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[IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 21:53:04 »


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Arch Linux: A minimal Linux Distribution with a focus on Modernity, Simplicity, Versatility, User Centrality, and Pragmatism

Hey Geekhack! My name's Ram and I'm here to show my first ever keyset, GMK Arch, it's a keycap set inspired by the 5 principles of
Arch Linux which were stated above. This is a Linux Distro I’m especially fond of, and use daily as my main. 3 of its 5 principles,
Modernity, Versatility, and Simplicity, have influenced this set. A portion of the proceeds will be donated to the Arch Linux Foundation.
(Percentage not final but most likely 10-15%)

# ls gmk-arch/colors

The modernity of the dark grey, simplicity of white, and versatility of deep navy help make this a visually pleasing set that’s
usable on almost anything and is easily legible in all lighting. The sparse use of teal helps this minimal set gain a pop of color,
making it a bit less boring while still not being in your face.


# ls gmk-arch/kits
│The Shell Kit is where it all starts, containing everything you need for the most common layouts along with               
│alternatives if you want a mod pipe or no accent keys.                                                                                                 
├── Shell                                                                                                                                 

│The TTY Kit is for those minimalists who prefer a uniform design, and allows you to use a full black                         
│and teal set, including an extra tab key so you can cover two boards of course.                                                       
│                                                                                                                                                                                     
 ├── TTY                                                                                                                                 

│The Powerline Kit WIll cover any spacebar needs you might have.                                                                             
│                                                                                                                                                                                     
 ├── Powerline                                                                                                                         

│Can't handle a terminal? No problem, just install the GUI and you're set with full icon mods!                                   
│For people like me who prefer just having icons over the busy look of text.                                                             
 ├── GUI                                                                                                                                 
 
│The true way to show everyone that you use Arch, the superior distro, with an Arch logo and an                               
│I use Arch BTW Key included for that finishing touch.                                                                                                 
│                                                                                                                                                                                     
 ├──AUR                                                                                                                                 



# ls gmkarch/deskmats
 ├── Deskfetch                                                                                                                         

 ├── Trimat                                                                                                                               

kits subject to refinement


# ls gmk-arch/renders

Loading...
├── Iron180 by Smith+Rune                                                                                                                             

More



 ├── Iron165 by Smith+Rune                                                                                                                               
                                             
 
├── Paragon75 by Artemis Design Studios                                                                                                 
                                             

├── Evolv by NathanAlphaMan                                                                                                                       

More


 ├── Zero-0 by SGhost                                                                                                                                         

More

 ├── SP-111 by BlindAssassin111                                                                                             

More

       
# ls gmk-arch/vendors
All vendors have now been locked in, with their sites listed below, kitting has been sent to gmk for quotes as well.
                                                                                                                                           
    ├── US: Mechs & Co.                   ├── CA: AshKeebs                  ├── SEA: ILUMKB
    ├── EU: mykeyboard.eu              ├── OCE: RiftKeys                   ├── CN: KBDFans
    ├── UK: protoTypist                     ├── KR: SwagKeys                                                   
       

# ls gmk-arch/Collaborations   
├── Cables:
  Bear Cables & Zeus Cables
├── Artisans:
  Metal: Asero Foundries
  Resin: ArtKey, Latrialum, Fraktal Kaps
├── Sleeves:
  MechFashion
├── Wristrests:
  TBD
More Collabs to Come!
# ls gmk-arch/Pricing       
TBA

# ls gmk-arch/To Do
Tweak Kitting
Get Quotes from GMK,
Announce Collaborations
Design things for collabs
Get more accurate/consistent renders

 # ls gmk-arch/readme.txt

Credits:
Color Scheme: Myself, with a Huge thanks to Nick's Clicks for the Refinement of it.
DeskFetch: Myself
Trimat: Adxlk
Novelties: RayHungHingDailo
Logo: RayHungHingDailo
Kit Renders:Myself with a huge thanks to SGhost
Keyboard Renders: Thanks to SGhost, Maker Jake, Bachoo, and Oggi for these great Renders.
Huge Thanks: Nick's Clicks, Koha, iinko, Shiba, Allie, Ray, and SGhost for being a
monumental part of keeping me motivated and helping the set improve.
General Thanks: Huge thanks to Nick's Clicks for all the help with the set and
especially the IC draft, this set would be no where near the same if it wasn't for you. Bunny for
helping me fix my lighting, Swishy, Lumi, Bachoo, Nathan, Guill3m, Halo, and Salt!(I definitely missed a
few people) You all played a huge part in making the set what it is now.

Add This to Your Signature to Help Support GMK Arch!

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[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110180.0][img width=320 height=120]https://i.imgur.com/kHAb7Jq.png[/img][/url]

Use of the Arch Logo and Name Approved by the Arch Trademark team
I Understand that This Set Does Look Like GMK Apollo, but I have recieved permission from
Octix to run this set.
Proof of This can be sent by request

Contact
/u/Plasmusang on Reddit
@kushpapi._._ on Instagram
Ramlord#2733 on Discord


Changelog   
As of 12/18/20
Added Color Codes To IC
Added F13 to Base
Vendors Announced
Moved extra B to the powerline kit.
Move 1.25u Tab down 1 row,
Swapped Simplified Arch with True Arch Logos
As of 12/23/20
A few of the first collaborations are Announced
2nd Deskmat Announced
« Last Edit: Tue, 12 January 2021, 12:51:51 by Ram »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 21:53:29 »
Reserved

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 21:53:59 »
Love it! I am willing to try arch btw
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 December 2020, 14:49:22 by Shiba1337 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 21:58:25 »
 :thumb: You get 2 thumbs up! GLWIC :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 21:59:08 »
Oooffff looks nice!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:00:11 »
btw i use arch, nice set
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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:00:39 »
damnnn that's nice!

i use arch btw
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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:04:02 »
This is really good. High fives for the Huge base kit.
« Last Edit: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:09:40 by HappyB0T »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:04:37 »
goshdarn, that base (shell) kitting is bae. I use arch btw


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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:07:35 »
I love how all four of the renders show the colors differently

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:12:52 »
great boi

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:13:30 »
I love how all four of the renders show the colors differently
It's mainly because I commissioned 4 different people, but I totally understand that.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:14:27 »
This is really good. High fives for the Huge base kit.

goshdarn, that base (shell) kitting is bae. I use arch btw

Thanks!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:14:44 »
Thick milk

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:14:58 »
I feel like text mods would be more fitting for an Arch based/inspired set

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:19:04 »
do you have color codes? with the render thing i think it'd be easier to visualize what we're looking at
( also makes it so if renders aren't accurate it's gucci we know what we're getting )

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« Reply #16 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:19:42 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:20:37 »
do you have color codes? with the render thing i think it'd be easier to visualize what we're looking at
( also makes it so if renders aren't accurate it's gucci we know what we're getting )
I was going to put them into the IC, but didn't want clones to be made, if you personally think that doesn't matter I have codes I can add in.

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« Reply #18 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:22:53 »
that's a slapper

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:27:00 »
you guys use windows? you peasants. I use arch linux btw.

linux users just like vegans man, always gotta tell everyone when nobody asked  :))
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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:27:44 »
Any void linux edition avail?
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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:28:22 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:30:27 »
Any void linux edition avail?
smh my head Arch is the only distro

Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:30:49 »
I'm so happy this is coming out! So proud of you.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:31:25 »
So happy to finally see this up on GH! Excellent job and best of luck with IC and GB  :thumb:

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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:31:35 »
do you have color codes? with the render thing i think it'd be easier to visualize what we're looking at
( also makes it so if renders aren't accurate it's gucci we know what we're getting )
I was going to put them into the IC, but didn't want clones to be made, if you personally think that doesn't matter I have codes I can add in.
i mean there's no real downside, if your colors specifically are known that means people will know they're the colors you're using, and personally i find i can make a more informed buying decision with pantones or rals avail

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:31:48 »
Any void linux edition avail?
smh my head Arch is the only distro
Wait its all arch? Never has been.
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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:37:10 »
do you have color codes? with the render thing i think it'd be easier to visualize what we're looking at
( also makes it so if renders aren't accurate it's gucci we know what we're getting )
I was going to put them into the IC, but didn't want clones to be made, if you personally think that doesn't matter I have codes I can add in.
i mean there's no real downside, if your colors specifically are known that means people will know they're the colors you're using, and personally i find i can make a more informed buying decision with pantones or rals avail
True, I'll add it in

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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:42:57 »
I'm in

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:45:35 »
such a clean look :cool: any chance for f13 in the base kit?

