Spyware/Big Brother built into CPU's?

[dante]

I've read in more than one thread about "spyware" being hidden in CPU instruction sets to do things like for example prevent Windows 8.1 from being installed.

Is there a document/webpage describing:
1. All the different things these instructions have been found to do?
2. Where was the "cutoff" date/generation of processor?  For example did all of this begin recently within Skylake?
3. Do AMD processors also have this?

Thanks! 

[Arallu]

Read up on CPU microcode.
Couple articles: https://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/2009/06/more-thoughts-on-cpu-backdoors.html
"On systems newer than the Core2 series, the ME cannot be disabled" - https://boingboing.net/2016/06/15/intel-x86-processors-ship-with.html
Yes, AMD processors have it also - http://techgage.com/news/amd-and-intel-chips-nsa-inside/
"AMD to fix slippery hypervisor-busting bug in its CPU microcode" - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/06/amd_microcode_6000836_fix/

[tp4tissue]

Intel has an Army of the most Intelligent, most singularly focused, most aspergie people on the planet..


You're telling me,  this bunch left a hardware security flaw at that low a hardware level ?



There's clearly a conspiracy here....



Intel fabs also make most of the specialized chips for the Military..  It is afterall an American company..



The military industrial complex is strong,   but bombs are mostly useless in times of peace..


So the most useful agency is very much on the digital frontier.. and they work through espionage..



Now,  let's say you want to hack other nation states..



You can't sell a chip to them different from the domestic variety,  because then that demonstrates Intent..


BUT , as long as you produce the security door across the entire line...   they would never have a political excuse...




Intel processors are ubiquitous,   even if a military installation can afford to roll their own stuff,   not all of the people who work there can afford to at home..


So the security you need to penetrate starts at the consumer level..  then works its way in from there..




They hack your pc, setup monitoring, worms...   when you plug in ur ipho,   they crawl onto that..


Then when you go to wurk and show a coworker a funny cat video, the worm rebuilds in the back ground extracting piggybacked data from the cat video...    then on it goes,  eventually, someone tries to charge their ipho at work despite the no outside device rule..   annnnnnd you get access to someone's uranium schedule..

[Spopepro]

So I've had access to Intel spec sheets that have to be hand courriered and returned to the red slot so they can always be tracked. As an aside: it was a research fellowship (ASDG, SoC, SoftIP for those playing at home, although this was a couple of reorganizations ago) where I was working on some stuff with some verification engineers. I can't say anything about what was in those docs (although the chips have all been released at this point) but:

1) there are too many people involved in too many departments to make a "secret" backdoor. If it's in there, hundreds or thousands of people have had to work on it, and they will have to be told what it does.
2) most security flaws are often a consequence of wanting convenience. You can see this all over. It's not hard for a great feature to quickly turn into a critical bug.
3) the issue here is that there really isn't a way to patch silicon. there are some things you can do in software, but it's always going to be an issue, which is why you see people freak out about it.

But no, there is no conspiracy. Just sometimes ideas that turn out to be not great, or substandard implementations.

[tp4tissue]

So I've had access to Intel spec sheets that have to be hand courriered and returned to the red slot so they can always be tracked. As an aside: it was a research fellowship (ASDG, SoC, SoftIP for those playing at home, although this was a couple of reorganizations ago) where I was working on some stuff with some verification engineers. I can't say anything about what was in those docs (although the chips have all been released at this point) but:

1) there are too many people involved in too many departments to make a "secret" backdoor. If it's in there, hundreds or thousands of people have had to work on it, and they will have to be told what it does.
2) most security flaws are often a consequence of wanting convenience. You can see this all over. It's not hard for a great feature to quickly turn into a critical bug.
3) the issue here is that there really isn't a way to patch silicon. there are some things you can do in software, but it's always going to be an issue, which is why you see people freak out about it.

But no, there is no conspiracy. Just sometimes ideas that turn out to be not great, or substandard implementations.

Spopepro = Intel Espionage member..

Of course there's no conspiracy..

