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What to do with an alcoholic father?
« on: Tue, 24 October 2017, 18:16:33 »
Not my father...My friend. He's been an alcoholic for years now and my friend has been taking care of him since then. Mr. Smith (not his real name) is a good man despite his drinking problem. I would like to help my friend and Mr. Smith, but I'm not sure where to start.

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 24 October 2017, 18:19:45 »
Bring him some Milwaukee's Best Ice, guaranteed he'll never drink again :D



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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 24 October 2017, 18:59:12 »
I think AAA comes highly recommended.

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 24 October 2017, 19:41:14 »
Sneak  disulfiram into all his alcohol

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 24 October 2017, 20:18:45 »
We're going to need alot more detail..


Different addicts have different life circumstances which require different interventions.


Overall however, if your friend is an adult, and this father is on the older side..  he'll probably die fairly soon, so no wrangling is necessary, (as insensitive as it sounds), the problem will take care of itself.


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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 04:11:54 »
Getting sober will only happen if they want it and they will only stay that way if their situation is improves. By this I mean, if they have nothing to replace that escape/addiction, they will fall back into that pattern (80% relapse).

If one of them brings it up, offer to help any way you can, but otherwise stay out of it. Going to them could be seen as meddling and your attempt to help  could end with you being pushed out of their lives as a result.
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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 07:50:40 »
Getting sober will only happen if they want it and they will only stay that way if their situation is improves. By this I mean, if they have nothing to replace that escape/addiction, they will fall back into that pattern (80% relapse).

If one of them brings it up, offer to help any way you can, but otherwise stay out of it. Going to them could be seen as meddling and your attempt to help  could end with you being pushed out of their lives as a result.



Being pushed away out of their ordeal is probably for the best.

Because whenever a human being is confounded by chemical stims for long durations. Their brain is changed.

They will make non-optimal decisions in ALL regards.

Everything is Worse.



We have to accept that humans are complex machines,  and often times, the effort to save a piece of machinery greatly exceeds what's left of the productivity futures left on that machine.


If you were the man's son.. assuming you're not a total bastard, you'd feel compelled to save your father, and that's fine..   


Relative to the Outside however,  -- In your friend's circumstance --  His family unit is one big machine,  and the father component has broken down,  and essentially if your friend can not salvage himself,  Then the Outside human party will deem the entire-line broken..

 

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 07:55:11 »
Actually, Mr. Smith has already been to AAA. He still came back to his drinking. According to my friend, this all started when his father was included in the retrenchment process of the company and they were not even given with enough money. He worked for the company for 20 years. So sad.

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 08:02:28 »
I heard about a method using opiate-blocker Naltrexone:
Interesting.
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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 08:15:17 »
Actually, Mr. Smith has already been to AAA. He still came back to his drinking. According to my friend, this all started when his father was included in the retrenchment process of the company and they were not even given with enough money. He worked for the company for 20 years. So sad.




Let's say you have an old laptop that isn't working.

We can try to fix it.

If we succeed, this laptop will still be SLOW and operating at a damaged capacity, relative to a NEW laptop.

In fact, the resource it consumes operating at low efficiency could even offset the productive output it ONCE HAD, when it was younger.


If we simply retired this machine, and Replace him with a NEW machine,   The forward sum total productivity of a NEW machine, under Better management (without alcoholism),  has a good chance of greatly exceeding the value of the salvage attempt.



Given that the average american will expire rather quickly on alcoholism due to the standard american diet,  the father probably has earlier stages of arteriole disease and diabetes. (exacerbated by alcoholism)

So it's like trying to fix the broken fan on a laptop that also has a dying hard-drive while the whole thing is also water damaged.. This is not going to be cost-effective for humanity..

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 08:19:47 »
It always comes down to the diabetus


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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 08:22:51 »
It always comes down to the diabetus

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Yup.. Steak and eggs destroys the kidneys..

The kidneys has an extremely tough time processing the high protein meals.


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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 08:25:59 »
The kidneys has an extremely tough time processing the high protein meals.

NO YOUR KIDNEYS HAVE A HARD TIME PROCESSING PAL!!!

Mine process it just fine, Imma go cook me some eggs right now. :D

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 08:28:57 »
The kidneys have an extremely tough time processing the high protein meals.

NO YOUR KIDNEYS HAVE A HARD TIME PROCESSING PAL!!!

Mine process it just fine, Imma go cook me some eggs right now. :D


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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 26 October 2017, 23:10:11 »
Not my father...My friend. He's been an alcoholic for years now and my friend has been taking care of him since then. Mr. Smith (not his real name) is a good man despite his drinking problem. I would like to help my friend and Mr. Smith, but I'm not sure where to start.
Alcoholic here. There's nothing you can do. Either some circumstance will convince him to seek help, or he will get worse and your friend will likely pay the price. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that is the nature of the condition. Alcoholics aren't necessarily bad people, they're just sick. Unfortunately, they will be convinced alcohol is the best medicine for as long as they can get away with it. Sobriety is ultimately better, but good luck convincing one.

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 27 October 2017, 09:23:39 »
Not my father...My friend. He's been an alcoholic for years now and my friend has been taking care of him since then. Mr. Smith (not his real name) is a good man despite his drinking problem. I would like to help my friend and Mr. Smith, but I'm not sure where to start.
Alcoholic here. There's nothing you can do. Either some circumstance will convince him to seek help, or he will get worse and your friend will likely pay the price. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that is the nature of the condition. Alcoholics aren't necessarily bad people, they're just sick. Unfortunately, they will be convinced alcohol is the best medicine for as long as they can get away with it. Sobriety is ultimately better, but good luck convincing one.




Alcoholics have a Cognitive loop where its stability depends on the external chemical - alcohol - .

