Better accepted payment method for selling online instead of Paypal?

[LiquidEvilGaming]

So let me explain what i mean exactly here.  For a long time i used to use Ebay and paypal and sold several computers/keyboards etc that did not get used and for the most part all went well.  With the recent changes to Paypal it's GREAT for buyers but HORRIBLE for sellers...enough so i had so many bad experiences i finally closed both my Ebay and Paypal account.  Just to give one example i sold one Corsair board with a signature required...buyer claimed he didn't get it even though i had proof of signature he disputed it with Paypal saying the signature was not his ..but even though i had insurance since the USPS considered signature proof of delivery i ended up having to foot the bill.   That was not the first nor last time something akin to that ended up happening sadly.

So i'm at the point now anyone who is willing to meet up in my local town has more or less bought a keyboard from me who wished to do so (Or i'm just seeing a VERY slow period using online want ads etc in my area) but i have a good 4-5 boards i want to sell off still.  I'd like to get back into selling some of these online on places like GH or other websites/forums but i'm not really sure what payment method to get into accepting that is safer for me to accept as the seller.

Any recommendations of good payment methods to get into that i can transfer to my bank account after the fact?  Ones that don't have rules that are 110% anti seller like Paypal does?

Thanks in advance for the help!

Cheers

[FLFisherman]

Check out Google Wallet. I've not used it much myself, but I hear it's a pretty decent alternative to PayPal.

[LiquidEvilGaming]

Check out Google Wallet. I've not used it much myself, but I hear it's a pretty decent alternative to PayPal.

When i get a chance i will do some reading on it thanks.  Was not aware google wallet could be used in such a way.

[FLFisherman]

Check out Google Wallet. I've not used it much myself, but I hear it's a pretty decent alternative to PayPal.

When i get a chance i will do some reading on it thanks.  Was not aware google wallet could be used in such a way.

I think it's not used too often because it's a little more difficult to file claims (as a buyer). You actually have to call customer support for it.

[tp4tissue]

There's nothing else like ebay or paypal proliferation in the USA..



What you can do..

//buy less keyboards

//sell to well known members only

//accept the risk of strangers

//give away your keyboards to pretty girls in exchange for the opportunity for....

[LiquidEvilGaming]

There's nothing else like ebay or paypal proliferation in the USA..



What you can do..

//buy less keyboards  (We all know that will never happen with most people here) =p

//sell to well known members only (Yeah a major reason i stopped using EBay, hoping forums etc go better)

//accept the risk of strangers (Not worth it)

//give away your keyboards to pretty girls in exchange for the opportunity for....(Since i'm married the opportunity to...Help me clean my apartment?)

[fohat.digs]

Just about everything is deeply prejudiced in favor of buyers and against sellers. Look at credit cards.

I don't think that there is much way around it.

Until a few years ago, sellers could leave negative feedback against buyers on ebay. No more.

[appleonama]

use square you can send an invoice through their service. I'm not sure how secure it is unfortunately paypal is the most commonly used

[SpAmRaY]

Just about everything is deeply prejudiced in favor of buyers and against sellers. Look at credit cards.

I don't think that there is much way around it.

Until a few years ago, sellers could leave negative feedback against buyers on ebay. No more.

What still blows my mind is when I had the opposite experience, an eBay seller sent a used incomplete version of what I bought (it wasn't a brand new item but was supposed to be old stock like new and complete or at least the photo was and description said so) and when I messaged the seller asking if I was sent the right item, because he had multiples in varying condition listed, the seller went off on me, threatening me, accusing me of being a scammer, just being vile and everything so I filed a claim and after some back and forth eBay ultimately sided with the seller and I couldn't even leave any feedback.

I sell much more than I buy anymore and I try avoiding eBay unless I'm buying from a companies storefront or unless it's something really cheap to begin with.

But there really isn't a good alternative to PayPal for selling, I know some people have asked for Amazon payments before but I'm not overly familiar with those, and we've had people ask for payment through things like chase pay, it's like sensing cash electronically but even then I think someone tried a chargeback claiming identity theft.

I try to be selective with selling some things but often there isn't a large enough pool of buyers to pick and choose so I just package well and hope for the best.

[hifimanz]

The most important thing as a seller is the little box titled "terms and conditions".  If you do research and carefully word your T&C's you are practically bullet proof.  I've had two shady buyers and both lost and I didn't even need a signature delivery

[SpAmRaY]

The most important thing as a seller is the little box titled "terms and conditions".  If you do research and carefully word your T&C's you are practically bullet proof.  I've had two shady buyers and both lost and I didn't even need a signature delivery

So can you share some of those terms?

Do they keep idiots from asking for refunds?

[LiquidEvilGaming]

The most important thing as a seller is the little box titled "terms and conditions".  If you do research and carefully word your T&C's you are practically bullet proof.  I've had two shady buyers and both lost and I didn't even need a signature delivery

My terms and conditions on EBay were iron solid or so i thought...According to Ebay and Paypal though their policies trump the sellers.  So no matter what you say they can invalidate it at their discretion less you are willing to take EBay and or Paypal to court.   Which over 150$ wasn't worth even trying honestly.