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:47:13 »
Good luck! I switched between Arch and Ubuntu a lot when I was in my "**** Windows" phase.

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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:48:51 »
Good luck! I switched between Arch and Ubuntu a lot when I was in my "**** Windows" phase.

Forever on my "**** Windows" phase. MacOS is more palpable but still not as good as Arch/Ubuntu.

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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:53:59 »
such a clean look :cool: any chance for f13 in the base kit?
Will definitely consider adding it

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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 22:56:03 »
Happy to see this on IC!

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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 23:09:09 »
RIP CentOS.
Long live GMK Arch

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« Reply #35 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 23:13:20 »
RIP CentOS.
Long live GMK Arch
Stream can't keep up to the glory of GMK Arch

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 23:27:30 »
So happy to finally see this up on GH! Excellent job and best of luck with IC and GB  :thumb:
Thanks Man!

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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 23:36:16 »
very nice set. I'm in

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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 23:39:02 »
Honestly phenomenal. I'd suggest not changing that base kit for anyone, as it includes keycaps I've missed from older GMK sets.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 23:41:20 »
RIP CentOS.
Long live GMK Arch
Wait CentOS is gone? Such good memories.
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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #40 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 23:42:24 »
Count me in. Very nice.

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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 23:45:07 »
Hello, do you want to collab on the second deskmat?

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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 23:46:41 »
huge fan of the kitting, great coverage, even better for the community

hope this gets to GB

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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 13 December 2020, 23:55:40 »
Hello, do you want to collab on the second deskmat?
Hey yeah sure I'd be down, dm me on my discord if it's possible.

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« Reply #44 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 00:22:03 »
GMK install gentoo

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« Reply #45 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 00:33:55 »
GMK install gentoo
must compile keycaps from source

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« Reply #46 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 00:37:33 »
reminds me of Dracula and this will likely run before Dracula finishes color matching. im in



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« Reply #47 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 00:45:31 »
Looks handsome! I’m a bit unsure about it, I feel like I should be more excited by the colours but the renders leave me a little underwhelmed

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 00:56:12 »
I would like to see an F13 in base. Otherwise, I like it.

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« Reply #49 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 01:17:14 »
hyped for this!

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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 01:39:25 »
I would like to see an F13 in base. Otherwise, I like it.
Will be added in, and for anyone else reading just to make sure I'm not overloaded I'll make changes every few days so I can do a few all at once

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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 02:14:08 »
I'm in for the set AND all the goodies.

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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 02:18:01 »
Where is the Arch blue?

Arch set without that iconic blue logo anywhere? :(

The 'A' logo doesn't look much like the Arch "A"

Love the idea of -SYU, will be chronically annoyed that it's not "-Syu"

Love the Pacman key.

Overall I like the colors but imo it definitely needs the Arch blue *somewhere* as an accent.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 02:29:49 »
Where is the Arch blue?

Arch set without that iconic blue logo anywhere? :(

The 'A' logo doesn't look much like the Arch "A"

Love the idea of -SYU, will be chronically annoyed that it's not "-Syu"

Love the Pacman key.

Overall I like the colors but imo it definitely needs the Arch blue *somewhere* as an accent.

Hey, so I personally thought it would be nicer to mute the blue a bit into a teal so it would fit with the minimalism more, and the same reasoning goes for the simplified Arch Logo. You don't know how mad I am at myself for not noticing what was wrong on Syu and that will be changed for the final product. Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 02:53:01 »
Is this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy
an issue at all?

Edit: I'm actually asking btw.
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 December 2020, 02:54:42 by Jaxxstatic »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 02:53:43 »
Am I even allowed to use this, even though I use arch for noobs manjaro?

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« Reply #56 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 03:09:10 »
Is this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy
an issue at all?

Edit: I'm actually asking btw.
Hey like I said in the post, I have explicit permission from the trademark team to run the set so all is good on that end

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« Reply #57 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 03:10:00 »
Am I even allowed to use this, even though I use arch for noobs manjaro?
I'll make an exception for the shell kit, the rest you need to use vanilla arch for smh

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« Reply #58 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 03:15:33 »
Insane set count me in!

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« Reply #59 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 03:23:55 »
Well, I’m in. I don’t use Linux anymore, and I have zero attachment to the theme, but the colors are great, the deskmat is nice, and the novelties look good even without context.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 03:53:31 »
now that's one hell of a set, nicely done, can't wait for the GB!
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Offline SirKhamenman

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 04:36:21 »
Like the colorset. Surely interested with this set.

Offline VXQN

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 05:14:53 »
Not sure about the SYU/YAY/SUDO novelties as they look a little out of place, but I love the colours/general vibe of this set. Am I allowed to use it if I use Manjaro, though?

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 05:33:46 »
I feel like text mods would be more fitting for an Arch based/inspired set

Same, I feel like this would look 110% better with just text mods and maybe a separate icon mod kit.

Offline konstantin

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 06:06:48 »
The following keys can be removed from the kits since they either serve no practical purpose or are not commonly used. Sorted top to bottom from “totally useless” to “somewhat useful but may not be worth including”.
  • 1.75c keys in spacebars — not used outside of a small number of 40s boards (which this set doesn't support);
  • second 1c and second 1.25c in spacebars — not used outside of a small number of ortho boards (which this set doesn't support);
  • second R4 1u Alt in base and GUI — only useful if there are 1.5u Super keys;
  • R1 1u Backspace in base — not commonly used;
  • R4 1u 00 — only useful for standalone numpads;
  • R4 2u Shift — popular in East Asia for GK64 and similar 60% layouts w/ arrows, but not commonly used elsewhere.
In place of these, keys to consider adding are F13 to base (as previously mentioned in the thread) and 2× 1.5u Super to base and GUI (in which case you would keep the second 1u Alt keys).


I feel like text mods would be more fitting for an Arch based/inspired set

Same, I feel like this would look 110% better with just text mods and maybe a separate icon mod kit.

I'm inclined to say that text mods would be a good idea. It would probably give the set a bit more character and tie in a bit better with the theme. On the other hand, I think that keeping the current look and adding the GUI kit mods on top is also a nice prospect.

Edit: correction
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 December 2020, 06:22:26 by konstantin »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 07:08:15 »
For the novelties I liked the first Arch logo better in your prelim IC thread. The one with the lines going through it so it looked like ASCII art.

The new logo looks too much like something from iOS
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 December 2020, 07:28:31 by directheatedtriode »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 08:40:40 »
Any chance for a 1.5 diamond in the GUI set? For Tsangan/HHKB

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 08:55:37 »
absolutely missed the opportunity to make a BlackArch mod kit to introduce a mixed colorway... ;)

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 09:11:01 »
no "btw" novelty? disappointed.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #69 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 09:42:20 »
no "btw" novelty? disappointed.
Look at the aur kit, there's one there haha

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:25:14 »
This one looks great!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:26:49 »
Look at the aur kit, there's one there haha
Ahhh dumb me was looking for a 1U key!
Nice! I like the colors for sure.

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« Reply #72 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:33:45 »
Hey, so I personally thought it would be nicer to mute the blue a bit into a teal so it would fit with the minimalism more, and the same reasoning goes for the simplified Arch Logo. You don't know how mad I am at myself for not noticing what was wrong on Syu and that will be changed for the final product. Thanks for the feedback!
Are there other sets that explicitly cop the name of a beloved property/theme and then go out of the way to change its logo and core colors?

Arch is only minimal if that's what the user wants, btw.

 I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:41:22 »
Super hyped for this set, it's right up my alley.



Offline Owl

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:46:17 »
Pretty nice looking. This script kiddie is interested. Could you perhaps coordinate with your future vendors to have an email sent to my entire family and friends letting them know that I bought this? I want them to ask me what "Arch" and "Linux" is. For personal reasons.

Also really like the deskmat!

Also in the spirit of open source, lets see those color codes.
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:48:32 by Owl »

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« Reply #75 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:54:58 »
Also in the spirit of open source, lets see those color codes.
Never thought abt it like that, I'll add it in once I'm back on my pc

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 11:01:47 »
Hey, so I personally thought it would be nicer to mute the blue a bit into a teal so it would fit with the minimalism more, and the same reasoning goes for the simplified Arch Logo. You don't know how mad I am at myself for not noticing what was wrong on Syu and that will be changed for the final product. Thanks for the feedback!
Are there other sets that explicitly cop the name of a beloved property/theme and then go out of the way to change its logo and core colors?

