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Offline kbye

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[IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 14:35:44 »

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NUE - 60% PCB Gasket Mount

IC FORM LINK: https://forms.gle/e454QypTEHdam3D47

PREFACE

Hi Geekhack. I'd like to share a project I've been working on.

Nue is a 60% plate-less keyboard, using a gasket mount style via tabs on the PCB. My goal was to design a keyboard with a simple aesthetic but also offer something a bit different from other customs, with a specific focus on typing feel and acoustics. Nue is french for "nude", in reference to its plate-less design.

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DETAILS
  • Case Angle: 6 degrees
  • Mounting: PCB gasket mount
  • Materials: 6063 aluminum, clear coated brass weight
  • Front Height: ~18mm
  • Plate: optional
  • PCB: Solder-only STM32 PCB + unified C3 daughterboard. QMK/VIA compatible

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Sound and feel are very important to me, and most of the time prototyping was spent on these aspects. Things I am testing include a combination of:
  • PCB with and without flex cuts
  • 8+ different types of gasket material ranging from different materials, densities, and thicknesses
  • Case foam
  • Optional FR4 full/half plates
A USB-C daughterboard is utilized to alleviate any tension or stress on the port due to flex.

LAYOUT

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Extra PCBs will be available, but it will also be open sourced after the group buy is over.

COLORS + TOP OPTIONS

TBD. I have these four colors in mind, along with WK/WKL/HHKB top options. I will likely decide on just two color/two tops to better manage quality control.
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Please fill out IC so I can gauge what people like.

PRICING & AVAILABILITY

TBD depending on IC. At this time I am looking at a small run with a target price in the low-mid $300s. Extras will be funded out of my own pocket for quality control.


CURRENT STATUS

Latest updates here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108687.msg2972881#msg2972881

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First aluminum prototype has arrived and I've been putting it through the paces. The anodization is really good with only minimal streaks on the interior. Fit is great and no major revisions are needed. The color is not what I was expecting though, it's more mauve/lilac than pink depending on the lighting. I may order a second prototype with small adjustments as well as a different top and color (HHKB maybe).

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More prototype pictures. Proto PCB is green but production version will be black.

As for typing feel, I think it's acceptable but a bit too soft with the flex cuts. I've designed and ordered another round of PCB prototypes with different flex cuts to see how this changes the typing dynamic.

Sound is great in my opinion, but it is always subjective. There is no audible ping that I can hear coming from the case. At this point I don't think case foam is necessary, but I may decide to make this an optional add-on.


TO-DO
  • finish gathering feedback
  • Order second PCB prototype
  • Order second case prototype
  • Continue testing gasket/PCB/plate combinations
  • Sound test
  • Design and order custom packaging
  • Start a discord server for updates
  • Prepare for GB

IC LINK: https://forms.gle/e454QypTEHdam3D47 Please fill out, your feedback is helpful. Thanks for reading!
« Last Edit: Tue, 27 October 2020, 16:23:42 by kbye »

Offline of_sam

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 14:48:03 »
Well done. Solid work so far.

Offline IMZO

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 14:55:46 »
This is so nice, totally for that pink...  :D
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Offline Ustinj

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 14:59:13 »
a strong feeling that it's going to be a great typing board, looks good!

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 15:03:13 »
Very interesting, plateless is the move, will be keeping an eye on this & IC form filled out!

Offline binepad

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 15:13:00 »
Wow it looks amazing and sturdy

Offline deedz

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 15:26:25 »
WKL, 6 degree, gasket, $300?

This is it chief

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 15:40:43 »
I love this. Choosing between the pink and the green is going to be a tough choice

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 16:15:28 »
Awesome.

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 16:37:13 »
Like it

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 16:51:37 »
such pog

Offline kbye

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 17:09:28 »
Thank you everyone for the feedback so far, good or bad I appreciate it all

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Offline Tyler

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 17:52:00 »
color me interested. Looking forward to see how this one turns out.

Offline paqji

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 18:11:34 »
nuclear mac and cheese levels of good

Offline Danyl

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 18:59:40 »
am hot and bothered

Offline keebieweeb

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 22:25:11 »
very interested. this makes me feel things

Offline alspdx

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 23:34:39 »
100% in for Rose or Fern HHKB; Lavender would look great, too!

Offline KFOXE

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 23:41:36 »
Interested, love the design. Hoping you consider adding a purple colourway.

Offline LZRD

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 00:09:52 »
Very interested! GL with IC!

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 02:29:11 »
Loving the feedback you're getting with this my dude, especially with all the work you've put into it. Not sure if I'll join the group buy since money is tight but you have my support <3

Offline te_dulce

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 03:16:00 »
Very cool. Are 1.2mm PCBs in the running?

Offline lakeboredom

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 03:46:48 »
Finally a breakdown pic my caveman brain can understand ha. Nice clean design. Not 100% sold on the side gaskets, I'm guessing they could be left out on preference though.

Offline Skeezy

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 04:04:09 »
Look awesome and love the color choices.

Offline pngu

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 06:26:55 »
Very cool. Are 1.2mm PCBs in the running?

From my personal experience both 1.2mm PCB as well as "flex cuts" are over the top for a PCB-only board, but obviously that's a matter of preference and ultimately up to the designer. As such, I'm very fond of them prototyping different things before even posting the IC, there's too much "brrrr here's a render gimme $600" on GH these days.

Offline Dunne

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 10:54:05 »
Simon approves, so I approve  :thumb:

Offline xarly06

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 10:56:02 »
Oh its looks so good. I'm goong to follow this IC.
Good job.