[LiquidEvilGaming]

...grrr So sadly after i was set on google payments to move forward 48 HOURS after i got my card to use with the service...google is discontinuing the physical card...so now now yet again i am looking for an alternative that offers a physical usable card in addition to it's payment accepted services.

[chuckdee]

Check out Google Wallet. I've not used it much myself, but I hear it's a pretty decent alternative to PayPal.

Google wallet is in the midst of a transition right now (they're going to discontinue the cards on 6/30).  Just a warning that what you see now might not be what you see later.  They did say they were dropping that in order to make it easier to send and receive money from the wallet app.  But somehow, that makes me less sanguine, not more.

After careful consideration, we’ve decided that we’ll no longer support the Wallet Card as of June 30. Moving forward, we want to focus on making it easier than ever to send and receive money with the Google Wallet app.

UPDATE: Sorry, didn't see that you'd gotten the note too.  I've almost decided to just use square to sell.  It seems pretty good from the people using it I've talked to.  But I'm in the same boat as you, unfortunately.

[LiquidEvilGaming]

Anyone have any other suggestions since this post has not been seen in awhile?  I hate the thought of even thinking about Paypal since they literally screw sellers without the chance of defending yourself..

Would like to start selling things online again but if i can't find another alternative i'm forced to stay local.  I need an alternative that..

Does not require i link my personal banking information

Has an easy way to withdraw the money

Does not allow the buyer to refund for whatever reason he or she wishes without the seller getting a chance to defend against fraud or NO RETURNS listings other than the buyer just having buyers remorse.

[berserkfan]

Liquidevil, have you not seen my latest thread? https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81369.0

Paypal basically screwed my moving sale. AND they never stopped money coming in even after they limited my account. IE they don't stop buyers from paying into a black hole.

If I hadn't posted and told everyone to stop paypaling me, I would probably have collected more money... that I can't spend anyway.

And PP doesn't side with buyers totally.

I once bought a Model M keyboard that looked good on ebay. Photographed well.

Came to me full of nasty sounds and whole thing was shaking when you pressed keys.

Opened it and a cascade of rivets poured out.

I complained, PP took side of seller and accepted his claim that 'I voided my warranty by opening the keyboard' since I made the mistake of opening and photographing all the dropped rivets. Also seller had said specifically in his T&C that keyboard was 'in good condition but not guaranteed working' (you know all the Model M sellers on Ebay say something like this). So paypal was not expecting keyboard to work.

If I had chosen to do buyer fraud, ie if I had claimed seller sent me an empty box, paypal would have sided with me.

In fact that was what I did when a seller sent me a Model M 'in good condition but not guaranteed to work' which photographed well, but which actually stank of URINE and had all the hammers rusted up. Since I couldn't prove keyboard smelt of urine unless I went to Paypal Singapore's HQ, I decided to tell paypal something different.

So yeah, be pragmatic by all means. I learned from this nasty experience that it is better to lie to paypal in some cases. If item photographs well and seller looks likely to get away based on his t&c, you might have to lie too.

[LiquidEvilGaming]

Liquidevil, have you not seen my latest thread? https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81369.0

Paypal basically screwed my moving sale. AND they never stopped money coming in even after they limited my account. IE they don't stop buyers from paying into a black hole.

If I hadn't posted and told everyone to stop paypaling me, I would probably have collected more money... that I can't spend anyway.

And PP doesn't side with buyers totally.

I once bought a Model M keyboard that looked good on ebay. Photographed well.

Came to me full of nasty sounds and whole thing was shaking when you pressed keys.

Opened it and a cascade of rivets poured out.

I complained, PP took side of seller and accepted his claim that 'I voided my warranty by opening the keyboard' since I made the mistake of opening and photographing all the dropped rivets. Also seller had said specifically in his T&C that keyboard was 'in good condition but not guaranteed working' (you know all the Model M sellers on Ebay say something like this). So paypal was not expecting keyboard to work.

If I had chosen to do buyer fraud, ie if I had claimed seller sent me an empty box, paypal would have sided with me.

In fact that was what I did when a seller sent me a Model M 'in good condition but not guaranteed to work' which photographed well, but which actually stank of URINE and had all the hammers rusted up. Since I couldn't prove keyboard smelt of urine unless I went to Paypal Singapore's HQ, I decided to tell paypal something different.

So yeah, be pragmatic by all means. I learned from this nasty experience that it is better to lie to paypal in some cases. If item photographs well and seller looks likely to get away based on his t&c, you might have to lie too.

Ah no i had not yet seen that thread as this one was started awhile back that i just recently re posted to with the same issues.  That is really sad and unfortunate to hear =/  Knowing Paypal though it does not shock me sadly, and is one of several reasons i refuse to do business with them as a seller.  I can literally feel your frustration through my monitor reading that post though..you truly have my sympathy.