Arch is only minimal if that's what the user wants, btw.

 I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...
Agreed

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Offline Cujo26

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 11:02:22 »
Man this just makes me regret living in the arse end of Africa more and more - gmk sets never ship here D:
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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 11:04:58 »
Now I can tell AND show people I use Arch!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 11:08:03 »
super clean set

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 11:22:35 »
Man you made a killer looking IC, amazing presentation -- I'm super proud to see this come to full fruition since you initially first posted that concept render in the discord.

Offline KingOfMemes

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #81 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 11:36:17 »
RIP CentOS.
Long live GMK Arch
Wait CentOS is gone? Such good memories.
Redhat is dropping support in 2021 and focusing support on CentOS stream, which is a rolling release with scheduling between RHEL and fedora. The reason it's 'gone' is because anyone who was using CentOS was using it for hyper stability, even with super-legacy, and even deprecated packages. Rolling release, regardless of actual up/downstream scheduling, is very against that methodology.

Offline Dadrophenia

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #82 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 11:46:12 »
Even as a Debian user I feel I'd have to pick up this kit for the colors and Vim keys alone, this looks great!

Offline SirKhamenman

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #83 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 11:55:34 »
Can you add rendering how this set will look like on e-white keyboard? Like Iron165 or Vega? :) :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #84 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 12:34:50 »
Yes, really nice. Thank you for considering the addition of the GUI kit :thumb:

Offline eyeon

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #85 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 12:44:55 »
Why is there no 1.5U super key? even the GUI kit does not have the symbol in 1.5U.

Offline musdem

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« Reply #86 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 13:09:07 »
I didn't think anything would make me switch my daily from SA Oblivion but this might do it.

Offline directheatedtriode

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #87 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 14:34:58 »
Hey, so I personally thought it would be nicer to mute the blue a bit into a teal so it would fit with the minimalism more, and the same reasoning goes for the simplified Arch Logo. You don't know how mad I am at myself for not noticing what was wrong on Syu and that will be changed for the final product. Thanks for the feedback!
Are there other sets that explicitly cop the name of a beloved property/theme and then go out of the way to change its logo and core colors?

Arch is only minimal if that's what the user wants, btw.

 I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.

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« Reply #88 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 15:04:52 »
Damn this is nice. The mod legends remind me of Manjaro than the vanilla blue of Arch Linux. Either way, it looks great.

Offline Engedi_

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #89 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 15:32:54 »
I've been commenting about how the kits are sold, and I have a question.
I realize that not everyone wants a spacebar in contrasting color, but then others do. I'm one.
But I honestly don't want to spend $30 - $40 for a spacebar in a contrasting color since I'm only going to use one.
I've asked this question elsewhere and they commented that spacebars are expensive to make.
But my question is it really that much more expensive to include ONE more in the base set?
Or is this a tactic used by designers to make more profit?

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #90 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 15:35:40 »
I've been commenting about how the kits are sold, and I have a question.
I realize that not everyone wants a spacebar in contrasting color, but then others do. I'm one.
But I honestly don't want to spend $30 - $40 for a spacebar in a contrasting color since I'm only going to use one.
I've asked this question elsewhere and they commented that spacebars are expensive to make.
But my question is it really that much more expensive to include ONE more in the base set?
Or is this a tactic used by designers to make more profit?
I don't know yet as I haven't recieved quotes from gmk yet, so I can answer that then, but the thing is that the spacebar can add cost that will make people who don't want it shy away due to not being able to afford it,

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« Reply #91 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 15:38:05 »
yes, please and thank you. numpab, annnnnnddd extra b in base?? I might not see this till 2022 but i'll take it

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« Reply #92 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 15:45:01 »
yes, please and thank you. numpab, annnnnnddd extra b in base?? I might not see this till 2022 but i'll take it
trust, it'll be here much much sooner ;)

Offline konstantin

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #93 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 15:52:43 »
I've been commenting about how the kits are sold, and I have a question.
I realize that not everyone wants a spacebar in contrasting color, but then others do. I'm one.
But I honestly don't want to spend $30 - $40 for a spacebar in a contrasting color since I'm only going to use one.
I've asked this question elsewhere and they commented that spacebars are expensive to make.
But my question is it really that much more expensive to include ONE more in the base set?
Or is this a tactic used by designers to make more profit?

There is a good reason why GMK kits are usually structured the way they are, and it has to do with satisfying the needs of the majority of users, while avoiding things that would drive cost up for that majority. This necessarily implies that some compromises need to be made; and I'm sorry to say, but accent-colored spacebars usually fall on the short end of that compromise since, usually, there isn't enough demand for them to justify their inclusion in a base kit.

To answer your question, yes, the price of a single extra spacebar in the base kit can make a difference when it comes to pricing and sales.

Offline Engedi_

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« Reply #94 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 16:16:36 »
This is the clearest answer I've heard. Thanks for helping me understand. :)

Offline underling

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #95 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 18:00:19 »
Quote
I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 December 2020, 18:04:12 by underling »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #96 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 18:53:00 »
Quote
I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #97 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 19:55:28 »
Quote
I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

While I am not a long term Arch user, or linux user for that matter, I think it's a little silly for the Arch people to be so riled up about this. Not too long ago, GMK Gruvbox debuted and the designer used the exact colors that the IDE theme uses. And a lot of people thought it didn't really look that great, or at least didn't have the Gruvbox "feel" to it. Myself included since I use Gruvbox a lot. I suspect the same exact thing would have happened if you had tried to match the Arch palette perfectly and, like you said, would have probably ended up looking like a bunch of other sets instead of your own.

And while my opinion may not weigh as much as someone who's been checking their emails on Arch for 80 years, I really appreciate the extra mile that you went to make this an Arch set, that clearly looks like an Arch set, while also taking it upon yourself to diversify it enough to make it a polished and memorable addition to the GMK family. Anyone could have just copy and pasted HEX codes and made an exact copy of the logo to make it look like the IP. But it takes a lot of effort and decisions to build upon the idea while also not straying too far from it.

Anyway I think it's great and, at the end of the day, you are trying to sell something. So listening to the intended audience IS a good idea. But you should also hear that, in a forum filled with low effort IC's that are copy pastas of hex codes from anime, this stands out as a far more robust and developed idea than most and I appreciate it for that.

Offline directheatedtriode

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 21:15:41 »
Quote
I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

No one really cares about a name that much if a set looks good. Look at all the threads that are doing themed sets but might be infringing on the original IP, the threads have loads of suggestions for alternative names and novelties to try and skirt the IP issue while still creating an interesting set.

Offline directheatedtriode

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #99 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 21:18:57 »
Quote
I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

Being too close to Umbra with that sort of aquamarine blue makes sense. I don't see why you couldn't just replace all the R1/R4 Arch logos with the official logos keeping the option 1 and option 2 kitting the same, where would be the price increase in doing that?

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« Reply #100 on: Mon, 14 December 2020, 23:08:33 »
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I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

Being too close to Umbra with that sort of aquamarine blue makes sense. I don't see why you couldn't just replace all the R1/R4 Arch logos with the official logos keeping the option 1 and option 2 kitting the same, where would be the price increase in doing that?
My mistake, I mean I had both, if people end up wanting the normal arch logos over the simplified ones I will replace them as a whole.

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« Reply #101 on: Tue, 15 December 2020, 15:22:30 »
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I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

Being too close to Umbra with that sort of aquamarine blue makes sense. I don't see why you couldn't just replace all the R1/R4 Arch logos with the official logos keeping the option 1 and option 2 kitting the same, where would be the price increase in doing that?
My mistake, I mean I had both, if people end up wanting the normal arch logos over the simplified ones I will replace them as a whole.

Got it, I see what you mean. Having both logos would definitely be way over kill. I think another reason you should use the official logo is you're in the uncommon circumstance where the people that are responsible for the original IP have given you the go ahead, so many sets have to try and work around this by creating an "inspired by" set. Also the deskpad uses the real logo.

Just saw your comment on one of the proxies saying it's going to be an expensive kit. The base could be cheaper if numpad and ISO were removed and made into their own kit like is pretty common to do. Especially since there are 2 different ISO enters in the base that will drive the price up a decent amount.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #102 on: Tue, 15 December 2020, 15:53:51 »
Man you made a killer looking IC, amazing presentation -- I'm super proud to see this come to full fruition since you initially first posted that concept render in the discord.
Thanks! Though it wouldn't be the same without your killer renders!

