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Understanding Laptop Goop
« on: Sat, 30 September 2017, 11:18:35 »
There is the _conventional_ DIY attitude that laptop manufacturers put Way Too Much cooling compound in their laptops.

So, your internet kids perpetuate that, and how their Re-Paste lower temperatures, and how they know better than Lenovo, Dell,  people who sell billions of these damn things.


So, you might've guessed what I'm about to say,  Big Companies ARE CORRECT.


Blasphemy...  You die Tp4, You die, you go to hell..



The reason they use a thick goop, and use LOTS of it is because laptops are usually BARE DIE.

What that means is an extremely smooth surface, smoother than glass, is in contact with another very smooth polished copper surface, the heat sink.


This causes PUMP OUT..  whereby given time, a thinner more-runny paste will be pushed out between the die and cpu cooler.



The thickness and large quantity of manufacturer goop, forms a thick Wall around the die to prevent pump-out.


Over the entire course of ownership..  This arrangement is more ideal in preserving thermal performance..



Tp4 personally re-paste the most used laptop EVERY YEAR.. But for the users who do not do that... The manufacturer solution is more ideal..



 


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Re: Understanding Laptop Goop
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 30 September 2017, 11:27:23 »
What about the ones who use thermal pads?

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Re: Understanding Laptop Goop
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 30 September 2017, 11:27:49 »
What about the ones who use thermal pads?

same idea..  it prevents pump out.

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Re: Understanding Laptop Goop
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 01 October 2017, 01:30:43 »
There is the _conventional_ DIY attitude that laptop manufacturers put Way Too Much cooling compound in their laptops.

Great, dude—we're truly fortunate to have you as our own personal GH crusader on said topic.

I've always wondered, though, why you felt compelled to make your posts extra-big... It's like you're always shouting, y'know? Is that really necessary?
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Re: Understanding Laptop Goop
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 01 October 2017, 02:08:28 »
There is the _conventional_ DIY attitude that laptop manufacturers put Way Too Much cooling compound in their laptops.

Great, dude—we're truly fortunate to have you as our own personal GH crusader on said topic.

I've always wondered, though, why you felt compelled to make your posts extra-big... It's like you're always shouting, y'know? Is that really necessary?

I am not sure, But my Heart says Maybe.. !

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Re: Understanding Laptop Goop
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 01 October 2017, 04:22:09 »
Wait....
You do realize that it transfers heat BETTER the tighter the fit... I.E. you want to squeeze out as much as you can between them.

So why do manufacturers use lots of thick stuff or pads?  Because they need to make sure there is enough there and do it quickly. The person or machine putting it in place doesn't have the time to put it on in a precise manner, and they want to control for tolerances. Also, the margins, especially on low end laptops is incredibly thin, so while you may be thinking they should use as little as possible, the stuff they use is cheap. If just one fails due to the compound, it would destroy the profits on several hundred laptops, so it's cheap insurance. Another reason for the large thick stuff is it lasts a long time, thinner stuff may work better, but tends to not last as long.

So why change it to something else?
Older stuff doesn't always work well, and there's no way to know how well it's working other than it either being completely bad or you have another to compare it to. Checking it, ruins it. However, even if it is/was good, using better compound is not only insurance, but can also lower temps and therefore reduce noise. Yes, you may need to replace it again in a year or two, something the typical Dell owner will not do, but in exchange for lower temps and less fan noise, many of us are more than willing to make that sacrifice.

So who is right, enthusiasts or manufacturers?
Both.
Like I said, Dell and them want a quick to use, cheap solution that lasts a long time. A few degrees lower temps/fan noise is not worth the more fickle installation and higher maintenance requirements.
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Re: Understanding Laptop Goop
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 01 October 2017, 08:41:14 »
Depending on the curvature / smoothness of the heatsink surface,  nearly all of it gets squeezed out over time if they used a small amount of thin pastes..

It is NOT better if it gets squeezed out.   The delid pumpout problem ever since ivy bridge has been a major issue among enthusiasts.  upwards of +10 C after 6 months.

Everyone agree thinner is better for temperature,  but it won't hold over time when we're dealing with bare die..   OVER TIME is a more important issue, because the majority of users are casuals who pay $50 for an oil change on their car.