect one.

As we all know, there's no "perfect one".

Therefore usually at the end my passion has shifted to some other stuff, and I end up buying nothing.

So maybe you can try get OCD…  :p
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 18:35:17 »
From another relative new into this hobby.

When buying gmk sets, do you need all the add-ons?
Instead of spending $700 on three sets, you could have gotten three base-kits for 350 or so and possible buy a kit you really want.


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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 19:10:56 »
I have some kind of OCD when buying stuff.  So before buying I'll usually spend several weeks+ investigating all the options, and try to pick the perfect one.

As we all know, there's no "perfect one".

Therefore usually at the end my passion has shifted to some other stuff, and I end up buying nothing.

So maybe you can try get OCD…  :p


OCD is when a person is compelled beyond his own reasoning to do something..

Such as  flip the light switch on and off  exactly 4 times before leaving  a room.



What you are describing is our standard Geek Anal-ness..   hahahahahahha

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 19:49:10 »
OCD is when a person is compelled beyond his own reasoning to do something..

Such as  flip the light switch on and off  exactly 4 times before leaving  a room.

From Google: OCD: Excessive thoughts that lead to repetitive behaviors.

Sounds pretty fitting to me~~

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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 20:29:59 »
I think that OCD is more common among anal geeks though.

I had OCD when I was a kid but I grew out of it. Then I became an anal geek.
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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 21:01:16 »

Stuff that's wrong.


The word, Recoup_   as per google.

regain (money spent or lost), especially through subsequent profits.
"oil companies are keen to recoup their investment"


--   Therefore,  I said, you implied investment.


The only explanation is, you didn't intend to use the word recoup..

If you want to take that back..

Fine..   but this is all you..  I've done nothing but extrapolate from the given word.

From Oxford English Dictionary:

"Reimburse or compensate (someone) for money spent or lost."

The word does not necessarily imply investment or the expectation of profits.

To OP: Every hobby needs a budget or it can easily get out of hand. If you feel so compelled by something that you need it, it must either fall under your budget or you need to sell off something else in order to fund it. Taking on debt to fund hobbies is a decision that can easily come back to haunt you later in life. This is why I'm not allowed to buy cars anymore.  :'(

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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 21:05:33 »

Stuff that's wrong.


The word, Recoup_   as per google.

regain (money spent or lost), especially through subsequent profits.
"oil companies are keen to recoup their investment"


--   Therefore,  I said, you implied investment.


The only explanation is, you didn't intend to use the word recoup..

If you want to take that back..

Fine..   but this is all you..  I've done nothing but extrapolate from the given word.

From Oxford English Dictionary:

"Reimburse or compensate (someone) for money spent or lost."

The word does not necessarily imply investment or the expectation of profits.

To OP: Every hobby needs a budget or it can easily get out of hand. If you feel so compelled by something that you need it, it must either fall under your budget or you need to sell off something else in order to fund it. Taking on debt to fund hobbies is a decision that can easily come back to haunt you later in life. This is why I'm not allowed to buy cars anymore.  :'(


Incorrect,  it absolutely does imply investment


You neglected to quote the very second line. from oxford

-- Regain (money spent) through subsequent profits.

Profits from what..  again, their example ---‘oil companies are keen to recoup their investment’--



Recoup's use in the context of having SPENT MONEY on something implies investment..



Stop doing all this dodgy ****.. what are you trying to say.. hahahahaha..


Tp4 , best english..


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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 21:56:11 »
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Offline gnmar2723

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 22:33:09 »
Just read this: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67980.0

I do believe I've read that before. It probably is time for a reread though  :rolleyes:

Either way, I think I've resisted Solarized Dark for now!! One small step of downsizing at a time.

I'll make another mechmarket post tomorrow too...  :thumb:

Offline Lazylewis

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 12 July 2017, 16:28:01 »
OP I suffer from the same issue. What makes it worse is I like every switch type, keyboard size and keycap profile. I enjoy them all in some way and it means I can't even narrow my purchases down through preference.