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« Reply #103 on: Tue, 15 December 2020, 15:55:08 »
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I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

Being too close to Umbra with that sort of aquamarine blue makes sense. I don't see why you couldn't just replace all the R1/R4 Arch logos with the official logos keeping the option 1 and option 2 kitting the same, where would be the price increase in doing that?
My mistake, I mean I had both, if people end up wanting the normal arch logos over the simplified ones I will replace them as a whole.

Got it, I see what you mean. Having both logos would definitely be way over kill. I think another reason you should use the official logo is you're in the uncommon circumstance where the people that are responsible for the original IP have given you the go ahead, so many sets have to try and work around this by creating an "inspired by" set. Also the deskpad uses the real logo.

Just saw your comment on one of the proxies saying it's going to be an expensive kit. The base could be cheaper if numpad and ISO were removed and made into their own kit like is pretty common to do. Especially since there are 2 different ISO enters in the base that will drive the price up a decent amount.
Yeah, once I have quotes from GMK kitting adjustment is the first thing I'll do. For now though I don't have too much of a reference/estimate.

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« Reply #104 on: Tue, 15 December 2020, 17:12:05 »
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I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

Being too close to Umbra with that sort of aquamarine blue makes sense. I don't see why you couldn't just replace all the R1/R4 Arch logos with the official logos keeping the option 1 and option 2 kitting the same, where would be the price increase in doing that?
My mistake, I mean I had both, if people end up wanting the normal arch logos over the simplified ones I will replace them as a whole.

Got it, I see what you mean. Having both logos would definitely be way over kill. I think another reason you should use the official logo is you're in the uncommon circumstance where the people that are responsible for the original IP have given you the go ahead, so many sets have to try and work around this by creating an "inspired by" set. Also the deskpad uses the real logo.

Just saw your comment on one of the proxies saying it's going to be an expensive kit. The base could be cheaper if numpad and ISO were removed and made into their own kit like is pretty common to do. Especially since there are 2 different ISO enters in the base that will drive the price up a decent amount.
That base kit will cost around 135usd/euros in general. The majority of current sets also go with the big base kit. I have no problem with the current base kit. Remove numpad will only reduce the cost around 10usd/euros based on gmk pricing, remove ISO wont do much either but will lose a lot more interest for people who use ISO (European buyers). If runner are to remove some keys to keep the cost down, remove R1 end and R1 Pgdn and those accent arrows and all Numpad together but the ISO has to be in base kit. Just look at GMK ThinkCaps or GMK Norse, they go with a TKL base and received positive feedbacks about the kitting. The removed keys from base may go to another kits or become a separated kit of its own.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #105 on: Tue, 15 December 2020, 18:01:16 »
That base kit will cost around 135usd/euros in general. The majority of current sets also go with the big base kit. I have no problem with the current base kit. Remove numpad will only reduce the cost around 10usd/euros based on gmk pricing, remove ISO wont do much either but will lose a lot more interest for people who use ISO (European buyers). If runner are to remove some keys to keep the cost down, remove R1 end and R1 Pgdn and those accent arrows and all Numpad together but the ISO has to be in base kit. Just look at GMK ThinkCaps or GMK Norse, they go with a TKL base and received positive feedbacks about the kitting. The removed keys from base may go to another kits or become a separated kit of its own.

I wouldn't exactly consider ThinkCaps to be a shining beacon of how to Kit GMK though. I had to pass on it because it was just too much to get what I wanted out of it.
Anywho, splitting numpad out of a $130 kit is a good way to turn it into a $150 kit for those that actually want the numpad.
Not saying that's a bad thing, TKL's are certainly popular.
But removing a key here or a key there really won't do much to help the overall cost of the base kit. However, adding a key or two will marginally increase the cost but definitely up your numbers. One good example is including minibars and second B in base for Alice users. That way they're not forced to buy a $50"degenerates" kit for like 3 keys.
What doesn't work so well with GMK is separating out the 40's keys (minivan, ortho, etc) into lots of little kits. Having a comprehensive 40's kit might be expensive but it usually works out pretty well.

I think the kitting looks pretty great as it is. Big base kit is best base kit. I would like to see some love for minivan 1.75u backspace and row 3 1.5u enter though.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #106 on: Tue, 15 December 2020, 22:18:17 »
bump

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #107 on: Tue, 15 December 2020, 23:02:20 »
I saw this happen in the Keycap Designer Discord! Congrats -- super nice looking set. And love the attention to detail in the whole IC post.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #108 on: Tue, 15 December 2020, 23:08:26 »
I saw this happen in the Keycap Designer Discord! Congrats -- super nice looking set. And love the attention to detail in the whole IC post.
Thanks! Excited to see the other sets that are coming out of KCD

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #109 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 00:25:07 »
Really enjoying the set. Reminds me of the "Arc Dark" theme with teal instead of blue more then Arch though.

Maybe a rename to include teal as in "GMK Arch Teal" or going with Arc.

Either way I'm in.

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« Reply #110 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 00:41:42 »
That base kit will cost around 135usd/euros in general. The majority of current sets also go with the big base kit. I have no problem with the current base kit. Remove numpad will only reduce the cost around 10usd/euros based on gmk pricing, remove ISO wont do much either but will lose a lot more interest for people who use ISO (European buyers). If runner are to remove some keys to keep the cost down, remove R1 end and R1 Pgdn and those accent arrows and all Numpad together but the ISO has to be in base kit. Just look at GMK ThinkCaps or GMK Norse, they go with a TKL base and received positive feedbacks about the kitting. The removed keys from base may go to another kits or become a separated kit of its own.

I wouldn't exactly consider ThinkCaps to be a shining beacon of how to Kit GMK though. I had to pass on it because it was just too much to get what I wanted out of it.
Anywho, splitting numpad out of a $130 kit is a good way to turn it into a $150 kit for those that actually want the numpad.
Not saying that's a bad thing, TKL's are certainly popular.
But removing a key here or a key there really won't do much to help the overall cost of the base kit. However, adding a key or two will marginally increase the cost but definitely up your numbers. One good example is including minibars and second B in base for Alice users. That way they're not forced to buy a $50"degenerates" kit for like 3 keys.
What doesn't work so well with GMK is separating out the 40's keys (minivan, ortho, etc) into lots of little kits. Having a comprehensive 40's kit might be expensive but it usually works out pretty well.

I think the kitting looks pretty great as it is. Big base kit is best base kit. I would like to see some love for minivan 1.75u backspace and row 3 1.5u enter though.
Well I have nothing against the current base kit, it's just a suggestion about which key is more vital to keep in the base. I actually prefer big base kit than some of the new terrible kittings.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 09:57:20 »
This or the GMK Stealth... Ughhhhh why y'all do this.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #112 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 12:36:16 »
This or the GMK Stealth... Ughhhhh why y'all do this.

Pourquoi pas les deux? ;) Stealth is running now, and this won't be running for a little while, so there should be time to get both!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #113 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 13:07:41 »
please include a render of the TTY kit on a board so we can see what that looks like!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #114 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 14:05:50 »
please include a render of the TTY kit on a board so we can see what that looks like!
If you hit more on the iron180 renders the 2nd one is with the TTY and GUI kit!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #115 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 14:32:53 »
please include a render of the TTY kit on a board so we can see what that looks like!
If you hit more on the iron180 renders the 2nd one is with the TTY and GUI kit!

That's a great render but I wouldn't say that it really highlights the TTY and GUI kits very well because of the shaded lighting. Something like your other renders would really help with seeing what this is supposed to look like.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #116 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 14:53:19 »
please include a render of the TTY kit on a board so we can see what that looks like!
If you hit more on the iron180 renders the 2nd one is with the TTY and GUI kit!

That's a great render but I wouldn't say that it really highlights the TTY and GUI kits very well because of the shaded lighting. Something like your other renders would really help with seeing what this is supposed to look like.
Thats true, I'll probably hagve to ocmission another render for that which I don't currently have the cash for, worst case is the scene render is the only tty render until the GB which would have a tty board render.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #117 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 18:09:18 »
who is riftkeys?
« Last Edit: Wed, 16 December 2020, 18:48:01 by Cujo96 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #118 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 18:59:56 »
who is riftkeys?
A friend of mine who is a vendor for OCE, and also the OCE proxy for ashkeebs and mechs and co,

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« Reply #119 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 19:03:45 »
Nice

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #120 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 22:31:46 »
Will this set be difficult to install?  Or should I wait for GMK Ubuntu instead?