[fanpeople]

So I've had access to Intel spec sheets that have to be hand courriered and returned to the red slot so they can always be tracked. As an aside: it was a research fellowship (ASDG, SoC, SoftIP for those playing at home, although this was a couple of reorganizations ago) where I was working on some stuff with some verification engineers. I can't say anything about what was in those docs (although the chips have all been released at this point) but:

1) there are too many people involved in too many departments to make a "secret" backdoor. If it's in there, hundreds or thousands of people have had to work on it, and they will have to be told what it does.
2) most security flaws are often a consequence of wanting convenience. You can see this all over. It's not hard for a great feature to quickly turn into a critical bug.
3) the issue here is that there really isn't a way to patch silicon. there are some things you can do in software, but it's always going to be an issue, which is why you see people freak out about it.

But no, there is no conspiracy. Just sometimes ideas that turn out to be not great, or substandard implementations.

Sorry I am really bored and I acknowledge you have ****ing 100000 times practitioners experience with regards to this subject but I have like 5 weeks of holidays left and I am ****ing bored already, so i'm going to feed the tp conspiracy for ****s and gigs.

What about the projects that go on in area 51 (not the alien sex parties, like the actual design of aircraft of keeping them commies in check). I believe they are compartmentalised to the point where only a handful of people know what the end result will be. So you have a myriad of engineers and techs designing and creating parts for a project without any clue as to the end result. Do you think there is any chance that the same could theoretically happen with the magic that happens at intel? What if a part of the design process was left till the end and tacked on so to speak? WHAT IF THE CIA HAS EMPLOYEES ON THE PAYROLL AT INTEL..... WHAT IF INTEL IS THE CIA. What if tp works for the CIA and is on this forum to spread dis-information via a reverse double-positive.

TP = CIA


On a side note... I highly doubt a company so globally established would risk getting caught enabling the US govt. spy effort in that way. Firstly whether it gets found out in a year or 20-30 years, the reputation damage would be pretty big... so big that I imagine a lot of state and large companies would cease using their **** for fear of corporate spy's utilising the backdoor (lol backdoor) as well as the obvious like a government not wanting their information sapped by the long **** of the United States spy community. Secondly surely if they were caught, it would have to be in violation of some form of contract they have with someone, somehow. So much so that I imagine the court cases to follow would be pretty big.


What triggered this bull****, was it just an offhand from tp or did one of the articles have something about this.

If it was written by this guy than its pretty safe to say that the fact checking was very very well done

[SpAmRaY]

[tp4tissue]

Intel IS a military contractor..     Corporations are not separate from government.   We only arbitrarily deem smaller corporations as   Apart from the Government for organizational sake..


But once the company control key technologies (with military application),  and reach a critical size... the lines between it and government blurs..


Who do you think makes all the top secret one off chips for all them bombs / satellites/ guidance/ radar ..



Once you're in bed with ,, the government,,    Money takes on a different meaning..  because now you've also got power..

Consumer goods , is then important, but very much a matter of appearance..



Notice how IBM doesn't look profitable at all,  you don't hear about them,   what are they doing.. 


Secret government stuff,   that's what they're doing..   Unlimited money,  because America just Prints the stuff..

[tp4tissue]

For example..   Huawei, Lenovo, Tencent,  =  China NSA..


This type of organization is the same across all nations,   the only small difference is America utilizes the fascade of Freedom to control its subjects... 

[fanpeople]

Intel IS a military contractor..

Who do you think makes all the top secret one offs chips for all them bombs / satellites/ guidance/ radar ..

So is or were General Electric, IBM, Honeywell, Hewlett-Packard, Mitsubishi, Texas Instruments, Rolls-Royce even ****ing Caselabs hints at supplying defence thus making them a contractor.

No one is saying that they are not a military contractor, I would think it would harder to find a large company that has not at one point been a military contractor than it would to find one that has.  I don't see how this is relevant to the back door (lol backdoor) you were talking about.

Just because they make chips for bombs still does not aid the backdoor theory (lol backdoor=anus). How many one offs do they make? Most **** seems to be COTS wacked into a device to make a liberation balloon (im sure the advanced **** requires specialised inventions), like I don't know I am asking i'm not saying they don't please don't confuse my words for sarcasm.

Pls enlighten, I have like 5 weeks......