Offline Dr_D

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 10:59:01 »
Looks interesting, I'll be following this. Any chance for a typing test once you get a proto you're happy with?

Offline kbye

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 20:16:22 »
Loving the feedback you're getting with this my dude, especially with all the work you've put into it. Not sure if I'll join the group buy since money is tight but you have my support <3

Appreciate it bro!

Very cool. Are 1.2mm PCBs in the running?

From my personal experience both 1.2mm PCB as well as "flex cuts" are over the top for a PCB-only board, but obviously that's a matter of preference and ultimately up to the designer. As such, I'm very fond of them prototyping different things before even posting the IC, there's too much "brrrr here's a render gimme $600" on GH these days.

Thank you! This project has been in the works for months but I wasn't comfortable posting an IC until I had a working prototype. That being said, there are already a number of things I'm looking to improve upon based on my testing and community feedback. 1.2mm PCB is one of the changes I will test next, among other things.

Looks interesting, I'll be following this. Any chance for a typing test once you get a proto you're happy with?

Yes! Once I'm satisfied with the proto, I will try to reach out to some streamers as well as record a typing test myself.

Offline Awayhugepickle

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 21:01:59 »
I'm definitely interested in a keyboard with no plate.

Offline ephemeral25

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 21 September 2020, 02:11:59 »
Only recently discovered 60% as fervent TKL user.

Really interesting project, can't wait to see were this ends up.
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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 21 September 2020, 02:54:20 »
Good Job!  ;D

Offline mace8970

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 21 September 2020, 10:39:50 »
Looks great! Any plans to add ESD protection for the PCB?

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 21 September 2020, 11:22:20 »
consider me interested!  :thumb:
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Offline zoo

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 21 September 2020, 11:25:04 »
ever since i found out about idb60, i've wanted a plateless gasket 60%. looking forward to this!

Offline andromache

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 21 September 2020, 12:42:53 »
I absolutely adore everything about this.

Offline kbye

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 21 September 2020, 17:24:30 »
Looks great! Any plans to add ESD protection for the PCB?

I am using the standard unified USB-C daughterboard which has ESD protection :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 21 September 2020, 18:30:45 »
I love the look and design, I think something that could look a little better is using countersunk screws and sockets on the bottom plate instead of the notched out sections. Additionally I'd vote for a 1.2mm pcb option or maybe a full thickness pcb with alpha flex cuts to achieve a somewhat similar effect.

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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 22 September 2020, 01:02:25 »
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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 22 September 2020, 04:48:54 »
it's cute

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 22 September 2020, 05:01:32 »
Very cool. Are 1.2mm PCBs in the running?
I'm very fond of them prototyping different things before even posting the IC, there's too much "brrrr here's a render gimme $600" on GH these days.
This is so true. Agree 100%

Cool looking board. PCB-mount is very interesting!

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« Reply #40 on: Tue, 22 September 2020, 10:32:00 »
Yes

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 22 September 2020, 11:49:36 »
Super excited for this!

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 25 September 2020, 14:11:23 »
Interesting. Plateless gasket is cool

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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 25 September 2020, 16:01:03 »
Really digging the pastel colors. Interested  :thumb:

Offline wencan008

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 25 September 2020, 17:21:11 »
Liking the plateless and loving the green. Hoping this all goes well!

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 25 September 2020, 17:42:06 »
I don't konw squat about squat, but seeing the mention of STM had me remembering reading from a discord channel:

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there appears to be a global shortage of 48-pin variants of STM32F072
Both QFN and QFP

Don't know if that would be an issue here. Just throwing it out.  Board looks quite nice.  Those low contrast renders are kinda weird though.

Offline kbye

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 25 September 2020, 17:52:03 »
I don't konw squat about squat, but seeing the mention of STM had me remembering reading from a discord channel:

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there appears to be a global shortage of 48-pin variants of STM32F072
Both QFN and QFP

Don't know if that would be an issue here. Just throwing it out.  Board looks quite nice.  Those low contrast renders are kinda weird though.

Yes, I became aware of the STM32 situation when I tried to order new protos last week. They are still available but at inflated prices due to the shortage. I bit the bullet for testing purposes but I'll be watching the supply over the next couple months and if it doesn't improve I may switch back to the trusty atmega.

Sorry you didn't like the renders. Although it was low contrast on purpose to give a pastel look, I'm still learning! Feedback appreciated.
« Last Edit: Fri, 25 September 2020, 23:21:23 by kbye »

Offline zedbraxmen

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 25 September 2020, 20:28:47 »
The price point / est. is right on target, also bonus points for HHKB top!
Will definitely keep an eye on this. Loving the blue, hopefully the blue pastel can be achieved. Looking fwd to other colour(s) protos.
« Last Edit: Fri, 25 September 2020, 20:36:11 by zedbraxmen »

Offline zedbraxmen

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 25 September 2020, 20:38:51 »
Very interesting, plateless is the move, will be keeping an eye on this & IC form filled out!

I'm genuinely curious to know what is the advantage of going plateless.

Offline beigeandbrown

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Re: [IC] Nue | 60% PCB Gasket Mount
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 25 September 2020, 22:44:09 »
Very interesting, plateless is the move, will be keeping an eye on this & IC form filled out!

I'm genuinely curious to know what is the advantage of going plateless.
Like most things, It is all preference. The difference from plateless opposed to plate is there will be a lot more flex when typing. This will provide a softer/bouncier typing experience, especially when combined with gasket mounting.