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #121 on: Wed, 16 December 2020, 22:43:18 »
Will this set be difficult to install?  Or should I wait for GMK Ubuntu instead?
Will be much harder to install, but I recommend giving it a shot ;)

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #122 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 00:28:08 »
Will this set be difficult to install?  Or should I wait for GMK Ubuntu instead?

I have waited for that as well

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #123 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 12:04:53 »
Bumped :)

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I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

Being too close to Umbra with that sort of aquamarine blue makes sense. I don't see why you couldn't just replace all the R1/R4 Arch logos with the official logos keeping the option 1 and option 2 kitting the same, where would be the price increase in doing that?
My mistake, I mean I had both, if people end up wanting the normal arch logos over the simplified ones I will replace them as a whole.

Got it, I see what you mean. Having both logos would definitely be way over kill. I think another reason you should use the official logo is you're in the uncommon circumstance where the people that are responsible for the original IP have given you the go ahead, so many sets have to try and work around this by creating an "inspired by" set. Also the deskpad uses the real logo.

Just saw your comment on one of the proxies saying it's going to be an expensive kit. The base could be cheaper if numpad and ISO were removed and made into their own kit like is pretty common to do. Especially since there are 2 different ISO enters in the base that will drive the price up a decent amount.

Quote
I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

Being too close to Umbra with that sort of aquamarine blue makes sense. I don't see why you couldn't just replace all the R1/R4 Arch logos with the official logos keeping the option 1 and option 2 kitting the same, where would be the price increase in doing that?
My mistake, I mean I had both, if people end up wanting the normal arch logos over the simplified ones I will replace them as a whole.

Got it, I see what you mean. Having both logos would definitely be way over kill. I think another reason you should use the official logo is you're in the uncommon circumstance where the people that are responsible for the original IP have given you the go ahead, so many sets have to try and work around this by creating an "inspired by" set. Also the deskpad uses the real logo.

Just saw your comment on one of the proxies saying it's going to be an expensive kit. The base could be cheaper if numpad and ISO were removed and made into their own kit like is pretty common to do. Especially since there are 2 different ISO enters in the base that will drive the price up a decent amount.


Swapped out the simplified logo for the true one, though based on what I'm seeing teh cuts in the logo won't show in the final caps,

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #125 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 15:08:32 »
Very elegant.
Good decision with making Shell and TTY kit to work together for 2 keyboards.

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« Reply #126 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 16:00:05 »


Quote
I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

Being too close to Umbra with that sort of aquamarine blue makes sense. I don't see why you couldn't just replace all the R1/R4 Arch logos with the official logos keeping the option 1 and option 2 kitting the same, where would be the price increase in doing that?
My mistake, I mean I had both, if people end up wanting the normal arch logos over the simplified ones I will replace them as a whole.

Got it, I see what you mean. Having both logos would definitely be way over kill. I think another reason you should use the official logo is you're in the uncommon circumstance where the people that are responsible for the original IP have given you the go ahead, so many sets have to try and work around this by creating an "inspired by" set. Also the deskpad uses the real logo.

Just saw your comment on one of the proxies saying it's going to be an expensive kit. The base could be cheaper if numpad and ISO were removed and made into their own kit like is pretty common to do. Especially since there are 2 different ISO enters in the base that will drive the price up a decent amount.

Quote
I guess it's your set and you have permission but it sucks this with become "the" arch kit and have the wrong logo and colors.

That's not to say the colors aren't great, I like them but it doesn't make sense to call it arch while changing both the logo and the base color.

It would be like all the eva01 stuff softening the green or something...

There is no reason this has to become "the" Arch Linux kit, anyone could redo it in the future to be more true to the overall Arch theme as long as permission was granted from the people overseeing Arch.

The more I consider this with the colors and off novelties the more I'm leaning towards skipping it.
Sure, someone else *could* come along and do it 'right' but I anticipate their IC thread will be overrun with people talking about how confusing it is there is another "arch" kit and "you should use a different name" and so on...Maybe even GMK going, hey we already have this very different product line. Pick another name.(?)

If this is the first kit that comes out bearing the name, it likely will be "the" kit because anyone who wants to come do something that really is Arch-like would be fighting the existing idioms.

I do understand what you're saying though.

At first this didn't bother me much, but as a 10+ years arch user the more I think about it the less I like it. Taken in a vacuum the colors are great. The arch'iness is there in the quirky keys (-Syu) - great! VIM KEYS - I LOVE! <3

But I don't think it's right to use the Arch name and then make your own logo and color scheme. IMHO that's wrong and will set a precedence while simultaneously being inauthentic. Anyways, not my thread. I don't own arch either... but i will be hard-pass on it now.

arch logos: https://www.archlinux.org/art/

ok, i will bow (disappointedly) out of this thread now.

I fully understand what you mean and won't try to change your opinion, but I will explain my pov for a few things,  when I contacted one of the vendors I was going with, they made it obvious that this would be an expensive set as is, and I had to remove some icons(there were going to be true arch logos in the gui kit for super) so since I had a logo with the simplified style I had decided to stick with that novelty since it was already there and I didn't think people would care that much, obviously I was wrong. Especially since your a long time Arch user your feedback means more than most other since technically you're what the set should be appealing to. I will try to find a way to fit those back in once the quotes come back and I know if it will work or not, and I'll see what I can do about making it right and getting this set closer to what it was meant to be, because originally I really wanted to stick to the true arch colors but both personal preference and the fact that anything with those colors always resemble Umbra or another set to the point that I can't run it at all, so my hope was that I could get close and use the novs and mat as a way of maintaining the theme. So I hope you understand, and even if you don't your opinion is still valid and I'm going to use it for guidance from now till gb(if that happens) and for future sets.

Thanks,

Ram

Being too close to Umbra with that sort of aquamarine blue makes sense. I don't see why you couldn't just replace all the R1/R4 Arch logos with the official logos keeping the option 1 and option 2 kitting the same, where would be the price increase in doing that?
My mistake, I mean I had both, if people end up wanting the normal arch logos over the simplified ones I will replace them as a whole.

Got it, I see what you mean. Having both logos would definitely be way over kill. I think another reason you should use the official logo is you're in the uncommon circumstance where the people that are responsible for the original IP have given you the go ahead, so many sets have to try and work around this by creating an "inspired by" set. Also the deskpad uses the real logo.

Just saw your comment on one of the proxies saying it's going to be an expensive kit. The base could be cheaper if numpad and ISO were removed and made into their own kit like is pretty common to do. Especially since there are 2 different ISO enters in the base that will drive the price up a decent amount.


Swapped out the simplified logo for the true one, though based on what I'm seeing teh cuts in the logo won't show in the final caps,

Looking good fam, will be keeping my eyes out for this one, hoping the base isn't too expensive.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #127 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 17:21:39 »
Guys, can we stop making kilometer-long chain quotes? ;D You're making them almost as long as the Arch installation process.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #128 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 17:55:36 »
Guys, can we stop making kilometer-long chain quotes? ;D You're making them almost as long as the Arch installation process.
Gotta stay true to the theme

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #129 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 17:57:18 »
Would it be possible to move the vim arrows to another kit? Or make them their own kit? I want those but I don't really care about the icon buttons.

Offline Ram

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #130 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 18:31:10 »
Would it be possible to move the vim arrows to another kit? Or make them their own kit? I want those but I don't really care about the icon buttons.
someone else asked for it so it's definitely a consideration, just where it would fit best is the question, since I don't want to make the base kit too large.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #131 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 18:48:15 »
Wow, really happy to see how this set developed!!!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #132 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 19:03:30 »
Wow, really happy to see how this set developed!!!
Thanks! Excited to see how the KAM 80s gb goes

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #133 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 19:30:31 »
Really enjoying the set. Reminds me of the "Arc Dark" theme with teal instead of blue more then Arch though.

Maybe a rename to include teal as in "GMK Arch Teal" or going with Arc.

Either way I'm in.
A bit too late for a full rename haha, though in retrospect would have been a better idea.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #134 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 22:31:02 »
Shouldn't F13 be mod colored?