Sorry, I have no advice. But I will say this, when I added up all I've spent on keyboards over the last couple of years it was still less than a mid range MacBook Pro. And I wouldn't feel at all guilty if I'd bought one of those over a two year period.

Offline ander

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 13 July 2017, 00:15:08 »
In our culture, from an early, highly suggestible age, we're bombarded by powerful ads created by psychologists who know every persuasive, manipulative trick in the book. We're methodically, mercilessly conditioned to never be satisfied with what we have—to continually crave novelty; to always want more, more, more.

So it's no surprise most of us have deep emotional "needs" (i.e. compulsions) to own every pretty thing we see—even something as inherently ridiculous as fancy keyboard buttons (a set, or even just one) that cost more than a whole keyboard.

To try to answer the OP's question: Depending on the effectiveness of the brainwashing programming you've received as a consumer, you may have to go ahead and buy everything you want, then let it sit around for while, before you understand hat the desire to buy it was what motivated you, not the desire to own it. Once you've bought it, it's just more stuff.

Ever have a friend or relative who planned to marry someone that you and everyone else knew was no good for them, and that such a marriage was doomed to fail? It would've been futile trying to talk them out of it; they had to go through the process to see that it was the idea of being married that they were in love with.

That's how it is with buying stuff. If you're lucky, you eventually realize how suggestible you are when it comes to buying all kinds of stuff, not just something as specific as variations on the same keyboards.

As an artist, I admire beauty and creativity. But to me, a keyboard is first and foremost a writing tool, and how it feels and responds to my particular touch is far more important than how it looks. The very idea of keyboards that light up in pretty colours seems ludicrous to me—the idea is to focus on your writing, not to look at the thing you're writing with. Would you stare at a pen you were using? Why? (That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they were making multi-colour LED-encrusted pens now, too... People will buy anything that's flashy and pretty enough.)

If you want to take a big shortcut, just keep 2 or 3 boards you really enjoy typing and/or gaming on, and consider everything else an addiction you've chosen to transcend. That's my advice—but of course whether to take it or not is up to you.
We are not chasing wildly after beauty with fear at our backs. – Natalie Goldberg

Offline antquinonez

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 13 July 2017, 09:56:05 »
Put your stuff on eBay. Make it someone else's problem. One big auction, all items. Be decisive. And let me know the link.

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 13 July 2017, 10:08:27 »
I don't know if I can quite advise on this addiction because I've only begun my descent into the rabbit hole.
I lurked on this forum for a while before making a user and the one thing I've seen posted that seemed to work for people is setting a budget for every month that you can put aside or spend on keyboard related things.
I started by doing this and because of it, I've never spent too much money.

Also, makes me feel better about my wife knowing because I'm not spending money we might need down the road.

Offline Abradolf

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 13 July 2017, 11:57:45 »
Same here.  I've been trying to squash my consumerism addiction for a while.  I've done away with fancy cars, and other high price items, but I can't seem to shake keyboards & headphones.  I don't have great advice (otherwise I wouldn't be here) but I have had some success with setting a rule of only having keyboards that I use daily; nothing collecting dust.  If I want to buy another keyboard, well then I need to first sell the expensive one I have now.  You'll still be spending $$$ but at least they won't pile up in the closet like mine did for years.
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Offline shadowku

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 13 July 2017, 12:04:12 »
I think what people have mentioned here is great advice.
Setting aside an allowance of some sort and not going over is very useful because it will promote you to sell stuff off to buy other new stuff. It works because you can only be using a few keebs at a time, nameonly only 1 at a particular instance (unless you have a separate numpad or something similar).

If you're buying stuff that's popular and unique, like group buy kits, they're often very resellable. Some of the newer Massdrop-made kits might be harder to sell now because the volumes are enormous. I bought GMK Plum, and if I wanted to sell it, I wouldn't profit much if any at all (I might lose actually since I had to pay duties), and the same might happen with Nautilus and the KType, simply because there's saturation.
If you naturally like unique things, then the stuff you buy will retain value.

I blatantly lost money when I bought my Zealencios, only to see the new QMK silencers drop on MD which are much cheaper. But other than that, I haven't lost much money.