We have to be careful not to work on loose descriptions, such as -alcoholics see alcohol as medicine-,   They see it as means to stabilize their brain chemistry,   They are also well aware that it is not a medication or at all making them healthier.

The danger of being loose with language here, is it could very easily throw off public awareness, with people not aware of the issue, and worsen perspectives on alcoholics.

If we say, alcoholics think alcohol is medicine,  the public not in the know,  might think, alcohol is not medicine, alcoholics are stupid, they have no will power, they have no self control, they're bad people, and on and on.

But, that is not the case,  Alcoholics have as much self control as a person who is attached to alcohol could have.. they are not stupid, they are chemically -unbalanced-.


But it is the case that the majority of older alcoholics are not cost effective to treat from the social planner perspective.

As a means of species-pride, to dictate to the universe that we humans never give in to environment, and will triumph over dependence,    that's a stretch,   it remains to be proven if this type of effort is truly impact-ful.





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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 27 October 2017, 16:30:06 »
It really depends as to why the drinking started and whether or not they want help. It's tough to see and deal with--especially if it was brought on by tramatic events. They can drink to forget but the brain continues to re-write those memories to new neuropathways regardless of how much they want to forget.
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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 27 October 2017, 16:52:12 »
It really depends as to why the drinking started and whether or not they want help. It's tough to see and deal with--especially if it was brought on by tramatic events. They can drink to forget but the brain continues to re-write those memories to new neuropathways regardless of how much they want to forget.


that is not accurate.

Going through traumatic events may help unravel causes to the initial pathology.

But just because it is common practice to go through these past dives,  doesn't mean its actually very helpful in treating alcoholism.


We are actually woefully ignorant of what needs to be done.

The reason for this is,  there is no motivation in treating addiction in the medical community.



For example, people who eat so much greasy foods, they get diabetes, obesity, and heart disease..


Instead of telling people, hey, it's the grease,     The hospitals and pharmacon rather victims continue doing what they're doing,  THEN offer up surgery and chronic medication to bill the tax payers.


And in further Douchebaggery moves,     The medical industry Actively Suppress Nutrition education IN MEDICAL SCHOOL..


It couldn't be more clear that a capitalist medical Industry, does not want people to _get better_

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 27 October 2017, 17:21:07 »
It really depends as to why the drinking started and whether or not they want help. It's tough to see and deal with--especially if it was brought on by tramatic events. They can drink to forget but the brain continues to re-write those memories to new neuropathways regardless of how much they want to forget.


that is not accurate.

Going through traumatic events may help unravel causes to the initial pathology.

But just because it is common practice to go through these past dives,  doesn't mean its actually very helpful in treating alcoholism.


We are actually woefully ignorant of what needs to be done.

The reason for this is,  there is no motivation in treating addiction in the medical community.



For example, people who eat so much greasy foods, they get diabetes, obesity, and heart disease..


Instead of telling people, hey, it's the grease,     The hospitals and pharmacon rather victims continue doing what they're doing,  THEN offer up surgery and chronic medication to bill the tax payers.


And in further Douchebaggery moves,     The medical industry Actively Suppress Nutrition education IN MEDICAL SCHOOL..


It couldn't be more clear that a capitalist medical Industry, does not want people to _get better_

How about a person story of how alcoholism effected you emotionally? Did you have to pick your father off the floor because he was trying to erase some godawful memory of Vietnam? Let's hear about tp4tissue for once. How does that make you feel? What real world experiences do you have to offer on the topic of alcoholism?
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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 27 October 2017, 17:53:49 »
I guess it doesn't really matter what experiences other people have. It's not like a post on any online forum will change an alcoholic's behaviour. To make a real change you have to be there and be present for the moment. I hope things work out for the best regarding the OP's current situation.
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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 27 October 2017, 17:59:56 »
I guess it doesn't really matter what experiences other people have. It's not like a post on any online forum will change an alcoholic's behaviour. To make a real change you have to be there and be present for the moment. I hope things work out for the best regarding the OP's current situation.

This is not something we know for sure how to fix, generally, successes at conquering late stage addiction are ANOMALIES.

Humans do not live THAT-Long, and it took HALF of most people's lives to build the addiction that they have.


Not saying one shouldn't try or give up,  but there's no real UP ,  once it happens..  It's almost always damage control mode.


Prevention is the best solution.

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 27 October 2017, 19:45:01 »
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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 05 November 2017, 19:32:59 »
Update on this. We recently accompanied Mr. Smith to a therapist and everything is going well so far. Now, he is trying to connect with some alcoholics online. He's been reading this article at <I'm a bot, beep boop> that prompted him to search for online support groups.  I guess this is a good start.
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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 05 November 2017, 19:40:05 »
Update on this. We recently accompanied Mr. Smith to a therapist and everything is going well so far. Now, he is trying to connect with some alcoholics online. He's been reading this article at <I'm a bot, beep boop> that prompted him to search for online support groups.  I guess this is a good start.


Is this...

Are you an ads- hitman  for betterhelp.com ?

Promoting online help groups ?


With only 20 posts, and you've decided to discuss alcoholism about your close friend's father.

//Suspicious.

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 05 November 2017, 20:00:52 »
Well...


Now that we know almonds is a bot ...


This thread is OPEN Topic.

 


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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 05 November 2017, 20:03:22 »
tp4 is even more suspicious with his 10k posts and his talks of veganism
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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 05 November 2017, 20:21:18 »
tp4 is even more suspicious with his 10k posts and his talks of veganism

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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 05 November 2017, 20:46:56 »
Fake news? Botting? Alcoholism? What does it all mean? Why am I posting in this mess..
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Re: What to do with an alcoholic father?
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Fake news? Botting? Alcoholism? What does it all mean? Why am I posting in this mess..

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