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Vendors Announced!!!!
« Reply #135 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 22:40:02 »
Shouldn't F13 be mod colored?
yep will fix
also need to find a financially viable solution for tty spacebars

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #136 on: Fri, 18 December 2020, 13:03:37 »
bump for updatre

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #137 on: Fri, 18 December 2020, 13:35:42 »
bump for updatre
I don't think adding 40s keys to base kit is a good idea. People who use 40s keyboard need a lot more specific keys, hence it's better to put all the 40s keys to a separated kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #138 on: Fri, 18 December 2020, 13:41:51 »
bump for updatre
I don't think adding 40s keys to base kit is a good idea. People who use 40s keyboard need a lot more specific keys, hence it's better to put all the 40s keys to a separated kit.
That's definitely true, and I'll be 100% on that when I have quotes from GMK, because I'll have enough responses to gauge the demand for a 40s kit and pricing for the base, a LOT of people want nothing to change in the base kit bc of the 40s keys, and if the price for the base is decent, and demand for a dedicated 40s kit low, I'll keep it as is, if  the price is high and the demand is high, I'll make a dedicated kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #139 on: Fri, 18 December 2020, 14:11:45 »
bump for updatre
I don't think adding 40s keys to base kit is a good idea. People who use 40s keyboard need a lot more specific keys, hence it's better to put all the 40s keys to a separated kit.
That's definitely true, and I'll be 100% on that when I have quotes from GMK, because I'll have enough responses to gauge the demand for a 40s kit and pricing for the base, a LOT of people want nothing to change in the base kit bc of the 40s keys, and if the price for the base is decent, and demand for a dedicated 40s kit low, I'll keep it as is, if  the price is high and the demand is high, I'll make a dedicated kit.
At this point I think the base kit will be around 145 150 retail price, but you get everything so it's actually not bad. The colorway and the theme are just too good. I'm also an embedded developer so I need this.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #140 on: Fri, 18 December 2020, 22:30:13 »
bump for updatre
I don't think adding 40s keys to base kit is a good idea. People who use 40s keyboard need a lot more specific keys, hence it's better to put all the 40s keys to a separated kit.
That's definitely true, and I'll be 100% on that when I have quotes from GMK, because I'll have enough responses to gauge the demand for a 40s kit and pricing for the base, a LOT of people want nothing to change in the base kit bc of the 40s keys, and if the price for the base is decent, and demand for a dedicated 40s kit low, I'll keep it as is, if  the price is high and the demand is high, I'll make a dedicated kit.
At this point I think the base kit will be around 145 150 retail price, but you get everything so it's actually not bad. The colorway and the theme are just too good. I'm also an embedded developer so I need this.

Thats my quess as well, but always better to be certain before changing anything,

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #141 on: Sat, 19 December 2020, 09:11:56 »
Ram might have found a niche here...


GMK Gentoo
GMK Buntu (I would guess copyright infringement on this one would be hard to get around hence the name)
GMK MicrosoftEdgeIsTrash


Just saying. Gorgeous set.


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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #142 on: Sat, 19 December 2020, 12:45:15 »
Ram might have found a niche here...


GMK Gentoo
GMK Buntu (I would guess copyright infringement on this one would be hard to get around hence the name)
GMK MicrosoftEdgeIsTrash


Just saying. Gorgeous set.
Thanks haha, yeah this could very well become a set series with the many options, though your forgetting GMK Windows, where I use some obscure color chip that only I have access to.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #143 on: Sat, 19 December 2020, 14:26:54 »
Will give it a shot: NorDE please!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #144 on: Sat, 19 December 2020, 19:02:22 »
I say NorDe aswell! looks good!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #145 on: Sat, 19 December 2020, 23:11:07 »
I say NorDe aswell! looks good!

Will give it a shot: NorDE please!

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Demand for it is definitely there based on the IC form, like for everything else, I'll wait till I have quotes back so I can have both pricing info and a bit more IC form responses to have a more accurate number for people who want NorDEUK
« Last Edit: Sun, 20 December 2020, 14:55:05 by Ram »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #146 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 01:10:44 »
arch dolch so lit

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Major Updates(Vendors, Kitting, and Discord Server)
« Reply #148 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 01:42:39 »
This looks awesome! I'm in, if you offer ISO-DE keycaps as well.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #149 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 12:57:43 »
bump for update

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #150 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 14:04:33 »
Congrats, Ram!!! Proud of you :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #151 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 15:57:46 »
No Ubuntu hate. This is weird.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #152 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 17:01:44 »
I honestly don't like dark keysets but this set is awesome!
Especially the Deskfetch Mat, i need it!

(i use arch btw)

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #153 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 20:03:52 »
I love how all four of the renders show the colors differently

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #154 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 00:58:23 »
Nice set. I'm in, if you add NorDE kit

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #155 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 16:18:25 »
No Ubuntu hate. This is weird.
Arch users are superior. They don't piddle with things like concerning themelves with the shortcomings of lesser OS'

That's what Gentoo is for.

Oh yeah what's going on with 40's support? Have you considered making any changes?
« Last Edit: Thu, 24 December 2020, 16:51:02 by paperassgasket »

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #156 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 18:16:51 »
No Ubuntu hate. This is weird.
Arch users are superior. They don't piddle with things like concerning themelves with the shortcomings of lesser OS'

That's what Gentoo is for.

Oh yeah what's going on with 40's support? Have you considered making any changes?
Demand is showing so I'm considering a dedicated 40s kit, but for now I'm waiting on quotes before making any major decisions, tho physical 40s compat will be on the base kit, I just need to update it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch
« Reply #157 on: Fri, 25 December 2020, 01:29:28 »
The following keys can be removed from the kits since they either serve no practical purpose or are not commonly used. Sorted top to bottom from “totally useless” to “somewhat useful but may not be worth including”.
  • 1.75c keys in spacebars — not used outside of a small number of 40s boards (which this set doesn't support);
  • second 1c and second 1.25c in spacebars — not used outside of a small number of ortho boards (which this set doesn't support);
  • second R4 1u Alt in base and GUI — only useful if there are 1.5u Super keys;
  • R1 1u Backspace in base — not commonly used;
  • R4 1u 00 — only useful for standalone numpads;
  • R4 2u Shift — popular in East Asia for GK64 and similar 60% layouts w/ arrows, but not commonly used elsewhere.
In place of these, keys to consider adding are F13 to base (as previously mentioned in the thread) and 2× 1.5u Super to base and GUI (in which case you would keep the second 1u Alt keys).


I feel like text mods would be more fitting for an Arch based/inspired set

Same, I feel like this would look 110% better with just text mods and maybe a separate icon mod kit.

I'm inclined to say that text mods would be a good idea. It would probably give the set a bit more character and tie in a bit better with the theme. On the other hand, I think that keeping the current look and adding the GUI kit mods on top is also a nice prospect.

Edit: correction

Just realized I had missed this, thanks Konstantin! Definitely will be putting most of these changes in,

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« Reply #158 on: Fri, 25 December 2020, 02:26:37 »
Holy ****, the real logo is in?! <3

I am buying everything. Hell, whatever kits you make I'll buy two of each.


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« Reply #159 on: Fri, 25 December 2020, 15:41:53 »
Holy ****, the real logo is in?! <3

I am buying everything. Hell, whatever kits you make I'll buy two of each.
Dang haha, thanks

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« Reply #160 on: Mon, 28 December 2020, 13:54:04 »
small update, Samples are inbound from Mechfashion that should be here hopefully by Mid-Late Jan, the same may happen for our metal Artisans from Asero! Updates with photos of the samples will be posted then along with kitting updates assuming that quotes from GMK are back by then,

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« Reply #161 on: Fri, 01 January 2021, 03:42:52 »
very naice. much like. arch hype.

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« Reply #162 on: Fri, 01 January 2021, 04:46:40 »
I will buy this kit to fit on a keyboard of choice to use with my Ubuntu server, then some things will be complete.  Is there any possibility of adding UK ISO to a kit or maybe a NordeUK kit?
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« Reply #163 on: Fri, 01 January 2021, 04:55:09 »
I will buy this kit to fit on a keyboard of choice to use with my Ubuntu server, then some things will be complete.  Is there any possibility of adding UK ISO to a kit or maybe a NordeUK kit?

Hoping for a NorDE/UK Kit as well. These are very nice keycaps, but I will not buy it without a NorDE kit.

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« Reply #164 on: Fri, 01 January 2021, 06:07:12 »
Looks great! :D

Would it be possible to add a blank 1.25u in spacebar-profile for the common 6.25-split space (2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75) to the Powerline-kit?

EDIT: Found the missing B
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« Reply #165 on: Fri, 01 January 2021, 13:15:43 »
Looks great! :D

Would it be possible to add a blank 1.25u in spacebar-profile for the common 6.25-split space (2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75) to the Powerline-kit?

EDIT: Found the missing B
There actually used to be 2 1.25us in that kit, so adding one back can definitely be done.