[fanpeople]

Intel IS a military contractor..     Corporations are not separate from government.   We only arbitrarily deem smaller corporations as   Apart from the Government for organizational sake..


But once the company control key technologies (with military application),  and reach a critical size... the lines between it and government blurs..


Who do you think makes all the top secret one off chips for all them bombs / satellites/ guidance/ radar ..



Once you're in bed with ,, the government,,    Money takes on a different meaning..  because now you've also got power..

Consumer goods , is then important, but very much a matter of appearance..



Notice how IBM doesn't look profitable at all,  you don't hear about them,   what are they doing.. 


Secret government stuff,   that's what they're doing..   Unlimited money,  because America just Prints the stuff..

Why the **** do ****ing write one line of words and then edit it later after i've finished writing a post and hit submit.

[tp4tissue]

Intel IS a military contractor..     Corporations are not separate from government.   We only arbitrarily deem smaller corporations as   Apart from the Government for organizational sake..


But once the company control key technologies (with military application),  and reach a critical size... the lines between it and government blurs..


Who do you think makes all the top secret one off chips for all them bombs / satellites/ guidance/ radar ..



Once you're in bed with ,, the government,,    Money takes on a different meaning..  because now you've also got power..

Consumer goods , is then important, but very much a matter of appearance..



Notice how IBM doesn't look profitable at all,  you don't hear about them,   what are they doing.. 


Secret government stuff,   that's what they're doing..   Unlimited money,  because America just Prints the stuff..

Why the **** do ****ing write one line of words and then edit it later after i've finished writing a post and hit submit.

//// To surprise the Enemy.. 

///  Ya'll'll never knowz what Tp4 is thinkin' @ ///

[fanpeople]

Intel IS a military contractor..     Corporations are not separate from government.   We only arbitrarily deem smaller corporations as   Apart from the Government for organizational sake..


But once the company control key technologies (with military application),  and reach a critical size... the lines between it and government blurs..


Who do you think makes all the top secret one off chips for all them bombs / satellites/ guidance/ radar ..



Once you're in bed with ,, the government,,    Money takes on a different meaning..  because now you've also got power..

Consumer goods , is then important, but very much a matter of appearance..



Notice how IBM doesn't look profitable at all,  you don't hear about them,   what are they doing.. 


Secret government stuff,   that's what they're doing..   Unlimited money,  because America just Prints the stuff..

Why the **** do ****ing write one line of words and then edit it later after i've finished writing a post and hit submit.

//// To surprise the Enemy.. 

///  Ya'll'll never knowz what Tp4 is thinkin' @ ///

haha its cuz you decided after posting to dig the rabbit hole deeper, you aint the Sun Tzu of the internet lol.

[Leslieann]

I've read in more than one thread about "spyware" being hidden in CPU instruction sets to do things like for example prevent Windows 8.1 from being installed.

Kaby lake Win10 only.
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/01/2031247/new-intel-and-amd-chips-will-only-support-windows-10
Skylake has been given a 1 year extension, as driver updates were going to expire soon.


Keep in mind, it's still possible to install Win7 and 8, it's just more difficult, and there won't be drivers for everything.

[tp4tissue]

//// To surprise the Enemy.. 

///  Ya'll'll never knowz what Tp4 is thinkin' @ ///

haha its cuz you decided after posting to dig the rabbit hole deeper, you aint the Sun Tzu of the internet lol.

Maybe I am , Maybe I'm not , Tiger on paper is better than no Tiger @ all..

/Tp4 Tzu

[tp4tissue]

I've read in more than one thread about "spyware" being hidden in CPU instruction sets to do things like for example prevent Windows 8.1 from being installed.

Kaby lake Win10 only.
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/01/2031247/new-intel-and-amd-chips-will-only-support-windows-10
Skylake has been given a 1 year extension, as driver updates were going to expire soon.


Keep in mind, it's still possible to install Win7 and 8, it's just more difficult, and there won't be drivers for everything.

Tp4 just got der'  xbone controller..   Sigh... can't use cuz I no haz the win10 for firmware update..


Win 10 is inevitable.. But I don't like being pressured this way..