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Offline antquinonez

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 13 July 2017, 13:30:51 »
You know, there's no addiction if you actually use them! Buy more computers. Get some cheap Raspberry Pys, put them all over your home.

Offline gnmar2723

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 13 July 2017, 19:22:14 »
In our culture, from an early, highly suggestible age, we're bombarded by powerful ads created by psychologists who know every persuasive, manipulative trick in the book. We're methodically, mercilessly conditioned to never be satisfied with what we have—to continually crave novelty; to always want more, more, more.

So it's no surprise most of us have deep emotional "needs" (i.e. compulsions) to own every pretty thing we see—even something as inherently ridiculous as fancy keyboard buttons (a set, or even just one) that cost more than a whole keyboard.

To try to answer the OP's question: Depending on the effectiveness of the brainwashing programming you've received as a consumer, you may have to go ahead and buy everything you want, then let it sit around for while, before you understand hat the desire to buy it was what motivated you, not the desire to own it. Once you've bought it, it's just more stuff.

Ever have a friend or relative who planned to marry someone that you and everyone else knew was no good for them, and that such a marriage was doomed to fail? It would've been futile trying to talk them out of it; they had to go through the process to see that it was the idea of being married that they were in love with.

That's how it is with buying stuff. If you're lucky, you eventually realize how suggestible you are when it comes to buying all kinds of stuff, not just something as specific as variations on the same keyboards.

As an artist, I admire beauty and creativity. But to me, a keyboard is first and foremost a writing tool, and how it feels and responds to my particular touch is far more important than how it looks. The very idea of keyboards that light up in pretty colours seems ludicrous to me—the idea is to focus on your writing, not to look at the thing you're writing with. Would you stare at a pen you were using? Why? (That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they were making multi-colour LED-encrusted pens now, too... People will buy anything that's flashy and pretty enough.)

If you want to take a big shortcut, just keep 2 or 3 boards you really enjoy typing and/or gaming on, and consider everything else an addiction you've chosen to transcend. That's my advice—but of course whether to take it or not is up to you.

I think that's it. I think the reason I want all this stuff is just because I envision that when I have that specific thing, that I'll be done; I'll have found my "endgame." But that's just silly because it will go on forever.

Endgame doesn't magically appear like some divine keyboard falling from the heavens, you gotta just pick one you like the most and choose to be happy using it.

Offline Zobeid Zuma

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Re: Keyboard Addiction? Please Advise
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 14 July 2017, 12:42:42 »
I'm sort of standing on the brink, myself.

I've been using a Unicomp Spacesaver M for several years, but at the same time I was unaware of this whole hobby and community that was growing.  Now that I've discovered it, I can see so many tempting things. . .

I'm tempted by the WhiteFox.  It seems like a very optimized keyboard design for someone who (like me) has grown up with GUI-WIMP oriented computers, is comfortable using the mouse to control the computer, and has little patience for learning keyboard shortcuts -- which means I have little use for the keypad, function keys, nav keys.  I do, however, type quite a bit.  Remember typing?  Yeah.

I'm tempted by the new Model F.  When I got the Unicomp, I thought the "legendary" Model M would be like the great keyboards on the old IBM PCs that I remembered from school.  When I got it, I was disappointed.  This case is all plastic!  It creaks when I flex it!  The key action sounds cheap and doesn't feel like what I remember!  I thought my memory was just playing tricks on me.  Turns out, a Model M and Model F are two different things.  Who knew?  Now I could actually get a keyboard more like the ones I remember so fondly.

I'm tempted by the Keyboardio.  The idea of a completely optimized keyboard with no regard for all the legacy "standards" and fossilized conventions that have held us back for decades?  I'm sure it would take some adapting, but what a fascinating experiment!

I need another hobby like I need a hole in my head.  On the other hand, I'd like to think I've learned a few things from my past obsessions.
  • Hold out for the really good stuff, not whatever happens to be in stock or on sale.
  • Be aware that anything customized or very obscure is usually much harder to sell.
  • Don't be afraid to sell something that fails to delight you.  EBay is your friend.