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Hoping for a NorDE/UK Kit as well. These are very nice keycaps, but I will not buy it without a NorDE kit.
At this point I'm waiting on quotes before drafting a full nordeuk kit, but most likely it will happen based on the responses I saw

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« Reply #166 on: Fri, 01 January 2021, 21:35:19 »
I know there's a pretty long earlier thread on Arch's original icon and colors, but just wanted to double-check.  Is it a foregone conclusion that the original Arch blue won't be in the set, not even as part of an add-on kit?

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« Reply #167 on: Sat, 02 January 2021, 13:43:26 »
I know there's a pretty long earlier thread on Arch's original icon and colors, but just wanted to double-check.  Is it a foregone conclusion that the original Arch blue won't be in the set, not even as part of an add-on kit?
No, if you want to get as close to the arch blue in a set, you'd have to get GMK Umbra, because my set would too close to it if I used it.
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« Reply #168 on: Sun, 03 January 2021, 20:31:15 »
1This set is awesome! Can't wait to buy all the things!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #169 on: Tue, 05 January 2021, 06:13:59 »
I know there's a pretty long earlier thread on Arch's original icon and colors, but just wanted to double-check.  Is it a foregone conclusion that the original Arch blue won't be in the set, not even as part of an add-on kit?
No, if you want to get as close to the arch blue in a set, you'd have to get GMK Umbra, because my set would too close to it if I used it.

The reason this set uses a different color than the original Arch blue is because some other set previously used a similar colorscheme? This does not make much sense. This design is obviously not a copy of GMK Umbra, but instead inspired by something completely different; that something of course being Arch Linux, where there is an obvious choice for the colorscheme. Any Linux user knows, at least roughly, what "Arch blue" looks like.

I do not understand why, in this hobby, some people think select colorschemes are reserved. There are people that jump into new threads and say, "The colorscheme of this set of keycaps is too similar to that of set x, which ran once y years ago, so you cannot make this."

We are talking here about blue and dark grey/black, a common combination all over the world.

We should let people have what they want and vote with their money. If there can be a bunch of cyberpunk keysets, many run at the same time and which all use relatively similar colors, then there can be more than one blue and dark grey keyset.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #170 on: Thu, 07 January 2021, 15:37:50 »
I know there's a pretty long earlier thread on Arch's original icon and colors, but just wanted to double-check.  Is it a foregone conclusion that the original Arch blue won't be in the set, not even as part of an add-on kit?
No, if you want to get as close to the arch blue in a set, you'd have to get GMK Umbra, because my set would too close to it if I used it.

The reason this set uses a different color than the original Arch blue is because some other set previously used a similar colorscheme? This does not make much sense. This design is obviously not a copy of GMK Umbra, but instead inspired by something completely different; that something of course being Arch Linux, where there is an obvious choice for the colorscheme. Any Linux user knows, at least roughly, what "Arch blue" looks like.

I do not understand why, in this hobby, some people think select colorschemes are reserved. There are people that jump into new threads and say, "The colorscheme of this set of keycaps is too similar to that of set x, which ran once y years ago, so you cannot make this."

We are talking here about blue and dark grey/black, a common combination all over the world.

We should let people have what they want and vote with their money. If there can be a bunch of cyberpunk keysets, many run at the same time and which all use relatively similar colors, then there can be more than one blue and dark grey keyset.

This is a valid belief, but first personally, I don't feel it's right to be selling a near identical set for profit. When you said that the community should vote with their money, they do, and almost always its against too similar colorways. As much as I'd want to use the true Arch colors, my personal morals and the ethics of our community don't support it. By the way, there are no cyberpunk  keysets, all of the ones that were put up were trolls haha

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #171 on: Thu, 07 January 2021, 19:21:50 »
I know there's a pretty long earlier thread on Arch's original icon and colors, but just wanted to double-check.  Is it a foregone conclusion that the original Arch blue won't be in the set, not even as part of an add-on kit?
No, if you want to get as close to the arch blue in a set, you'd have to get GMK Umbra, because my set would too close to it if I used it.

The reason this set uses a different color than the original Arch blue is because some other set previously used a similar colorscheme? This does not make much sense. This design is obviously not a copy of GMK Umbra, but instead inspired by something completely different; that something of course being Arch Linux, where there is an obvious choice for the colorscheme. Any Linux user knows, at least roughly, what "Arch blue" looks like.

I do not understand why, in this hobby, some people think select colorschemes are reserved. There are people that jump into new threads and say, "The colorscheme of this set of keycaps is too similar to that of set x, which ran once y years ago, so you cannot make this."

We are talking here about blue and dark grey/black, a common combination all over the world.

We should let people have what they want and vote with their money. If there can be a bunch of cyberpunk keysets, many run at the same time and which all use relatively similar colors, then there can be more than one blue and dark grey keyset.
I agree, the community is too protective of colorsets.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #172 on: Fri, 08 January 2021, 10:29:07 »
I know there's a pretty long earlier thread on Arch's original icon and colors, but just wanted to double-check.  Is it a foregone conclusion that the original Arch blue won't be in the set, not even as part of an add-on kit?
No, if you want to get as close to the arch blue in a set, you'd have to get GMK Umbra, because my set would too close to it if I used it.

The reason this set uses a different color than the original Arch blue is because some other set previously used a similar colorscheme? This does not make much sense. This design is obviously not a copy of GMK Umbra, but instead inspired by something completely different; that something of course being Arch Linux, where there is an obvious choice for the colorscheme. Any Linux user knows, at least roughly, what "Arch blue" looks like.

I do not understand why, in this hobby, some people think select colorschemes are reserved. There are people that jump into new threads and say, "The colorscheme of this set of keycaps is too similar to that of set x, which ran once y years ago, so you cannot make this."

We are talking here about blue and dark grey/black, a common combination all over the world.

We should let people have what they want and vote with their money. If there can be a bunch of cyberpunk keysets, many run at the same time and which all use relatively similar colors, then there can be more than one blue and dark grey keyset.

I think these people are more just being vocal about it, I am guessing the number of people that would actually boycott a set for too similar colors based on some principle would be very few. You'd probably just lose some sales from people that like the color but bought the older set that is similar to the new one being run.

There is a lot of gate keeping in this hobby.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #173 on: Fri, 08 January 2021, 12:47:44 »
(Posting the same update I put on the discord)
Kitting overhaul is likely, and will be confirmed once I have quotes for current kitting,
any major changes to lower cost(if it ends up being needed) will be left up to a poll of Kit Ver 1 vs Kit Ver 2, with a "price tag" for each to show the difference in overall value. For new kits, 40s and NorDeUK will happen based on the IC form responses, Ortho/Ergo is a hard maybe and if I do add it they'll be one kit. Numpad kit is possible if costs do need to be cut down for shell, along with moving all 40s compat and iso compat to respective kits(this is what the poll will decide). I'll keep you guys updated on this.
Btw If you wanna be able to vote on any of hte polls I put up or be up to date on any small updates, join the discord, will make mnaging things way easier on my end

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #174 on: Fri, 08 January 2021, 16:36:11 »
(Posting the same update I put on the discord)
Kitting overhaul is likely, and will be confirmed once I have quotes for current kitting,
any major changes to lower cost(if it ends up being needed) will be left up to a poll of Kit Ver 1 vs Kit Ver 2, with a "price tag" for each to show the difference in overall value. For new kits, 40s and NorDeUK will happen based on the IC form responses, Ortho/Ergo is a hard maybe and if I do add it they'll be one kit. Numpad kit is possible if costs do need to be cut down for shell, along with moving all 40s compat and iso compat to respective kits(this is what the poll will decide). I'll keep you guys updated on this.
Btw If you wanna be able to vote on any of hte polls I put up or be up to date on any small updates, join the discord, will make mnaging things way easier on my end
I recommend this kitting for base kit: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109588.0 with/without a few minor tweaks, like adding that accent 6.25 space bar to base  ;D
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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #175 on: Fri, 08 January 2021, 23:56:16 »
(Posting the same update I put on the discord)
Kitting overhaul is likely, and will be confirmed once I have quotes for current kitting,
any major changes to lower cost(if it ends up being needed) will be left up to a poll of Kit Ver 1 vs Kit Ver 2, with a "price tag" for each to show the difference in overall value. For new kits, 40s and NorDeUK will happen based on the IC form responses, Ortho/Ergo is a hard maybe and if I do add it they'll be one kit. Numpad kit is possible if costs do need to be cut down for shell, along with moving all 40s compat and iso compat to respective kits(this is what the poll will decide). I'll keep you guys updated on this.
Btw If you wanna be able to vote on any of hte polls I put up or be up to date on any small updates, join the discord, will make mnaging things way easier on my end
I recommend this kitting for base kit: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109588.0 with/without a few minor tweaks, like adding that accent 6.25 space bar to base  ;D
Will take a look at it, thanks!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #176 on: Sat, 09 January 2021, 09:00:56 »
(Posting the same update I put on the discord)
Kitting overhaul is likely, and will be confirmed once I have quotes for current kitting,
any major changes to lower cost(if it ends up being needed) will be left up to a poll of Kit Ver 1 vs Kit Ver 2, with a "price tag" for each to show the difference in overall value. For new kits, 40s and NorDeUK will happen based on the IC form responses, Ortho/Ergo is a hard maybe and if I do add it they'll be one kit. Numpad kit is possible if costs do need to be cut down for shell, along with moving all 40s compat and iso compat to respective kits(this is what the poll will decide). I'll keep you guys updated on this.
Btw If you wanna be able to vote on any of hte polls I put up or be up to date on any small updates, join the discord, will make mnaging things way easier on my end
I recommend this kitting for base kit: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109588.0 with/without a few minor tweaks, like adding that accent 6.25 space bar to base  ;D

I agree, Think was one of the better kitted sets.

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #177 on: Sun, 10 January 2021, 22:44:36 »
I'm going to install arch on a 51nb Thinkpad so I can live up to the "I Use Arch BTW" enter key. Thank you for the inspiration.
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« Reply #178 on: Sun, 10 January 2021, 22:48:33 »
I'm going to install arch on a 51nb Thinkpad so I can live up to the "I Use Arch BTW" enter key. Thank you for the inspiration.

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« Reply #179 on: Tue, 12 January 2021, 02:40:54 »
this set is a banger.

know it probably wouldn't happen but a nord style ergo/ortho/40s kit would be killer


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« Reply #180 on: Tue, 12 January 2021, 03:21:56 »
well, this is definitely a must-have set for me lol

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #181 on: Tue, 12 January 2021, 11:58:02 »
this set is a banger.

know it probably wouldn't happen but a nord style ergo/ortho/40s kit would be killer

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A combo of all 3? I was most likely going to do just a 40s and a ortho/combo but I can definitely do this.

Edit: ignore every comma I type I have an issue w overusing them in the worst places
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« Reply #182 on: Tue, 12 January 2021, 12:46:39 »
this set is a banger.

know it probably wouldn't happen but a nord style ergo/ortho/40s kit would be killer

Show Image

A combo of all 3? I was most likely going to do just a 40s, and a ortho/combo, but I can definitely do this.

oh baby yes please

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« Reply #183 on: Wed, 13 January 2021, 09:49:45 »
I love the dark sets with subtle color accents :)

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« Reply #184 on: Wed, 13 January 2021, 10:42:38 »
this set is a banger.

know it probably wouldn't happen but a nord style ergo/ortho/40s kit would be killer

Show Image

A combo of all 3? I was most likely going to do just a 40s and a ortho/combo but I can definitely do this.

YES. I repeat. YES.

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« Reply #185 on: Wed, 13 January 2021, 11:04:02 »
also want a RAMA Arch artisan  ;)

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #186 on: Wed, 13 January 2021, 11:22:23 »
this set is a banger.

know it probably wouldn't happen but a nord style ergo/ortho/40s kit would be killer

Show Image

A combo of all 3? I was most likely going to do just a 40s and a ortho/combo but I can definitely do this.

YES. I repeat. YES.
I would be in instantly if we got an assembly kit

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #187 on: Wed, 13 January 2021, 13:20:31 »
small update, the Accentlegend/mod color ral is now 260 20 05 instead of 260 20 10, it's a less bluish shade and more true to the renders.

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« Reply #188 on: Wed, 13 January 2021, 16:35:40 »
as an arch user I told myself this was not going to just spread my wallets legs but It has been spread. The more I look at this set more I like it. It's those Alpha's I love so much. Sudo  and that enter key. I use arch btw.

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« Reply #189 on: Thu, 14 January 2021, 10:03:55 »
A nordic / iso option would be amazing. Loving the kit

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #190 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 16:07:52 »
Holy ****, the real logo is in?! <3

I am buying everything. Hell, whatever kits you make I'll buy two of each.

I wanted to check on this actually, and see if you have permission to be using the Arch logo? According to their trademark policy it can't be used if there is commercial intent, or for merchandising purposes, e.g. on t-shirts etc.

It would also require "TM" be included on the logo as well - if approved. Just an FYI and something that should be looked into.

Arch Trademark Wiki Page

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« Reply #191 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 16:30:54 »
I wanted to check on this actually, and see if you have permission to be using the Arch logo? According to their trademark policy it can't be used if there is commercial intent, or for merchandising purposes, e.g. on t-shirts etc.

That is covered near the bottom of the OP:

Use of the Arch Logo and Name Approved by the Arch Trademark team
I Understand that This Set Does Look Like GMK Apollo, but I have recieved permission from
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Proof of This can be sent by request

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« Reply #192 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 17:23:07 »
This is so amazing

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #193 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 19:40:56 »
Holy ****, the real logo is in?! <3

I am buying everything. Hell, whatever kits you make I'll buy two of each.

I wanted to check on this actually, and see if you have permission to be using the Arch logo? According to their trademark policy it can't be used if there is commercial intent, or for merchandising purposes, e.g. on t-shirts etc.

It would also require "TM" be included on the logo as well - if approved. Just an FYI and something that should be looked into.

Arch Trademark Wiki Page
Like poloman said I got explicit permission from them to run the set with the logo but they never mentioned that I would have to add the tm to the novs, I'll email them again to make sure

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #194 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 19:49:27 »
Holy ****, the real logo is in?! <3

I am buying everything. Hell, whatever kits you make I'll buy two of each.

I wanted to check on this actually, and see if you have permission to be using the Arch logo? According to their trademark policy it can't be used if there is commercial intent, or for merchandising purposes, e.g. on t-shirts etc.

It would also require "TM" be included on the logo as well - if approved. Just an FYI and something that should be looked into.

Arch Trademark Wiki Page
Like poloman said I got explicit permission from them to run the set with the logo but they never mentioned that I would have to add the tm to the novs, I'll email them again to make sure

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Ah, very good! I read over the thread but must have missed that.   :-X

I believe as long as you got approval then it should be fine, I was simply going off of what the Wiki was stating! Seems like you have it all covered and did your homework, I'll send you a DM just to make sure we get any information needed so there are no surprises or delays regarding this from our end down the line and go ahead and let the team know that this logo should be fine for production.

Great efforts and design :thumb:
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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #195 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 19:54:23 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #196 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 20:24:17 »
Holy ****, the real logo is in?! <3

I am buying everything. Hell, whatever kits you make I'll buy two of each.

I wanted to check on this actually, and see if you have permission to be using the Arch logo? According to their trademark policy it can't be used if there is commercial intent, or for merchandising purposes, e.g. on t-shirts etc.

It would also require "TM" be included on the logo as well - if approved. Just an FYI and something that should be looked into.

Arch Trademark Wiki Page
Like poloman said I got explicit permission from them to run the set with the logo but they never mentioned that I would have to add the tm to the novs, I'll email them again to make sure

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Ah, very good! I read over the thread but must have missed that.   :-X

I believe as long as you got approval then it should be fine, I was simply going off of what the Wiki was stating! Seems like you have it all covered and did your homework, I'll send you a DM just to make sure we get any information needed so there are no surprises or delays regarding this from our end down the line and go ahead and let the team know that this logo should be fine for production.

Great efforts and design :thumb:

Thanks again!

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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #197 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 20:26:41 »
I have all the information needed for logo use on the GMK side - this won't be a problem to manufacture. Giving this set a huge thumbs up on my end  :thumb:

To fit the theme you should make a keyboard that requires the firmware to be programmed before each use   :p
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Re: [IC] GMK Arch | Collaborations and 2nd Deskmat Announced!
« Reply #198 on: Tue, 19 January 2021, 20:40:00 »
I have all the information needed for logo use on the GMK side - this won't be a problem to manufacture. Giving this set a huge thumbs up on my end  :thumb:

To fit the theme you should make a keyboard that requires the firmware to be programmed before each use   :p
Ofc Ofc, also forgot to ask, I'm pretty sure the cuts in the arch logo would need to be removed(I swapped the arch logo from a simplified one to the real one a few days after sending the original kits for quotes) do you know yourself if they need to be or not? I'll dm you the svg if you need it.